#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-03-05

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[3:52] <vade> hi
[3:53] <vade> Anyone alive? Random q. I update dpi-update on a model b, and I'm noticing half fps openGL
[3:53] <vade> I have two pis, one is 3.10.27 (faster) and the other is 3.10.32 (slower)...
[3:53] <vade> thats weird eh?
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[3:53] <vade> if anyone knows if the gl ES firmware has an issue Id love to know.
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[3:58] <gnarface> vade: you mean rpi-update? my experiences have been similar generally (frequent regressions of various features)
[3:58] <gnarface> vade: we generally advised you either don't use foundation kernels at all, or if you do, use "rpi-update [github tag]" to update to a specific known-working version for you, and just leave it there unless you have a real good reason not to
[3:59] <gnarface> vade: to be clear: you get a foundation kernel from using one of the pre-configured images on raspberrypi.org, or you use rpi-update
[4:00] <gnarface> vade: you get the raspbian kernel from using "apt-get install rpi-linux-image" or something like that (i forget the exact name)
[4:00] <gnarface> vade: it should be easy to find with apt-cache search
[4:01] <shiftplusone> though I doubt the kernel has much to do with it
[4:01] <gnarface> shiftplusone: right
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[4:01] <gnarface> vade: the distinct difference is that the rpi-update/foundation kernel comes with updated *firmware*
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[4:02] <gnarface> (i get the sense that its pretty beta firmware, typically)
[4:04] <vade> huh. So, is there a way to revert to a raspian base? I thought it was good practice to apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on occasion.
[4:04] <vade> thanks gnarface / shiftplusone btw
[4:05] <shiftplusone> apt-get upgrade is fine, it's rpi-update that's the problem.
[4:05] <sney> it's good practice to upgrade through apt, but not so much with the rpi-update script which ignores package management
[4:05] <vade> is that documented anywhere? I mean, why include it if its uh, frowned upon?
[4:05] * sney still thinks rpi-update shouldn't come preinstalled on images
[4:05] <vade> yea, what you said.
[4:06] <shiftplusone> vade, it has its uses
[4:06] <vade> So, there is no way to revert then?
[4:06] <sney> and the foundation's image is out to lunch in many ways. it's far from a pure raspbian install
[4:06] <vade> hrm.
[4:06] <sney> rpi-update does have some way to roll back, I think, I haven't looked at that but I remember gnarface was trying a zillion different firmwares at one point
[4:07] <sney> or maybe he was doing it manually
[4:07] <vade> oh so rpi-update github-tag should do it then?
[4:07] <sney> anyway, there's always backing up your important stuff, and reinstalling, preferably with the netinstaller
[4:07] <sney> is that what the help output says?
[4:07] <shiftplusone> make sure you use the shasum from hexxeh's github repo, if you do it that way
[4:08] <shiftplusone> the other way is to simply force a reinstall of the apt packages
[4:08] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi-bootloader and the libraspberrypi* packages
[4:15] <Tachyon`> grr, cold
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[4:45] <vade> hi - so, interestingly doing just an update;upgrade via apt has fixed it
[4:45] <vade> I'm back on 3.10.25 and it appears, um, happier?
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[5:11] <gnarface> sney: i was just doing it by the id of the various releases, making notes of which ones worked for which features i was trying to use
[5:12] <gnarface> vade: yea, that should work, but like shiftplusone said, make sure its the id of the right repo
[5:13] <gnarface> vade: its believable that having the latest firmware/kernel from rpi-update would also assume dependency upon the changes specific to the very latest libraries in the raspbian repo
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[6:10] <vade> this is so bizzare
[6:10] <vade> a recompile of my app and perf is back down
[6:10] <vade> I don't understand anything anymore.
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[6:16] <Kingi> isnt that what usually happens with linux
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[7:21] <Guest7439> Hello guys! I really need your help... Again.
[7:21] <Guest7439> I have my Raspbian install, and pretty rare USB to Serial thing called "MOXA UPort 1110". And that's the problem
[7:22] <Guest7439> I can't compile this driver for 3.10 kernel, because MOXA driver is old, and can't be compiled with 3.10 without fixes
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[7:23] <dsourcerer> well
[7:23] <dsourcerer> that's better
[7:24] <dsourcerer> So, at first I thought something like "Well, if it can't work with 3.10, just fine, let's use old 3.2.27+"
[7:24] <dsourcerer> That was my huuuge mistake. This damn usb serial thing hangs my kernel with "handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma: 2131: handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma: channel 6 DMA mode chhltd set but reason for halting is unknown hcint 0x00000402, intsts 0x6600029 " messages
[7:25] <Kingi> u need to change the 1 to 0
[7:25] <Kingi> 0 has less energy so it can squeeze through
[7:25] <dsourcerer> Sorry, what?
[7:26] <Kingi> when u're going through a kernel hole with out enough hyperbolic energy u need to make a few 1's in to 0's
[7:26] <shiftplusone> dsourcerer, that's the channel's official troll. What happens with the normal kernel?
[7:26] <dsourcerer> Normal?
[7:26] <dsourcerer> What do you mean by normal?
[7:27] <shiftplusone> A recent raspbian or foundation kernel
[7:28] <dsourcerer> Well, recent kernel - from github - is 3.10
[7:29] <dsourcerer> OS itself works like a charm with 3.10; but it seems I need to port device driver to 3.10, and I can't - because I don't know how to. There are some errors with termios/tty handling (I suppose, something had changed in kernel between 3.6 and 3.10)?
[7:31] <shiftplusone> Ah, so there's just no driver for it in 3.10?
[7:31] <dsourcerer> Nope :(
[7:31] <dsourcerer> I wish I could port this damned driver to 3.10
[7:31] <shiftplusone> Would it not be sensible to just order a more standard adapter?
[7:31] <shiftplusone> given that they're a few dollars
[7:32] <dsourcerer> Nope, there are thousand of them
[7:32] <dsourcerer> They bought
[7:32] <dsourcerer> They installed
[7:32] <dsourcerer> Everywhere
[7:32] <dsourcerer> Ha-ha
[7:33] <dsourcerer> They - I mean, my company
[7:33] <shiftplusone> lovely
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[7:33] <dsourcerer> Yep
[7:33] <dsourcerer> So
[7:34] <dsourcerer> All I know is: 3.2.27 crashes with this driver (as far as I googled that was caused by bug, fixed in 3.6); no driver for 3.10; and - finally - it seemd that 3.6 kernel works like a charm with this driver
[7:34] <shiftplusone> looks like it should work actually.
[7:34] <shiftplusone> sec, I'll see what happens
[7:38] <dsourcerer> I built 3.6.y from git with my old config from 3.2.27, MOXA 1.3.3 driver works fine, but I get "BUG: scheduling while atomic: miniterm.py/2200/0x40000100" every minute or so
[7:38] <dsourcerer> And "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper/0/0x40000300" as well
[7:40] <dsourcerer> And one more thing: I really need to use w1-gpio module patched with reconfigurable w1 pin
[7:41] <shiftplusone> It doesn't look like porting the driver would be too much hassle
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[7:43] <dsourcerer> shiftplusone: yup, few fixes in usb debug output, and few fixes with tty
[7:44] <dsourcerer> But I never ever fixed linux drivers by myself, and just don't know where I can find what have cnahged between 3.6 and 3.10
[7:44] <shiftplusone> you don't need to
[7:45] <shiftplusone> first error is too many arguments to usb_serial_debug_data
[7:45] <shiftplusone> you search the headers to find the necessary arguments
[7:45] <dsourcerer> I found that and fixed
[7:45] <shiftplusone> then make the necessary change
[7:45] <dsourcerer> usb_serial_debug_data is easy thing
[7:45] <shiftplusone> well, keep going from there
[7:45] <dsourcerer> but tty and termios aren't
[7:46] <dsourcerer> I remember how hard was to port termios to KolibriOS, he-he:D
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[7:51] <shiftplusone> well, that's unfortunate then
[7:56] <dsourcerer> It seems I have to port it to 3.10
[7:56] <dsourcerer> :(
[7:56] <shiftplusone> Make the guy who ordered them do it
[7:57] <shiftplusone> so he can appreciate the error of his ways =D
[7:57] <dsourcerer> shiftplusone: it's not possible :( everyone is quit. Except me
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[7:57] <dsourcerer> It's kinda... honor
[7:58] <shiftplusone> >_< oh dear
[7:58] <dsourcerer> To fix this mess
[7:58] <dsourcerer> So I'm the only one who's still working
[7:58] <dsourcerer> :D
[7:58] <dsourcerer> weird, heh
[7:59] <dsourcerer> let's take a look at ch341 driver, and compare....
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[8:08] <dsourcerer> Well, I have to fix only one thing
[8:08] <dsourcerer> port->port.tty
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[8:16] <dsourcerer> Finally, "kmem_cache_alloc_trace" undefined. Do I have to recompile kernel with CONFIG_TRACING=y ?
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[8:27] <dsourcerer> shiftplusone: thank you for the motivation
[8:27] <dsourcerer> I'll hope that my kernel 3.10 will works fine with MOXA driver, custom w1-gpio and stuff
[8:28] <dsourcerer> Btw, where can I take .config from clean raspbian 3.10 kernel?
[8:28] <dsourcerer> Except "instal 3.10 kernel, and grab your /proc/config.gz"
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[8:28] <hifi> the kernel package source
[8:29] <hifi> apt-get source linux-image-3.10-rpi or whatever the package name was
[8:29] <hifi> although I'm not sure which kernel you are now referring to
[8:30] <hifi> there are two variants, foundation kernel and raspbian kernel
[8:30] <dsourcerer> hifi: any of them
[8:30] <dsourcerer> I just want working config for 3.10 kernel
[8:31] <hifi> you can't build your driver as a module?
[8:31] <hifi> for 3.10
[8:31] <dsourcerer> I'm building my driver as a module
[8:32] <hifi> soo, install the kernel headers package for 3.10 and off you go?
[8:32] <hifi> or am I missing something
[8:32] <dsourcerer> "kmem_cache_alloc_trace undefined"
[8:33] <hifi> you compile against the proper headers and you run the proper kernel and load the proper module build against that header package and kernel?
[8:33] <hifi> it isn't very hard to mix them up with raspbian
[8:33] <hifi> built against*
[8:34] <dsourcerer> I'm cross-compiling in my Ubuntu install, but I checked few times: 3.10.32 kernel, 3.10.32 modules, 3.10.32 headers
[8:34] <dsourcerer> Even right module.symvers
[8:35] <dsourcerer> make of moxa's module says "kmem_cache_alloc_trace undefined"
[8:35] <dsourcerer> I bet I have something out of my scope of vision
[8:35] <hifi> that looks like the headers of 3.10 don't have that anymore
[8:35] <hifi> or you need to include something
[8:36] <hifi> it isn't very surprising core APIs get changed
[8:36] <dsourcerer> They do, but this thing wasn't configured in foundation's kernel
[8:37] <dsourcerer> Anyway, I've just compiled new bright 3.10.32+
[8:37] <dsourcerer> Let's see how it'll work
[8:37] <hifi> just going to say you might have had easier luck compiling on the device itself just the module with proper headers
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[8:37] <hifi> cross-compiling is tedious
[8:38] <hifi> if the module is rather small compile time doesn't really matter either
[8:38] <dsourcerer> hifi: I know really lot about cross-compiling
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[8:39] <dsourcerer> I'm one who cross-compiled tons of C stuff to KolibriOS, which isn't unix-compatible at all
[8:39] <dsourcerer> And my previoud cross-compiled kernel worked just fine...
[8:39] <hifi> I don't doubt that
[8:40] <hifi> it's just rather useless to compile the whole kernel for one module if you can get away with just the headers
[8:40] <hifi> for added bonus could be .deb packaged
[8:40] <hifi> dkms built on-the-fly for new releases
[8:41] <hifi> creating custom kernels puts more burden into upgrading, you most definitely know that
[8:41] <dsourcerer> hifi: hm, well, if it won't work this time, I'll switch to raspbian kernels :)
[8:41] <dsourcerer> Yup, we've lost 30 raspberry installs during previous kernel update.... It wasn't my mistake though :)
[8:41] <dsourcerer> Just mistype
[8:41] <hifi> the raspbian kernel packages are packaged 1-to-1 like debian packages so even pulling such module source package from debian if it exists could be a drop in
[8:42] <hifi> raspbian kernels are debian kernels + foundation patches
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[8:44] <dsourcerer> Yay, it boots!
[8:46] <dsourcerer> What the heck >_<
[8:46] <dsourcerer> Ah
[8:46] <dsourcerer> forgot to modprobe usbserial
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[8:50] <dsourcerer> Well, no success. It could be a bug in my port of moxa module to 3.10 (I sure it is!), but I'm switching to official kernel
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[9:04] <jammy_> hi
[9:05] <jammy_> Which SDK i want to installed in raspbian os on raspberry pi
[9:06] <jammy_> becaus i want to develop an video app
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[9:06] <jammy_> Gstreamer , gtk+ ..
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[9:12] <jammy_> Can any give solution to me
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[9:18] <gnarface> jammy_: the "SDK" packages are the ones named with "-dev" at the end
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[9:19] <jammy_> Which SDK i want to installed in raspbian os on raspberry pi
[9:19] <dsourcerer> Oh wow. I just installed linux-image-3.10-3-rpi package, and this package added vmlinuz-3.10-3-rpi and initrd to my /boot folder, but didn't changed kernel.img. Is it okay?
[9:20] <hifi> yes, it doesn't do that automatically
[9:20] <dsourcerer> hifi: what should I do then?
[9:20] <hifi> you need to manually make a copy the kernel image to kernel.img or use config.txt to boot the named kernel
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[9:21] <dsourcerer> okay; my previous kernel didn't used any initrd; do I need to write something in config.txt?
[9:21] <hifi> no
[9:21] <hifi> the initrd is useless
[9:21] <dsourcerer> hahah
[9:21] <dsourcerer> lol
[9:21] <dsourcerer> thank you
[9:21] <hifi> all the required stuff is built-in
[9:22] <hifi> and all kernel modules are installed separately, the initrd image is just... useless
[9:22] <jammy_> i am trying to install gstreamer on raspbian os
[9:22] <hifi> but it's a debian kernel so it reflects debian config
[9:23] <jammy_> bcz i can develop an app in that sdk
[9:23] <gnarface> jammy_: apt-cache search ^gstreamer
[9:23] <jammy_> its c code only
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[9:24] <jammy_> what is that command
[9:24] <gnarface> it will list a bunch of gstreamer packages
[9:25] <jammy_> sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0
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[9:26] <gnarface> jammy_: that will only install runtime libraries. you asked for the "SDK" which would be the package with -dev at the end
[9:26] <jammy_> k
[9:27] <gnarface> jammy_: probably it is libgstreamer1.0-dev
[9:27] <gnarface> or 0.10, whatever version the pi has
[9:27] <gnarface> just make sure it matches the version of the runtime library package you install
[9:28] <jammy_> model b version 2
[9:28] <jammy_> 512 mb ram
[9:28] <jammy_> http://docs.gstreamer.com/display/GstSDK/Home
[9:29] <gnarface> i think you misunderstood me. i did not ask you which version of the pi you have.
[9:30] <dsourcerer> Fine; now I'm sure bug is in my port of MOXA driver
[9:30] <dsourcerer> So I have to go to eat some food and think a bit
[9:30] <jammy_> http://docs.gstreamer.com/display/GstSDK/Installing+on+Linux
[9:31] <jammy_> ur gd name
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[9:46] <dan408_> hi
[9:46] <dan408_> does anyone know who owns the raspbian mate image?
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[9:57] <jammy_> Hi
[9:59] <Xiguanda> wenos dias a tod@s
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[10:19] <dsourcerer> Oh wow! MOXA just send me recent version of their driver...
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[10:44] <dsourcerer> Hey guys! It's success! I got 3.10-3-rpi kernel working fine with my MOXA Uport
[10:44] <dsourcerer> Now I have to do something fun
[10:44] <hifi> what was the key?
[10:44] <hifi> doing what I said or just the opposite? :p
[10:44] <dsourcerer> hifi: Call to MOXA and say "Gimme that freaking driver NOW~!"
[10:44] <hifi> rarely works
[10:45] <dsourcerer> They gave me unpublished version; I had to fix it by hand, but it was really easy
[10:45] <dsourcerer> They answered me in 30 minutes or so
[10:45] <dsourcerer> Just cool
[10:45] <dsourcerer> But
[10:45] <dsourcerer> Now I need my custom w1-gpio module
[10:46] <dsourcerer> I don't sure, but it seems that Dallas w1-gpio driver is compiled into raspbian kernel
[10:46] <dsourcerer> I'm not sure*
[10:49] <dsourcerer> And I want to use my custom w1-gpio... :(
[10:49] <dsourcerer> How do I do this?
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[11:18] <jammy_> which tool i want to install in raspbian os to develop app
[11:20] <hifi> is this guy a broken record?
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[11:22] <jammy_> either gtk or Gstreamer
[11:22] <gnarface> i don't think his english is very good, so he just ignores the 75% of responses that he doesn't understand
[11:23] <hifi> still quite persistent, given it's been two weeks or so
[11:23] <gnarface> there is probably a debian channel for his native language that would give him the information he actually needs, but they'd just haze him for using a raspberry pi
[11:26] <dsourcerer> Well. I just compiled w1-gpio module on my raspberry pi, and... #insmod w1-gpio.ko says "Error: could not insert module w1-gpio.ko: No such device"
[11:26] <dsourcerer> What the hay?
[11:26] <jammy_> i am fully confued
[11:26] <jammy_> so that only i posted
[11:29] <dsourcerer> Oh wow. lsmod says I have "wire" and "w1-therm" modules; so I did modprobe -r w1-therm and modprobe -r wire; then I did insmod w1-gpio.ko again, and it says "Error: could not insert module w1-gpio.ko: Unknown symbol in module" now. Same module
[11:31] <dsourcerer> It uses functions from w1_int.c
[11:37] <gnarface> jammy_: its apparent that you are confused, but your questions have been answered repeatedly. ignoring the answers you don't understand then just asking the same question again a few minutes later isn't the right way to get unconfused
[11:39] <jammy_> k
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[11:49] <jammy_> yesterday some body mention about gtk tool
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[11:49] <jammy_> to develop app on that
[11:50] <gnarface> yes, gtk is a common tool for widgets (like buttons, windows menus) but you'll need something else for video too
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[11:50] <dsourcerer> Guuuys :( I need your help
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[11:51] <dsourcerer> I'm trying to compile w1-gpio as module, but it seems some kernel modules aren't correctly loaded
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[11:55] <gnarface> jammy_: its a bit beyond my area of expertise, but for a video app you probably want to use a combination of libraries, like gtk, gstreamer, and omxil
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[12:00] <dsourcerer> Well
[12:00] <dsourcerer> My bad
[12:00] <dsourcerer> Wrong w1-gpio file
[12:01] <dsourcerer> But now I recompiled w1-gpio, and "Error: could not insert module w1-gpio.ko: No such device"
[12:01] <dsourcerer> What to do? :(
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[12:10] <dsourcerer> Anyone? Do rpi-3.10-3 kernel has one-wire support?
[12:14] <jammy_> Thanks
[12:18] <rozie> dsourcerer: you have problably kernel source in /boot/config... file
[12:18] <rozie> s/source/config/
[12:20] <gnarface> jammy_: you have many options
[12:20] <gnarface> jammy_: but for video on the pi to be fast enough, i'm pretty sure you need libomxil
[12:20] <gnarface> jammy_: the rest there are many options
[12:20] <gnarface> jammy_: you could use qt instead of gtk
[12:20] <gnarface> jammy_: you could use libav instead of gstreamer
[12:21] <gnarface> jammy_: (not that you'd necessarily want to, my point is just that you have many options)
[12:21] <jammy_> qt is in c++
[12:21] <gnarface> oh it only can be used with c++? i didn't know that
[12:21] <gnarface> well gtk is a good choice then
[12:22] <jammy_> gtk and gstreamer
[12:22] <jammy_> both are in c oonly
[12:22] <gnarface> you need libomxil for the video hardware acceleration of the pi
[12:22] <themill> there are qt bindings for lots of other languages too -- python being a popular set
[12:23] <gnarface> themill: he's previously stated the assignment has to be done in C
[12:23] <gnarface> themill: (he's been here for a while trying to get past a language barrier)
[12:23] <gnarface> in more ways than one...
[12:24] <themill> ah. ick.
[12:24] <jammy_> which is better among two for begineers
[12:24] <jammy_> either gtk or gstreamer
[12:24] <gnarface> you will need them both if you need to play video
[12:24] <gnarface> gtk can't play video
[12:24] <gnarface> if your app doesn't need buttons, you don't need gtk though
[12:25] <gnarface> themill: gtk can't play video on its own right?
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[12:25] <jammy_> first i want to play video
[12:25] <jammy_> in my app
[12:26] <themill> I've never done any gtk programming. never wanted to touch it
[12:27] <gnarface> jammy_: then you should start with gstreamer or libav first, you only need gtk if you need buttons and menus
[12:27] <jammy_> for front end
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[12:27] <gnarface> yea for the front-end i guess you'd call it
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[12:30] <jammy_> how to start with libav
[12:31] <gnarface> jammy_: probably its best to start with this: "apt-get update && apt-get install libav-doc"
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[12:31] <dsourcerer> rozie: yup
[12:32] <gnarface> jammy_: then when it finishes, read stuff in /usr/share/doc/libav-doc/
[12:32] <dsourcerer> w1_master_gpio is not set
[12:32] <dsourcerer> What's next?
[12:32] <jammy_> in that location doc is there
[12:33] <gnarface> yes
[12:33] <gnarface> jammy_: yes, that's where the documentation is
[12:33] <dsourcerer> I'm compiling w1-gpio.c by hands using simple makefile
[12:34] <jammy_> in that doc which files i want to read to develop an video app
[12:34] <dsourcerer> And I do have w1-gpio.ko after this. But it says "no such device"
[12:35] <gnarface> jammy_: i don't know for sure i have not looked, but there should be some html files, according to the package description
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[12:36] <gnarface> jammy_: also, read anyfile with "README" in the file name
[12:36] <jammy_> i want to write the code in c only
[12:37] <gnarface> i understand that
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[12:39] <gnarface> jammy_: libav is C, but the documentation is in html because its meant to be viewed with a web browser
[12:40] <jammy_> k
[12:40] <jammy_> any sample codes or app based on that
[12:42] <gnarface> jammy_: yes, try this: "apt-get source libav-tools"
[12:43] <jammy_> now i am using windows os
[12:43] * gnarface sighs
[12:44] <gnarface> jammy_: well that is unfortunate. perhaps you had better go here then instead: https://libav.org/
[12:46] <jammy_> just i want to see the basic codes and sample app in that site
[12:46] <gnarface> well i'm sure you can find one if you look hard
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[12:54] <jammy_> sry
[12:54] <jammy_> i didnt find any sample codes on libav.org
[12:55] <gnarface> well don't expect me to know where they are
[12:55] <jammy_> k
[12:55] <jammy_> i will search
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[13:11] <dsourcerer> :(
[13:11] <dsourcerer> still no success. At least I can use 3.10 and MOXA
[13:11] <dsourcerer> but I really really need w1-gpio to use pin 25
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[13:13] <dsourcerer> Oh
[13:13] <dsourcerer> bcm2708.w1_gpio_pin=8
[13:14] <dsourcerer> bcm2708.w1_gpio_pin=25
[13:14] <dsourcerer> cool
[13:14] <dsourcerer> All I need is w1-gpio
[13:14] <dsourcerer> module
[13:14] <jammy_> https://libav.org/projects.html
[13:14] <jammy_> in this link tell some small video player apps
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[13:15] <pablog> Hello! I just wanted to notify that the repository bandwidth link from this page isn't working: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
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[13:41] <dsourcerer> hooray
[13:41] <dsourcerer> I got it working
[13:41] <dsourcerer> Thank you
[13:41] <dsourcerer> (\
[13:41] <dsourcerer> Thank you all!
[13:41] <dsourcerer> /)
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[21:37] <gomaaz> hi there
[21:37] <plugwash> hi
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[22:35] <user9876> hello, i have a question not strictly related to raspbian (that i'm using with success on another sd)
[22:35] <user9876> i'm trying "create" another sd (with a linux dis on this pc) BUT i cannot initialize/format another one and i don't understand if my pc is a sd killer or i wrong something:
[22:35] <user9876> if you need to start from zero with a sd (and you have any doubt about its working state) and with a linux distro, what would you do?
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> 'create'? WHat are you doing? What commands are you running?
[22:39] <user9876> hello dmesg |tail say to me that eg this one is an 8gb sd
[22:39] <user9876> [ 5694.211650] mmc1: new high speed SDHC card at address 0002
[22:39] <user9876> [ 5694.212034] mmcblk0: mmc1:0002 SD 7.64 GiB
[22:39] <user9876> but executing
[22:39] <user9876> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0
[22:40] <user9876> it ends always with a : 1050824704 byte (1,1 GB) copied
[22:40] <user9876> :(
[22:40] <sney> junk/broken sd card
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[22:41] <shiftplusone> sure you're not running dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 or something?
[22:41] <user9876> yes 'im sure
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[22:42] <user9876> now i change sd
[22:42] <shiftplusone> It's odd, but are you able to dd an image to it?
[22:43] <user9876> [ 6066.116566] mmc1: new high speed SD card at address 1234
[22:43] <user9876> [ 6066.116922] mmcblk0: mmc1:1234 SA02G 1.81 GiB
[22:43] <user9876> [ 6066.119767] mmcblk0:
[22:43] <user9876> and always
[22:43] <user9876> 1050824704 byte (1,1 GB)..
[22:44] <user9876> the working sd was builded with this pc and same distro
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[22:45] <user9876> really i cannot understand if this pc is a sd killer (i have an usb reader here but same results) or i wrong something
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[22:45] <user9876> IF you would like to test that , what would you do? :((((
[22:46] * shiftplusone wouldn't care about what dd says and see if the card actually works.
[22:47] <user9876> i have a working card, i'd like to build another one
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[23:08] <user9876> last test, i build a backup of the working sd, damaged it in a not working state with raspi and now i'm trying to restore
[23:09] <user9876> NOOOO always 1050824704 byte (1,1 GB)
[23:10] <user9876> what's pc distro are you using=
[23:10] <user9876> ?
[23:10] <user9876> sudo dd if=/home/backupname of=/dev/mmcblk0should works?
[23:11] <user9876> sudo dd if=/home/backupname of=/dev/mmcblk0
[23:11] <user9876> should works?
[23:11] <shiftplusone> assuming you got backupname by running dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/home/backupname
[23:12] <user9876> one moment
[23:14] <user9876> the backup command was:
[23:14] <user9876> sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/home/user/my_backupname bs=1M
[23:14] <shiftplusone> looks fine
[23:14] <user9876> and i used that user/name for the restore
[23:15] <shiftplusone> as long as the card you're copying it to has the same number of sectors or more, you should be fine.
[23:15] <user9876> the backup looks as a 7.9 gb one
[23:15] <user9876> i cannot understand WHY this pc writ always ONLY 1.1GB :(((
[23:16] <user9876> does not matter if i'm using a 2 or 4 or 8 gb sd card :(
[23:17] <user9876> i'll try with an ubuntu sd
[23:17] <user9876> ops
[23:17] <user9876> i'll try with an ubuntu cd live
[23:17] <user9876> should that works?
[23:18] <gnarface> it should, but that doesn't mean it will. i recommend debian live instead
[23:19] <user9876> ok
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[23:20] <user9876> 7 sd here, and i can write just 1.1gb (?) using the internal reader or using an external one
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[23:23] <user9876> gnarface, http://live.debian.net/ ?
[23:23] <gnarface> user9876: yes
[23:24] <user9876> thanks to you and to shiftplusone
[23:24] <user9876> tomoorow i'll try with it
[23:24] <user9876> tomorrow
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[23:25] <gnarface> user9876: this might be a better link to download images from (your link is to the project page) https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
[23:26] <gnarface> they both should have what you need, but this one might be easier to find it on
[23:26] <user9876> thanks
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[23:27] <user9876> i' trying now to wrinte on a 64mb sd card .. i'm curious to see if as well this one can be written just for 1.1gb..
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[23:29] <user9876> LOL :((
[23:30] <user9876> [ 8646.952948] mmc1: new high speed MMC card at address 0001
[23:30] <user9876> [ 8646.953332] mmcblk0: mmc1:0001 000000 61.2 MiB
[23:30] <user9876> [ 8646.955412] mmcblk0: p1
[23:30] <user9876> always
[23:30] <user9876> dd: scrittura di "/dev/mmcblk0": Spazio esaurito sul device
[23:30] <user9876> 2052393+0 record dentro
[23:30] <user9876> 2052392+0 record fuori
[23:30] <user9876> 1050824704 byte (1,1 GB)
[23:31] <user9876> tomorrow i'll try with the debian live
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