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[7:42] <Kingii> how do i see what sdx number my sd card is?
[7:42] <Kingii> so i could use dd for backup
[7:42] <Kingii> for some reason i cant google this information /
[7:42] <Kingii> :7*
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[8:15] <gnarface> Kingii: they're not named that on raspbian. its like mmcblk01 or something like that
[8:20] <gnarface> Kingii: (different name cause different driver cause different hardware controller)
[8:21] <Kingii> i saw names like that on df -h
[8:21] <Kingii> but there were two different ones iirc
[8:21] <Kingii> and i only have on sd card
[8:22] <gnarface> one card, but probably more than one partition actually
[8:22] <gnarface> they'd show up as separate entries something like mmcblk01p1 and mmcblk01p2
[8:22] <gnarface> sorry mine is not on right now and i've got horrible trouble remembering the exact spelling
[8:24] <gnarface> it should be easy to figure out which file in /dev is the one that represents the whole device and just back it up as one disk image though
[8:24] <gnarface> (it'll be the one that is named like all the others but without a number suffix)
[8:25] <gnarface> just like with sda1, sda2, sda3, etc
[8:25] <gnarface> where they are partitions 1 2 and 3 of /dev/sda but you can back the whole thing up by just going after /dev/sda itself
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[8:27] <Kingii> wonder if i did it correctly, just did dd if=/dev/mmcblk0
[8:27] <Kingii> atleast it's doing something
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[8:27] <gnarface> pastebin me the output of this and i can tell you for sure: ls -l /dev/mmcblk*
[8:28] <gnarface> i just have to see the list and i will remember
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[8:28] <gnarface> also, i hope you're not backing up to a partition on the device you're backing up
[8:29] <Kingii> no
[8:29] <Kingii> to a nas
[8:29] <gnarface> good
[8:29] <Kingii> it shows mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2
[8:29] <gnarface> yea, you probably have hte device itself then
[8:29] <gnarface> p1 and p2 would be partition 1 and partition 2
[8:29] <Kingii> good
[8:30] <Kingii> so i did it correctly
[8:30] <gnarface> to be paranoid, some people would remount the partitions read-only first, but if you don't have anything serious running, and you don't have any other users, and you don't change anything while its copying, its probably not necessary
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[8:32] <Kingii> i'll remember that in the future
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[8:32] <gnarface> but, incidentally, if you don't care about maintaining partition size&block structure/position its way faster to just use tar
[8:34] <gnarface> something like this as root: cd / && tar -c -z -p -f /path/to/your/nas/mount/raspbian_backup.tar.gz .
[8:34] <gnarface> with dd, you're also backing up the empty space
[8:35] <gnarface> if you want verbose output: cd / && tar -c -z -v -p -f /path/to/your/nas/mount/raspbian_backup.tar.gz .
[8:39] <gnarface> maybe add --one-file-system too
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[9:05] <Kingii> 3tb nas and 8gb sd card
[9:05] <Kingii> doesnt matter it wastes space =)
[9:05] <Kingii> but thx for the t ip
[9:05] <Kingii> although the dd command was easier to figure out what it does
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[10:01] <Kingii> http://www.robertsetiadi.net/installing-transmission-in-raspberry-pi/
[10:02] <Kingii> any idea why transmission doesnt have permission to write there but the user i configured it for does have permission with sudo
[10:02] <Kingii> write there = write to my nas
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[10:17] <Jusii> it needs to have permissions to write without sudo
[10:19] <Kingii> did it get that with those instructions i linked ?
[10:19] <Kingii> what else do i need to do
[10:20] <Jusii> it denends of your nas, you need to mount it with permissions that user running transmission can write
[10:20] <Jusii> forget sudo when testing, sudo = superuser
[10:20] <Jusii> with sudo you can do anything
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[10:23] <Kingii> wd mybook, the nas itself doesnt have any restrictions
[10:23] <Kingii> i mounted it with the same user i attached to that transmission thing
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[11:16] <Kingii> i mounted my nas but does someone know how to mount it so that everyone has full permissions?
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[12:13] <rocky____> hi, i have a problem with irssi under raspbian.. on some dcc connection it crashes
[12:13] <rocky____> does someone knows about this problem?
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[13:41] <Kingii> how do i unmount a nas when it's busy
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[13:50] <Kingii> damn i hate it when simply adding a nas to ur rpi is made so hard :/
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[15:33] <mati75> where I can find buildd logs of raspbian jessie?
[15:35] <beardy> Kingii: Make it unbusy. Stop everything that is using files from it, or is located within a directory of the mounted file system.
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[22:36] <shawnbon206> hey. i made an arbitrary user to make content for my /var/www, is it okay to specify /var/www as its home dir in /etc/passwd file?
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[22:49] <gnarface> shawnbon206: people do it, but then your per-user startup scripts and program-specific config files are in your docroot and you have to explicitly exclude them from loading through the web browser or there could be security issues in theory... so generally i recommend not doing that
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[22:50] <gnarface> shawnbon206: if its a user that will never have such files or be logged in through any interactive prompts though, go ahead, knock yourself out
[22:50] <gnarface> shawnbon206: (like a system daemon user)
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[22:51] <shawnbon206> ok i understand. ty for the clarification
[22:51] <gnarface> shawnbon206: what i usually do is just make a symlink from the user's home to the docroot
[22:52] <shawnbon206> ohhh
[22:52] <shawnbon206> good idea
[22:55] <shawnbon206> i want to set the perms so that user cant see anything except /home/johndoe and /var/www and /var/lib/mediawiki
[22:55] <shawnbon206> gonna be a learning experience i am not super good with perms
[22:55] <gnarface> that will make it very difficult for them to execute basic shell commands
[22:56] <shawnbon206> oh. well what can i do to tighten up security?
[22:56] <shawnbon206> i am aware i could have made a chroot for the webserver
[22:56] <shawnbon206> but besides that
[22:57] <gnarface> well, if you DON'T want them to be able to execute basic shell commands, you can configure openssh to only allow sftp access for that user and jail them to those specific directories (which is cleaner and actually intended to be a used as a security feature, which chroot isn't)
[22:57] <gnarface> and that's probably easiest
[22:57] <shawnbon206> oh ok thanks
[22:57] <gnarface> it doesn't require you screwing with the permissions of the whole filesystem or using acls or stuff like that, if you do it that way
[22:57] <gnarface> just rely on the built-in features of opensshd
[22:57] <shawnbon206> yep
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[22:58] <gnarface> now if you DO want them to be able to have shell access and not only upload files but execute some system commands as well, then things get more complicated
[22:59] <gnarface> but it was my understanding that mediawiki, once properly configured, shouldn't rely on any direct user access whatsoever; they should be able to have a mediawiki account and edit it without having a system shell/sftp account or any other system access at all
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[22:59] <gnarface> that's the whole point of mediawiki, really
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[23:00] <gnarface> so this would be only really if you wanted the user to be able to add stuff other than mediawiki to the web root, or to actually change the mediawiki code itself (which could be in and of itself also a security risk, since the php process would then have access to things in the system that the user wouldn't, and the user could change the php code to get access)
[23:00] <shawnbon206> well so far mediawiki is still owned by root:root and i just linked it into /var/www
[23:01] <gnarface> well, i do still recommend you learn permissions, it will be useful for you to be able to see what people do have access to on the filesystem and change it if necessary
[23:01] <shawnbon206> i havent planned on changing anything about it yet, didnt kniw it was self contained like you say
[23:01] <gnarface> yea that's what wikis are all about; in-browser editing of themselves
[23:02] <shawnbon206> i am maybe "an educated user" when it comes to permissions
[23:02] <shawnbon206> not quite intermediate but not a noob either
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[23:05] <gnarface> well, for security you will want to isolate the directories where mediawiki needs to write data and allow only the user php runs as (which should NOT be root) to read/write that directory
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[23:06] <gnarface> my guess is that is /var/lib/mediawiki or some subdirectories thereof, but i'm not sure
[23:07] <gnarface> its a common mistake to just chmod 777 and give EVERYTHING full access, or to give the apache user write access to things it only needs to read, or to put passwords in files accessible from the docroot
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[23:12] <shawnbon206> gnarface for /var/www i chown john:john /var/www then added www-data to group john in /etc/groups
[23:13] <shawnbon206> www-data is running apache and nothing else
[23:13] <gnarface> sounds like a start
[23:14] <shawnbon206> john is the webmaster and uses su - -c to do superuser stuffs
[23:14] <shawnbon206> i will consider doing something similar for the php user
[23:15] <shawnbon206> but like you said no need for john to have write or execute access to that dir
[23:15] <shawnbon206> so i may do a similar thing only *inversely*
[23:15] <gnarface> it would be a bad idea to allow the php user (www-data in this case) any superuser access
[23:15] <shawnbon206> of course
[23:16] <shawnbon206> i am not explaining myself very well but no matter. thanks to you i understand some things which were gray for me an hour ago
[23:16] <shawnbon206> :)
[23:17] <gnarface> typically what i do is chgroup the stuff in the docroot to www-data
[23:17] <gnarface> or actually no, to a completely separate group
[23:17] <gnarface> (could just be your user's group though)
[23:17] <shawnbon206> yeah thats how i had it set before
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[23:18] <gnarface> but if its not your user's group, you also want to use the sguid bit (g+s or 2000) on /var/www itself to make it so users changing stuff don't override the current group
[23:18] <gnarface> and probably you need them to relax their umask to 0002
[23:18] <shawnbon206> but we were tired of constantly having to chgroup files after creating them
[23:18] <gnarface> (default being 0022)
[23:18] <gnarface> yea
[23:18] <gnarface> that's what the sguid bit is for
[23:19] <gnarface> so you don't have to chgroup stuff after creating it
[23:19] <gnarface> but if this is the only user who is ever gonna touch it then it hardly matters
[23:19] <shawnbon206> nice
[23:19] <shawnbon206> yeah i will do that though because then it will stick in my memory
[23:20] <gnarface> the users still all have to be in that group for it to work, and if they don't each relax their default umask to 0002 then they'll still override the "write" bit on the group which has the same annoying basic effect,
[23:21] <gnarface> but once both those things are done, then that group (the group owning the parent directory you set the guid on) becomes the default group for all files changed/writtin therein, regardless of whatever the *user's* default group is
[23:21] <shawnbon206> me and a friend are learning this stuff together and i put this in the "john" users bash_profile: tmux attach || tmux new
[23:21] <shawnbon206> so we can share a terminal remotely if we like
[23:22] <gnarface> hopefully everyone trusts each other...
[23:22] <shawnbon206> oh yeah
[23:22] <gnarface> due to the complexity of ironing out these silly guid issues, many people just use acls instead
[23:23] <gnarface> but that's a whole other ball of wax and requires non-universal filesystem support
[23:24] <gnarface> well, i gotta take off, but good luck
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[23:25] <shawnbon206> ok many thanks
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