#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-03-19

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[3:55] <johncolombia> hi,
[3:55] <johncolombia> I'm having problems with my eth0 interface
[3:55] <johncolombia> I assigned a static IP
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[3:55] <johncolombia> but suddenly
[3:55] <johncolombia> the address information is lost
[3:56] <johncolombia> and I can not navigate and ssh access is lost
[3:56] <johncolombia> why this annoying behaviour is happening?
[3:57] <johncolombia> my /etc/network/interfaces has something like this
[3:57] <johncolombia> auto lo
[3:57] <johncolombia> iface lo ...
[3:57] <johncolombia> iface eth0 inet static
[3:57] <johncolombia> address
[3:57] <johncolombia> netmask
[3:57] <johncolombia> gateway
[3:57] <johncolombia> I rename /sbin/dhclient to /sbin/dhclient.orig
[3:58] <johncolombia> and dhclient-script to dhclient-script.orig
[3:59] <johncolombia> I am using raspbian 2013-09-25
[3:59] <johncolombia> I did try 2014-01-07 but I have similar problems
[4:00] <johncolombia> ok, thanks
[4:00] <johncolombia> good night
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[6:24] <OCpier> hi
[6:25] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[6:29] <OCpier> is everyone here pi'ing
[6:31] <OCpier> has anyone figured out the flash problem?
[6:35] <OCpier> gnash won't play flash video, but minimal kiosk browser 1.4 plays youtube through omxbox. Can Kiosk be upgraded to play any flash video or audio stream?
[6:36] <OCpier> omxplayer
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[6:38] <OCpier> rhythmbox and radio tray work on wheezy
[6:40] <OCpier> use http://radio-locator.com to find station .pls and .m3u If r-box or r-tray don't work, try mpc player
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[6:43] <OCpier> rasio tray doesn't clock the cpu as much as rhythmbox
[6:43] <OCpier> radio*
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[7:02] <shawnbon206> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst is this the recommended install method?
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[7:04] <hifi> if you want a clean minimal install, yes
[7:07] <shawnbon206> having problems getting wireless working with it. i cant figure out what i am missing
[7:07] <shawnbon206> wlan0 wont show up, does that suggest drivers?
[7:07] <hifi> did you do post install stuff
[7:08] <shawnbon206> yes
[7:09] <shawnbon206> on another pi i have the same edimax dongle and it "just works" on openelec
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[7:09] <hifi> lsmod shows lines?
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[7:10] <Bercik> Hi
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[7:11] <shawnbon206> i cant get it to boot anymore. i tried to install the noobs image then it wouldn't boot
[7:12] <shawnbon206> but when i checked lsmod before that i couldnt find anything that looked like its module
[7:12] <shawnbon206> and ifconfig shows only loopback and eth0
[7:12] <shawnbon206> then i tried installing firmware-realtek from the repo
[7:13] <shawnbon206> do i need to find the driver name and modprobe it manually?
[7:14] <shawnbon206> i installed fedora on my phone easier than this lol ( in a chroot)
[7:16] <OCpier> In the bootup, it says that something wasn't mounted properly and to run fsck. I ran it once, and it still shows up
[7:17] <shawnbon206> how are you rebooting?
[7:17] <OCpier> I reboot through the terminal, nut use the power icon to power off
[7:18] <OCpier> once, the power plug slipped out because of two things. The plug had a short and the case didn't let me plug it in all the way
[7:18] <OCpier> but*
[7:20] <OCpier> is there a browser that will play any flash stream through the omxplayer like Minimal Kiosk Browser?
[7:22] <OCpier> Kiosk will play youtube, but not really anything else
[7:22] <OCpier> i want to watch southparkstudios.com
[7:23] <OCpier> ARM says it supports flash 10.1, but I don't know how to get it to work
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[7:24] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[7:24] <OCpier> morn
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[7:45] <hifi> shawnbon206: if you did install the firmware package then lsmod should show some rows after you boot, indicating the modules exist
[7:45] <hifi> of course you could also check /lib/modules for your running kernel version
[7:45] <shawnbon206> lsmod was empty
[7:46] <hifi> then you did probably did not do post install steps
[7:46] <hifi> -did
[7:46] <shawnbon206> i most certainly did,
[7:46] <shawnbon206> but now i know where to look
[7:47] <hifi> installing the kernel package and copying it in place are important
[7:47] <shawnbon206> yeah i just realized i forgot to do that part
[7:47] <shawnbon206> the copy
[7:47] <hifi> and just to be fair to everyone raspbian-ua-netinst is unofficial
[7:47] <shawnbon206> thanks!
[7:48] <shawnbon206> i dunno how i missed that
[7:48] <shawnbon206> lol
[7:48] <shawnbon206> i think i got distracted by apt-get
[7:49] <hifi> it would have not made much difference if the installer had same kernel
[7:49] <hifi> but the kernel has been updated so you were running installer kernel and had newer modules
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[8:30] <shawnbon206> thanks again hifi.
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[8:33] <hifi> np
[8:33] <hifi> did that solve it?
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[8:40] <OCpier> I figured out how to stream flash videos on r-pi
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[8:54] <OCpier> this is how to get flash videos from around the web to work on raspberry pi wheezy
[8:55] <OCpier> go to this address and install Minimal Kiosk Browser 1.4 and all the other required packages http://storyhub.actionaid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=40860
[8:56] <OCpier> once installed, open the minimal kiosk browser to it's default homepage and click the link Edit kwebhelper settings
[8:58] <OCpier> read the 1.4 changelog site at http://steinerdatenbank.de/software/kweb_changelog-1-4.html and scroll to the bottom
[9:00] <OCpier> change youtube_omxoptions = [] to youtube_omxoptions = omxoptions and save the file
[9:03] <OCpier> You need to be able to see the Javascript button in the upper right of the Minimal Kiosk Browser, so set the framebuffer numbers in /boot/config.txt to 960x720 and reboot
[9:06] <OCpier> now run the Minimal Kiosk Browser and click the Javascript button to enable javascript. Now go to your site that has a streaming flash video and click the play button to watch up to 1080p streaming flash videos with audio! Voila!
[9:06] <OCpier> Flash player for Raspberry Pi
[9:07] <OCpier> There's other settings in the 1.4 changelog for audio streams too
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[10:23] <hbn> are there any minimal raspbian derivatives suitable for servers (excluding all the GUI stuff)?
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> just install raspbian - it doesn't start X by default.
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> you can remove it.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> there is a netinst raspbian somewhere though, but I don't have a link to it. hifi is the chap behind it - he'll hopefully send a link if awake...
[10:27] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[10:30] <hbn> gordonDrogon: sure. I'm using it as-is, just prefer not to have unnecessary stuff installed.
[10:31] <hbn> hifi: thanks. That looks interesting. I'll take a look
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[10:37] <hbn> is there a sensible way to cross-compile Debian packages for armhf? I've tried adding the raspbian repo as an apt source to a i386 Debian Wheezy install, adding the armhf architecture and trying "apt-get build-deps --host-architecture armhf" for a package I'm trying to build, but it can't find autoconf. Is Qemu still the only way to go?
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[10:45] <ppq> there's a prebuilt compiler
[10:45] <ppq> git clone git://github.com/raspberrypi/tools.git
[10:45] <hbn> sure, I was using that
[10:45] <hbn> more an issue with installing dependencies
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[13:34] <zGrr> moin :)
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[13:42] <xzutzz> Hi guys. I just got a raspberry pi and am trying to make my wireless usb adapter work with it (D-LINK WPA-140). ifconfig and iwconfig do not list any wireless interface. lsusb lists the device as "Bus 001 Device 008: ID 2001:3c20 D-Link Corp." - As far as I can understand from this page: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb i need to do apt-get install firmware-ralink, and it should work, but it is already the newest version. Any sugges
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[13:47] <xzutzz> DWA-140 that is
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[14:07] <DexterF> hi
[14:08] <hifi> xzutzz: you might want to use raspbian kernel with that
[14:09] <DexterF> I need to time sync the Pi at boot time. I don't need it to act as an NTP server so I uninstalled the ntp package, installed ntpdate instead. it doe not sync, says in the logs : ntpdate[2005]: no server suitable for synchronization found all the time
[14:09] <DexterF> I already update the ntp.conf to use ntp[0..3].fau.de which are stratum 1 servers
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[14:21] <xzutzz> hifi: What do you mean, and how?
[14:22] <hifi> xzutzz: you probably have the foundation image which has foundation kernel
[14:22] <hifi> raspbian packages, like firmware-ralink, are meant for raspbian kernels (debian kernels)
[14:22] <hifi> it's not fun to switch kernels though
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[14:23] <xzutzz> hifi: Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #474 PREEMPT Thu Jun 13 17:14:42 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[14:24] <hifi> it's the foundation kernel, yes
[14:24] <hifi> if you're not very familiar with linux, I can't really recommend trying this if you have important stuff on your pi
[14:25] <hifi> but technically removing the foundation kernel packages with apt (don't remember which they are) and installing raspbian firmware and kernel packages and making sure kernel.img is the raspbian kernel and rebooting you could be set
[14:25] <xzutzz> hifi: I don't have anything important on it yet. Is it easier to make a fresh installation with the correct kernel? I just installed the "recommended" one when booting up the PI for the first time
[14:25] <hifi> the packages are linux-image-rpi-rpfv raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel which install raspbian packaged firmware and kernel
[14:26] <hifi> and you also need to 'cp /vmlinuz /boot/kernel.img' after installing them
[14:26] <hifi> if you're going to run a desktop, it's far easier to swap the kernel than to reinstall
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[14:31] <xzutzz> hifi: I am not very familiar with linux, but I don't mind trying it out. Can apt be used to remove the foundation kernel packages aswell?
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[15:20] <DexterF> what bootloader does raspbian use? use one at all? in the classic way?
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[15:57] <ShadowJK> Afaik, and I could be wrong, there's small thing in rom that loads a binary blob from first partition on sd card int the GPU. The GPU then loads the kernel from SD into ram and starts the cpu?
[15:58] <sney> that sounds right
[15:58] <sney> it doesn't have a "bootloader" in the usual linux definition of that term
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[17:19] <fosser_josh> hi guys, did any one configured dual network in raspberry pi? is it possible to configure 2 ip addresses on single nic card?
[17:21] <gnarface> fosser_josh: this should not function fundamentally different than any other linux system
[17:22] <gnarface> fosser_josh: what you want to google for, i think is "ip aliases"
[17:23] <sney> or subinterfaces
[17:23] <fosser_josh> yes i got that. Well i actually wanted to as that can we add extra nic in rapberry pi ? does anyone did it?
[17:24] <sney> usb nics can be added...
[17:24] <gnarface> lots of people use a usb wifi device, fosser_josh
[17:25] <fosser_josh> sney: gnarface: yes i know usb wifi. But i was wondering about usb to ethernet compatibility.
[17:25] <sney> you can use those too as long as they have linux kernel support.
[17:25] <sney> most do
[17:26] <sney> the pi is not that special. if you have a usb device that works in linux, and you can deliver enough power, it'll work on the pi to
[17:26] <fosser_josh> sney: yeah thanks
[17:29] <gnarface> fosser_josh: note that in some cases, delivering enough power *can* be an issue
[17:29] <gnarface> fosser_josh: the usb ports on the pi can't provide full usb-spec power. for some types of devices you may need to plug them through an externally-powered usb hub
[17:29] <gnarface> though i'd not expect that to be a problem with most regular ethernet devices
[17:30] <gnarface> its often an intermittent problem for some wifi devices and almost certainly a problem for things like video capture devices
[17:30] <gnarface> or tv tuners
[17:30] <fosser_josh> gnarface: yeah thats what i am trying to find out. that did someone tried this and which one they used. anyway i am trying to find it
[17:31] <gnarface> fosser_josh: any usb hub that has a dedicated external power supply *should* work
[17:31] <gnarface> fosser_josh: this can be useful for usb harddrive enclosures as well
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[17:32] <fosser_josh> gnarface: i am trying to avoid extra external devices. I am looking which can directly work with board. usb to ethernet will be fine or something i can attach on board.
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[17:54] <Dagger> how do I go about recompiling the raspbian kernel with a few config options changed? I tried `apt-get source linux-image-3.10-3-rpi` -> `cd linux-3.10-3.10.11/debian/build/build_armhf_none_rpi/ && make menuconfig` -> `dpkg-buildpackage`, and I get a working kernel but it doesn't seem to have my config changes
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[18:10] <gnarface> Dagger: you made config changes in menuconfig? did you remember to save them on exit?
[18:19] <Dagger> I believe so... although, uh, looking at menuconfig right now it doesn't have my changes
[18:19] <Dagger> I'll just try again...
[18:21] <gnarface> Dagger: though, it should be noted i've never used dpkg-buildpackage on the kernel source package; something in the package rules could in theory replace your custom configurations with the "stock" debian kernel config&patches
[18:21] <Dagger> that's what I'm worried about. what's the right way to compile it?
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[18:22] <sney> make deb-pkg
[18:22] <gnarface> Dagger: i think that one alternative would be to use make-kpkg to build the kernel package instead of dpkg-buildpackage, but i think the "right" way would be to look in the ./debian directory and if it is indeed loading a pre-packaged config, change the config and make a changelog entry
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[18:23] <sney> don't use make-kpkg, it's deprecated since 2.6.3x
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[18:23] <sney> make deb-pkg is how the "real" debian kernel packages are made
[18:23] <gnarface> sney: still works...
[18:23] <gnarface> Dagger: hang on i got a link ...
[18:23] <Dagger> so many different ways to build Debian packages. :/
[18:24] <sney> gnarface: lots of things that are deprecated still work, that's not really a justification to keep hanging on to something that's been replaced. especially in this case where the new method requires no knowledge of a special tool
[18:27] <gnarface> sney: note that i mentioned there is also a "right" way
[18:27] <sney> nod
[18:27] <sney> sorry, it's a #debian pet peeve of mine
[18:28] <gnarface> sney: i'm trying desperately to figure out which page of the nmg i used to figure out how to do this but unfortunately its really not organized in a manner helpful to this type of instruction
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[18:30] <sney> gnarface: fwiw, the kernel packaging guidelines are in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
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[18:31] <gnarface> Dagger: well, it seems like it should be https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html, but i feel like i figured it out from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html actually. if you make a change to the right file in ./debian/ then try to build it with dpkg-buildpackage it will actually exit out and tell you there are unregistered changes. then you can i think just use dch (it wi
[18:31] <gnarface> ll actually in the error message the exact command) to add a changelog entry and update the version/revision number... then it should work and incorporate your config change
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[18:32] <gnarface> sney: ah, i did not know about this. does it mention in there somewhere how to properly apply local changes?
[18:33] <gnarface> sney: i have been going entirely on the nmg and interpreting errors given by dpkg-buildpackage itself
[18:34] <sney> it probably does, though I haven't read it in detail recently
[18:35] <gnarface> Dagger: you can also actually add a patch and have it auto-apply through quilt as it describes too, but that hasn't been necessary for me in the past, just as long as there is a changelog entry
[18:36] <Dagger> http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s4.2.3 seems like it's the right thing
[18:36] <Dagger> but then the instructions for building are unclear and look insane
[18:37] <Dagger> seems like it's telling me to poke around inside the build system and run random internal commands just to build it
[18:37] <Dagger> which you'd think is what dpkg-buildpackage would be for!
[18:38] <sney> dpkg-buildpackage/debuild are what you use for pretty much every other kind of packaging, but kernels have always been special
[18:38] <gnarface> well, i do know that other than signing the actual package, basically the primary thing dpkg-buildpackage does is run the scripts in ./debian/ so it makes some sense you could just execute them directly
[18:39] <gnarface> i think if you check the documentation for dpkg-buildpackage it says which scripts it runs and in what order
[18:39] <gnarface> its basically just a frontend for other functionality
[18:40] <gnarface> that does make the documentation really confusing for people who weren't present during the evolution of these tools though
[18:40] <gnarface> i've struggled a lot with basic functionality and eventually upon figuring out how to do it wondered "why the hell didn't they just say it that way??"
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[18:42] <Jonny007-MKD> Hello. Where can I remove the banner when I log in with SSH and why is the logging in task asking me for a sudo password?
[18:42] <sney> as I said to someone in #debian-mentors earlier today, the weight of all the debian package-building docs might help discourage people who aren't committed to doing a good job
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[18:44] <Dagger> sney: "might"
[18:44] <gnarface> sney: that's an easy to assume motivation, and one i suspected outright initially upon my first passthrough of the nmg, but the unfortunate truth is it also: 2) discourages people who *are* committed to doing a good job 3) makes debian look disorganized and poorly thought out to business leadership
[18:44] <Dagger> every time I try to figure this out, I end up with five different "the way to build a debian package"s
[18:44] <sney> true, though we do keep an irc channel and a mailing list to help people figure it out
[18:45] <sney> I'm a packaging newbie too and I relied pretty heavily on irc to get it right
[18:45] <gnarface> sney: and 4) actually adds insult to injury by actually *causing* people who would otherwise DO a good job, to do a poor job via not understanding what they were supposed to do, its that obfuscated
[18:45] <sney> there's a learning curve, though it does plateau
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[18:45] <sney> also, there's a packaging tutorial and a powerpoint-style walkthrough... they could stand to be more visible though I guess
[18:46] <Dagger> it doesn't help that there's a bunch of outdated blogs out there, but still... I'm looking at the blogs because the official documentation is dense and really not clear
[18:46] <sney> outdated blogs are nobody's fault except the blogger's
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[18:46] <gnarface> sney: the irc channel would be a lot more defensible as a primary support methodology if the ops didn't consider its primary purpose to be a playground where they can freely be dicks to people in an unprofessional manner
[18:46] <Jonny007-MKD> Where can I remove the banner of dropbear?
[18:47] <sney> gnarface: I have not experienced this in #debian-mentors. are you sure you're talking about the right channel? or are you thinking of #debian-devel? plus, there's only one op I can think of who's consistently a curmudgeon
[18:47] <gnarface> sney: that will never sell to business. though i realize that's not in any way debian's primary goal, it nonetheless hurts the adoption rate compared to really horrendous stuff like centos, gentoo and ubuntu
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[18:48] <gnarface> sney: its possible my experiences have painted the whole canvas the same color
[18:48] <sney> it's possible.
[18:48] <sney> I wouldn't call centos horrendous. it works really well for that use case
[18:49] <sney> Jonny007-MKD: dropbear's docs will surely tell you that. I haven't used dropbear personally so I don't know
[18:49] <Dagger> ok, my config changes are definitely in debian/build/build_armhf_none_rpi/.config, and I'm going to try building with "debian/rules binary"
[18:49] <Dagger> since that's what the kernel handbook says
[18:49] <gnarface> sney: maybe centos has improved. for some reason, even my recent experiences with it continue to be entirely with some old release from 2006 that i didn't like even then.
[18:49] <Dagger> I'll report back in 20 minutes~22 hours, depending on how long this takes
[18:50] <sney> Dagger: closer to the latter I'm afraid
[18:50] <shawnbon206> guys is it possible to have both wlan0 and eth0 working at the same time by editing /etc/network/interfaces ? i am doing a headless install and then switching over to wifi, if i make a mistake i will have to plug it back into eth0 to fix it
[18:50] <gnarface> Dagger: good luck
[18:50] <Dagger> sney: for a full build. I didn't `make clean` or whatever the right way to do that is, and I have ccache, so hopefully less
[18:50] <shawnbon206> either that or reinstall from the beginning. i am following this guide: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
[18:50] <sney> gnarface: well, yeah, that use case is one where extremely extended support is a good idea. so, a release from 2006 or earlier that hasn't been EOL'ed yet is a common kind of Centos to find
[18:50] <gnarface> shawnbon206: can't see why not. you having problems with it?
[18:51] <sney> Centos/RHEL are still giving it security updates so it's still ok for production. no objection from me.
[18:51] <shawnbon206> gnarface: yes the wifi i have using tkip aes not sure what options to use
[18:51] <Dagger> my experience with #debian on this network is that asking a question about Debian's software is a really, really bad idea if the software happens to be running on a non-Debian distro
[18:51] <shawnbon206> it says on the modem wpa/wpa2, but which one to use?
[18:51] <shawnbon206> so i am going through it trail and error
[18:52] <sney> whichever one you're actually using. the modem supports both but only one will be enabled, check your modem's configuration
[18:52] <gnarface> sney: maybe i see it often misused, with a lot of extra-distro software bolted on (not even packaged)
[18:52] <Dagger> that's somewhat understandable, but still: if that's anything to go on, I expect any questions about rebuilding Raspbian packages in #debian-mentors/devel to be answered with "bugger off and ask them, we won't help"
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[18:53] <gnarface> shawnbon206: you want to use wpa2 assuming your hardware supports it (anything recently manufactured should)
[18:53] <gnarface> shawnbon206: wpa(1) is really only these days for getting the most possible security out of old 802.11b hardware
[18:53] <sney> Dagger: the "no based-on-debians allowed" rule has a really long history and several very good reasons for existing. I always do my best to be patient with people breaking it, since they probably didn't know that rule existed, but it does get tiresome when you see the exact same excuses over and over as to why this person should be an exception
[18:54] <shawnbon206> oh so it is probally default on wpa2. its a technicolor comcast router/modem combo. POS.
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[18:54] <sney> some other helpers are less patient, and that's their problem, I guess. but best practice is still to go to the correct channel for your distro, so you don't get messed up with cross-distro differences.
[18:54] <shawnbon206> not mine, a person i am helping setup a wake-on-lan server on a pi
[18:55] <Jonny007-MKD> sney: Thanks! I edited the DROPBEAR_BANNER in /etc/default/dropbear but it still is showing the disclaimer
[18:55] <sney> Dagger: as for -mentors, no, they will generally help with any packaging questions, even for stuff outside of debian or for new derivatives etc. and -devel is not a support channel.
[18:55] <gnarface> shawnbon206: i would on principle go over its web based config interface with a fine-tooth comb. its typically NOT safe to assume such devices default to "most secure" configuration
[18:55] <shawnbon206> you guys are awesome btw, i apreciate the chat :)
[18:55] <sney> Jonny007-MKD: does it run a daemon? have you restarted that?
[18:56] <Jonny007-MKD> sney: Yes
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[18:58] <Jonny007-MKD> I have restarted the RasPi several times in the meantime ;)
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[19:00] <Dagger> sney: and it's not like I don't grok the reasons, but still
[19:01] <Dagger> if -mentors is better then that pulls the bottom out of that complaint anyway
[19:01] <sney> yeah, I know. I hope some day my example of not being an arse to someone using lubuntu who doesn't know any better will take hold on some of the other helpers
[19:02] <sney> there's a few of us who make an attempt to be civil. I don't like that reputation of #debian people as big meanies
[19:03] <gnarface> its not just that they're mean. its that they can't take what they dish out either.
[19:03] <gnarface> if it was at least fair it wouldn't have to be civil
[19:03] <sney> eh, that's kind of absurd though. it's a support resource. civil should be default
[19:04] <gnarface> oh, i agree with you, make no mistake about that
[19:04] <sney> even if the thing they're saying is "look, we explained this to you 5 times already, you're in the wrong place and we aren't going to help you because it's the rule"
[19:04] <gnarface> but now we're offtopic for *here*
[19:04] * sney shrug
[19:04] <sney> this is basically a dev channel. #raspberrypi has enough rules for both of us
[19:05] <sney> Jonny007-MKD: anything notable in /usr/share/doc/dropbear/README.Debian ?
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[19:08] <Jonny007-MKD> seems like dropbear has no docs in raspbian...
[19:08] <Jonny007-MKD> anyway I think I found it: /etc/motd
[19:08] <gnarface> that isn't part of dropbear
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[19:09] <Jonny007-MKD> Thats what I also found out when I googled the text ;) But who is printing it? sh?
[19:09] <gnarface> ssh probably, but maybe bash
[19:10] <gnarface> oh, actually no, its pam that prints it
[19:10] <Jonny007-MKD> My next problem is that SSH asks for root password (sudo) when I'm logging in. It doesn't matter when I cancel this, though
[19:10] <gnarface> that's weird, it shouldn't do that
[19:10] <Jonny007-MKD> in .bashrc and .bash_profile no sudo appears (except in alias definitions)
[19:10] <gnarface> incidentally, sudo is asking for YOUR password not the root password
[19:10] <Jonny007-MKD> Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
[19:10] <Jonny007-MKD> permitted by applicable law.
[19:10] <Jonny007-MKD> [sudo] password for root:
[19:10] <Jonny007-MKD> pi@raspbmc:~$
[19:11] <gnarface> hmm
[19:11] <Jonny007-MKD> No, I told sudo to ask in the first place and to ask for the root password
[19:11] <gnarface> are you logging in AS root?
[19:11] <Jonny007-MKD> no, as pi :)
[19:11] <gnarface> if not, then whatever is executing that sudo password is executing it as root
[19:11] <gnarface> sudo *command* i mean
[19:12] <gnarface> something is executing a sudo command on all logins as root
[19:12] <gnarface> its probably also pam... but why?
[19:12] <Jonny007-MKD> thats my question :) and how can i disable it?
[19:12] <gnarface> a better question is how it got there in the first place
[19:13] <Jonny007-MKD> even better :D
[19:13] <gnarface> is there anything in /run/motd.dynamic ?
[19:13] <Jonny007-MKD> there is no motd stuff in /run/
[19:14] <gnarface> lets see, maybe /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc ?
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[19:14] <gnarface> or maybe a file in /etc/profile.d
[19:14] <gnarface> maybe even /etc/login.defs
[19:15] <gnarface> what did you install? is this just a stock image from raspberrypi.org?
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[19:16] <Jonny007-MKD> Yes. Well, I already have installed some software, but I haven't changed the login process (except my own .bashrc, but I use that on an Debian server as well)
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[19:17] <gnarface> something might have been linked to pam in theory
[19:17] <gnarface> seems like pretty bad behavior to me though
[19:17] <Jonny007-MKD> Mar 19 19:42:52 Grey dropbear[10233]: Pubkey auth succeeded for 'pi' with key md5 c2:4d:2...
[19:17] <Jonny007-MKD> Mar 19 19:42:57 Grey sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed
[19:17] <Jonny007-MKD> Mar 19 19:42:57 Grey sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for [root]
[19:17] <Jonny007-MKD> I think you're correct. Thats auth.log
[19:18] <gnarface> try this: grep -rni 'sudo' /etc/pam.d
[19:18] <gnarface> (as root)
[19:18] <Jonny007-MKD> nothing found
[19:19] <gnarface> hmmm
[19:20] <gnarface> a brief googling for that error message suggests there is a problem with your /etc/sudoers file
[19:22] <Jonny007-MKD> Defaults env_reset,rootpw
[19:22] <Jonny007-MKD> root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:22] <Jonny007-MKD> pi ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:22] <Jonny007-MKD> Defaults env_keep += "RPI_UPDATE_UNSUPPORTED"
[19:22] <Jonny007-MKD> Thats all in there (+ 1 shutdown alias)
[19:24] <gnarface> hmm
[19:24] <shawnbon206> en_US.UTF-8 is the locale for us yankees?
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[19:25] <gnarface> shawnbon206: for utf, yea probably
[19:25] <Jonny007-MKD> gnarface: sudo is still working
[19:26] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: i'm confused and alarmed that on login something is trying to run sudo commands, but "ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" instead of "ALL=(ALL) ALL" should stop it from asking you for the password...
[19:27] <Jonny007-MKD> I know, but I want it to ask for the password ;)
[19:27] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: logic suggests that something you installed is what is trying to do this, though i can't be sure because i'm not super familiar with the pre-configured images from raspberrypi.org
[19:28] <Dagger> try `grep -rni 'sudo' /etc ~/.*`?
[19:28] <Jonny007-MKD> gnarface: Can I somehow increase log level to find out?
[19:28] <Dagger> will probably give quite a few unrelated results, but apart from that
[19:28] <sney> I know blogs and things often encourage people to put 'sudo' commands in /etc/rc.local as a lazy way of adding something to startup
[19:29] <gnarface> sney: but this is on login....
[19:29] <sney> oh, indeed
[19:30] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: in theory...
[19:31] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: anything show up in /root/.bash_history ?
[19:31] <Jonny007-MKD> Dagger: nothing relevent found
[19:32] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: one would expect that in a fair world, whatever you installed would have mentioned this in its setup docs
[19:32] <Jonny007-MKD> gnarface: No, nothing in there :(
[19:33] <Jonny007-MKD> gnarface: I don't know which program should exec sudo at login...
[19:34] <Dagger> replace sudo with a binary that prints its parent process id, then sleeps
[19:34] <Dagger> binary/script
[19:34] <Jonny007-MKD> Oh, here, when I enter the password at login:
[19:34] <Jonny007-MKD> Mar 19 20:37:41 Grey sudo: pi : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/pi ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/sh /scripts/configure-pi-user.sh
[19:34] <Dagger> there's probably a better approach, but that ought to give you some more info
[19:35] <Dagger> ...ah, of course, sudo essentially sleeps for you anyway
[19:36] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: that looks suspiciously like some of the foundation's customization
[19:36] <Jonny007-MKD> It is in /home/pi/.profile
[19:36] <gnarface> i thought you looked in those files already?
[19:36] <Jonny007-MKD> Haven't looked in this one :( What is the difference to .bashrc anyway?
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[19:37] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: .bashrc is usually called by .profile (or .bash_profile, or .login... it can have several names)
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[19:38] <Jonny007-MKD> Oh. I DO know .bash_profile -.-
[19:38] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: basically the difference is that .bashrc is also used for non-login scripts. i'm sorry i really thought you had said you'd already checked your ~/.profile
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[19:39] <Jonny007-MKD> And i'm sorry for wasting your time! I did `grep 'sudo' ~/.bash*` and found nothing
[19:39] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: i don't use the foundation's pre-configured raspbian images so i'm not really familiar with their customizations
[19:40] <gnarface> yea, bash's multiple optional names for the login scripts can be confusing and annoying
[19:40] <Jonny007-MKD> gnarface: So you would get a plain debian armhf image?
[19:40] <Jonny007-MKD> gnarface: can i simply rename .profile to .bash_profile? :)
[19:41] <gnarface> yes, you can
[19:41] <gnarface> and no, i would use one of these: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
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[19:42] <gnarface> (probably https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst today)
[19:42] <Jonny007-MKD> Thanks for your help, gnarface! And Dagger and sney also :)
[19:43] <gnarface> no problem, good luck
[19:43] <Jonny007-MKD> Does the Raspbian Installer doesn't start up with SSH? Or do I have to have a monitor and keyboard
[19:44] <gnarface> uh, hifi's installer can be used without a monitor&keyboard
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[19:44] <gnarface> its the recommended approach these days. the debian-style installer sortof got abandoned
[19:45] <Jonny007-MKD> hifi's installer really looks nice :)
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[19:46] <gnarface> yes, its just what we needed really
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[19:55] <Jonny007-MKD> would you disadvise moving apt-get sources to jessie? I want/need to have a newer version of ffmsindex.
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[20:01] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: i don't know what jessie's status is currently. that might be a better question for plugwash. all i can say is: if you try jessie, make a full backup *first* so you can go back to it if necessary but definitely try to backport the package in lieu of that if you have the time
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[20:04] <Jonny007-MKD> I have tried compiling it myself, but it wants a newer version of ffmpeg which definitely has to much dependencies :D
[20:05] <Jonny007-MKD> A few days ago I made an image of my sd card and upgraded to jessie. But dpkg was not able to configure "console-setup".
[20:06] <gnarface> bummer
[20:07] <gnarface> well backporting is a pain for sure
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[20:07] <gnarface> if you run into dependencies missing in raspbian wheezy, all you can do is try to first backport them and then try for the best
[20:08] <gnarface> the process isn't fundamentally different from debian. if you go into #debian and /msg dpkg ssb it will give you information
[20:08] <Jonny007-MKD> mhm.
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[20:09] <Jonny007-MKD> This sounds quite good :)
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[20:10] <gnarface> obviously the part about "check the backports repo first" is irrelevant as there is not currently a backports repo for raspbian, but the rest should work basically the same
[20:11] <Jonny007-MKD> :D
[20:12] <Jonny007-MKD> but wouldnt it be possible to install it from the debian backports repo?
[20:12] <gnarface> no, wrong architecture
[20:13] <gnarface> i mean, it would probably be possible to install it, but it wouldn't actually work
[20:13] <Jonny007-MKD> oh ok. Are there no ARM packages in Debian?
[20:14] <gnarface> no no, they are ARM but "ARM" is not specific enough
[20:14] <Jonny007-MKD> oh. armhf? ^^
[20:14] <plugwash> Jonny007-MKD, can you be specific about the problems you were having with jessie?
[20:14] <gnarface> plugwash: he said console-setup was not able to configure
[20:15] <plugwash> gnarface, sure but with what error?
[20:15] <Jonny007-MKD> I got the debconf screen to select a locale and then it was stuck
[20:16] <plugwash> debian armhf packages have minimum CPU requirements too high to run on the Pi, that is why raspbian exists in the first place
[20:16] <gnarface> Jonny007-MKD: so here's the deal as i understand it: debian "armel" is ARMv6 (without hardware float support, which will "work" in raspbian but be super slow, so you don't really want that) and debian "armhf" is ARMv7, which has hard float support but won't work at all because the raspberry pi is actually ARMv6 with hard float, not ARMv7
[20:16] <Jonny007-MKD> ahaaa
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[20:16] <plugwash> gnarface, your understanding needs fixing
[20:17] <gnarface> plugwash: please enlighten us
[20:17] <Jonny007-MKD> :D
[20:18] <plugwash> Debian armel is built for a minimum of armv4t using software floating point and the soft float abi. It can run on the Pi but cannot take anything like full advantage of it.
[20:19] <gnarface> plugwash: isn't that what i said except for the armv4 in place of armv6?
[20:19] <plugwash> And because it's a different abi armhf binaries can't use armel libraries of vice-versa, in principle they can be installed alongside each other using multiarch (much like amd64 and i386 packages can), whether doing so works in practice I don't know.
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[20:20] <gnarface> plugwash: oh, so in addition to what i said you can't actually run the debian armel packages inside raspbian because of binary incompatibility
[20:20] <gnarface> so he'd have to actually install debian armel entirely instead of raspbian, and it'd be *really* slow
[20:20] <Jonny007-MKD> :D
[20:20] <gnarface> ?
[20:21] <plugwash> Debian armhf packages and raspbian packages should be compatible with each other but because of the minimum CPU requirements the resulting mixture won't run on a Pi
[20:21] <paultag> (but it will on a proper armhf box)
[20:21] <paultag> Oh god, why do I haz op
[20:21] <gnarface> right
[20:21] <gnarface> thank you for the clarification plugwash
[20:22] <Jonny007-MKD> So Raspbian has do built its own armhf packages?
[20:22] <paultag> That's right; everything in Raspbian is lovingly rebuilt for the Pi
[20:23] <paultag> armhf is v7 minimum, pi is a v6 + hardfloat
[20:24] * gnarface isn't so sure about the "lovingly" part
[20:24] <Jonny007-MKD> :D
[20:24] <paultag> so we can't take armhf raw, since it's going to use parts of arm v7 that aren't on the pi, but we'd not be using the hardfloat if we use armel (v3 minimum iirc?)
[20:24] <paultag> hahaha
[20:24] <plugwash> stupid package build damn you..................
[20:25] <Jonny007-MKD> thanks for the clarification :)
[20:25] <paultag> totes mcgotes
[20:26] <plugwash> honestly given the size of debian i'm surprised how few failures we get
[20:26] <Jonny007-MKD> plugwash: did you notice my console-setup error?
[20:26] <plugwash> Jonny007-MKD, hmm, without a proper error message it's difficult to make any kind of start on determining what went wrong :(
[20:27] <Dagger> ok, so my kernel compile finished, and... still nope: https://p.6core.net/p/bJq98AUQ5rq7kY6AkokvncZb
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[20:27] <Dagger> the option is set in the .config file, and the timestamp on the .deb is updated, but still no module actually in it
[20:28] <Dagger> so I think either `debian/rules binary` doesn't do a build, or the build isn't using that config file
[20:28] <Jonny007-MKD> plugwash: excatly. googling "console-setup jessie" doesn't give anything :D
[20:28] <Jonny007-MKD> Is there some dpkg log or where can I find the debconf script (if there is one) to see where the problem is?
[20:28] <paultag> try dpkg-buildpackage
[20:28] <paultag> if it's arch indep it might not dtrt
[20:28] <gnarface> the initrd.img package isn't separate?
[20:29] <paultag> (dkms would be arch indep iirc)
[20:29] <paultag> particularly, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc # or so
[20:29] <Dagger> paultag: that's what I was doing before, with the same result
[20:29] <paultag> bummah. Have a build log?
[20:30] <Dagger> where's the log stored?
[20:30] <paultag> if you invoke debian/rules by hand, stdout :)
[20:30] <paultag> if you use pbuilder or sbuild, it writes out logfiles
[20:30] <Dagger> ah, no then
[20:30] <paultag> (you shouldn't invoke d/rules by hand)
[20:31] <Dagger> pbuilder? sbuild? /me cries
[20:31] <paultag> You don't have to use them
[20:31] <paultag> you can use dpkg-buildpackage
[20:31] <paultag> but don't invoke it by hand
[20:31] <paultag> if you do want the log, you can |tee it out
[20:31] <Dagger> http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s4.2.4 says "To build all possible packages for this architecture, run: $ fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[20:31] <paultag> and perhaps 2>&1 it or something
[20:31] <paultag> yeah no, don't do that
[20:31] <Dagger> but then a little while later it tells you to do `make deb-pkg`
[20:32] * gnarface feels Dagger's pain
[20:32] <gnarface> sney: are you getting all this?
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[20:32] <gnarface> its important that you read what just happened here
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[20:35] <Jonny007-MKD> thank you guys, youre great! have a nice evening
[20:35] <paultag> ♥
[20:36] <Dagger> paultag: so, `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc 2>&1 | tee build-log` should build a linux-image-*.deb using my .config file from debian/build/build_armhf_none_rpi/.config?
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[20:36] <Dagger> (-nc because I don't want to wait 22 hours for this, but it's not clear to me if I need to rebuild to make something in the build system pick up the new config file or not)
[20:37] <paultag> I'm not sure, I'm not slick enough with the kernel world
[20:37] <paultag> but that sounds sane, but that tripplet seems suspect
[20:37] <paultag> sec
[20:38] <paultag> Dagger: what's dpkg-architecture | grep DEB_BUILD # say
[20:38] <Dagger> it's the only folder in debian/build/ with armhf or rpi in the name
[20:38] <Dagger> paultag: https://p.6core.net/p/sRYlUhvM6JomWoQHcS1WKjHI
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[20:39] <paultag> hurm. Sounds like a plugwash question, since he knows this stuff
[20:39] <paultag> but arm-linux-gnueabihf sounds more like a triplet that I'd think would be used
[20:40] <plugwash> you are trying to build the kernel source package from raspbian?
[20:40] <plugwash> or something else?
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[20:43] <plugwash> the config fragment with the Pi specific settings in the raspbian kernel source packages is in debian/config/armhf/config.rpi
[20:44] <plugwash> afaict anything in debian/build is generated and will be blown away the next time you run dpkg-buildpackage
[20:44] <Dagger> plugwash: I... think so. I got the source by doing `apt-get source linux-image-3.10-3-rpi`
[20:46] <Dagger> of course the trusty Debian Linux Kernel Handbook also says to install linux-source-3.10 in 4.1 and 4.5
[20:47] <Dagger> despite telling me to use `apt-get source linux` in 4.2
[20:49] <Dagger> debian/config/armhf/config.rpi is only 180 lines, so that can't be the config the kernel is actually built against...
[20:49] <Dagger> I can try editing it and running dpkg-buildpackage (or whatever), but I guess I'll need a full rebuild at that point
[20:49] <plugwash> The package builds up the actual config from a series of template peices
[20:50] <plugwash> That one contains the Pi specific stuff
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[21:35] <Dagger> ok, so I'm trying editing debian/config/armhf/config.rpi and running dpkg-buildpackage. it seems to be compiling stuff, so I might be waiting for a while this time
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[22:52] <plugwash> hi
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