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[1:23] <olf-folks> is there a place to talk about the rpi in general?
[1:24] <gnarface> olf-folks: you mean the hardware itself, irrespective of the software running on it?
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[1:25] <olf-folks> gnarface: i was reading here http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[1:26] <olf-folks> i want to compile 3.12
[1:26] <gnarface> hmmm
[1:26] <gnarface> well this channel is for raspbian specifically
[1:27] <gnarface> #raspberrypi is the other channel
[1:27] <gnarface> topic isn't heavily enforced here like say in #debian though
[1:27] <gnarface> you won't get banned or silenced for mistakenly bringing up something taboo
[1:28] <gnarface> its likely though that most people will only be able to help you with the specifics of building kernels on raspbian
[1:28] <gnarface> i can't tell you what luck you'll have in #raspberrypi (maybe better, maybe worse)
[1:29] <olf-folks> ahh okay well, ill put my question out there, has anyone tryied to compile linux kernel 3.12 on the rpi?
[1:29] <gnarface> good question
[1:29] <gnarface> not me though
[1:29] <gnarface> plugwash?
[1:29] <gnarface> shiftplusone?
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[1:29] <gnarface> hifi?
[1:30] <gnarface> olf-folks: have YOU tried?
[1:31] * plugwash has built a 3.12 kernel for the pi but not on the Pi
[1:31] <olf-folks> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation dose not say where one would get the source
[1:32] <gnarface> i'd assume you get it from kernel.org
[1:32] * plugwash wonders where gnarface got that idea
[1:32] <olf-folks> for the pi/on the pi
[1:32] <gnarface> well, or here ... https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[1:32] <gnarface> but that doesn't seem to go up to 3.12
[1:32] <gnarface> so...
[1:33] <gnarface> where else if not kernel.org
[1:33] <plugwash> you get the raspberry pi kernel source from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[1:33] <gnarface> its marked 3.10 :(
[1:33] * gnarface got that idea from deductive logic
[1:33] <plugwash> gnarface, 3.10 is the default branch but there are also other branches in that git repo
[1:34] <gnarface> oh
[1:35] <gnarface> plugwash: this is likely olf-folks's confusion as well. we're not all super familiar with github or git so we often make mistakes due to its utterly horrendous user interface
[1:35] <olf-folks> i am looking around the trees
[1:36] <olf-folks> but, im not seeing anything about 3.12
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[1:36] <gnarface> olf-folks: if plugwash insists its there, i'm sure its in there somewhere. it'd try my patience to find it too though
[1:36] <olf-folks> okay ill keep looking
[1:39] <plugwash> pop down the branch box and you should see a branch called rpi-3.12.y
[1:40] <olf-folks> huh, okay thanks plugwash
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[1:48] <neredsenvy> I installed my Raspbian with this https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[1:48] <gnarface> neredsenvy: hooraaay!
[1:49] <neredsenvy> However seems that this completely excludes everything GUI related so I keep getting Xsession error when trying RDP
[1:49] <neredsenvy> I called apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment gdm3 x-window-system-core desktop-base
[1:50] <gnarface> neredsenvy: yea its a minimal install, luckily installing what you are missing is fairly trivial if you have the right commands
[1:50] <neredsenvy> gnarface: Which are what ?
[1:50] <gnarface> neredsenvy: well, that looks correct at first glance, however, there are two things you need to check first
[1:51] <gnarface> neredsenvy: three, actually, but only two if you've verified your network connection is still working
[1:51] <gnarface> neredsenvy: the first thing to check is that the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list are right (pastebin them and i'll look to see if they look right to me)
[1:51] <neredsenvy> Got internet connectivity
[1:51] <gnarface> neredsenvy: the second thing is to make sure you ran "apt-get update" before you tried to apt-get install anything
[1:52] <gnarface> neredsenvy: (many people prefer aptitude to apt-get for the reason of this amongst other things, but aptitude is REALLY slow on the pi)
[1:52] <neredsenvy> I ran apt-get update --fix-missing
[1:52] <neredsenvy> My sources.list https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9efc3e05841b563da049
[1:53] <gnarface> neredsenvy: not sure about the --fix-missing part ... shouldn't be necessary on wheezy honestly unless you've broken something badly already, but possibly what wasn't mentioned was that before trying to install anything your first step after installation probably should have been: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" to bring everything already there up-to-date
[1:54] * plugwash wouldn't expect gnome3 to be very usable on the Pi
[1:54] <gnarface> plugwash: i was gonna get basic knowledge down before i went into propaganda
[1:54] <neredsenvy> gnarface: I have done that
[1:55] <gnarface> this sources.list seems suspect to me... plugwash doesn't that look like its missing something?
[1:55] * gnarface would have thought hifi's installer puts a working sources.list in place
[1:56] * plugwash would think that sources.list would work
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[1:56] * plugwash reads through gnarface's exchange with neredsenvy but can't actually see anywhere where neredsenvy says what the problem is
[1:57] <gnarface> neredsenvy: alright, plugwash has a point. you called apt-get install gnome-desktop...blah blah blah but didn't paste what it output instead of the installation success message you were expecting
[1:58] <gnarface> neredsenvy: do that, while i boot my pi so i can pastebin MY sources.list
[1:58] <neredsenvy> Problem is with this command: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment gdm3 x-window-system-core desktop-base
[1:58] <neredsenvy> I get this
[1:59] <neredsenvy> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/46e2071dab9fcb51aa56
[1:59] <neredsenvy> That
[2:00] <gnarface> neredsenvy: this suggests a basic dns problem. probably an issue with your /etc/resolv.conf or whatever it refers to as a DNS server
[2:00] <neredsenvy> When I first ran this command I got a message saying 638MB/17xxMB have been downloaded but that those packages are missing or 404 and the operation stopped
[2:01] <neredsenvy> However I had no problems installing sudo/nano and few other programs
[2:01] <neredsenvy> and bluez / bluetooth
[2:01] <gnarface> luck maybe?
[2:01] <plugwash> gnarface, I don't see any suggestion of a dns problem in what he posted
[2:01] <gnarface> maybe the ip just changed
[2:01] <gnarface> plugwash: i do, because it 404's on mirrordirector.raspbian.org and gives an IP that is not the same ip as i get
[2:01] <neredsenvy> IP is still same everything works internet wise
[2:02] <gnarface> plugwash: how is that not a dns issue?
[2:02] <gnarface> plugwash: if you know something specific about the mirrordirector giving out bad ip addresses, maybe now is the time to speak up
[2:03] <plugwash> hmm, /me wonders what IP apt is reporting
[2:03] <gnarface> neredsenvy: its theoretically possible that mirrordirector is referring to a mirror that is down or unroutable from your location too, but i omitted that possiblity to be polite to plugwash
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[2:04] <neredsenvy> So whats my alternative here
[2:04] <plugwash> neredsenvy, try replacing mirrordirector.raspbian.org with archive.raspbian.org in your sources.list
[2:04] <plugwash> and then run apt-get update
[2:05] <plugwash> and then try your install again
[2:05] <gnarface> plugwash: i actually have both in there... is that not correct?
[2:05] <plugwash> well it won't break anything but it will waste bandwidth on apt-get update for no real gain
[2:06] <gnarface> that's news to me, i thought they served different purposes
[2:07] <gnarface> neredsenvy: this is my sources.list fyi: http://paste.debian.net/76301/
[2:07] <gnarface> neredsenvy: for whatever its worth at least... i'm sure the apt-src line isn't required but plugwash's news that mirrordirector is also not required is also news to me
[2:08] <gnarface> neredsenvy: *i* however get this ip for mirrordirector: 5.153.225.207
[2:08] <gnarface> neredsenvy: the problem could be a routing issue at your ISP
[2:08] <neredsenvy> I added the archive.r and now run apt-get update after it's done ill re run the install desktop stuff xD
[2:08] <gnarface> neredsenvy: (or a problem with that specific mirror)
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[2:08] <neredsenvy> So far so good
[2:09] <gnarface> plugwash: so am i correct in understanding that mirrordirector just gives an identical mirror to archive.raspberrypi.org, just theoretically "local" to the requester, or is it simply completely obsolete and vestigial now?
[2:10] <neredsenvy> Ok no errors now hoping entire installation goes smooth don't have a USB Keyboard/Mouse here yet to RDP is crucial : P
[2:10] <plugwash> mirrordirector.raspbian.org and archive.raspbian.org both point at the main raspbian server but handle request differently
[2:11] <plugwash> archive.raspbian.org serves everything directly
[2:11] <plugwash> mirrordirector.raspbian.org serves metadata (the dists directory) directly but redirects the downloads of actual packages to mirrors
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[2:12] <gnarface> so the point in having them both is to waste bandwidth during apt-get update for the gamble of reducing latency during apt-get install/upgrades?
[2:12] <plugwash> having both isn't going to achive much because apt will always use the first source that has the package/version it wants
[2:12] <plugwash> so whichever one is later in your sources.list will just serve to waste bandwidth during apt-get update
[2:13] <gnarface> so why was it failing for neredsenvy ?
[2:14] <plugwash> i'm still looking into that
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[2:14] <gnarface> furthermore, why did you tell me to construct my sources.list like this, a year ago?
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[2:14] <gnarface> what changed?
[2:14] <neredsenvy> It's past where it failed the first time.
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[2:14] * plugwash doesn't recall ever telling anyone to put both archive.raspbian.org and mirrordirector.raspbian.org in their source.list
[2:14] * gnarface didn't pull this one out of his ass
[2:15] <gnarface> so they're now *completely* redundant, that's what you're saying, plugwash ?
[2:16] <plugwash> right, you should have one or the other but not both (assuming the rest of the source line is the same)
[2:16] <gnarface> interesting
[2:16] * olf-folks would love to have .img with 3.12 kernel
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[2:20] <gnarface> hmmmmm
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[2:20] <gnarface> this MAY be telling... i still get what appears to be a valid working ip from mirrordirector when using my private DNS server, but when using my ISP-provided wifi hub's built-in DNS service (ATT) i get 404 as well
[2:20] <gnarface> plugwash: ^^^^
[2:21] <neredsenvy> Good god this GUI stuff is taking ages to install
[2:21] <gnarface> neredsenvy: lol sorry, forgot to mention you should also bulk up on patience
[2:22] <plugwash> gnarface, the problem seems to be related to the particular mirror he was being sent to
[2:22] <neredsenvy> Well if I survived the 10min bluetooth install guess i can pull 1 day to install this as well xD
[2:22] <gnarface> neredsenvy: it'll probably not take a whole day. it'll probably only take like 19 hours
[2:23] <gnarface> neredsenvy: you can improve times by using an external harddrive but you'll still be limited to USB-bus speeds
[2:23] <neredsenvy> Nah it's 1.7gb to download it should be 10min on my 300Mbps
[2:23] <neredsenvy> but oh god i forgot
[2:23] <neredsenvy> SD card
[2:23] <neredsenvy> nooo
[2:23] <gnarface> yea
[2:23] <neredsenvy> 1.5MB/s
[2:23] <neredsenvy> noooo
[2:23] <gnarface> so the average SD card has 10MB/s max burstable, average maybe 3-6
[2:24] <gnarface> compared to the typical spinning-platter harddrive at 50
[2:24] <gnarface> and keep in mind the pi doesn't have a PCI bus,
[2:24] <plugwash> and now i'm getting network unreachable errors while trying to inspect stuff related to the mirror in question
[2:24] <gnarface> so even connecting a real 50MB/s harddrive as an external USB device, you're only gonna at best double or triple your SD card's throughput
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[2:26] <neredsenvy> Mah it will be about 30 min at an avg 1MB/s
[2:26] <neredsenvy> some 19-23 at 1.5MBs
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[2:27] <gnarface> don't forget extracting and setup time
[2:27] <gnarface> budget 45-60 minutes
[2:28] <gnarface> +/- depending on whether you are downloading more packages than you have free ram available (because the on-chip 512MB of ram is much faster than any connected USB or Flash SD
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[2:28] <gnarface> )
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[2:33] <neredsenvy> Man they are so cheap for 30$ they could have added more RAM
[2:33] <neredsenvy> I'm not saying a lot more but common they could have at least went some 16GB
[2:34] <gnarface> no, they couldn't have
[2:34] <gnarface> they could have gone to 4
[2:35] <gnarface> its only a 32-bit chip, remember?
[2:35] <neredsenvy> I know I was being sarcastic
[2:35] <neredsenvy> : P
[2:35] <gnarface> i'm with you but i don't think it would have been money spent well
[2:35] <gnarface> i think the money would have been spent better open sourcing it
[2:36] <gnarface> the physical hardware
[2:36] <gnarface> i see the pi's limiting factor to its immense popularity (now evident after-the fact) simply as that they wouldn't let go of the IP surrounding the core black box elements
[2:37] <gnarface> that's now its primary limiting factor
[2:37] <gnarface> and would have, if not present, allowed for memory expansion models
[2:38] <gnarface> and it would have made it easier to get hardware acceleration support for X11, etc etc...
[2:39] <neredsenvy> One thing tho that I would have liked is more GPIO pins
[2:39] <gnarface> i'd just like to know what to do with them
[2:40] <gnarface> i mean, i've seen ideas other people have come up with, but i seem to be lacking the basic knowledge and documentation on how to come up with my own stuff
[2:40] <neredsenvy> Like with STM32F You get 100 pins xD
[2:40] <gnarface> 100 pins? and its still "GPIO" ?
[2:40] <gnarface> mind-boggling
[2:40] * gnarface doesn't know shit about GPIO but is fascinated nonetheless
[2:41] <neredsenvy> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF250863 it's really nothing compared to RPi in everything else
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[2:42] <plugwash> what usually happens on these big chips is that most of the pins can be programmed as either GPIO or one of several special functions
[2:42] <neredsenvy> Yup
[2:42] <neredsenvy> This STM32F Is really for students nothing impressive
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[2:42] <neredsenvy> But it's very cheap so there is that
[2:43] <neredsenvy> they are like 13$ and when you order in bulk they come down to 3$
[2:43] <plugwash> With modern processes multiplexers and perhiperal logic are cheap, pins and their drivers are relatively expensive
[2:43] <plugwash> so it makes sense to mux loads of different functionaity onto the pins
[2:43] <neredsenvy> A lot of people use them for things like RC helicopters/quadcopters etc
[2:46] <neredsenvy> You get like 8 USART pins well 4x RX/TX, 4 5V, 4 3.3V and 8 GND
[2:46] <plugwash> gnarface, neredsenvy i've pulled the umu mirrors out of the mirror redirection system for now
[2:47] <plugwash> I need to get in touch with them to work out where we go from here
[2:47] <gnarface> plugwash: think they got hacked?
[2:48] <plugwash> no, the problem is that ftp.acc.umu.se is actually several mirrors
[2:49] <gnarface> ah
[2:49] <gnarface> mirrordirector hits another mirror director and breaks?
[2:49] * gnarface still getting a good ip from it though
[2:50] <plugwash> note: doing a dns lookup on mirrordirector.raspbian.org will always give the main server because we use http redirects, not dns to direct people to mirrors
[2:51] <plugwash> The mirrordirector scans mirrors to see what the list of files on them are, for this to work properly each mirror entry in the db needs to represent one mirror
[2:51] <plugwash> when setting up the umu mirrors I discovered that there were several of them and added them individually to the mirror redirection system
[2:52] <plugwash> however it looks like they removed some mirrors from the pool and set up redirects breaking things
[2:52] <plugwash> I can grab the new list of mirrors from dns and set them up again but doing that without talking to them first is just inviting this problem to happen again down the road
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[3:10] <plugwash> * gnarface still getting a good ip from it though <-- asside from the aforementioned fact that the mirror redirection system is http redirect based not dns based it is by it's very nature geographically dependent
[3:11] <gnarface> plugwash: sorry, did you expect a response to that?
[3:11] <gnarface> plugwash: yes, its true i didn't realize the redirect was http-based only (didn't test it with a browser because that seemed absurd from my 17 fucking years in web development)
[3:12] <gnarface> plugwash: but yes, i get a valid ip with "ping" and in addition i just ran an apt-get update so the http redirect still works for me
[3:12] <gnarface> plugwash: but all that confirms is that i still can't recreate neredsenvy's problem
[3:13] <gnarface> plugwash: have you been speaking to themill/abrotman or something?
[3:13] <plugwash> as I said earlier metadata is not redirected so you have to actually install something before you get redirected
[3:13] <plugwash> but in any case being in the usa you are highly unlikely to get directed to a mirror in sweeden
[3:14] <gnarface> plugwash: well for whatever its worth as i'm NOT in "sweeden" i did right after that apt-get update install "build-dep vlc" and still can't recreate his problem
[3:15] <gnarface> plugwash: so i think your analysis that the problem is with the specific mirror that mirrordirector is giving neredsenvy is accurate
[3:15] <gnarface> plugwash: no 404s here
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[3:16] <neredsenvy> I'm still going strong
[3:16] <neredsenvy> Almost done xD
[3:16] <neredsenvy> 1h so far
[3:16] <plugwash> which pretty quickly revealed which group of mirrors it was, I then started poking at said mirrors with a web browser and a copy of rsync
[3:17] <gnarface> i think they should all be punished
[3:17] <plugwash> It's partly my fault, I should have spoken to them when I discovered it was a group of mirrors
[3:18] <plugwash> rather than quietly adding the mirrors in the group seperately
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[4:02] <neredsenvy> Finally
[4:02] <neredsenvy> dear god
[4:02] <neredsenvy> 1h 30min
[4:02] <neredsenvy> to install everything UI related
[4:09] <neredsenvy> Odd I get no errors but RDP still does not work.
[4:09] <neredsenvy> I mean I no longer get the Xsession missing error
[4:10] <neredsenvy> however when I use Remote Desktop to connect to my RPi all I get is this grid
[4:11] <neredsenvy> Oh wait it works
[4:11] <neredsenvy> hurray
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[4:52] <hifi> gnarface: the sources.list is intentionally minimal
[4:52] <kingi> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/14/court-strikes-down-fccs-net-neutrality-rule/
[4:52] <hifi> it's again up to the user to make sure it has everything non-main
[4:53] <hifi> and neredsenvy, that's why people use the pre-built images, it doesn't take that long to install anything
[4:53] <hifi> (well, GUI stuff because someone already waited)
[4:53] <hifi> but it's interesting to know someone actually did a clean install from raspbian-ua-netinst, thanks for the info :)
[4:53] <hifi> and installed gnome
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[7:08] <stareye> good morning i have a quiestion i want to use raspberry pi aso remote clienet for windows
[7:08] <stareye> is the sound working with rdesktop
[7:09] <stareye> and its enough speed
[7:09] <stareye> ?
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[7:29] <kingi> it's lightspeed
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[7:44] <thyphus> the speed is to fast for a human ear
[7:44] <thyphus> sound speed
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[7:53] <stareye> no seriosly its enogh speed for remte desktop?
[7:54] <shiftplusone> subjective call
[7:56] <stareye> i am usung 800MHz for remote desktop mini itx pc and its working thats enogh but would make raspeberry it take less power
[7:57] <stareye> its only 5 Watt
[7:57] <stareye> and my mini pc its pretty noisy
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[8:25] <dexta> morning
[8:25] <SirLagz> afternoon
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[9:01] <zGrr> moin :)
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[9:51] <Whir> hi, when I do modprobe ipv6 I get
[9:51] <Whir> libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.6.11+/modules.dep.bin'
[9:51] <Whir> what does that mean ?
[9:53] <shiftplusone> did you compile ther kernel yourself?
[9:54] <Whir> nopes
[9:54] <shiftplusone> what's the output of uname -a ?
[9:55] <Whir> Linux rasp 3.6.11+ #538 PREEMPT Fri Aug 30 20:42:08 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[9:55] <dexta> all sys info
[9:56] <shiftplusone> no idea how you're running 3.6.11 without having compiled it yourself. Used rpi-update to get it or something?
[9:56] <Whir> ummh..I did a normal apt-get updata, apt-get upgrade 2 days ago
[9:57] <Whir> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jan 13 12:46 3.10.25+
[9:57] <Whir> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jan 15 10:58 3.6.11+
[9:57] <Whir> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 21 2013 3.6-trunk-rpi
[9:57] <Whir> that is in /lib/modules
[9:57] <shiftplusone> well... the answer to your question is that you're running a 3.6.11 kernel and you don't have the modules
[9:57] <shiftplusone> how you managed that.... I have no idea.
[9:58] <Whir> hrhr... :/
[9:58] <shiftplusone> I am checking if the kernel has been updated
[9:58] <Whir> thx!
[9:59] <shiftplusone> 3.10.25 is what's in the repo
[10:00] <shiftplusone> anyone else use your pi?
[10:00] <Whir> yeah..and I have 3.6.11 running
[10:00] <Whir> I think I got a kernel update and did not knew it, I reboot now
[10:00] <Whir> nooo, I hope not ;)
[10:01] <shiftplusone> are you running 3.6.11 on purpose?
[10:01] <Whir> as I said, it must have come with the standard update
[10:01] <shiftplusone> it couldn't
[10:01] <Whir> how do you know ?
[10:01] <Whir> now I run 3.10.25
[10:01] <Whir> after the reboot
[10:02] <Whir> verything is fine now
[10:02] <shiftplusone> because 3.11 has never been pushed to the repos
[10:02] <Whir> Linux rasp 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Fri Jan 3 18:41:00 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[10:02] <Whir> 3.6 !!
[10:02] <Whir> I got 3.6
[10:02] <Whir> an old one
[10:02] <Whir> now I have 3.10
[10:02] <shiftplusone> .....
[10:02] * shiftplusone derps
[10:02] <shiftplusone> yeah.... that's that cleared up then
[10:02] <Whir> indeed :>
[10:02] <Whir> thx anyway !
[10:04] <shiftplusone> yeah, np. I'll work on my comprehension skills. =P
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[10:18] <Whir> and I work on my 'reboot more often' skills :]
[10:25] <hid3> What's the latest kernel release?
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[10:30] <koawe> Is it normal behaviour that the login shell (not ssh) does not appear when anything goes wrong with the network connection on startup? this is weird isnt it?
[10:31] <koawe> I had the problem that openvpn stopped the system from finishing startup because it asked for user/password
[10:31] <shiftplusone> koawe, did you use the netinstall or the image?
[10:31] <koawe> netinstall
[10:32] <shiftplusone> hifi's installed install openntpd instead of ntp. if it doesn't connect and set the time, it just stays there
[10:33] <koawe> ok
[10:33] <shiftplusone> *installer
[10:34] <koawe> so I can try to uninstall openntpd and install ntp?
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[10:34] <shiftplusone> if you install ntp, it will automatically remove openntpd
[10:35] <koawe> ok thx
[10:35] <koawe> and its not unusual that services can "stop" the bootup process? because I think I never had such problems with my debian on my pc
[10:39] <shiftplusone> it's certainly not normal
[10:41] <koawe> is it better to not use netinstall? maybe I should consider to reinstall
[10:43] <shiftplusone> the netinstall is great
[10:44] <shiftplusone> why reinstall?
[10:45] <koawe> just thought maybe there's something broken which causes services to interrupt the startup
[10:46] <shiftplusone> nuh
[10:46] <koawe> on my installation
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[10:46] <koawe> if there is no network on startup it takes a lot of time waiting for dhcp answers and pinging around
[10:47] <shiftplusone> yeah, I use wicd instead.
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[10:50] <koawe> thanks for the tip with ntp, works good now
[10:53] <shiftplusone> np
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[11:11] <hifi> shiftplusone: should I change to 'ntp'?
[11:11] <hifi> it's what raspbian has installed by default, right?
[11:12] <shiftplusone> hifi, yeah, the foundation image comes with NTP instead.
[11:13] <hifi> in the end if it works better I see no reason to stick with openntpd in the default install
[11:13] <hifi> also easy to test by swapping openntpd in the default package set to ntp
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[11:15] <shiftplusone> The good thing about the installer is that it's easy to modify. I've changed it to install NTP by default already.
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[11:18] <hifi> just swapping the package from openntpd to ntp is enough and everything works?
[11:19] <hifi> also did you use the "official" way to modify the packages? ;)
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[11:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, just swapping them is enough. I tried the official way, but had a hiccup in the install. Couldn't be bothered figuring out what went wrong and just changed the init script directly.
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[11:36] <hifi> ah
[11:36] <hifi> will change it later today and give it a quick test
[11:37] <hifi> didn't have any good arguments against openntpd before this :p
[11:38] <shiftplusone> awesome =)
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[13:25] <hid3> shiftplusone: are you available?
[13:25] <shiftplusone> hid3, what's up?
[13:25] <hid3> can I try adding "smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N" to the boot command line? I mean, is this a Raspbian thing or not?
[13:26] <shiftplusone> yeah, you can try. it's a universal thing.
[13:26] <hid3> great. Not sure what it does at all but someone said "it helped"
[13:26] <shiftplusone> I don't remember exactly what it does either
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[13:35] <gregc2> does anyone know of any good wireless usb adapters with antennas that are supported on raspbian?
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[13:47] <ppq> gregc2: look for a cheap one that fits your specific needs , then start googling for linux support of that device. http://wireless.kernel.org/ has some lists of supported devices. be aware that different revisions of the same device may have completely different chips. the cheapest one with an antenna and documented linux support (at least for my country) is the "tp-link tl-wn722n" which has an AR9271 chip supported by the ath9k_htc driver. it costs about 10
[13:47] <ppq> €
[13:47] <ppq> damn, off by one character :)
[13:50] <ppq> http://wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN722N
[13:52] <SirLagz> gregc2: generic RT5370 off ebay
[13:52] <SirLagz> gregc2: I have lots of those, work well.
[13:52] <SirLagz> though leaving them on 24/7 will eventually kill htem
[13:54] <zGrr> SirLagz: does the generic RT5370 works in master mode (WiFi AP)?
[13:54] <SirLagz> zGrr: yep
[13:54] <SirLagz> zGrr: had one of my RT5370s working as my main WiFi AP for quite a while :D
[13:54] <gregc2> hmmm
[13:54] <SirLagz> stuck a 10db omni antenna on it and it could reach a good 50 meters down the road haha
[13:55] <SirLagz> 10db ? 6db? don't remember
[13:55] <zGrr> I currently have WN722N. It was working for three weeks during my holiday as an AP without problem. Unfortunately FreeBSD does not support it.
[13:56] <SirLagz> my RaspAP as I called it lasted quite a few months
[13:56] <SirLagz> until the RT5370 died
[13:56] <SirLagz> only thing it couldn't handle was lots of torrents
[13:59] <zGrr> What was it doing? Deep packet inspection? :)
[14:00] <SirLagz> no, just routing
[14:00] <SirLagz> I think it couldn't handle the massive amounts of connections I threw at it
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[17:38] <kingi> i cant remember, did rpi model b have some connector for an external hd
[17:38] <kingi> what about the power?
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[17:40] <gordonDrogon> kingi, only USB.
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[18:19] <hifi> shiftplusone: committed the change
[18:20] <shiftplusone> awesome
[18:21] <hifi> gave it a quick test before uploading new installers
[18:21] <hifi> the default ntpd options do have the force set on launch so it removed some lines from the install script :p
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[18:33] <Mindkontrol> hello every1
[18:33] <Mindkontrol> I am looking for help using SSH through a VPN connection
[18:34] <marko___> and then?
[18:34] <marko___> shoot
[18:35] <Mindkontrol> Well, I have a pi setup headless, and have gotten openvpn setup to tunnel my traffic
[18:35] <Mindkontrol> however, when i have vpn active, i can no longer ssh into the machine
[18:35] <Mindkontrol> I am only running vpn client, not server
[18:35] <Mindkontrol> I feel as if i must be missing something fairly simple about using ssh thru a vpn concection, but am no expert
[18:36] <Mindkontrol> What i have found on websearch doenst make much sense to me or is not helpful with my setup
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[18:37] <Mindkontrol> one thing i found said to use corkscrew, which i grabd
[18:37] <Mindkontrol> and setup but it has changed nothing
[18:39] <Mindkontrol> corkscrew seems to be for using ssh through and http proxy, but that is not the same as vpn is it?
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[19:52] <Janhouse> Why the fuck rpi-update doesn't install headers?
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[20:09] <DrJones> Hi all, any one ever tried a SierraWireless 330U (Rogers Wireless in Canada) on a Raspberry? Having a lot of problem getting it to connect.
[20:12] <sney> that's one of those cell network wifi dongles?
[20:12] <sney> er, not wifi
[20:13] <sney> 4G or LTE or whatever robbers is offering you
[20:13] <sney> if it's supported in linux it should work just fine under raspbian. make sure you're giving it enough power.
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[20:18] <DrJones> It's LTE
[20:18] <DrJones> "make sure you're giving it enough power" interesting, are there settings to increase the power allowance of a USB port ?
[20:19] <sney> no, it's more that devices with a radio, like your LTE dongle or most wifi adapters, really benefit from a powered usb hub when being used with a raspberry pi
[20:20] <hifi> Janhouse: don't use rpi-update
[20:20] <DrJones> Hmmm interesting. any recommendations of powered USB hub ?
[20:21] <DrJones> Do you know if there is a way in the wvdial config to force it to 3G so it's less power hungry ?
[20:24] <sney> I doubt it'd make much of a difference
[20:24] <DrJones> Think I found it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1735553 AT+ZSNT values.
[20:24] <sney> there's a list of recommended hardware on the elinux.org wiki
[20:24] <DrJones> Thanks.
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[21:39] <MediaGu> Hello There !
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[22:39] <strabc> how to install gnu info documentation of a given package (ex. for gcc) ?
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