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[0:38] <RJ45> I power my Raspberry PI (B) with a 700mAh phone charger, so it's getting just the bare minimum recommended power input, my question: if I were to attach a 2.5" SSD (via USB) and have no other USB devices plugged in, would it add too much power load? (I have a strong feeling it would)
[0:38] <shawnbon206> may i ask, why a 700ma charger?
[0:39] <RJ45> 'cos it's the most reliable one I have (came with a Samsung phone that got stolen)
[0:40] <RJ45> plus it's 700ma, the exact minimum specification RaspberryPi foundation recommends :D
[0:40] <RJ45> and I think that's pretty neat TBH :P
[0:41] <shawnbon206> thats without anything plugged into the usb though
[0:42] <RJ45> the recommended minimum power input accounts for a low power basic keyboard and mouse
[0:42] <RJ45> and it's been fine in the past with my wireless Rii keyboard/mouse
[0:45] <plugwash> Powering a full SSD through the Pi is probablly not going to go very well. Even if it's a late model Pi without the USB polyfuses you still have the main polyfuse on the power input to contend with.
[0:45] <plugwash> what I'd personally do is get one of those USB cables with a second power plug, you can then connect that cable between the drive and the Pi and use the second power plug on it to power both drive and Pi
[0:46] <RJ45> lol, I know of that technique, that's basic stuff, but I'd rather not do that if I can :)
[0:48] <RJ45> plus that would mean forking out for a 1000ma USB power plug and those are almost always WAY less reliable than chargers that come with new smart-phones.
[0:50] * plugwash muses the option of taking said dual plug usb cable and cutting the second USB plug off
[0:50] <shawnbon206> you can just get a oem htc charger for cheap on ebay
[0:50] <plugwash> then wiring in a nice fat 5V 2A or so PSU out of the junk box
[0:51] <RJ45> in-case anyone's curious I'm considering re-purposing an old 30GB SSD I put into storage when I upgraded to a 128GB SSD, I wanna do this not for extra storage capacity but for longer lifespan of constant repetitive read/writes I'm planing on.
[0:52] <plugwash> The SSD should have power requirements marked on it
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[0:53] <RJ45> leave an SD Card R/W 24/7 it'll prolly die in a week, month tops, an SSD however could stand a good 1 or 2 years at-least :D
[0:54] * RJ45 digs out old SSD, hold on BRB
[0:56] <RJ45> "DC+5.0V 300mA" it say that.
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[0:57] <RJ45> it's a "Kingston 'ssdNOW' [V]series"
[0:57] <plugwash> hmm, lower than I expected
[0:58] * plugwash thought most were betwen 0.5A and 1A
[0:58] <RJ45> well it's only a 3Gbps SSD
[0:58] <RJ45> I'd imagine my much newer 6Gbps SSD with all the latest features would be considerably more power hungry :P
[0:59] <plugwash> so you might get away with it but it would be pretty marginal
[0:59] <RJ45> anyways, if I get a USB to SATA adapter, d'ya think the ol' RasPi could handle it?
[1:00] <RJ45> hmmm I see
[1:00] <RJ45> I thought as such
[1:01] <RJ45> 700mA - 300mA = 400mA left for RasPi ..hmm, probably not such a good idea :/
[1:01] <plugwash> (with your current power supply that is, with a suitablly beefy supply fed in using a method that bypasses any troublesome polyfuses i'm sure it would be fine)
[1:01] * plugwash muses the 5V 40A PSU he has access to..........
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[1:02] <RJ45> f-40A!?, WTF?
[1:03] <RJ45> what r u doin' with a frickin' 40A 5V PSU!?
[1:03] <shawnbon206> how many watt is that
[1:03] <shawnbon206> i know thats easy math but i am lazy
[1:03] * RJ45 forgot how to math that :/
[1:03] <plugwash> 200W
[1:04] <plugwash> The plan was to use it to charge the batteries in a load of devices that were being used for a project at once
[1:04] <shawnbon206> amp x volt
[1:04] <plugwash> the devices had built in battery charging circuits with a charge current of 1A and we throught there might potentially be quite a lot of them
[1:04] <RJ45> plugwash: seriously, WHAT do you own that requires such an absurd amperage combined with such a low voltage?
[1:05] <RJ45> you bought it for that?, oh okay
[1:05] <RJ45> how much did it set you back?, sounds like a pricey PSU
[1:05] <plugwash> well it wasn't me personally who paid for it.....................
[1:05] <RJ45> �_�
[1:06] <RJ45> poor sucker
[1:06] <shawnbon206> you could connect 33 pi's to that with head room
[1:06] <RJ45> or rich sucker should I say :P
[1:07] <shawnbon206> poor rich sucker
[1:07] <plugwash> compared to other things being bought for this project it was a negligable expense
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[1:07] <RJ45> shawnbon206: indeed heheh
[1:07] <shawnbon206> oh my
[1:07] <RJ45> shawnbon206: indeed again
[1:07] <plugwash> http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/jpm160ps05/psu-160w-5v-32a/dp/1109849 <-- that's the PSU, we probablly paid slightly less for it due to our discounts
[1:08] <plugwash> the headline rating says 32A but when you read the datasheet it turns out you are allowed to go to 40A under certain conditions of temperature and power input
[1:08] <plugwash> (which basically ammount to run the thing of ~240V at room temperature)
[1:09] <RJ45> classy PSU :D
[1:09] <shawnbon206> thats not bad
[1:10] <RJ45> does it get very how?, is it heatsinked well?
[1:10] <RJ45> how = hot*
[1:12] <RJ45> I heard some of the cheaper PSUs use shitty heatsinking
[1:12] <plugwash> In the end we never actually ended up running it at full load
[1:13] <plugwash> because we never built enough of the devices it was used to charge
[1:14] <RJ45> were you producing a product to sell that required a battery supply?
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[1:15] <plugwash> Not to sell, for use in experiments
[1:15] * RJ45 has many questions tonight :P
[1:15] <RJ45> ih cool
[1:15] <RJ45> oh*
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[5:05] <jammy> hi
[5:05] <jammy> i am getting one error :
[5:06] <jammy> A text/html decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed "
[5:10] <jammy> can any one suggest me
[5:14] <shawnbon206> what stream is that?
[5:16] <jammy> gstramer0.10
[5:20] <jammy> can you give command for installing html decoder plugin in gstramer
[5:25] <shawnbon206> i understand now lol
[5:26] <shawnbon206> i always use vlc mozilla plugin
[5:26] <shawnbon206> but i think there is a gstreamer plugin
[5:26] <shawnbon206> google it
[5:29] <shawnbon206> or ddg it
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[5:50] <anarchos_> Is there an official "base" raspbian image out there I'm not seeing, or does one not exist?
[5:51] <shiftplusone> none exist
[5:51] <shiftplusone> Nothing official anyway... there are lots of other images out there.
[5:52] <anarchos_> i see
[5:52] <anarchos_> doesn't really matter i guess, i usually just like starting out with the bare minimum instead of having stuff i won't use preinstalled
[5:52] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[5:53] <shiftplusone> or something like http://xecdesign.com/minimal-raspbian-server-xfce-editions/ (shameless plug)
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[5:55] <anarchos_> thanks
[5:55] <hifi> warning: the repository itself has untested code
[5:55] <hifi> the prebuilt installers are ok though
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[5:57] <anarchos_> i think i'll just stick to the offical img
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[6:02] <hifi> it sucks
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[6:30] <zGrr> moin :)
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[6:46] <hifi> shiftplusone: btw. are those based on raspbian-ua-netinst installs or something else?
[6:46] <shiftplusone> hifi, something else.
[6:47] <hifi> kk
[6:48] <shiftplusone> it's mostly a debootstrap and the rest is set up in a qemu chroot.
[6:48] <shiftplusone> though I did steal a few lines from your rc script.
[6:49] <hifi> it's the same idea anyway
[6:49] <hifi> debootstrapping the base image
[6:50] <shiftplusone> yup. not many other ways to go about it... at least I don't know of any.
[6:50] <shiftplusone> aside from starting with the foundation's image and working backwards, but that's insane.
[6:52] <hifi> would be more fun if your process was fully automated
[6:52] <hifi> so you could update the image with a few commands
[6:53] <shiftplusone> it is
[6:53] <shiftplusone> but the scripts are a mess
[6:57] <hifi> ah
[6:57] <hifi> not that raspbian-ua-netinst is pretty either
[6:57] <hifi> but someone started contributing so it looks a bit more of a mess now ;)
[6:57] <shiftplusone> heh, I saw.
[6:57] <shiftplusone> The contributions, not so much the mess.
[6:59] <anarchos_> it seems like an official netinst img is the way to go
[6:59] <shiftplusone> define 'official'
[7:00] <shiftplusone> hifi's netinst page is linked on raspbian.org as the recommended netinstall method.
[7:01] <anarchos_> hosted on raspberrypi.org? ;)
[7:01] <shiftplusone> bah *raspbian.org
[7:01] <shiftplusone> ah right, thought I made a typo earlier, nevermind
[7:02] <shiftplusone> I don't think the foundations are interested in that sort of thing.
[7:02] <shiftplusone> Their focus is on the education side of things and a netinstall isn't the best thing to throw at a 12 year old.
[7:03] <anarchos_> heh
[7:03] * anarchos_ downloaded the RH 5.2 iso over a 28.8 modem when he was 12
[7:03] <anarchos_> took like 4 days
[7:03] <anarchos_> :P
[7:03] <Graflan> I don't know, there are some 12 year olds out there.....
[7:03] <shiftplusone> heh
[7:05] <hifi> shiftplusone: oh, I didn't mean the contributions itself are any worse than it already was, it's just not very robust and pretty to write a shell script that does everything in one go
[7:05] <shiftplusone> hifi, I understood.
[7:05] <hifi> I'm very delighted someone contributes to it when I stopped myself
[7:06] <shiftplusone> It seems pretty complete as is.
[7:06] <hifi> anarchos_: unlike "official" images you can see what my installer does and "build" it yourself
[7:06] <shiftplusone> hifi, you can do that with the official images by looking at asb's spindle.
[7:07] <hifi> shiftplusone: where is that hosted, I'm very interestedi n that
[7:08] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/asb/spindle
[7:08] <hifi> thanks
[7:08] <shiftplusone> np
[7:09] <hifi> looks good how they do it tbh
[7:09] <shiftplusone> I don't like the reliance on schroot
[7:10] <shiftplusone> but in terms of the scripts themselves, they are tidy and maintainable enough.
[7:10] <shiftplusone> especially if all the unnecessary junk was stripped out
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[7:22] <anarchos_> hifi: what the url to yours?
[7:26] <hifi> anarchos_: it's the raspbian-ua-netinst link shiftplusone gave before
[7:30] <anarchos_> ah, thanks
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[14:30] <MMackx> Hi all, I want to use xdg-open with my own custom protocol. I've been able to make it work on my desktop debian, but somehow on raspbian lynx tries to open it instead of my own script.
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[14:31] <MMackx> If I run xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/myprotocol it shows the correct desktop file. I'm stuck :(
[14:32] <MMackx> But when running xdg-open 'myprotocol://test' another handler (lynx) is used instead of my custom
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[14:55] <gregc2> weird, my pi is not logging to syslog or kern.log
[14:55] <gregc2> or messages
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[15:48] <ShorTie> hmmm, on hifi's net-install the usb mouse keeps getting disconnected and refound, any idea's ??
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[15:49] <shiftplusone> sounds like a hardware issue to me. Are you 100% sure this doesn't happen with the foundation's image on the same hardware?
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[15:51] <ShorTie> have not noticed it before on regular raspbian install
[15:52] <shiftplusone> does dmesg show the usb device being disconnected, reconnected, rinse, repeat?
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[15:53] <hifi> could try foundation kernel
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[15:57] <ShorTie> Yes shiftplusone
[15:59] <ShorTie> apt-get install linux-image ??
[15:59] <shiftplusone> apt-get install raspberrypi-bootloader
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[16:00] <shiftplusone> if after rebooting you still have the same problem, I don't see how it could be anything but a hardware issue =S
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[16:05] <ShorTie> blaa, didn't help
[16:05] <hifi> check what kernel you are running
[16:05] <ShorTie> let me spin up raspbian and double check
[16:06] <shiftplusone> uname -a
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[16:07] <hifi> also that is still raspbian
[16:07] <ShorTie> Linux rPi3 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Fri Jan 3 18:41:00 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[16:07] <shiftplusone> that's the foundation kernel alright
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[16:15] <ShorTie> everything seems fine with raspbian .. :/~
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[16:24] <ShorTie> kernels are the same, 3.10.25+
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> =/
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[17:28] <esrax> who maintains the vlc package?
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[20:12] <oakkitten> can i do something about this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21637985/2014.03.27-0002.jpg
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[20:14] <gnarface> probably not
[20:14] <shiftplusone> oakkitten, post it on the forum
[20:14] <gnarface> well, actually you could use badblocks in theory to avoid the ones that are giving i/o errors
[20:15] <oakkitten> last time i had this error windows could read the disk just fine
[20:15] <gnarface> i guess that would be something to check first
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[20:40] <Halberd_1> Is it normal for RPi to stop responding while updating firmware? Sometimes I am getting an error "Read only filesystem".
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[20:54] <oakkitten> 15931539456 bytes (16 GB) copied, 1069.73 s, 14.9 MB/s
[20:54] <oakkitten> so much for rpi's “i/o errors”
[20:56] <shiftplusone> oakkitten, is it reproducible? the foundation is very interested in such things, so if you're having problems with this card in the pi, send Gordon an email and he might ask you to send it in (in exchange for some merch when the card is returned to you)
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[20:59] <oakkitten> i think my pi's just broken.
[21:00] <lvispy> change your sd card
[21:00] <oakkitten> it hangs and it dies and it corrupts the card all the time, and it's not overclocked or nothing
[21:00] <lvispy> they have a lifetime
[21:00] <oakkitten> this sd card as you can see works pretty fine :|
[21:01] <oakkitten> do the pis have warranties?
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> oakkitten, it depends on the country you bought it in. in the UK, the standard sale of goods act applies.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> however what I'd check now is your power supply.
[21:03] <oakkitten> it'd be latvia here
[21:04] <oakkitten> my power supply is my monitor built-in hub which has never given me any problems, and my monitor is marketed as a professional one.. not to say it can't be faulty, of course
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> who knows. at least I don't ...
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> try a different usb power source - e.g. your PC.
[21:10] <oakkitten> is there a quicker way to check the power source? i only have one week
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[21:18] <oakkitten> nothing at all
[21:18] <plugwash> if you have a multimeter then measure the voltage across the test points
[21:19] <oakkitten> i don't
[21:19] <oakkitten> i could borrow one though...
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[21:20] <oakkitten> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems this?
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[21:25] <oakkitten> ..now it magically boots
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> different PSU?
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[21:36] <gnarface> heh
[21:36] <gnarface> guess we'll never know
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[21:41] <sqrrl> same psu
[21:41] <sqrrl> it just booted
[21:41] <sqrrl> after i've dd'd all the data
[21:42] <sqrrl> i guess it decided it can't pretend the card is corrupt anymore :|
[21:42] <gnarface> sqrrl: still could be power issues
[21:43] <gnarface> such things are often intermittent by nature
[21:43] <gnarface> and more likely to crop up during boot time or other high-load activities
[21:44] <sqrrl> i'll try to obtain the multimeter tomorrow, but i doubt it's the psu. the monitor's been good to me, and when there are blackouts is dies a second or so after the lights do
[21:45] <gnarface> could be your power lines
[21:45] <gnarface> ever heard of a brownout?
[21:45] <sqrrl> sounds nasty
[21:45] <sqrrl> i have a little brownout each time my fridge goes on
[21:46] <gnarface> its just not quite a blackout, but enough of a fluxuation in the line that it can often cause seriously hysterical behavior with electronics
[21:47] <sqrrl> i'll try to test it tomorrow, but still—the pi just magically booted back after many retries
[21:47] <sqrrl> it doesn't make sense to me
[21:47] <gnarface> definitely disturbing
[21:47] <gnarface> i've seen weirder crap happen when the lines aren't clean...
[21:48] <gnarface> you don't happen to have a UPS you could plug it into, do you?
[21:48] <sqrrl> nope i don't
[21:48] <gnarface> even a high-end enough surge protector might help, but not the little 10$ ones
[21:48] <gnarface> you'd need one that does "power conditioning"
[21:49] <sqrrl> i *have* another psu that's purpotedly 1000ma but i bought it in india and i trust it much less than i trust my monitor
[21:49] <sqrrl> anyways, i'll try testing the voltage things tomorrow, that much i can do
[21:49] <gnarface> that's fair, but you should know that USB ports on laptops and displays are notoriously untrustworthy for quality of electrical power
[21:50] <gnarface> and arm hardware (maybe the pi moreso than many others) is known for being especially picky about input power quality
[21:50] <sqrrl> this pi failure made buy three pints of beer
[21:50] <sqrrl> so the matter gradually ceases to matter at the time being
[21:51] <gnarface> heh
[21:51] <gnarface> i know the feeling
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[21:58] <Halberd_1> I still do not understand how to avoid errors with firmware update. It freezes, then I have to unplug the PSU, when it boots up again then mouse and keyboard usually don't work, but remote ssh login saves it all :-D
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[22:43] <ciboulette> i'm trying to build pyptlib from sid on the rpi, but some tests fail...any suggestions?
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[22:46] <vagrantc> ciboulette: pastebin the failure results, so people can make useful suggestions
[22:47] <ciboulette> vagrantc: hang on a moment...
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[22:58] <ciboulette> vagrantc: https://paste.debian.net/90114/
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[23:32] <plugwash> my general approach to testsuites is to disable them.............
[23:37] <Graflan> at first I thought you said testicles
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[23:40] <ciboulette> plugwash: i suppose this builds under wheezy without problems though...why does it fail on raspbian?
[23:41] <plugwash> I have no idea, but if I stopped and investigated every testsuite failure I ran into when building raspbian the project would have never got off the ground
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[23:44] <ciboulette> what is the quickest way to disable the tests?
[23:45] <plugwash> If the package is well behaved then doing "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck" before building should do it
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[23:49] <ciboulette> alright, built it without the tests...let's see if things fail horribly
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