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[2:41] <meltingwax> I just installed raspbian + set up wifi, but the WiFi rate is <1kbps when my computer on the same network gets >3MBps. Any idea why this would be?
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[8:39] <dexta> morning
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[10:31] <tty00> hi
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[10:32] <tty00> i'm about to build a deb pkg for tellstick daemon, how hard is it for me to add it to the repo's?
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[11:09] <hid3> Anyone willing to help troubleshooting no video output to TV via HDMI? I get "No video signal" on the TV...
[11:10] <Megaf> hid3, try another cable and another tv
[11:10] <Megaf> you could also try to increase hdmi power
[11:11] <hid3> Unfortunately I haven't got another cable or another TV now. I've tested the same cable but with another TV with the same Pi at my buddy's house - everyhting worked okay 2 days ago...
[11:11] <hid3> and this TV is a brand new one, just unboxed..
[11:12] <hid3> I've tried different power increase values (4, 7, 9) but that didn't help
[11:13] <Megaf> have you tried different hdmi ports?
[11:14] <hid3> yes, sure
[11:14] <hid3> 2 of them only in the TV
[11:14] <hid3> I did this: tvservice -d
[11:14] <hid3> then with edid parser I parsed the output
[11:14] <hid3> here's it: http://pastebin.com/PGPFN3KC
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[11:15] <Megaf> ok, your raspberry pi is off, you plug on end of the hdmi cable on your pi, and another end on your tv. Then you turn your tv on and select that input
[11:16] <Megaf> then you turn your raspberry pi on
[11:16] <Megaf> what happens?
[11:16] <Megaf> does the tv screen blinks or something?
[11:17] <hid3> no, TV says "no video signal" during all of this process (tried it several times). It doesn't blink or do anything else...
[11:18] <humle> hid3 does any of the green LED´s blink or just the red one constant?
[11:18] <hid3> I've also tried rebooting the Pi and while it was powering off, I selected another HDMi source (nothing was connected to it) and once it was almost down on reboot, I selected the "right" HDMI source hoping for an "init" signal or something similar; that didn't help either
[11:19] <humle> Soundt like a corrupt image boot.
[11:19] <hid3> well, I can access the Pi through the newtork
[11:19] <hid3> it boots up, ssh works, etc...
[11:19] <humle> Ok. have you try to force hdmi in /boot/config
[11:19] <hid3> lan and activity leds do blink
[11:20] <hid3> yes
[11:20] <hid3> I've also tried boosting modes: 4, 7, 9
[11:20] <hid3> nothing helped
[11:20] <hid3> tried hdmi safe, also didn't help
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[11:21] <humle> Do you have a secound tv to try on?
[11:21] <humle> Are you rebooting the Pi, or still going for the uptime?
[11:21] <hid3> unfortunately no, but I've tried the same Pi with the same cable on my buddy's TV (larger one) a few days ago and it worked just out of the box
[11:22] <hid3> I'm rebooting, powering it off/on, etc... (BTW, the Pi still hangs up due to unknown reason, that's why I want to connect a display to it)
[11:23] <humle> it sounds a bit like a corrupt image, have you overclocked the pi?
[11:24] <hid3> NO!
[11:24] <humle> else try to take a default config.txt and paste it in
[11:24] <hid3> I've tried changing the GPU memory to 16, 64, 128 - no help either
[11:25] <humle> if of messed around with it to much, it will corrupt something doring the boot.
[11:25] <hid3> with the default config.txt, I only had gpu_mem=16 entry uncommented
[11:25] <hid3> what's "too much"?
[11:25] <humle> Makeing changes alle time and rebooting.
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[11:26] <humle> You had the som sort of same problem last night ?
[11:27] <hid3> Actually this is the first time I'm trying to connect the Pi to a TV and it fails. I've connected it to another TV and it worked
[11:27] <humle> Well the no signal indicates that the pi´s hdmi is not sending any video output.
[11:28] <humle> And it should do it apon boot
[11:28] <humle> IF the settings isn´t messed
[11:29] <hid3> well, strange is that tvservice -d detects the display, it's dimensions, etc...
[11:29] <humle> I´ve seen my RPi going into a sleep mode, after some time, and i had to have a keyboard in it to wake it up.
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[11:30] <humle> But your not seeing the boot oup at all?
[11:31] <hid3> no, nothing at all, not even the "rainbow"
[11:31] <hid3> just no video signal
[11:31] <humle> Have you manualy configured anything in xorg?
[11:31] <hid3> no flickering, no "detecting" no "initialising" signs..
[11:31] <hid3> I havne't touched the xorg at all
[11:31] <hid3> this is stock setup
[11:32] <humle> Then the RPi isn´t sending anything
[11:32] <humle> Did you try the composit video output ?
[11:32] <gnarface> hid3: did you try the hdmi_force_hotplug?
[11:32] <hid3> gnarface: yes, this is enabled right now
[11:33] <hid3> and no, haven't tried composite, since I don't have possibilities to test it
[11:34] <gnarface> nothing?
[11:35] <gnarface> no old tv?
[11:35] <gnarface> no framegrabber card?
[11:35] <gnarface> that's tragic
[11:35] <hid3> sorry, none of them
[11:35] <gnarface> i've noticed hdmi support to be all over the board between foundation kernel/firmware versions
[11:36] <hid3> looks like I need to start looking for an old laptop or so... This is getting unacceptible and impossible to live with (no video, constant hang ups, etc..)
[11:36] <gnarface> sometimes it works mostly, sometimes it breaks completely
[11:36] <gnarface> there's no pattern to when an update will fix it completely or make it worse, so far
[11:36] <gnarface> regressions are frequent and severe
[11:36] <humle> A good naboer to try on there tv ?
[11:36] <gnarface> hid3: i think you should just reinstall and not use a foundation kernel
[11:37] <gnarface> hid3: that will probably fix all of your problems
[11:37] <gnarface> hid3: simply use the packaged raspbian kernels and not run rpi-update ... ever
[11:38] <hid3> I haven't ran it ever, I don';t even have that command in the system
[11:39] <gnarface> yea? what is the output of `uname -a` ?
[11:39] <gnarface> if you're using a foundation image then its the same thing, effectively
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[11:40] <hid3> Linux safira 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Fri Jan 3 18:41:00 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[11:41] <gnarface> hid3: yea, that's too new
[11:41] <gnarface> hid3: and it has the "+" at the end. looks like a foundation kernel. definitely the problem
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[11:45] <hid3> so how do I get the "good" kernel now? Step by step instructions would be appreciated
[11:45] <gnarface> 1) reinstall
[11:45] <gnarface> not with a foundation image
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[11:45] <gnarface> done
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[11:46] <gnarface> foundation images are downloaded from raspberrypi.org
[11:46] <hid3> any options without the reinstall? I've set up some cron scripts, some other system configurationn,etc. If I really choose to reinstall, this would be nothing other than a fresh debian to an old(er) laptop
[11:46] <hid3> I have downloaded the image from raspberrypi.org
[11:46] <gnarface> you probably should have used this: https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[11:47] <hid3> this was my image: http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest
[11:47] <gnarface> yea, those come pre-packaged with the foundation's latest kernel+firmware
[11:47] <gnarface> and as far as i can tell almost no quality control
[11:48] <gnarface> the installer i just linked will install a minimal base system but will not include the foundation's kernel/firmware combo, or any of their other pre-configured add-ons
[11:50] <gnarface> i mean, i know you're really stuck on trying to salvage this one install
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[11:50] <gnarface> but if you'd tried this last week when i suggested it you would probably be happy now
[11:51] <gnarface> granted, i DO use a foundation kernel+firmware
[11:51] <gnarface> but i don't use the latest
[11:51] <gnarface> and i've found two since 2012 that i could get HDMI working properly with
[11:52] <gnarface> the second of which, audio doesn't work until i reboot it
[11:52] <gnarface> plus i had to add the hdmi_force_hotplug=1 flag or whatever it is
[11:53] <gnarface> the foundation's kernels aren't packaged
[11:53] <gnarface> so there's no way to just cleanly remove them
[11:53] <gnarface> you have to know where any conflicting files that might get in the way might be sitting and manually remove them
[11:54] <hid3> OK, sorry, I need to take a break of all this. I've been dealing the whole morning with the HDMI issue, yesterday my Pi hung up again...
[11:54] <gnarface> i'm sorry i don't have a list for you, so i can't give you step-by-step instructions
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[12:00] <gnarface> hid3: i'm pretty sure you've said that so far every time i've tried to get you to try something that actually has the potential to fix your problem. suit yourself.
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[12:41] <ColdKeyboard> Why does XBMC crash if I leave it running over the night? In the morning the image is still there but it doesn't respond to the commands
[12:47] <gnarface> ColdKeyboard: been hearing people complaining that the latest foundation kernel/firmware isn't stable
[12:47] <gnarface> ColdKeyboard: of course there are dozens of other possibilities
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[13:22] <jeet> question: in job interview will i likely be asked to explain details about past projects at school? e.g.. image processing scripts but i can't seem to recall the equations and stuff but i know the concepts used: spline/bicubic interpolation
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[14:50] <Eawo> hey got a problem with my pi then i ssh to it i get this error "unable to resolve host dhcppc5"
[14:51] <Eawo> i tried to make a folder "sudo mkdir /media/NAS"
[14:51] <shiftplusone> sounds like a DNS problem, not a pi problem
[14:51] <Eawo> should i restart router?
[14:51] <shiftplusone> I don't see what that will do
[14:52] <Eawo> ok well im not that good at linux and router stuff what is a DNS problem? have pi changed ip or something?
[14:53] <shiftplusone> what it's saying is that dhcppc5 doesn't resolve into an IP address.
[14:53] <Eawo> and what does that means what is wrong?
[14:54] <shiftplusone> I couldn't possibly know. It all depends on your network.
[14:54] <Eawo> hmm seems to be my router cant connect to it
[14:54] <Eawo> i think it hanged or something
[14:54] <Eawo> brb
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[15:17] <Fusing> Hi. srx for my english
[15:17] <Fusing> Teamspeak cannot run because raspberry pi B to the ARM architecture?
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[15:18] <gnarface> Fusing: yes, you need to convince them to compile it for arm
[15:18] <shiftplusone> yes sir
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[15:19] <Fusing> Ok thx so the alternative is mumble ?
[15:20] <shiftplusone> It's an alternative
[15:20] <Fusing> and if i follow this tuto is ok for ready ? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8615 Is trange because there are only 2 step ^^
[15:21] <shiftplusone> could be one step if you only need the client or server
[15:21] <shiftplusone> ah, it's for the serber, nvrm
[15:22] <shiftplusone> *server
[15:22] <Fusing> yes
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[15:23] <Fusing> i create a server at home for speak with my friends. So only max 10 guest
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[16:28] <tuvok> hello .. i have a problem .. i have install raspbian on my sdcard
[16:28] <tuvok> but i have a problem to bring the wlan up
[16:28] <tuvok> hm
[16:30] <tuvok> can anybody help me?
[16:30] <shiftplusone> not based on the information provided so far.
[16:32] <tuvok> moment
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[16:34] <tuvok> i have this wlan stick http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B008B7PZU4/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 shadeslayer
[16:34] <tuvok> ups
[16:34] <tuvok> shiftplusone
[16:34] <tuvok> TP-Link TL-WN725N Wireless N Nano USB-Adapter
[16:34] <shiftplusone> output of lsusb ?
[16:35] <sney> realtek 8188, one of those ones that needs the out-of-tree module I think
[16:35] <tuvok> hm
[16:35] <sney> what a nuisance
[16:36] <tuvok> 8188eu-20130830.tar.gz this?
[16:36] <sney> but lsusb will tell for sure
[16:36] <shiftplusone> yeah, I've built the drivers for someone just a while ago
[16:36] <tuvok> i have on this a .ko file
[16:36] <shiftplusone> you also need the firmware file
[16:36] <tuvok> hm
[16:36] <tuvok> but what must i do?
[16:37] <shiftplusone> just a sec
[16:37] <tuvok> thx
[16:37] <tuvok> i have no network on this maschine
[16:37] <tuvok> no LAN
[16:37] <shiftplusone> what does the tar.gz contain? just the .ko file?
[16:37] <tuvok> yes
[16:37] <shiftplusone> from here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=55779 ?
[16:38] <shiftplusone> here rather, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80256631/8188eu-20130209.tar.gz ?
[16:38] <tuvok> i think
[16:38] <tuvok> yes
[16:39] <shiftplusone> output of uname -a ?
[16:39] <shiftplusone> what kernel version are you on
[16:39] <tuvok> raspbian 3.10.25+
[16:39] <shiftplusone> I'll check if that's what I built the module for.
[16:39] <tuvok> i think this was the lates new version i have download this for 2h
[16:39] <shiftplusone> ah, it is
[16:39] <shiftplusone> just a sec, I'll give you the link
[16:40] <tuvok> but my problem is .. where can i upload the .ko file
[16:40] <tuvok> or i must make offline ths raspbian
[16:40] <tuvok> and make this on the sd card
[16:40] <tuvok> ?
[16:40] <shiftplusone> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/rtl8188eu.tar.gz
[16:40] <shiftplusone> sd card, usb stick... whatever
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[16:41] <tuvok> ok i will shutdown the system and make this on my sdcard where the system is run
[16:41] <shiftplusone> just extract the archive to your rootfs
[16:42] <tuvok> i have extract this on my windows maschine and i will upload this to the sdcard
[16:42] <shiftplusone> ah... windows ey?
[16:42] <tuvok> i have make the sdcard
[16:42] <shiftplusone> I'll leave up to you how to go about it.
[16:42] <tuvok> to my windows and start with my raspberry
[16:42] <tuvok> :)
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[16:42] <tuvok> is not a windows system
[16:43] <tuvok> sorry my english is bad :(
[16:43] <tuvok> on my sdcard is the linux system
[16:44] <shiftplusone> 'course... the pi can't run windows.
[16:44] <tuvok> yes
[16:44] <tuvok> i have install raspbian!!
[16:45] <tuvok> sorry for my bad english
[16:45] <tuvok> my system where i write to you is windows!
[16:45] <shiftplusone> yes, I understood all of that
[16:45] <tuvok> and i have download this file on my windows system
[16:46] <tuvok> i have copy the tar.gz on a usb stick
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[16:47] <tuvok> so where must i copy the tar.gz?
[16:47] <tuvok> on \
[16:47] <tuvok> ?
[16:49] <tuvok> ok i have extract this on \lib
[16:49] <tuvok> what must i do next shiftplusone
[16:49] <shiftplusone> /
[16:49] <tuvok> yes
[16:49] <tuvok> sorry
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[16:50] <tuvok> but what must i do next ?
[16:51] <shiftplusone> depmod -a
[16:51] <tuvok> done
[16:51] <shiftplusone> check dmesg and ifconfig -a to check that the driver loaded and the interface showed up
[16:52] <tuvok> i see nothing with wlan
[16:52] <tuvok> also not on iwconfrig
[16:52] <tuvok> iwconfig
[16:52] <tuvok> or must i reboot?
[16:52] <shiftplusone> no, shouldn't have to
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[16:55] <tuvok> on \lib\firmware\rtlwifi are .bin .. on \lib\modules\3.10.25+\kernel\drivers\net\wireless is the 8188eu.ko
[16:55] <tuvok> hm
[16:55] <raidensnake> i found a promising glutes library that works like lunixboch's GL/GLU ES ones
[16:55] <raidensnake> only problem is it forces use of X11
[16:56] <tuvok> ah
[16:57] <tuvok> shiftplusone i have make modprobe 8188eu and my wlan is on
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[16:57] <shiftplusone> great
[16:57] <tuvok> and i can connect with ssh :)
[16:57] <tuvok> so ... will the driver automatic start?
[16:57] <tuvok> when i reboot?
[16:57] <shiftplusone> should
[16:57] <tuvok> or must i make modprobe at all the time
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[17:01] <shiftplusone> I am not going to go into details, but I think you should switch to the raspbian kernel instead of the foundation one and also learn to compile modules. If you don't, then the next time you run apt-get upgrade and reboot, your wifi will stop working.
[17:01] <tuvok> ah oke
[17:01] <tuvok> thank you very much
[17:02] <raidensnake> the 3.12 kernel fixed my keyboard/mouse issue
[17:04] <shiftplusone> raidensnake, what was the issue?
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[18:01] <raidensnake> hey what's the library command name for gles2
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[18:07] <raidensnake> my compilet can't see it
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[18:07] <raidensnake> not even odconfig
[18:07] <raidensnake> ldconfig
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[18:12] <shiftplusone> 'library command name'?
[18:12] <raidensnake> you know how compilers use -l
[18:13] <raidensnake> for example -lx11
[18:13] <shiftplusone> is it not the filename with the lib and extension cut off? try GLESv2
[18:13] <raidensnake> for some reason it can't find the GLESv3 library
[18:13] <raidensnake> I did
[18:13] <raidensnake> it says can't find it
[18:13] <raidensnake> sorry v2
[18:14] <raidensnake> if i do ldconfig -v it lists libGLESv2.so in /opt/vc/lib
[18:14] <raidensnake> but when I try calling it up using ld
[18:15] <raidensnake> like ld -lGLESv2
[18:15] <raidensnake> it can't see it
[18:15] <shiftplusone> I'll try
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[18:17] <raidensnake> http://pastebin.com/sGW2hqDk
[18:17] <raidensnake> that's what i see when i do ldconfig -v
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[18:22] <shiftplusone> yeah, running into the same issue. Don't know gcc enough to know where to go from here.
[18:23] <raidensnake> is there a seperate package with those libraries?
[18:23] <raidensnake> I used rpi-update witth the SKIP_KERNEL=1
[18:24] <shiftplusone> that will download the libraries, but it is also a package (which you probably already have installed)
[18:24] <shiftplusone> libraspberrypi-dev or something like that
[18:25] <shiftplusone> hmm... got it working
[18:25] <raidensnake> actually that wasn't installed
[18:26] <shiftplusone> gcc test.c -o test -lGLESv2 -L /opt/vc/lib
[18:26] <shiftplusone> add the library search path
[18:26] <shiftplusone> did you do a netinstall?
[18:26] <raidensnake> yes
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[18:26] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, then you'd be missing the proper packages
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> hifi, maybe it's worth adding a note about the libraspberrypi* packages?
[18:27] <raidensnake> also at times it moans apt-utils aren't installed for updates
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[18:30] <shiftplusone> I wonder why the library search path needs to be given. ldconfig finds the library alright, so what gives.... =/
[18:30] <raidensnake> I wish I knew
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[18:31] <hifi> shiftplusone: needing them to dev you mean?
[18:31] <raidensnake> yes
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[18:32] <shiftplusone> hifi, not just to dev. For example, the bin package has vcgencmd to measure core temperature, read firmware version and so on
[18:32] <shiftplusone> I think raspistill is also a part of that
[18:32] <shiftplusone> maybe it's an "extra" that's up to the user to figure out, but I think most people will scratch their heads and then run rpi-update instead of figuring out what's going on
[18:34] <raidensnake> well on this -lGLESv2 is specified in the libadds of the make file
[18:34] <hifi> shiftplusone: make the appropiate changes to README.md and send a pull request ;))
[18:34] <shiftplusone> hifi, yes sir
[18:34] <raidensnake> oh hifi got a suggestion for you
[18:35] <raidensnake> consider adding jessie to your netinstall as an optional install.
[18:35] <hifi> shiftplusone: offloading work to you is this easy? cool
[18:35] <hifi> shiftplusone: if you also want to add instructions how to select the foundation kernel packages on first install, that would also be nice
[18:35] <shiftplusone> hifi, it is that easy, but it means that it probably won't get around to happening >.>
[18:35] <hifi> there are packages for that too
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[18:37] <shiftplusone> haven't sent a pull request in a while. It required forking on github, doesn't it?
[18:38] <shiftplusone> raidensnake, you can do that yourself by changing one line in the init script (or adding a line to read the setting from the additional config file)
[18:40] <raidensnake> i fixed it using the LDFLAGS="-L/opt/vc/lib" ./configure
[18:40] <hifi> shiftplusone: you can also just make the changes to README.md and upload a patch or git format-patch HEAD^ after you make the local commit
[18:40] <hifi> and upload that
[18:41] <hifi> github doesn't have facilities for simple sending of patches/commits and instead require you to do a "hard fork"
[18:41] <hifi> I dislike that, it makes it look like forking is a nice thing
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[19:00] <shiftplusone> hifi, you take offence to forking? D=
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[19:01] <hifi> shiftplusone: yes
[19:01] <shiftplusone> =(
[19:01] <hifi> forking is the extreme case of "upstream not willing to cooperate"
[19:01] <hifi> and github makes it too easy
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[19:03] <shiftplusone> there go my ideas about forking the installer and making it compatible with NOOBS and adding extra options >.>
[19:03] <shiftplusone> <.<
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[19:04] <raidensnake> well it's mice having options to customise the version.
[19:11] <raidensnake> the netinstall works pretty well
[19:11] <shiftplusone> heh.... mice.
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[19:11] <hifi> shiftplusone: what if you just push them to upstream instead? :<
[19:11] <shiftplusone> I didn't expect you to approve of the changes I'd make >.>
[19:12] <hifi> try me :/
[19:12] <hifi> it's a hack anyway
[19:12] <hifi> tv, bbl -<
[19:12] <hifi> ->
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[19:12] <shiftplusone> but it's all moot right now. If I get some time and inspiration strikes to actually go through with it, I'll pass it by you
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[20:15] <boggle> i would like to restore default network configuration to my pi. i currently have no way to connect it to the internet. how can i go about doing this?
[20:15] <boggle> right now ifup can't even parse my /etc/network/interfaces
[20:16] <boggle> i would like to restore defaults and build back to getting my wifi dongle working from there
[20:16] <shiftplusone> boggle, http://pastebin.com/qBfeJiCf
[20:16] <shiftplusone> that's what comes with the foundation's raspbian image
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[20:17] <boggle> shiftplusone: thanks!
[20:17] <shiftplusone> np
[20:17] <boggle> i'll try that
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[20:17] <shiftplusone> it's set up to be used with wpa_gui
[20:18] <boggle> where would you start after restoring that file
[20:18] <boggle> to get the wifi working?
[20:18] <shiftplusone> there are many ways to do it. Google debian wifi howto
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[20:20] <hifi> shiftplusone: I'd be delighted to get reasonable updates from someone else
[20:21] <shiftplusone> I'll keep you posted if I get around to it.
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[20:28] <boggle> shiftplusone: that's why i asked so many choices lol. any trade-offs you're aware of, or any differences between configuring wifi on the rpi vs any other debian box? i appreciate that this is a broad question bordering on spoonfeeding, and appreciate the help you've given thus far and understand if you don't have time to answer
[20:28] <boggle> :)
[20:28] <shiftplusone> It's no different from any other debian install
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[20:28] <shiftplusone> I usually use wicd
[20:28] <shiftplusone> Can't go into the pros and cons though, that all depends on what you're after.
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[20:34] <boggle> shiftplusone: could wicd be seen as a wpa_supplicant server?
[20:34] <boggle> er
[20:34] <boggle> wpa_supplicant alternative
[20:34] <boggle> i mean
[20:34] <sney> wicd can be used to configure wpa_supplicant but wpa_supplicant still needs to be installed
[20:35] <shiftplusone> sney, sorry sney, just trying out /remove instead of /kick
[20:35] <sney> lol
[20:35] <sney> no worries
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[20:38] <boggle> shiftplusone: sney: should "sudo apt-get purge wpa_supplicant && sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant" restore wpa_supplicant to raspbian defaults?
[20:38] <boggle> i did some tinkering long ago and want a clean start to narrow down troubleshooting
[20:39] <shiftplusone> boggle, is it just a simple wpa network?
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[20:45] <boggle> shiftplusone: i believe so, i'm not well versed in wifi standards
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[20:47] <sney> you have to use confmiss to make apt reinstall original config files.
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[20:47] <sney> though just following the debian wiki's page on setting up wifi should be fine
[20:47] <shiftplusone> delete the wpa_supplicant.conf file then dpkg -i --force-confmiss <package_deb>.deb
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[20:47] <shiftplusone> But you don't really need to fiddle with the conf file for a generic WPA access point
[20:47] <boggle> sney: hmm, i thought the difference between ag remove and ag purge was purge removed all config files
[20:47] <soomsoom> there is a fast server for downloading raspbian?
[20:47] <sney> ptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename
[20:47] <sney> aptitude, even
[20:47] <shiftplusone> or apt-get install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" <package>
[20:47] <sney> boggle: apt assumes that when a config file is gone, you wanted it to stay gone
[20:47] <shiftplusone> I had a problem with my mysql config file and it didn't "come back" until I did the --force-confmiss thing.
[20:47] <sney> soomsoom: I've never had a problem with the download speed. you could use the netinstaller
[20:47] <soomsoom> sney: even in the torrent way its doesn't start to download
[20:47] <boggle> shiftplusone: so i needn't apt-get remove/purge before using --reinstall as you suggest above?
[20:47] <sney> boggle: correct, just remove the config file you want it to replace
[20:47] <shiftplusone> nuh, just delete the files conf files you want replaced
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[20:47] <shiftplusone> you can run dpkg --status wpa_supplicant to see all the config files
[20:47] <shiftplusone> (under conffiles:)
[20:47] <boggle> my only concern is that i don't remember which config files i editted, as this was some time ago
[20:47] <boggle> ah
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[20:47] <shiftplusone> actually, that's not the package name, it's just wpasupplicant
[20:47] <boggle> damn, i really need to learn more about debian package management. been dancing around these little misunderstandings for too long
[20:47] <sney> debian-handbook.info
[20:48] <shiftplusone> same here. I've grown too fond of portage and pacman, but never bothered to learn debian's way of doing things
[20:48] <soomsoom> twice i got download faild :\
[20:48] <soomsoom> there is no another server?
[20:49] <shiftplusone> soomsoom, what are you talking about exactly?
[20:49] <boggle> shiftplusone: yeah, i could do that or switch to arch and in the process be forced to learn everything about everyting. wish i could find the time
[20:49] <shiftplusone> soomsoom, the raspbian image on raspberrypi.org?
[20:49] <sney> raspberrypi.org hosts their own raspbian image, thought it's a little nutty
[20:49] <soomsoom> shiftplusone:yep
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[20:50] <shiftplusone> soomsoom, there are lots of mirrors, just try googling the filename
[20:50] <soomsoom> i tried
[20:50] <soomsoom> 2014-01-07-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[20:50] <soomsoom> gogole this
[20:52] <shiftplusone> if you download http://director.downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian/2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian.zip what IP does it download from ?
[20:53] <soomsoom> 93.93.130.39
[20:54] <shiftplusone> that should've been http://director.downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2014-01-09/2014-01-07-wheezy-raspbian.zip ,but doesn't matter
[20:54] <shiftplusone> and that's slow for you?
[20:54] <soomsoom> yep
[20:54] <soomsoom> 50 kpbs
[20:54] <soomsoom> and i have 100mb
[20:54] <soomsoom> plan
[20:54] <soomsoom> :O
[20:54] <shiftplusone> downloading right now at 1.4MB/sec ( my line can't do more than that)
[20:55] <soomsoom> downloading opensuse full install dvd
[20:55] <soomsoom> its downloads at 1MB~
[20:55] <soomsoom> :|
[20:55] <soomsoom> so its not the ISP
[20:56] <shiftplusone> I suck at network issues, so I can't be of any help here.
[20:57] <soomsoom> 10 seconds
[20:57] <soomsoom> :O
[20:57] <soomsoom> succesfully downloaded
[20:57] <soomsoom> after 2 tries of faild at the end
[20:57] <soomsoom> :|
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[20:57] <shiftplusone> should use a download manager which can resume these things anyway
[20:58] <soomsoom> shiftplusone: it was so slow :X
[20:59] <soomsoom> that download manager won't help
[20:59] <shiftplusone> yeah, no idea what that's about
[20:59] <boggle> shiftplusone: shit, against your advice i apt-get purged to see what would happen. then i deleted wpa_supplicant.conf, then apt-get installed, then did that --reinstall thing you suggested, but now there's no wpa_supplicant.conf
[20:59] <soomsoom> i see the imgae size is 2.8 GB
[21:00] <soomsoom> i have 2gb
[21:00] <soomsoom> it still fit in?
[21:00] <shiftplusone> I'd be curious to see how you plan to fin 2.8GB on a 2GB card, heh.
[21:01] <shiftplusone> use the netinstall instead. https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[21:02] <soomsoom> shiftplusone: lol, 15mintues of installation... wow i taked me 20 min to download the orginal image :O
[21:02] <shiftplusone> boggle, dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/wpasupplicant_1.0-3_armhf.deb
[21:09] <soomsoom> shiftplusone: installing :D
[21:10] <boggle> shiftplusone: i don't have that .deb
[21:11] <shiftplusone> boggle, if you only type in up to wpasupp and press tab, does it autocomplete?
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[21:17] <boggle> no incoming 22 accepted i don't think
[21:17] <shiftplusone> could reverse ssh
[21:17] <boggle> how?
[21:18] <shiftplusone> you ssh to my pi and set up port forwarding so that my port 2222 will appear as your port 22.
[21:18] <shiftplusone> like it's local
[21:18] <boggle> okay, willing to try
[21:19] <shiftplusone> do you have ssh key set up?
[21:19] <boggle> nah
[21:19] <boggle> i can just give you pi's password
[21:19] <boggle> also though
[21:19] <shiftplusone> nuh, that won't help. you need to ssh to me first and I don't have password logins enabled
[21:20] <boggle> i'm sharing my connection from my lappy
[21:20] <boggle> so
[21:20] <boggle> my laptop's on wifi
[21:20] <boggle> sharing that with the pi
[21:20] <boggle> via ethernet
[21:20] <boggle> does that change anything?
[21:20] <shiftplusone> nuh, ssh port forwarding gets past all that
[21:25] <boggle> but i'd need your key then
[21:25] <shiftplusone> nuh you send your *public* (not private) key, I add it to the authorized keys and that's it.
[21:25] <shiftplusone> but yeah, too much hassle
[21:27] <boggle> i don't get it, the .conf just won't come back
[21:27] <boggle> guess i could just hand type it
[21:27] <boggle> know how i can see the version the repo should be giving me?
[21:28] <shiftplusone> hmmmmm.......
[21:29] <shiftplusone> well... running dpkg --status wpasupplicant gives a result different to what I expected
[21:29] <shiftplusone> there is not wpa_supplicant.conf to speak of
[21:30] <shiftplusone> at least not the one you want
[21:31] <boggle> yeah, now i see one under /etc/dbus-1/system.d/
[21:31] <shiftplusone> that's not what you want
[21:31] <shiftplusone> /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa_supplicant.conf.gz
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> anyway, long story short, everything is fine.
[21:33] <boggle> so i don't need one?
[21:33] <shiftplusone> you need one if you want to use wpa_supplicant directly (which you don't need to)
[21:33] <boggle> neat neat
[21:33] <boggle> ok
[21:34] <boggle> so now i just need to install and configure wicd
[21:34] <boggle> ?
[21:34] <shiftplusone> sure
[21:35] <shiftplusone> you can use wicd-gtk or wicd-curses for an easy way to configure wicd. But also, make sure you read the wifi howto. It tells you what you need to do in the interfaces file.
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[21:41] <soomsoom> shiftplusone: what i need to install for GUI like i get int raspbian original image?
[21:43] <shiftplusone> soomsoom, lxde and xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo
[21:43] <soomsoom> ha...
[21:43] <soomsoom> ok
[21:44] <shiftplusone> but I would go with xfce4 instead of lxde (personal preference)
[21:44] <soomsoom> its looks good on Raspberry pi?
[21:44] <soomsoom> how about mate?
[21:45] <shiftplusone> probably a bit too resource hungry
[21:45] <soomsoom> lol
[21:46] <shiftplusone> xfce4 is far from lightweight too
[21:46] <shiftplusone> and they messed up the panels as well, so I am not that much of a fan, but it works just as well.
[21:48] <soomsoom> now i need to figure it how I will make X -query to make on another screen...
[21:50] <shiftplusone> X -query? I don't see such an option in the manpage
[21:50] <soomsoom> (EE) Xserver: missing -query host name in command line
[21:50] <soomsoom> there is
[21:50] <soomsoom> :D
[21:51] <shiftplusone> ah, Xserver, not just X then
[21:51] <soomsoom> ~> X -query
[21:51] <shiftplusone> "enables XDMCP and sends Query packets to the specified" ... no idea what that means, but it sounds fancy
[21:51] <soomsoom> :X
[21:51] <soomsoom> shiftplusone: it let you connect to remove X server
[21:52] <soomsoom> and you don;t need the xvnc
[21:52] <soomsoom> and the others shit
[21:52] <shiftplusone> makes sense
[21:53] <soomsoom> now i have two screen connected to the PC
[21:53] <soomsoom> one i used
[21:53] <soomsoom> and one need to be "x -query raspberrypi"
[21:54] <soomsoom> but the problem is to run another X session to the other screen :|
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[22:13] <boggle> shiftplusone:okay, i can now connect to wifi via wicd curses
[22:13] <shiftplusone> progress
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[22:13] <boggle> how can i ensure it connects to the same networkon boot?
[22:13] <boggle> righ? :)
[22:14] <boggle> my end goal is a kiosk
[22:14] <boggle> running a server
[22:14] <boggle> and a web client
[22:14] <shiftplusone> it should have a 'automatically connect to network' sort of option
[22:14] <boggle> that talks to that server
[22:14] <boggle> it does, but upon boot it doesn't seem to connect
[22:14] <boggle> maybe if i have no ethernet...
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[22:15] <shiftplusone> do you havet he 'wicd' service enabled?
[22:15] <boggle> would that be like
[22:15] <boggle> /etc/init.d/wicd enable
[22:15] <boggle> ?
[22:15] <shiftplusone> man update-rc.d
[22:15] <boggle> ah, mkay
[22:17] <soomsoom> why its installing me RPM?
[22:17] <soomsoom> WTF?!
[22:17] <soomsoom> :|
[22:18] <shiftplusone> ?
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[22:20] <sney> some of the desktop metapackages bring rpm/alien/etc in as recommends, probably for archive utility support
[22:21] <sney> they are small packages and they will not hurt you, but you can remove them if you are offended, heh
[22:22] <sney> you can always do 'aptitude why packagename' to find out why something was installed
[22:23] <shiftplusone> bah... aptitude itself seems to have a lot of dependencies
[22:24] <sney> some of those might be recommends
[22:25] <shiftplusone> since when does apt-get install suggested packages without being asked to?
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[22:25] <sney> not suggests, recommends
[22:25] <shiftplusone> ah, another thing I didn't know about debian then
[22:26] * shiftplusone tries with --no-install-recommends
[22:26] <Chousuke> it used to be that recommends weren't installed by default, at least for apt-get
[22:26] <shiftplusone> ah, much better
[22:26] <Chousuke> but that option is sufficient usually :P
[22:26] <sney> yeah, the behaviour has changed some over the past several years. there are a bunch of packages now that kind of don't work without their recommends
[22:27] <Chousuke> hmm :/
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[22:30] * shiftplusone now wonders how a suggestion differs from a recommendation >.>
[22:30] <Chousuke> I've been redoing my home network since I got my raspi and my new NAS. my old QNAP is basically now just another arm board to play with :P
[22:30] <Chousuke> it was quite a chore to get it working diskless.
[22:33] <Chousuke> Due to who knows why, debian's arm kernels don't provide scsi-modules as a separate package, preventing open-iscsi-udeb from building on ARM, which also means debian-installer doesn't support it.
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[22:34] <gregoa> shiftplusone: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps explains Recommends and Suggests (and other relations)
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[22:34] <Chousuke> there's also an issue in the boot scripts that prevents shutdown with iscsi root
[22:35] <Chousuke> it brings down the network and then decides it should flush scsi caches
[22:35] <shiftplusone> gregoa, handy, I'll read through it, but I meant in a non-debian-specific sense.
[22:36] <gregoa> shiftplusone: in the general sense, the question about the difference is a really good one :)
[22:39] <shiftplusone> "to present as worthy of confidence, acceptance, use, etc." "to mention or introduce (an idea, proposition, plan, etc.) for consideration or possible action". Ah... so there IS a difference.
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[22:44] <Chousuke> I'm surprised by how good the raspi is with xmbc. after tweaking NFS a bit it seems to play whatever I throw at it without any trouble.
[22:45] <Chousuke> NFS with defaults seemed to cause performance issues. Not sure what it was.
[22:46] <shiftplusone> What tweaks did it need?
[22:46] <Chousuke> I found this with google and it helped http://lucatnt.com/2013/09/avoid-stuttering-streaming-from-nfs-shares-with-xbmc-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[22:47] <shiftplusone> thanks
[22:49] <Chousuke> I suspect it's the rsize/wsize. udp might help some I guess but it shouldn't make that big of a difference.
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[23:22] <ShrewdMc> hi there!
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[23:22] <ShrewdMc> anyone had recently problems with mysqld? I cant start it
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[23:40] <Nathan2055> Question: I'm trying to manually download packages to transfer over USB since I don't have an internet connection for my Pi. However, there's nine different files and I have no clue which one to get. What should I do?
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[23:42] <sney> Nathan2055: what packages?
[23:43] <Nathan2055> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/e/emacs24/ and http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/c/clang/ (which Chrome's is convinced is in Spanish)
[23:43] <sney> you can use packages.debian.org to see what versions are in wheezy and what the dependencies are, and then download the matching packages from the raspbian mirror
[23:44] <Nathan2055> Yes, but what file should I get?
[23:46] <sney> emacs24 isn't in wheezy so it might not be installable
[23:48] <sney> for just installing software you typically don't need the -dev or -dbg packages and you certainly don't need the .dsc, .tar.gz files
[23:48] <Nathan2055> So just the .debs?
[23:49] <sney> .debs are binary packages, yes
[23:50] <Nathan2055> Cool, thanks for the help!
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