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[0:08] <pitchoilcan> #gmorgan
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[0:12] <nicekiwi> hey, how do I enable accelerated video? it didnt come enabled by default?
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[0:13] <pitchoilcan> hello all
[0:13] <pitchoilcan> Can I run gmorgan on a raspberry Pi?
[0:13] <pitchoilcan> http://gmorgan.sourceforge.net/
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[0:19] <sney> try it and see
[0:23] <pitchoilcan> lol
[0:23] <pitchoilcan> OK
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[0:27] <nicekiwi> anyone else have any luck with accelerated graphics? drivers etc?
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[0:35] <shiftplusone> nicekiwi, could you be more specific?
[0:36] <nicekiwi> shiftplusone: well the docs ive read on raspbian indicated accelerated graphic is enabled out-of-the-box, but they're not?
[0:36] <nicekiwi> graphics*
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[0:38] <shiftplusone> you have opengl es, openmax, dispmanx, openvg and all that good stuff available... yes, that's all 'enabled'. What I am guessing is that you're asking why X11 is slow?
[0:39] <nicekiwi> shiftplusone: sound right, why is it?
[0:40] <nicekiwi> id describe it more as glacial and no 720p video support
[0:40] <shiftplusone> you need to use omxplayer for video.
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[0:40] <nicekiwi> ah, so you cant actually play youtube content directly from a browser or use composite effects?
[0:40] <shiftplusone> because gtk and qt do a lot of operations with just a few pixels at a time and the GPU is no good there. Attempts to collect these operations into larger chunks eats up the CPU. However, there is still some work being done to speed it up anyway.
[0:41] <shiftplusone> you'll be able to use composite effects once wayland is a thing
[0:41] <shiftplusone> (well, you can now, but it's mostly a toy)
[0:41] <nicekiwi> ah ok, what about XMBC? how does that get such a smooth interface?
[0:41] <shiftplusone> as for youtube, there are various scripts for browsers which can detect youtube videos and open them in omxplayer.
[0:41] <shiftplusone> xbmc uses the provided libraries.
[0:42] <shiftplusone> whereas x11 uses the framebuffer + optimized memcpy and dma magic that I know nothing about.
[0:45] <nicekiwi> ok, all good. I dont need the GUI or video decoding, just wanted to have a play :P
[0:53] <gnarface> nicekiwi: omxplayer should work. the stock vlc does not, but people have made recompiles of it that will.
[0:54] <gnarface> nicekiwi: omxplayer is nice because you don't need X to run it at all; you can play video directly from the console with it
[0:54] <gnarface> nicekiwi: (actually in many ways that is preferable, because it doesn't have window manager hooks)
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[5:41] <rahul__> I am trying to do modprobe snd_bt_sco nbu
[5:41] <rahul__> I am trying to do modprobe snd_bt_sco
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[5:41] <rahul__> but its saying FATAL: Module snd_bt_sco not found
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[6:22] <shawnbon206> http://hastebin.com/yejatowute.sm can anyone explain why if i am connected to ssh through 10.0.1.6 and one through 10.0.1.10, and i unplug the ethernet cable, both of them stay connected?
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[6:25] <shawnbon206> is that my routers handywork?
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[10:48] <sidh> Greetings
[10:49] <sidh> on a fresh install , at the first apt-get update/upgrade, the upgrade fails with an un met dependancies for smbclient (smbclient : Depends: samba-common (= 2:3.6.6-5) but 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2 is to be installed) I try as suggested with apt-get install -f , but same result
[10:50] <sidh> is there a workaround
[10:50] <sidh> ?n
[10:51] <rozie> paste cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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[10:52] <sidh> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[10:53] <sidh> (I've made no change to this file yet)
[10:53] <rozie> it's OK
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[10:53] <rozie> apt-get update
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[10:53] <rozie> apt-cache policy samba-common smbclient
[10:54] <rozie> I have 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2 for both packages
[10:58] <sidh> rozie: I found the origin of problem
[10:58] <sidh> dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt
[10:58] <sidh> smbclient*.deb was not well downloaded
[10:59] <sidh> i removed it from rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/smbclient_2%3a3.6.6-6+deb7u2_armhf.deb
[10:59] <sidh> and apt-get install smbclient
[10:59] <sidh> and this time it worked
[10:59] <rozie> :)
[11:00] <sidh> thank you rozie
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[11:07] <rozie> np :)
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[17:37] <sidh> I have the following error : pcmanfm : symbol lookup error : /ur/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgio-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol
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[17:57] <GhostingSerenade> Hello.
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[17:57] <sney> hi
[17:58] <GhostingSerenade> I am currently talking to you from Irssi. If you asked me five minutes ago if I'd be using a Terminal based IRC client, I'd have laughed at you. :|
[17:58] <GhostingSerenade> Boredom + Linux = What. Am. I. Doing.
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[17:59] <sney> ok
[17:59] <GhostingSerenade> :P
[18:00] <GhostingSerenade> I won't even get in to my horrible attempt to install E18 to a console-only light install of Debian. Apparently a 4GB flash drive really is too small these days. :|
[18:00] <GhostingSerenade> Over nine billion dependencies :|
[18:01] <sney> there's an e18? I thought they were still on 17
[18:01] <sney> and yes, 4GB is pretty small
[18:01] <GhostingSerenade> E18 was released in something like December of last year I believe.
[18:02] <GhostingSerenade> For some ungodly reason it's still in the "unstable" package listing of most distro's.
[18:02] <GhostingSerenade> Meaning you have to either just upgrade wholesale (I think?) or compile it yourself.
[18:02] <GhostingSerenade> I tried to compile it myself. Ran outta room :|
[18:03] <GhostingSerenade> The easiest way to get E18, though, seems to be using Ubuntu. On Debian the only way I could find was to self-compile or get it from the unstable repository...which...I had very odd issues with.
[18:03] <sney> distros generally have more strict definitions of "stable" than software upstream. especially in regard to how well software plays with other software
[18:03] <GhostingSerenade> Well, it's probably because E18 utilizes that new fangled interfacing platform.
[18:03] <GhostingSerenade> What is it called. W something. Uhh...shit.
[18:03] <GhostingSerenade> Wayland?
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[18:05] <sney> oh, yeah, that's a whole nother level of complexity
[18:05] <GhostingSerenade> I don't know. I looked over some of the specification and the simple Wiki page and I think I am in love.
[18:05] <GhostingSerenade> Ironically, that's how I found out about E18, and my immediate thought was "I HAVE TO HAVE IT!"
[18:05] <sney> the E team has always had a lot of neat things going on
[18:06] <GhostingSerenade> That's why I HAVE TO HAVE IT :D
[18:06] <sney> I used E17 almost exclusively back in 2005 or so
[18:06] <GhostingSerenade> Another reason why I would've liked to have a self-compiling E18 is to assist in development if at all possible. I love what they're doing. Really. It's great.
[18:06] <sney> but I got tired of using something that wasn't really widely supported or maintained by more than a handful of people. and then the E team kind of went quiet for a few years
[18:07] <GhostingSerenade> Here's hoping E18 continues development.
[18:07] <GhostingSerenade> What they really need to do is make a user-friendly and quick way to install it on regular repositories :|
[18:07] <GhostingSerenade> Just submit an installer script. Really. Most users will not want to waste hours/days/weeks figuring these things out.
[18:07] <sney> no, package it
[18:08] <sney> installer scripts are garbage
[18:08] <GhostingSerenade> That works too.
[18:08] <GhostingSerenade> My point is, they haven't done any of that. Script or otherwise.
[18:08] <sney> if you want to help, make binary packages and get them accepted to the distributions
[18:08] <GhostingSerenade> You have to compile it yourself or use a custom repository that may or may not work.
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[18:09] <sney> it's a lot of busy work considering how many libraries they have, but it's more a time thing than a real challenge. want it available for debian/ubuntu/etc? read the new maintainer's guide, make proper debian packages, get someone to sponsor them into the archive for you.
[18:10] <GhostingSerenade> I very well may. My first order of business is actually getting it to work for me on Debian, though.
[18:10] <sney> after that, the install instructions become "apt-get install enlightenment"
[18:10] <GhostingSerenade> Ubuntu is actually a very simple install process it looks like. One of the repositories has it easy.
[18:10] <GhostingSerenade> Debian is what I had issues with.
[18:10] <sidh> would you have a track for this kind of error ? symbol lookup error : /ur/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgio-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol
[18:10] <sidh> something to reinstall ? to remove ?
[18:11] <GhostingSerenade> upgrade libgio? Looks like something called an undefined syntax?
[18:11] <sney> sidh: are you experiencing an actual problem? where do you see that error, what else happened, what are you trying to do
[18:11] <sney> sometimes gtk stuff will crap out "undefined symbol" errors that don't actually mean anything
[18:12] <sidh> sney: Ihave made a classic install of raspbian, and on top of that I installed i3 window manager and some other lightweight apps
[18:12] <sidh> (no change to sources.list)
[18:12] <sidh> then I made a .xinitrc that launch i3
[18:13] <sney> GhostingSerenade: my advice if you want to do the E thing seriously: ignore the existing debian/ubuntu "instructions" and look at their build order. then, using this as a guide, build and package everything required in the correct order. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html then install the packages.
[18:13] <sney> (then upload your packages to mentors.debian.net and get someone to sponsor them)
[18:13] <sney> sidh: and?
[18:13] <sidh> and when I run startx, I get my i3 session, but some apps like pcmanfm, rox-filer throw an error in the console (from which I ran startx)
[18:14] <sidh> that's the error
[18:14] <GhostingSerenade> @sney: I had done so on my Debian flash until I realized, oh crap, I ran outta room.
[18:14] <sney> and the apps don't start?
[18:14] <sidh> and of course pcmanfm or rox-filer never appears
[18:14] <GhostingSerenade> sney: So I will probably do so on Ubuntu because that's on my netbook. Lol space. :|
[18:14] <GhostingSerenade> Thinking about replacing ubuntu with Debian, though. God Ubuntu is getting bad.
[18:14] <sney> GhostingSerenade: indeed, one does need space for dev/packaging
[18:14] <GhostingSerenade> If I wanted Windows 8 I'd use Windows 8.
[18:15] <sney> heh. I don't like unity either.
[18:15] <GhostingSerenade> I might be alone in this opinion but they're going FULL RETARD.
[18:15] <sney> sidh: what do you mean by a "classic install"
[18:15] <GhostingSerenade> It's not just Unity. It's their continued attempts to package in what amounts to spyware.
[18:16] <sney> yeah, they started by including non-free drivers and firmware, and that led to including adware and corporate junk. clearly the dfsg is a better approach even if licenses are icky and annoying :P
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[18:16] <GhostingSerenade> Hey now, I need non-free sometimes.
[18:17] <GhostingSerenade> This Acer Shitspire One has no free drivers for its soundcard OR graphics.
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[18:17] <GhostingSerenade> I have no plans on manually configuring the interface. :| Pass.
[18:17] <sidh> sney: raspbian with lxde , no special option
[18:17] <sney> me too. but I'm happy doing a little extra work to get it, if that means that my OS is going to stick to a freer policy
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[18:17] <sney> sidh: where did you install it from? is it the image from raspberrypi.org?
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[18:18] <sidh> sney: sorry, yes, I dd the img file with bs=4M
[18:18] <sney> ok, raspberrypi.org includes some weird stuff with that image but it should still be ok running pcmanfm. hmm
[18:18] <sidh> then I apt-get upgrade
[18:18] <sney> sidh: does 'apt-get -f install' try to do anything?
[18:21] <sidh> it tellsme to run apt-get autoremove
[18:21] <sidh> and once done I get
[18:21] <sidh> /usr/bin/gdbus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgio-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_freEQg_credm~tials_�1_same_Yyer
[18:22] <sidh> this time it is gdbus, but before it was same error with pcmanfm
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[18:24] <sney> does that libgio file exist?
[18:25] <GhostingSerenade> @sney: Also the main reason I'm installing it on Ubuntu from the get-go is to get rid of fucking Unity so I can actually get some work done.
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[18:25] <GhostingSerenade> I seem to be the only person who has noticed that Unity 2D is perma-broken. Every time an app does something, the fucking bar pops up. YOU CANNOT DISABLE THIS.
[18:25] <GhostingSerenade> I checked everything, installed everything, even tried various guesses in a config file or several.
[18:25] <GhostingSerenade> Unity 2D is broken. Period.
[18:26] <Defiant> If you think that unity2d is broken, take a look at unity3d
[18:26] <GhostingSerenade> I CAN'T EVEN LOAD UNITY 3D
[18:26] <GhostingSerenade> D:
[18:27] <sney> unity 2d was removed, I thought? I was dealing with an ubuntu trusty vm this morning while investigating a bug - naturally, compositing isn't great inside qemu - and all my google results for turning the effects off said that unity 2d was no longer available
[18:27] <sney> (and then I had to install the COMPIZ manager to turn off window fade. that's just absurd
[18:27] <rela> bioshock infinite does not run on my raspbi :( i doubleclicked setup.exe but nothing happens
[18:28] <sney> rela: 0/10 I chuckled
[18:28] <GhostingSerenade> It's still available in 12.04.
[18:28] <sney> ah, ok
[18:28] <GhostingSerenade> Unity 2D is the only reason I can have Ubuntu on my netbook. :|
[18:28] <GhostingSerenade> In all honesty, I really wish I would've just put Debian on it.
[18:28] <GhostingSerenade> But now I can't be arsed.
[18:29] <Defiant> ..you could always install another wm
[18:29] <GhostingSerenade> Working on it now (E18)
[18:29] <sidh> sney: yes
[18:30] <sidh> 22 févr. 19 2013 /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgio-2.0.so.0 -> libgio-2.0.so.0.3200.4
[18:30] <GhostingSerenade> I would have upgraded Ubuntu but 12.04 is what E18 was built on.
[18:30] <GhostingSerenade> More or less ensures 100% compatibility while I learn how to use it.
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[18:36] <sney> sidh: if you do 'ldd /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgio-2.0.so.0.3200.4' are there any entries that don't point to anything?
[18:36] <rela> sney: i even changed all CR LFs to LF only to make setup.exe linux compatible
[18:37] <sney> rela: cool story bro
[18:37] <rela> glad that you liked it
[18:38] <GhostingSerenade> rela: Brool story cro.
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[18:39] <GhostingSerenade> Welp. E18 is now installed. Fucking Angel Chorus.
[18:42] <GhostingSerenade> Now my only prayer is that E18 can somebody be available (probably via experimental mobile version fork) for Rasperry Pi Et Al.
[18:42] <GhostingSerenade> Because my first impression of E18 is SQUEE~
[18:42] <sney> probably once that glx driver shows up
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[18:43] <GhostingSerenade> I'm new to the Pi thing. Which is probably why I got it - otherwise I'd have known ahead of time to get several alternatives that actually are completely open source.
[18:43] <GhostingSerenade> :X
[18:45] <GhostingSerenade> Dillo is my new favorite thing ever. That and Links2.
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[19:41] <sidh> sney: sorry for the lag, baby was crying
[19:42] <sidh> http://pastealacon.com/34179
[19:43] <sidh> sney: 2 entries don't seem to point to anything
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[19:46] <GhostingSerenade> .
[19:46] <sidh> sney: what does it mean ?
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[20:36] <sney> sidh: that looks okay too. I'm not sure what the problem is.
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[20:47] <sidh> sney: ok I'll make a reinstall to see if I reproduce the problem
[20:47] <sidh> thank you for considering my problem
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[20:57] <sney> sidh: try with the installer from http://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst instead. it's more minimal than the raspberrypi.org image and a lot cleaner
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[21:02] <sidh> sney: ok I'll give a try
[21:02] <sidh> thanks
[21:04] <sidh> sney: on a r-pi I/O are better on a usb stick or a sdcard ?
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[21:05] <sidh> (considering class 10 SD card Vs good quality USB 2 stick)
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[21:07] <sney> sidh: the usb is a little bit faster. the pi still needs a sd card to boot from, but it's a good idea to keep important stuff (like /home) on usb, not just for speed, but also reliability
[21:10] <girafe> is a SD class 10 not faster than a usb drive ?
[21:10] <sney> real-world, no
[21:10] <sidh> ok good to know, event if I dont intend to store important stuff on it (my aims is a r-pi ebook reader with zathura and calibre, and mpd server, it will only sotre conf file, but data is on a mini nas cifs shared
[21:10] <sney> yeah network is a good place to keep your data
[21:11] <sidh> Good night
[21:11] <girafe> is there a difference between a sandisk sdhc class 10 and a sandisk micro sdhc class 10 ?
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[21:12] <sney> besides the size, I doubt it, though I don't know much about the micro-sdhc spec
[21:13] <plugwash> It probablly depends on exactly which cards you are comparing
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[21:14] <sney> if you're thinking that the class 10 SD should be faster than USB 2.0 because of some advertised peak numbers, stop, and remember that *everything* on the pi is limited by the USB 2.0 bus
[21:14] <plugwash> AIUI sandisk have serveral different product ranges of SD card even in the same physical size and class
[21:14] <sney> that's true too
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[21:14] <plugwash> The SD card slot on the Pi is NOT on the US bus
[21:14] <sney> though I suspect the "this one is for cameras" vs. "this one is for mp3 players" stuff is just snake oil
[21:14] <sney> it isn't? what's it on then?
[21:15] <plugwash> The SD card slot goes direct to the main SoC which has an on-chip SD card controller
[21:15] <sney> or does it just hook straight into the gpu and that's how it's able to boot... ok
[21:16] <plugwash> Unfortunately the Pi doesn't have any voltage switching logic for the SD card slot which limits the speed (the highest speed SD card modes require a lower voltage)
[21:16] <sney> ah so that's it
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[21:18] <sney> my EE is pretty sparse, but does that mean one could put a resistor in the right place and lock the pi into the higher speed mode?
[21:19] <plugwash> I resistor alone wouldn't give you a clean enough voltage, you'd need a voltage regulator
[21:20] <girafe> so is it possible than class 4 or 6 card best perform than class 10, due to voltage issue ?�
[21:20] <plugwash> and i'm not sure if you can get at the connections you need or if they are hidden under the processor (remember it's a BGA)
[21:20] <plugwash> and you'd still need to hack up the software to deal with the nonstandard configuration you had put the hardware in
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[21:21] <sney> well, it seems like the kind of thing pi people would be into, anyway. gordonDrogon are you catching all this
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[22:17] <Bizzeh> hi, i followed http://raspberrypihelp.net/tutorials/21-pptp-vpn-server-raspberry-pi exactly to set up my ras-pi as a pptp vpn server, and as soon as i try and connect to it from my phone, the ssh connection i have to the pi from my pc is aborted, and i have no way of accessing the pi at all, and then the connection to the vpn via the phone fails
[22:18] <Bizzeh> anyone recognise this problem and know where i need to look?
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[22:43] <TekMason_> Can anyone help me get freeswitch on rpi working with google voice? my setup and is here http://pastebin.com/nm0VYzD6
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> sney, whut?
[22:50] <sney> gordonDrogon: the idea of modifying the pi so its sd card slot can do the lower voltage required for faster i/o modes
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Oh. Nah. not worth it.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> get a good class 6 and accept that that's that.
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[23:29] <girafe> gordonDrogon : so you mean class 10 is not only useless, it's even slower ?
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[23:41] <shawnbon206> hey guys.
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[23:45] <gnarface> 'sup shawnbon206
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[23:47] <shawnbon206> i am doing my first web server. do people usually put apache in a jail? and to make multiple sites i just need to configure them in apaches config right? what if i wanted to have each site routed to a different aliasinterface e.g. eth0:0 eth0:1 etc ?
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[23:49] <gnarface> shawnbon206: 1) most people do not put apache in a "jail" in the linux sense (chrooting wasn't ever designed to be a security feature. using it as such is misguided)
[23:49] <gnarface> shawnbon206: 2) apache virtualhosting i believe is only keyable off ip address or hostname, not interface id
[23:50] <gnarface> but i could be wrong
[23:50] <shawnbon206> because it would make it easier for me to route to my no-ip account on different external ports if i use different internal ips. that way i can route shawn.no-ip.biz:5002 to 10.0.1.2:80 and shawn.no-ip.biz:5004 to 10.0.1.4:80 for example
[23:50] <gnarface> oh, i forgot, you can do apache virtualhosting off ports instead of ip addresses
[23:51] <gnarface> that works too, but of course if you have the luxury of your own private lan ip range, i'd recommend using that for apache's virtualhost identifiers
[23:51] <shawnbon206> but i can do it off of ip addresses that correlate with ones i configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:51] <gnarface> yes
[23:51] <gnarface> of course
[23:51] <gnarface> just make sure they're up before apache comes up
[23:52] <shawnbon206> i could restart apache service right after i finish configuring them
[23:52] <gnarface> as for "jailing" apache though, the only appropriate way would be with actual virtualization, and i'm not sure any solutions exist for such that the pi has the horsepower to handle
[23:52] <gnarface> chrooting isn't sufficient
[23:52] <shawnbon206> ok so no sense in jailing, just get my permissions right?
[23:53] <gnarface> well, get your permissions right and make sure if you're using active scripting (liek php) that the code itself is secure...
[23:53] <gnarface> i wouldn't say "no sense in jailing" because vulnerabilities are rampant in shit like wordpress installs
[23:53] <gnarface> what i would say though is that if you can't patch the pi kernel with linux-vservers, its unlikely there are any other feasible virtualization solutions for the pi
[23:54] <gnarface> it would probably be saner to just buy a second pi...
[23:54] <shawnbon206> well i will jail it just for the practice so i'll know how to do it. its nice to know how to install and test software that isnt linked to your system in any way
[23:54] <gnarface> the problem with chrooting is its not like bsd jails
[23:54] <shawnbon206> bsd is boss
[23:54] <gnarface> its literally just a utility for changing the root fs on the fly which has been misused as a security measure in many situations
[23:55] <shawnbon206> i have a freenas system and a pfsense system
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[23:55] <gnarface> the closest equivalent to bsd jails in linux is the linux-vserver kernel patches, and the only one i could think of i'd expect to actually be feasible to run on the pi, if any
[23:56] <gnarface> i honestly have no idea if they even work on non-x86 kernel builds though
[23:56] <shawnbon206> ok i will check it out
[23:56] <gnarface> i'd be fascinated to find out
[23:56] <gnarface> but ... it may be smarter to just like, have a second SD card and keep frequent backups
[23:56] <gnarface> or use a second pi
[23:56] <gnarface> the point of the pi is kindof the antithesis of virtualization to begin with
[23:57] <shawnbon206> yeah but you know what i was thinking i would buy a cheap router instead of a pi
[23:58] <shawnbon206> http://www.amazon.com/Networks-N150-WiFi-Router-N150R/dp/B0081HD3PI this runs openwrt
[23:58] <shawnbon206> it even comes with its own case and wifi interface
[23:58] <ppq> the mips cpus in those things are way slower than a pi (yes, that's possible)
[23:59] <shawnbon206> depending on the usage that might not be a bad thing
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