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[0:08] <Gooogy> I cant get wifi run on my raspberry pi
[0:09] <Gooogy> the stick is installed and I see als the networks, but I cant connect (cant get IP adress)
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[3:10] <miseria> "compartimos nuestro planeta, dando lo lindo de nuestra vida y olvidando lo propio, cuidate y piensa en ti" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
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[6:28] <avengery> Good morning .. i need help with raspberry with darkice please have a look here http://redd.it/1vqdk9
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[8:02] <dexta> bore da
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[9:00] <zGrr> moin :)
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[9:19] <avengery> hi guys
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[12:43] <mrAZ> \exit
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[13:07] <tkl2> Hi there
[13:07] <tkl2> Someone around who can help me with mpd on raspi??
[13:07] <tkl2> http://sven.50webs.org/rpmpd.html#step8
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[13:08] <tkl2> I have imaged it onto a 4GB SD-Card but it won�t booting
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[13:12] <janPasi> tkl2: what exactly have you done?
[13:12] <janPasi> tkl2: what do you mean you have "imaged it to SD-card"?
[13:14] <ColdKeyboard> Did anyone have and issue with network file transfer from win7 machine to raspbian and vice-versa? I'm trying to copy some files and the file transfer is extremly slow... :\
[13:16] <tkl2> dd if=image.bin of=/dec
[13:16] <tkl2> of=/dev/sdc
[13:17] <tkl2> janPasi: Or eaxactly dd if=raspbian_custom_mpd2.bin of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
[13:17] <tkl2> Before that i have unzipped the file of course
[13:19] <janPasi> tkl2: i haven't been using any special image, just plain raspbian
[13:19] <tkl2> Plain raspbian works
[13:19] <janPasi> tkl2: then "sudo apg-get install mpd"
[13:19] <tkl2> Could you do me a favor and try to image it?
[13:20] <tkl2> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByPk6XiSui0KMHpjaG5LOC1fSFU/edit?pli=1
[13:20] <janPasi> tkl2: i don't have an extra sd-card and i don't want to break my working system :(
[13:20] <tkl2> There are some tweask coming with this distro and i would love to use it.
[13:20] <janPasi> i see
[13:20] <janPasi> what kind of tweaks are those?
[13:21] <tkl2> To know that exactly i would have to boot it ;)
[13:22] <janPasi> i'd personally just go with plain raspbian and install mpd separately
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[13:27] <ColdKeyboard> Would it be faster to connect to my RaspberryPi and transfer files via FTP server or via local network? What do you suggest?
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> FTP has a very low protocol overhead. And no encryption. It ought to be as fast as the slowest component in the system - probably the SD car.
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[13:30] <ColdKeyboard> I'm going to transfer data from my computer to the network drive connected on USB
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> but for sheer convenience, if I had a driectoyr structure to copy over, I'd probably use rsync - which uses ssh & therefore encryption, so will be slower.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> in that case you'd be quicker unplugging it from the Pi and plugging it into your computer.
[13:30] <zGrr> or you can encrypt ftp with ssl
[13:31] <ColdKeyboard> I'm not worried about the encryption, if possible I would like to opt it out in this case
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> zGrr, no point really (on your own private LAN)
[13:31] <ColdKeyboard> What FTP server do you suggest to install? I will have just 1 user and that's it.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> I use proftpd.
[13:32] <ColdKeyboard> Is it easy to configure? By easy I mean that I'm newbie and never did something like that before
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install proftpd-basic
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> and that's about it.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> it's even easier if your other desktop is e.g. Windows as there are many graphical FTP clients avalable that make copying data quite easy.
[13:34] * gordonDrogon checks the actual package name.
[13:34] <ColdKeyboard> Nice, if I sudo apt-get install proftpd, should I install it as standalone or from inetd
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> standalone.
[13:35] <ColdKeyboard> oh, ok. Just curious, what does from inetd mean?
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, proftpd-basic is the one you most likely want - there are many others.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> inets is a system designed to conserve memory and resources.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> *inetd
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> rather than run lots and lots of programs, you run one - inetd - and that listens for connections - then when it sees a conection it fires up the program and then the program takes over and inetd goes back to listening.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> inetd can manage dozens of services.
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> however these days it's just one more thing to go wrong and is rarely used.
[13:37] <ColdKeyboard> Ok, I already have XBMC, Transmission and ZNC on the Raspberry, I hope XBMC wont get laggy with proftpd :)
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> the issue you'll have is that there is only one USB on the Pi.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> So data will come in via Ethernet - which is on the one USB interface, into the Pi, then back out via the same USB interface to the USB drive.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> so the USB interface becomes the bottleneck.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> in theory you shouldn't notice it, but who knows.
[13:39] <zGrr> RPi is just unsuitable for the aplications that require io
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> it's not the best, but I know people using them as small office servers quite adequately.
[13:39] <zGrr> Can be done.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> 4 watts vs. 15 watts for an Atom server running 24/7 ...
[13:40] <zGrr> I would use something else for the small office server.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I'd use an Atom based system (actually I do use an Atom based system), but the Pi can work and it's great to use it to learn about this stuff.
[13:40] <zGrr> Atom is not very reliable and it is too power hungry.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> zGrr, I disagree on both coutns there. I've been running them for years.
[13:41] <zGrr> I would go for something running Geode LX-800
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> 13:45:20 up 697 days, 5:30, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.11, 0.06
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> that's an atom server.
[13:41] <zGrr> gordonDrogon: you're right.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> Geodes are nice too, but not as fast on the IO.
[13:42] <zGrr> gordonDrogon: but if you have 50 of them, chances are that not all of them will be that reliable.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> who knows. my experience with about a dozen atoms has been positive.
[13:42] <zGrr> gordonDrogon: I know ppl migrating from atom to geode lx because of reliability issues.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> I used the Geodes for PBXs.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> the ALIX boards.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> no video out...
[13:43] <zGrr> and Alix boards do have GPIO connector
[13:43] <zGrr> Some Alix boards have VGA output
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> yes, I've seen them, but never had a use for them.
[13:44] <zGrr> and they have crypto support on the chip.
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[16:11] <DrJones_> Hi, I'm working on an automotive project using a Raspberry running Raspbian. How worry should I be about unclean shutdown?
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[16:13] <sney> power loss can corrupt the sd card
[16:13] <shiftplusone> You should keep it in mind
[16:13] <Humpelstilzchen> you can always mount / ro
[16:14] <kingi> DrJones_ it breaks it easily
[16:15] <kingi> broke my archlinux and my raspbian
[16:15] <DrJones_> Hmmm in fact my application does not really require write access on any partition except /var/log
[16:15] <kingi> so from experience it breaks the os more often than it doesnt
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[16:16] <DrJones_> Been playing with mausberry ignition switch but getting mixed results right now.
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[16:17] <DrJones_> Any recommendations ?
[16:17] <shiftplusone> you can use a 555 timer and a relay to cut the power once the pi has shut down, or use an attiny to read the serial output and determine when it's safe to cut the power that way.
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[16:18] <DrJones_> phone brb
[16:19] <sney> there's also this thingie http://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-supply-raspberry-pi-power-switch/
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[16:39] <DrJones_> shiftplusone: actually it's the reverse the power going to the pi will be cut (car ignition switched-off).
[16:40] <shiftplusone> I know, and if you don't want to run from RAM or a read only root, that's exactly what you want to avoid... by adding a circuit that will keep the pi powered a little bit after the ignition is cut.
[16:40] <DrJones_> Exactly.
[16:41] <shiftplusone> that's what I meant when I said use a 555 timer or an attiny
[16:46] <DrJones_> Ok, I'll investigate this as well as RO filesystem
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[20:39] <PoltoS_> Hi! Trying to compile v8 for Raspbian using XCrossTools. It worked before (till July or September), but now we switched to the latest Raspbian image and now it gives SIGILL. Any clue? We use "hardfp=on snapshot=off armv7=0 v8_use_arm_eabi_hardfloat=true" params for v8 and "-march=armv6 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard" for CXXFLAGS. Same worked before, but not now. Does latest Raspbian uses another compilation params?
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[20:48] <Noctek> How can I change my GUI to something different?
[20:48] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, the releases you get from the raspberrypi.org site doesn't relate to anything the raspbian project does (usually)
[20:49] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, they're just bootstrapped raspbian with the foundation's customizations added. And there's haven't been any major changes there either.
[20:49] <shiftplusone> Noctek, what's the problem? what have you tried? what didn't work?
[20:52] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: Isn't this from Raspbian project? http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2014-01-09/
[20:53] <Noctek> shiftplusone, I have the default DE (LXDE?), and I wanted to try something different like maybe KDE or MATE. I don't really know all the steps to setting it up. I'm assuming I have to unistall LXDE first, but after that I'm lost.
[20:53] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, no sir. those images are created by the foundation.
[20:53] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: If so, where to get some support on the "Raspbian" distributed by Raspberri Pi foundation?
[20:54] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, it's the same Raspbian, it's just that the images are created and released by the foundation. You can view the scripts used to do so here https://github.com/asb/spindle
[20:54] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: that's interesting to know. Their relationship is "not well documented" ;) Is the Raspbian image better than the one from the foundation?
[20:55] <shiftplusone> and if you look at the commits, you'll see that nothing major has been changed which would break your setup
[20:55] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: thanks, will have a look. So, no major changes have been made since June's image? Why v8 s/w can go into SIGILL one one image and work on another?
[20:55] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, there's no 1 image. People are free to make their own and distribute them as they see fit. The Raspbian folks don't provide one of their own in any 'official' sense.
[20:56] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: I suppose it is about FP issues
[20:56] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, what's the actual error?
[20:56] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: Illegal instruction
[20:57] <shiftplusone> and what is this xcrosstools you speak of? google gives nothing
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[20:59] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: I tried both native compilation on RPi box and before I used with success the one described on http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ (it takes 5 min to compile v8 on my PC compared to 5 hours on RPi!)
[21:00] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: So, this cross compiler worked before as a charm. After I got SIGILL with it, I tried native compilation, but with same result
[21:00] <shiftplusone> ah, crosstool-ng
[21:01] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: yes
[21:01] <shiftplusone> so, crosstool-ng aside, if you build your code on the pi, you get SIGILL when you run the produced binary?
[21:01] <shiftplusone> if so, it sounds like a v8 issue
[21:01] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: yes, at the same place same error
[21:02] <shiftplusone> I am not failiar with v8, what do you use to compile it?
[21:02] <PoltoS_> but same v8 version works on older Raspbian. Even more - old binary (worked on previous image) does not run on the new image (same error)
[21:02] <PoltoS_> gyp + g++
[21:03] <shiftplusone> that doesn't make much sense
[21:03] <PoltoS_> this is the command line: CXXFLAGS="-march=armv6 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard" LINK="g++" LD="g++" make -C v8 i18nsupport=off library=shared hardfp=on snapshot=off armv7=false v8_use_arm_eabi_hardfloat=true armfloatabi=hard vfp3=false arm.debug
[21:03] <shiftplusone> does the new binary work on the old image?
[21:03] <PoltoS_> good idea to test. will do it right now
[21:04] <shiftplusone> just to try something. Try commenting out the content of /etc/ld.so.preload
[21:04] <shiftplusone> and then run the binary again
[21:05] <PoltoS_> it contains only this: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libcofi_rpi.so
[21:05] <shiftplusone> yeah, comment that line out for a while
[21:05] <shiftplusone> see if it makes a difference
[21:05] <PoltoS_> and my s/w does not require it
[21:05] <PoltoS_> ok, will try
[21:05] <PoltoS_> no need to reboot?
[21:05] <shiftplusone> nope
[21:06] <shiftplusone> no difference?
[21:06] <PoltoS_> same
[21:06] <PoltoS_> will now test it on older image
[21:07] <shiftplusone> hmm
[21:08] <shiftplusone> also, if you use the old image but run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; ... any difference?
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[21:08] <PoltoS_> our clients reported that this lead to same problem - SIGILL
[21:08] <shiftplusone> ah so, it's a problem with some package update then.
[21:09] <PoltoS_> have not tried myself, but dozen reports is enough to trust them ;)
[21:09] <shiftplusone> plugwash, any idea how to track down this sort of problem?
[21:09] <PoltoS_> yes, it is. but which? we rely on basic libs only
[21:09] <PoltoS_> can paste ldd output
[21:11] <PoltoS_> tried: new build of v8 (using crosstools-ng) runs on the old image. can not try native code, since I did make clean half an hours ago
[21:11] <PoltoS_> and it will take four hours mre to compile again
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[21:12] <shiftplusone> I know I am repeating myself, but it's a little baffling... and the SAME BINARY does not work if you run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[21:13] <plugwash> The first thing i'd do is load up a debugger and see if I can get a backtrace
[21:13] <plugwash> though with a jit that may well not work :/
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[21:15] <shiftplusone> Well, I blame wizards
[21:16] <Noctek> Should have rolled a sorcerer.
[21:17] <PoltoS_> I'm compiling now debug version to run gdb
[21:17] <PoltoS_> I'll now try myself dist-upgrade on a fresh old image to answer you
[21:20] <plugwash> BTW one thing I would note is to be careful when debugging as some libraries trigger and catch sigills in their startup code
[21:20] <plugwash> as they try and work out what CPU they are running on
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[21:21] <PoltoS_> v8 does not. tested ;)
[21:22] <PoltoS_> at least on MIPSBE. and gdb will show this anyway, since it catches them first
[21:23] <plugwash> I'm just mentioning it because sometimes people go and try and debug something and end up staring at a sigill in the startup code rather than staring at the crash they were actually trying to debug
[21:25] <PoltoS_> thanks, it indeed happened to me with libxml once. so, I'm experiences a bit ;)
[21:25] <Noctek> shiftplusone, I have the default DE (LXDE?), and I wanted to try something different like maybe KDE or MATE. I don't really know all the steps to setting it up. I'm assuming I have to unistall LXDE first, but after that I'm lost.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> Noctek, oh right, sorry. Got side-tracked. Yeah, forget KDE.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> I don't know how well mate works, but it should be fine.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> kde is way too heavy for the pi though
[21:26] <Noctek> No worries. Ok I figured as much.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> but in general, you install it like you would on debian. Nothing fancy
[21:27] <sney> there won't be mate packages for raspbian though I think
[21:27] <sney> you'd have to build it. got a week? heh
[21:27] <shiftplusone> it may be a good idea to disable autologin in lightdm, so that you can select the session you're after.
[21:27] <shiftplusone> sney, you sure? I remember there being an renouncement about mate on raspbian, but I didn't really read it.
[21:27] <plugwash> There are mate packages for raspbian
[21:27] <plugwash> http://archive.raspbian.org/mate/
[21:27] <sney> oh, neat, I suppose
[21:28] <Noctek> So uninstall LXDE, install MATE or whatever and I'm good? Do I have to change any settings?
[21:28] <sney> alternatives should handle that for you
[21:28] <Noctek> <--newish
[21:28] <shiftplusone> start with installing whatever you want
[21:28] <plugwash> I don't know exactly how long it too mike to build it but I don't think it was a massively long time
[21:29] <plugwash> though it was built using an imx53 board not a Pi
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[21:35] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: debug v8 failed to start on new image with : Fatal error in ../src/arm/assembler-arm.cc, line 347 # CHECK(shift_op != ROR || shift_imm != 0) failed (it trapped the error via assert)
[21:36] <PoltoS_> same binary on the old image runs perfectly
[21:36] <PoltoS_> now doing dist-upgrade to check
[21:37] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, I am clueless at this point. I'd direct this at plugwash, since it does sound like something is broken in raspbian.
[21:38] * plugwash doesn't have much of an idea either
[21:39] <shiftplusone> maybe the v8 folks can help track it down
[21:40] <plugwash> IMO what you really need is a v8 expert, even if the problem does turn out to be a flaw in raspbian then you will still need someone who can work through the v8 code and figure out what is happening that should not be happening
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[21:40] <plugwash> you need to figure out why v8 is getting into a state where that assert is tripping
[21:43] <shiftplusone> Might make sense to track down which package and then which version of the package introduces the breakage as well
[21:45] <PoltoS_> I'm now make the upgrade. If it will break, I suppose I can try to take a fresh version and make package by package upgrade to track it.
[21:47] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: but my canndidates are: libraspberrypi (no idea what is this, but looks pretty general) and linux-libc-dev
[21:48] <shiftplusone> I don't think so, but ruling them out is a starting point
[21:48] <PoltoS_> plugwash: if I had one! v8 is pretty closed as a community. And all folks are usually in nodeJS project, which have it's own branch of v8...
[21:49] <plugwash> :(
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[21:49] <plugwash> I would also check if the running kernel version is the trigger
[21:49] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: well, other updates are not relevant at all!
[21:49] <plugwash> IMO that is a more likely suspect than most libraries
[21:50] <PoltoS_> plugwash: good idea! but dist-upgrade seems to keep the kernel. or it is inside some other package. at least I don't see linux-XXX package
[21:50] <shiftplusone> PoltoS_, it's inside raspberrypi-bootloader
[21:51] <PoltoS_> ok, this one is installed. will try to run before reboot or alter grub to use older one (if the old is kept)
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[22:14] <PoltoS_> plugwash: did the upgrade: before reboot v8 worked (I assume new libs are already used), after reboot - not anymore. So, it seems your assumption is correct
[22:15] <shiftplusone> the kernel, ey? =S
[22:15] <shiftplusone> Would not have thought to blame the kernel at all.
[22:16] <PoltoS_> me neither, but plugwash suggested to check it. is there a simple way to downgrade it to older one?
[22:16] <PoltoS_> let's say, 3.6.11 (from June 13)
[22:16] <shiftplusone> yeah, just a sec
[22:17] <PoltoS_> as I got, they are not saved like in ubuntu/debian
[22:17] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/master/boot/kernel.img
[22:17] <shiftplusone> download the kernel.img from the day of interest and throw it in /boot
[22:18] <PoltoS_> thx!
[22:18] <shiftplusone> and then you can also open an issue
[22:19] <PoltoS_> yup, but before I want to proove it.
[22:19] <shiftplusone> 'course
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[22:20] <shiftplusone> finding the exact revision would probably be very helpful (I am guessing it will be the bump from 3.6 to 3.10 or whatever it was)
[22:20] * plugwash suggested the kernel because it was the only thing I could think of that was both relavent and had changed significantly
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[22:21] <gnarface> couldn't the firmware that came with the kernel be at fault too?
[22:21] <plugwash> That is also possible but IMO less likely
[22:21] <shiftplusone> gnarface, you're always the first to blame the firmware for everything XD
[22:22] <gnarface> shiftplusone: that's because i don't use my pi headless all the time, so i actually notice the regressions
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[22:30] <PoltoS_> plugwash, shiftplusone: incredible! with older Linux kernel it works!!!!! really strange. Where do you suggest to make a bug report? what info to provide?
[22:30] <shiftplusone> I'd track down the commit that breaks
[22:31] <PoltoS_> plugwash, shiftplusone: guys, thank you very much! at least now I understand, that this is not in our s/w. Your ideas were really helpfull!
[22:31] <plugwash> Just because the new kernel triggered it doesn't nesacerally mean the bug is not in v8
[22:31] <shiftplusone> I have no idea what information to include, since this is all foreign to me
[22:31] <PoltoS_> shiftplusone: yes, good point. Will check all the 20 kernels tomorrow. Now it's late - wanna sleep ;) Thank you again. Will add the issue to that github project.
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[22:32] <shiftplusone> don't have to check 20 kernels >_< just bisect to find the one that breaks
[22:32] <plugwash> Once you have worked out which two foundation binary kernels the bug appeared between you may be able to drill down further by bisecting the source
[22:32] <PoltoS_> plugwash: agree, but at least this is something easier to locate and isolate.
[22:33] <plugwash> (the file extra/git_hash in the raspberrypi/firmare tree on github will tell you the corresponding version of the source code in the raspberrypi/linux repo)
[22:34] <PoltoS_> ok, thank you very much, will go further tomorrow. the challenge will be to find who is to blame (v8 or kernel) and what to change. but this is for tomorrow
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[23:07] <Gooogy> anyone here who can help me with configure wifi?
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[23:24] <sney> Gooogy: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
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[23:33] <otyugh> Hey, I'm looking for some feedback about teeny costless screens (30-40$) on raspberry. Is the quality good enought to use it for writing purposes without destroying our eyes ?
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[23:49] <gnarface> otyugh: i doubt you're gonna find anything that cheap above 320x240 unless you're in china, so i'm gonna guess no. you might be able to find some stuff in the neighborhood of 1200x700 to 1300x800 or so if you go up to 80-100$ though
[23:50] <otyugh> 320x240 could be fine. I guess. Well, I'll need a try to see it's too little for using
[23:51] <gnarface> otyugh: that's a lower resolution than a palm pilot from the 90's. i suppose it all depends on your patience and your eyesight
[23:51] <otyugh> ^^
[23:52] <otyugh> Well, autonomy should be improved aswell, right ?
[23:54] <gnarface> i couldn't say
[23:59] <gnarface> i suppose it depends on your software
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