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[12:50] <Halberd1> I have crashed my raspbian OS...again. :-( It loads to a blank screen and a mouse cursor is only visible. I won't load network config and start samba. wtf?
[12:51] <gnarface> Halberd1: what did you do?
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[12:53] <Halberd1> I remember I installed some app through aptitude from unverified source, it warned me about missing GPG key but I continued anyway because I trusted the source. I dont know if it is related.
[12:53] <gnarface> what was the app, and what was the source?
[12:54] <hifi> Halberd1: how do you shutdown the pi?
[12:55] <Halberd1> I return to terminal by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 which works normally.
[12:56] <Halberd1> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main
[12:57] <gnarface> uhg
[12:57] <gnarface> you mixed debian sources with rassbian?
[12:57] <gnarface> i think that's a bad idea...
[12:57] <Halberd1> this was in sources list, and ofcourse it offered me some updates which I applied. I remember it installed newer version of wpa_supplicant and maybe some other network components.
[12:58] <Halberd1> :-D what should I do now? Is there any way to recover the OS?
[12:58] <gnarface> heh
[12:58] <gnarface> its hosed
[12:58] <gnarface> don't do that again
[12:59] <Halberd1> All that happened just because I tried to install latest version of Smuxi IRC client :-/
[12:59] <gnarface> well its the fact that you tried to install it from debian
[12:59] <gnarface> which isn't binary compatible with the pi's hardware
[13:00] <Halberd1> one of the dependicies related to Mono was unavailable so I tried to find it :-D
[13:00] <gnarface> some of the dependencies that it "upgraded" for you no doubt were vital to boot
[13:01] <gnarface> but... wasn't that irc client in the actual raspbian repos?
[13:02] <Halberd1> I'll have to make a clean install again after a week or so....
[13:02] <Halberd1> It is, but not the latest version. https://smuxi.im/download/
[13:03] <gnarface> well its probably the same version that was in debian wheezy
[13:03] <gnarface> and you probably don't actually need the latest version
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[13:03] <Halberd1> I followed their guide and messed it all up.
[13:03] <gnarface> but you *definitely* should have attempted to compile it
[13:04] <gnarface> there is a fairly simple process for backporting newer versions of things that is super easy in many cases if you work from the source package in debian sid or jessie
[13:04] <gnarface> compiling is slow unfortunately but if you do it right at least the result works...
[13:06] <Halberd1> Their solution seems easy. But the missing dependency...how can it happen?
[13:07] <Halberd1> I was some Mono library...
[13:07] <gnarface> let me get this straight... you want to upgrade to the bleeding-edge version of an IRC client that relies on Mono? on your PI??
[13:08] <Halberd1> Well it is meant to run on the Pi according to their website...otherwise it wouldn't be there.
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[13:09] <gnarface> if they told you to use the debian repos i believe someone is mistaken
[13:10] <Halberd1> this is the one they recommend deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/meebey/ppa/ubuntu precise main
[13:10] <gnarface> hah ubuntu
[13:10] <gnarface> that's even more hilarious
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[13:14] <Halberd1> I am confused completely...
[13:16] <Halberd1> Next time I'll try to compile it from source.
[13:16] <gnarface> Halberd1: i would recommend you do a fresh install then just use the version actually in the raspian repo until you find some way it is inferior in some practical way to whatever version they have up on their site as the latest version
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[13:18] <gnarface> Halberd1: that will be much safer. feel free to compile from source if you *really* need the latest version (keeping in mind that if you can't off the top of your head name specific features it has that the raspbian one doesn't, then you almost certainly don't) but whatever you do, DO NOT MIX DISTROS that is suicide
[13:19] <Halberd1> :-) OK...lesson learned
[13:19] <Halberd1> but why there isn't the latest software in raspbian repository?
[13:20] <gnarface> same reason its not in debian wheezy repository
[13:21] <gnarface> basically its against their policy to needlessly upgrade across major versions of any software because it causes inevitable incompatibilities
[13:22] <gnarface> unlike in many other distros, in debian and raspbian "stable" (wheezy currently) the idea is that you should be able to safely do "apt-get upgrade" without worrying that software YOU created will suddenly break
[13:22] <gnarface> now, that's not always the case, but it is the case far more often than in other distros
[13:24] <gnarface> they actually *backport* security fixes as patches into existing versions rather than updating to the upstream version (which would risk introducing other undiscovered bugs/vulnerabilities)
[13:25] <gnarface> "stable" refers to frequency of ABI changes, not "how often it breaks" (though if you've spent some time with ubuntu you'll notice quickly the two are often highly related)
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[13:27] <gnarface> there are also debian "testing" and "unstable" branches if you want to play with newer versions of everything, but as far as i know raspbian only currently goes up to "testing"
[13:28] <Halberd1> Unstable is Sid?
[13:29] <Halberd1> I'm actually a linux beginner but it is interesting to use it and learn.
[13:29] <gnarface> yes, unstable is sid
[13:29] <gnarface> unstable will always be sid, but testing eventually replaces stable periodically
[13:30] <gnarface> so while wheezy is currently stable and jessie is currently testing, one day jessie will be stable and there will be a new testing
[13:32] <Halberd1> Thanks, that's plenty of information. Maybe I should buy myself some literature about linux.
[13:33] <gnarface> you can do that but i think that the best information is probably freely available online just not well organized or advertised
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[13:35] <gnarface> Halberd1: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
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[13:37] <gnarface> the difficult trick really is just learning to recognize when something you're reading is out-of-date
[13:37] <gnarface> but its more difficult to get current information about linux in dead-tree form anyway
[13:38] <Halberd1> Is there any information about next release of Raspbian?
[13:39] <gnarface> well its also basically just a rebuild of debian jessie
[13:39] <gnarface> like the current raspbian is a rebuild of debian wheezy
[13:40] <gnarface> there might be info on here somewhere: http://raspbian.org/
[13:40] <gnarface> i'm certain someone else in this channel would know better than i
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[13:41] <gnarface> Halberd1: note, don't confuse raspbian.org with raspberrypi.org
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[13:46] <Halberd1> hmm ok, raspbian.org is about the OS.
[13:48] <gnarface> yea but raspberrypi.org also distributes their own raspbian images... so its confusing
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[13:52] <Halberd1> Just to catch up with GPG and things might go easier :-D
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[17:33] <diederik> Hi! According to http://vk5tu.livejournal.com/43059.html the Raspberry Pi has a hardware random number generator and you should be able to activate it through 'modprobe bcm2708-rng' (or _ instead of -)
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[17:33] <diederik> But when I try to do it, it fails with 'Module not found'.
[17:34] <diederik> Does the Pi have a hrng and if so, how to activate it?
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[17:39] <diederik> Another source: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19334&p=273944&hilit=hwrng#p273944
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ fuzepi: sudo modprobe bcm2708-rng
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ fuzepi: lsmod|fgrep rng
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> bcm2708_rng 1008 0
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> works for me.
[18:02] <diederik> which kernel are you using?
[18:02] <diederik> uname -a
[18:02] <diederik> Linux rasppi 3.10-3-rpi #1 Debian 3.10.11-1+rpi5 (2014-03-17) armv6l GNU/Linux
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[18:14] <atouk> lsmod to see if it's installed
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[18:16] <diederik> I ran rpi-update and now I do have it :)
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[18:18] <rela> some said rpi-update is evil
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[18:19] <atouk> never had rpi-update do anyathing bad
[18:19] <rela> same for me
[18:19] <rela> it fixed a nasty bug related to usb-serial adapters
[18:19] <atouk> i'm perfectly capabale of ruining an install all by myself, thank you
[18:20] <Maxa> I trust rpi-update because it's in the repos :P
[18:20] <rela> dont tell me that, i "rm -rf /"-d my pc at home once by accident :)
[18:20] <atouk> yeah, repos are always right. now let me tll you about this little SSL package
[18:20] <Maxa> heh
[18:20] <diederik> lol
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[18:23] <diederik> speaking of the rpi-update package ... it's missing a dependency on curl
[18:24] <atouk> did you apt_get update and upgrade first?
[18:24] <diederik> I used aptitude, but yes
[18:27] <rela> i want a rocket launcher
[18:27] <paultag> don't we all
[18:29] <diederik> rpi-update switched from wget to curl 24 days ago (https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/commit/dd495b8dd7f36dc411f2ed2bbdc21e4062b01a62)
[18:30] <rela> there was a bug in rpi-update with wget a few weeks ago
[18:30] <rela> it was not able do download anything
[18:30] <rela> it was a wget issue i think
[18:32] <diederik> That commit was indeed meant to fix it (issue 65)
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> diederik, sorry - was akf- the standard foundation kernel. Linux fuzepi 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Fri Jan 3 18:41:00 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[18:35] <diederik> np gordonDrogon :) It was a pebkac (too old firmware, running rpi-update fixed it)
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> not sure it'll actually add much into the existing /dev/random, but I guess every little helps!
[18:39] <diederik> Indeed. Was looking for a solution to https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/42
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> I've not use rpi-update for a very long time now.
[18:48] <atouk> do it. you know you want to...
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> no need...
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[20:10] <diederik> Is there a way to request a new firmware package to be placed in the archives? The current one is from 20130524, so almost a year old
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[20:26] <asmod4n> oh hi, looking at https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.10.y/arch/arm/Makefile#L119 every arm kernel is compile with soft-float, is that indented?
[20:26] <asmod4n> compiled*
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[20:32] <osman> hey guys
[20:33] <osman> i have some questions
[20:33] <osman> any body know a really small battery pack that will provide power to a pi
[20:33] <osman> for atleast two hours while connected to wifi streaming video
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[20:37] <rela> who is running his rpi 24/7?
[20:38] <osman> anybody know a good portable battery pack
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[20:38] <ppq> osman, a 1500 mAh usb power bank will power your pi for ~2 hours, provided it can supply enough power which is not always the case for such a "small" device
[20:38] <osman> could that power it while streaming for two hours
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[20:39] <ppq> depends on the specific model
[20:39] <osman> its only attachment would be a wifi dongle
[20:39] <osman> an edimax
[20:39] <osman> actually wrong
[20:39] <osman> i plan on getting a small screen that would mimic a calculator
[20:39] <osman> do you know any screens that would be like 90% or 100% close to a calculators screen
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[20:42] <osman> @ ppq could you help me find the stuff I need ill pay $2 paypal if i can find everythat that works , i know its not a lot but its important for me
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[20:43] <diederik> osman: Is a normal power supply out of the question? Is probably easier, more stable and can last longer
[20:44] <osman> I need this to be portable
[20:44] <osman> and fit in a calculator
[20:44] <osman> along with a pi
[20:44] <osman> like a graphing calc
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[20:46] <osman> I also need a screen to mimic a calculator
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[20:56] <osman> anybody
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[21:01] <diederik> osman: On https://www.facebook.com/groups/raspberry.pie/ Siju Mathew made a post about power supply and iirc someone also posted sth about using batteries
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[21:02] <diederik> Otherwise try the raspberry pi forums. I don't think your questions are restricted to raspbian.
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