#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-04-16

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:00] <raidensnake> I do like hifi's installer as it basicly makes the barebones
[0:01] <gnarface> its typically pretty reliable from all accounts... this is weird
[0:01] <raidensnake> btw I noticed there's a 3.14 kernel on the source
[0:02] <raidensnake> just wondering if it's been implemented yet
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[0:02] <gnarface> i certainly dont know, i'm clueless
[0:04] <atouk> what's the link. i have a few cards sitting here i'll try an install just for hahas
[0:04] <gnarface> atouk: https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[0:05] <atouk> give me a bit, and if nothing else i can confirm it's borked
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[0:10] <raidensnake> sorry my connection suddenly went down
[0:13] <atouk> installing. had to pop an rca in. it didn't like my tv via hdmi (no signal)
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[0:27] <atouk> after first boot it decided it liked the hdmi over the rca
[0:27] <atouk> logged into via ssh at first boot
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[0:28] <atouk> password changed, and set locales
[0:30] <atouk> tz set abd getting latest firmware
[0:30] <raidensnake> mine failed again
[0:31] <raidensnake> I've reformatted my memory card
[0:31] <atouk> i started with a clean formatted 8 gig card
[0:37] <atouk> firmware updated. reboting
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[0:38] <atouk> logged in as root by both ssh and keyboard
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[0:45] <atouk> installed raspi-config, set overclock, rebooted, and logged in as root again
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[0:47] <raidensnake> atm I'm reinstalling using a clean card and a clean setup
[0:47] <atouk> no problems here at all.
[0:49] <raidensnake> well I just used a blank card and just used the default netinstall and it's still refusing to log in
[0:50] <atouk> capslock?
[0:50] <raidensnake> no
[0:51] <raidensnake> capslock isn't even on
[0:51] <raidensnake> neither is numlock
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[0:51] <atouk> out of ideas. logged on direct and ssh for every stage of install
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[0:54] <raidensnake> I'm stuck at what to do since's the login screen keeps sticking 2 fingers up at me.
[0:54] <raidensnake> even with the RIGHT password it should have.
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[1:01] <raidensnake> I'm totally stumped
[1:02] <atouk> that's better than Jamie Lannister. He's only half stumped
[1:04] <raidensnake> well 3 things I do know fot a fact. it's not the pi, it's not my connection, or the way I'm setting it up.
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[1:05] <atouk> disconnect keyboard and try a clean install via ssh only
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[1:06] <raidensnake> I tried that as well
[1:06] <raidensnake> same problem
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[1:08] <atouk> are you using an external usb drive for root?
[1:08] <atouk> they looked like they needed some attention
[1:08] <atouk> oops wrong channel
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[1:09] <raidensnake> no
[1:09] <raidensnake> using the sd card
[1:09] <raidensnake> on the pi itself
[1:10] <atouk> i just followed the instructions on teh page, and no issues
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[1:18] <raidensnake> I did here and the root refuses to log in
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[1:26] <mut> Hello
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[4:56] <hifi> gnarface: I accepted a lot of pull requests and handed out maintainership
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[4:57] <hifi> I don't have a card reader at hand so I couldn't test anything
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[6:31] <potatoe-> hello how do I get X to start on boot?
[6:31] <potatoe-> i tried raspi-config
[6:31] <potatoe-> and it doesn't work
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[10:20] <ad-n770> anyone around that would like help me test hdmi audio passtrough with raspberry pi on GStreamer ?
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[10:21] <ad-n770> I'm looking for someone that has an rpi at hand connected to a capable dolby digital decoder trough hdmi and has some time to test experimental code I'm writting for gst-omx
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[11:47] <replicator2> anyone around? How do I start xserver on boot on a specified framebufer
[11:47] <replicator2> buffer
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[11:50] <replicator2> anyone around? How do I start xserver on boot on a specified framebufer
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[13:16] <yomanurock> I just got a new raspberry pi and booted it with raspbian
[13:17] <yomanurock> but whenever I try to use the net it givea the error could not resolve hostname google.com
[13:18] <yomanurock> (I have connected my pi to the net using an ethernet cable)
[13:18] <yomanurock> what do I do?
[13:18] <gnarface> replicator2: i'm confused.. isn't there only one? do you mean a specified virtual terminal?
[13:18] <yomanurock> ?
[13:19] <replicator2> gnarface, i solved that by xorg.conf
[13:19] <replicator2> anyway
[13:19] <replicator2> would you happen to know how to run a default application at startup
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[13:19] <replicator2> i tried to put it in .xinitrc
[13:19] <replicator2> and .bash_profile
[13:19] <replicator2> but it doesn't seem to work
[13:19] <gnarface> yomanurock: your /etc/resolv.conf is probably wrong. if you're using dhcp it should have been populated with something valid automatically as defined by your dhcp server. if you are using a static network config you have to set it up manually
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[13:19] <replicator2> bash_profile procs when I loginto the pi using ssh
[13:19] <replicator2> but not when the dm starts
[13:20] <gnarface> replicator2: you'll have to check the documentation for your desktop manager. ~/.xinitrc only runs when X actually starts with startx, i think the DM probably flat out ignores it
[13:20] <replicator2> gnarface, I think it is running lightdm
[13:21] <replicator2> i use dwm on gentoo so I'm lost when it comes to DM's
[13:21] <gnarface> replicator2: i don't use a DM so i can't tell you off the top of my head sorry
[13:21] <gnarface> replicator2: there should be a man page as well as docs for it in /usr/share/doc/lightdm or something like that
[13:22] <gnarface> replicator2: what did you mean by a specific framebuffer? like /dev/fb2 or something?
[13:22] <replicator2> yep
[13:22] <replicator2> so i put it in xorgconf
[13:22] <gnarface> what's the point of that?
[13:23] <replicator2> Option fbdev "/dev/fb1"
[13:23] <replicator2> because gnarface I have a tft on the pi
[13:23] <gnarface> are you using a external usb video display device or something?
[13:23] <replicator2> so i need to startx on fb1 if I want output on the tft
[13:23] <replicator2> not usb but gpio
[13:23] <gnarface> huh
[13:23] <gnarface> interesting
[13:23] <replicator2> inteedc
[13:23] <replicator2> indeed
[13:25] <replicator2> anyway I haven't touched all this in a very long time
[13:26] <replicator2> so a bit rusty
[13:26] <yomanurock> gnarface: my resolv.conf only contains one line- nameserver
[13:26] <gnarface> yomanurock: can you ping it?
[13:26] <yomanurock> is that right or wrong?
[13:27] <yomanurock> wait
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[13:27] <yomanurock> u meam can I ping it from another computer?
[13:27] <gnarface> yomanurock: no, i meant from the pi. its right if the ip is valid and the server is answering requests from you. you were probably provided DNS servers by your ISP though that you should be using instead.
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[13:28] <yomanurock> gnarface: if I try ping google.com it says unkown host google.co,
[13:28] <yomanurock> ^google.com
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[13:29] <gnarface> yomanurock: *sigh*. i meant the nameserver ip you're using.
[13:30] <gnarface> yomanurock: that ip is the ip of an external nameserver. if you can't reach it you obviously won't be able to resolve google.com
[13:30] <gnarface> yomanurock: the hint is in the name; "resolv.conf"
[13:30] <yomanurock> gnarface: no it says- connect: Network is unreachable
[13:30] <gnarface> yomanurock: you should have been able to infer all this by context
[13:30] <gnarface> yomanurock: ok, so the problem is your network
[13:31] <gnarface> yomanurock: failure to resolve google.com is just a symptom. your pi can't reach the network at all.
[13:31] <yomanurock> so now what do I do?
[13:31] <gnarface> yomanurock: undo whatever you did that broke it, would be a good choice
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[13:32] <gnarface> yomanurock: it used to work, right?
[13:32] <yomanurock> I have not done anything to the pi
[13:32] <yomanurock> no
[13:32] <yomanurock> I just got it today
[13:33] <gnarface> hmm. yet i remember being here when you were told to put in there... i was pretty sure...
[13:33] <gnarface> pastebin the output of /sbin/ifconfig
[13:35] <replicator2> gnarface, would you happen to know what is the result of starting a command with @
[13:35] <replicator2> like @nano
[13:35] <gnarface> replicator2: no, i don't know
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[13:39] <gnarface> yomanurock: the output of /sbin/ifconfig ?
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[13:44] <yomanurock> just wait a sec
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[13:48] <yomanurock> gnarface: output of /sbin/ifconfig is http://pastie.org/9085107
[13:49] <gnarface> yomanurock: you have no ip address. you need one of those too. its often also assigned by dhcp however it can be managed with the gui tool NetworkManager (if installed) or manually in the file /etc/network/interfaces
[13:49] <leio> replicator2: @ has no special meanings in shell, if that's what you are asking, there probably aren't many commands that start with @. But I believe in Makefiles, prefixing that makes the command itself not be displayed on stdout.
[13:49] <yomanurock> gnarface: how do I do that?
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[13:51] <yomanurock> ?
[13:51] <gnarface> yomanurock: well, first you have to know the valid ip address, netmask and gateway for your LAN - assuming you're behind a router of some sort. if the pi is connected directly to the public internet it would be provided by your ISP
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[13:52] <yomanurock> gnarface: yes my pi is behind a router
[13:52] <gnarface> yomanurock: well you should find out if it has DHCP
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[13:59] <yomanurock> gnarface: yes my dhcp is enabled
[14:00] <gnarface> yomanurock: do you have a dhcp client installed and running?
[14:00] <yomanurock> on my pi?
[14:00] <gnarface> yomanurock: yes
[14:01] <yomanurock> no
[14:01] <yomanurock> i just got my pi today
[14:01] <gnarface> well you'll need one
[14:01] <gnarface> or you'll need to manually specify an ip in /etc/network/interfaces (or in networkmanager, if installed)
[14:01] <yomanurock> how do i install one without a net connection
[14:01] <yomanurock> ?
[14:02] <gnarface> chances are you already actually do have one, if you used one of the preconfigured images from raspberrypi.org
[14:02] <yomanurock> how do i check if i do?
[14:03] <gnarface> dpkg -l |grep dhcp
[14:03] <yomanurock> wait a sec
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[14:07] <yomanurock> gnarface: the | key on that keyboard doesnt seem to work
[14:07] <yomanurock> it gives ~ as otp instead of |
[14:08] <yomanurock> any other way of checking if i have a dhcp client?
[14:09] <yomanurock> anyways, gotta go, mums calling
[14:09] <yomanurock> thx
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[15:50] <szikra> Hy all :)
[15:50] <szikra> i have a "old" raspberrypi (B modell, 256MB RAM), and i have a problem :(
[15:51] <szikra> yesterdey, i drop my pi, and the SD-Card slot crashed.
[15:52] <szikra> somewhere you can get to sd card slot?
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[15:54] <ppq> you can try to fix it yourself.. i don't think it makes sense to buy a new slot. IF you find it, it will most likely be more expensive than a new pi (because of shipping etc.)
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[15:56] <szikra> okay, thanks :)
[15:56] <ppq> i have seen people soldering a sd-microsd-adapter directly to the pi to avoid having to buy a new one
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[16:17] <szikra> hmm. here is my problem: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-a-Broken-Raspberry-Pi-SD-Card-Slot/
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[16:23] <osman> hey guys
[16:23] <osman> gnarface are you on
[16:23] <gnarface> 'sup osman
[16:23] <osman> do you know of a 2.8 inch diagnonal screen for the pi, i found an ada fruit touch screen one but it draws too much power and is too bulky
[16:24] <osman> i just need it to recieve numbers like a calculator and look like that
[16:25] <gnarface> osman: i've seen people online attach stuff like 2-line digital LCD displays (the type you'd find in a car stereo from the late 80's/early 90's) to gpio... maybe something like that would be more appropriate for your purposes?
[16:28] <osman> how do you attach it to a gpio
[16:28] <osman> what is a gpio by the way sorry
[16:28] <gnarface> osman: gpio is that double-row of pins sticking up off the pi's board.
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[16:28] <gnarface> osman: something like this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/790
[16:29] <osman> ah okay
[16:29] <osman> i need it to look exactly like a calculator screen though like no one can notice any inconsistancies
[16:30] <gnarface> osman: i can't tell you any specifics on using it unfortunately, but there may also be serial-capable ones you could in theory use with a usb->serial bridge of some sort (which they also sell on that site, but i can't tell you if they're supported by the pi kernel either, you'd have to do some research)
[16:30] <osman> alright thanks
[16:30] <gnarface> osman: well they have ones on there that look like calculator screens too: https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/76
[16:32] <osman> what about this
[16:32] <osman> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/serial-spi-2-8-tft-lcd-module-display-320x240-touch-sceen-arduino
[16:33] <gnarface> osman: i can't say if it would work, but i note that they mention arduino, which uses some completely other interface that is not gpio
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[16:34] <Odie_> that sounds like it came straight from expert
[16:34] <gnarface> osman: it also suggests you can use serial or parallel interfaces of some sort, but i think you should be able to find some instructions specific to a certain model of screen and the pi with gpio that would be a good example you could work from first
[16:35] <osman> so that one wouldn't probobly work
[16:35] <Odie_> http://www.100randomtasks.com/simple-spi-on-raspberry-pi
[16:35] <gnarface> osman: i am not gonna say you can't get it to work, i'm just saying you should find a pi-specific example before you buy something
[16:35] <osman> ok
[16:35] <Odie_> just read up how the interfacing is done and see if you can use that interface with pi
[16:36] <Odie_> these things are not "magic"
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[16:36] <gnarface> osman: or just ask Odie_ how to do it, cause he seems to be inferring he actually knows how to do this, which i never did
[16:36] <szikra> i found a Card Reader, with SD card slot (left), and here is my raspi (right): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByNdCm6X3ueCYjJoNU9sci1YYzA/edit?usp=sharing
[16:36] <osman> odie do you know how i would do that
[16:36] <osman> i am a complete noob/beginner
[16:36] <Odie_> read until you understand
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[16:36] <Odie_> the module you linked says it supports both serial and parallel spi
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[16:37] <Odie_> read what is spi
[16:37] <osman> i need to fit this in a calculator
[16:37] <Odie_> read if you can do that with the raspberry
[16:37] <Odie_> check the voltage levels
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[16:37] <Odie_> read
[16:37] <osman> im trying too
[16:37] <Odie_> and after you have read, you can ask more specific questions
[16:37] <tedjam> Hi, [Beginner Talking] I have just created a LAMP Stack web server from my pi and its working. What I would like is a way of connecting a domain to the site so that people out side of my network can connect to it, would that be possible and if so hoe?
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[16:38] <gnarface> tedjam: you have to buy a domain first
[16:38] <tedjam> I know that, but once I have done that
[16:39] <Odie_> tedjam: 0 idea what is lamp stack web server, but if you are looking up how to make web server and register domain (or get free one), you dont need to mention raspberry at all
[16:39] <Odie_> tedjam, you can probably find some sort of free dynamic dns
[16:39] <Odie_> that would work for you
[16:39] <BCMM> Odie_: linux apache mysql php
[16:39] <BCMM> tedjam: if you want a machine on your home network to be easilly available on the internet, you have to do two things:
[16:40] <Odie_> for most stuff raspberry is just a regular computer, or regular linux server/desktop (just with less cpu power)
[16:40] <gnarface> tedjam: the registrar should provide some web interface you can use to point a hostname at your public ip. then you just need to forward port 80 in to the pi
[16:40] <BCMM> tedjam: 1. configure your router to port-forward (in this case presumably port 80 to the Pi's internal IP address)
[16:41] <BCMM> tedjam: and 2. use a dynamic DNS service to give your network a permanent hostname
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[16:42] <BCMM> tedjam: conventional DNS doesn't work well with a home connection cause the IP address tends to change, but you can get a free "dynamic dns" subdomain from dnsdynamic.org, for example
[16:43] <BCMM> tedjam: you would use a "dynamic DNS client" on the Pi to notify your dynamic DNS provider when your ip address changes. ddclient works well.
[16:43] <tedjam> and so with that I will be able to connect to that, once I have port-forwarded 80?
[16:44] <BCMM> tedjam: (i presume you are talking about a typical home broadband network here)?
[16:44] <tedjam> BCMM: Yes I am
[16:44] <BCMM> tedjam: yeah; i use it on a few machines (for ssh, not http, but it's TCP is TCP)
[16:44] <Odie_> easy way of telling us how this is setup if you tell us our raspberry's ip address
[16:45] <Odie_> from that we can see if its public ip address that might support direct connection or a private one that needs that port forwarding setup
[16:45] <tedjam> The way I connect to the site is by going to 192.168.0.X
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[16:45] <osman> afraid.org dns
[16:45] <Odie_> thats private ip address
[16:46] <Odie_> so you need the port forward BCMM was talking about
[16:46] <tedjam> Thats what I thought, thanks!
[16:46] <BCMM> tedjam: you get a free subdomain like tedjam.dnsdynamic.org, and install the ddclient daemon on the pi to keep that domain pointing to your (most likely changeable) IP address. that gives people a way to find your router
[16:47] <BCMM> tedjam: then you tell your router taht all incoming connections on port 80 (default http port) are to be forwarded to the pi, and job done
[16:47] <BCMM> tedjam: oh, you'll also want to make sure that the pi has a static IP address inside your network. have you manually configured an IP address for hte pi already?
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[16:48] <tedjam> BCMM: No I haven't how would I do that. And what was the ddclient?
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[16:48] <BCMM> tedjam: ddclient is a bit of software that you can run on your pi
[16:49] <BCMM> tedjam: basically, every 5 minutes or something, it checks if your (external) IP address has changed, and if so logs in to your dynamic DNS provider and updates it
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[16:49] <BCMM> tedjam: it's available in raspbian's repos
[16:50] <Odie_> you can test it wthout the domain too
[16:50] <BCMM> tedjam: see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually for how to stop the Pi's internal IP address getting changed by DHCP
[16:50] <Odie_> but it might be easiet with it
[16:50] <BCMM> tedjam: yeah, as Odie_ says you can test the port-forwarding bit without dynamic DNS working
[16:51] <tedjam> And so with the ddclient I would not need to get the free DNS?
[16:51] <BCMM> tedjam: just forward the port, check your IP address on http://icanhazip.com/ and tell it to us
[16:51] <tedjam> ok
[16:51] <BCMM> tedjam: no, ddclient was for us *with* a free dynamic DNS account
[16:52] <tedjam> ok, thanks
[16:52] <BCMM> tedjam: basically, when your ip address changes, ddclient logs in to dnsdynamic.org (for example) and informs them of the change
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[16:52] <BCMM> thebrush: then dnsdynamic.org updates their DNS server so people trying to resolve your subdomain go to the right place
[16:53] <BCMM> tedjam: sorry mishighlight -^
[16:53] <BCMM> tedjam: my advise is to get the internal static ip address working first, then port forwarding (we can help you check it's really working from the "outside world"), then DNS
[16:54] <tedjam> BCMM: That would make sense, Ill work on getting the IP static then ill return
[16:55] <BCMM> tedjam: do you understand about static ip addresses/have you used them on other systems before?
[16:55] <tedjam> BCMM: Not really, I get what they are, but not really how to set them up
[16:56] <BCMM> tedjam: the address should be in the right range; you could just use the Pi's current one for example
[16:56] <BCMM> tedjam: the gateway is the ip address of your router
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[16:56] <BCMM> tedjam: and for the rest you can copy the debian wiki
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[17:04] <tedjam> On the tutorial that I'm following, it tells me to edit a file, but when I do the command to edit it in console, it just comes up blank
[17:05] <BCMM> tedjam: which tutorial do you mean? the debian wiki i just linked?
[17:05] <Odie_> it might be possible to make the static ip allocation from the router aswell
[17:05] <Odie_> from its dhcp server
[17:05] <Odie_> but this depends on your outer
[17:05] <Odie_> router
[17:05] <tedjam> BCCM: It was not that one, but from a different site
[17:06] <BCMM> tedjam: what is it telling you to edit? and can you link the tutorial?
[17:07] <tedjam> BCCM: It was changing the same file. http://bit.ly/1tau7TQ step C
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[17:08] <BCMM> tedjam: raspbian is (very nearly) just debian - there is nothing wrong with debian documentation...
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[17:08] <BCMM> tedjam: oh, are you logging in remotely? are you also able to log in to the pi with a kb and screen?
[17:09] <tedjam> BCCM: Its ok now, I just didnt understand but now I do, But I still cant access the file. Im talking on me laptop but I'm connecting to my pi directly
[17:11] <BCMM> tedjam: ok. was just asking because when your only connection is remote it's a total pain if you break the network config :)
[17:11] <BCMM> tedjam: (btw in most IRC clients you can tab-complete usernames - i won't get a notification for "BCCM")
[17:12] <tedjam> BCMM: Whats that? The CTCP?
[17:12] <BCMM> tedjam: checking you weren't on a web client or something before i said the above :)
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[17:13] <tedjam> BCMM: ok
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[17:13] <tedjam> BCMM: Its coming up with 'cannot find file to write' when I'm in the interfaces.txt file, how do I resolve that?
[17:14] <BCMM> tedjam: no .txt
[17:14] <BCMM> it's just /etc/network/interfaces
[17:14] <BCMM> tedjam: btw you can tab-complete filenames on the linux shell to :)
[17:15] <BCMM> tedjam: so if you type something like "nano /etc/netw<TAB>inter<TAB>" you'll know you haven't typo'ed
[17:15] <tedjam> BCMM: ok, but how do I get round the error message? I had it before and I needed to use chmod
[17:16] <BCMM> tedjam: what editor are you using?
[17:16] <tedjam> BCMM: the Leafpad
[17:17] <BCMM> tedjam: which user are you running leafpad as?
[17:17] <tedjam> BCMM: Thats the problem... I was running it as my user not the root
[17:18] <BCMM> tedjam: right. you'll need to be root to change your network configuration
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[17:19] <yomanurock> gnarface: are you there?
[17:19] <gnarface> 'sup yomanurock? fix your keyboard yet?
[17:19] <BCMM> tedjam: afk 15 minutes i'm afraid. good luck.
[17:20] <tedjam> BCMM: Thanks for your help so far!
[17:20] <yomanurock> no
[17:20] <yomanurock> but I do have a dhcp client
[17:20] <osman> hey guys
[17:20] <gnarface> yomanurock: is it running?
[17:20] <osman> a guy told me this
[17:20] <osman> It has SPI so it should work (there are SPI drivers) if you manage to wire it with that ugly flex connector. Maybe it will be easier if you get a shield instead, specially if you are getting started.
[17:21] <osman> how does one wire an ugly flex connector : O
[17:21] <yomanurock> does what work?
[17:21] <yomanurock> Iokay b
[17:21] <yomanurock> have to go
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[17:40] <tedjam> I think that I have made my Pi's IP static now, What do I do next?
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[17:46] <BCMM> tedjam: i'm back. want to pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces, or are you already confident that the static allocation works?
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[18:03] <osman> guys
[18:04] <osman> could I take off the ethernet port and would it sitll work
[18:09] <BCMM> osman: yes. the model A doesn't even come with an ethernet port
[18:09] <osman> darn i wish i got the model a
[18:09] <osman> how would i take it off with model b
[18:09] <BCMM> sell it and get a model a?
[18:09] <BCMM> alternatively, i think i saw a blog about it somewhere
[18:10] <BCMM> somebody wanted the RAM of a model B and the power consumption of a model A, or something
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[18:11] <osman> whats the power consumption of a model a
[18:14] <tedjam> BCMM: Hi, I'm back now
[18:14] <BCMM> hi
[18:14] <tedjam> BCMM: I think that the static allocation is working, Ill paste bin it now...
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[18:15] <BCMM> osman: "as little as 500mA with no peripherals attached" http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
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[18:17] <tedjam> BCMM: http://pastebin.com/Ud8fFccF
[18:18] <BCMM> tedjam: i don't know your network, but that looks sound to me. have you rebooted and checked that you still have an internte connection?
[18:19] <tedjam> BCMM: Yes I have, I have also pinged the gateway address and that worked. What do I need to do now? P-F 80?
[18:20] <BCMM> tedjam: yep. have you done port forwarding before, and do you understand what NAT is?
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[18:20] <tedjam> BCMM: No, not off the top of my head
[18:21] <BCMM> tedjam: basically, there aren't enough ipv4 addresses, so your ISP only gives you one
[18:21] <tedjam> BCMM: Ok, makes sense
[18:21] <BCMM> tedjam: so you have your local network with addresses, that isn't really routable to and from the internet
[18:22] <BCMM> tedjam: and a router that does "network address translation" so you can access stuff on the real internet
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[18:22] <BCMM> tedjam: it does this automatically for outgoing connections, but for incoming connections, you need to configure the router to "forward" connections to a specific machine on the network
[18:23] <BCMM> tedjam: so log in to your router's admin interface and look for and page called something like "port forwarding", "NAT", "applications and gaming", or possibly something else
[18:23] <BCMM> routers are horribly inconsistent
[18:24] <BCMM> s/and/a/
[18:24] <BCMM> tedjam: and there you will be able to set up something like "forward port 80 to address"
[18:24] <tedjam> BCMM: Nothing like that, Ill try googling it for my router [DGN1000 NetGear]
[18:26] <BCMM> tedjam: advanced -> services
[18:26] <BCMM> tedjam: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Netgear/DGN1000/HTTP.htm
[18:27] <tedjam> ok, im there
[18:28] <BCMM> actually i think that portforward.com thing makes it looks harder than it is..
[18:29] <tedjam> It would be Inbound wouldn't it?
[18:29] <BCMM> http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/DGN1000/DGN1000_UM_29Feb12.pdf page 51 actually has HTTP as their example
[18:29] <BCMM> (which is nice; they usually assume you're trying to host a video game server)
[18:29] <BCMM> but yeah, inboudn rule
[18:30] <tedjam> And the 'send to lan server' would be the gateway IP?
[18:30] <BCMM> service: http. action: allow always. send to lan server: wan users: any.
[18:30] <BCMM> tedjam: no, you want the pi's address
[18:30] <tedjam> ok
[18:30] <BCMM> tedjam: the "gateway" is your router. this is you telling the router to send HTTP traffic to the Pi
[18:30] <tedjam> that would be the Inet Addr
[18:31] <BCMM> your pi is right?
[18:31] <tedjam> Yes
[18:31] <tedjam> And I use that in the Send to LAN server
[18:31] <BCMM> yup
[18:32] <tedjam> I think that I am done!
[18:32] <BCMM> "This is the index.html page for Freddie's RPI Website"
[18:32] <tedjam> Thats me!
[18:32] <BCMM> works for me
[18:32] <BCMM> (got your IP address from IRC)
[18:32] <BCMM>
[18:32] <tedjam> thats cool! Thanks!
[18:33] <BCMM> tedjam: for dynamic dns, everybody used to use dyndns.org but i hear they charge for their service now. i've been using http://dnsdynamic.org/ for a while and had no issues with them
[18:33] <BCMM> tedjam: they even have an example of how to set up your ddclient config file https://www.dnsdynamic.org/api.php
[18:34] <tedjam> How do I get ddclient? it would be sudo apt-get .....
[18:34] <BCMM> tedjam: yeah, sudo apt-get ddclient should do it
[18:35] <tedjam> apt-get install, Thats it isn't it?
[18:35] <tedjam> Yep thats working"
[18:35] <tedjam> ~!
[18:35] <BCMM> yeah sorry i forgot the install bit
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[18:36] <BCMM> (i spend more time in gentoo than debian-based stuff)
[18:36] <BCMM> tedjam: am i right in saying that debian prompts you to do a sort of configuration wizard when you install ddclient?
[18:37] <BCMM> if it does, you may find it easier to just give it random answers and edit the config file manually afterwards
[18:37] <tedjam> BCMM: Yes, it has just asked what server I want, I have chosen other and www.dnsdynamic.org
[18:37] <BCMM> tedjam: you'll need an account on dnsdynamic first
[18:38] <BCMM> tedjam: i wouldn't bother with the wizard - you can just copy and paste the example from dnsdynamic and change the username, password and domain
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[18:38] <tedjam> What 'Dynmic DNS Update Protocol' do I want?
[18:38] <BCMM> tedjam: from memory, i think debian makes some confusing assumptions about how you'll be finding out your IP address
[18:39] <BCMM> tedjam: dyndns2
[18:39] <BCMM> tedjam: it's all on https://www.dnsdynamic.org/api.php
[18:39] <tedjam> ok
[18:39] <BCMM> (this is assuming you end up using dnsdynamic.org)
[18:39] <tedjam> Ah yes, I see now
[18:40] <tedjam> I just now need to wait for an email from them...
[18:42] <BCMM> tedjam: it may be easiest to just replace debian's auto-generated config file with the example
[18:42] <BCMM> you can always get debian to auto-generate it again using dpkg-reconfigure
[18:43] <tedjam> How would I exit the wizard then
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[18:43] <BCMM> not sure actually, but if you're replacign the config file anyway there's no harm in just giving random answers
[18:43] <tedjam> dw, I worked it out
[18:43] <tedjam> ESC
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[18:46] <tedjam> BCMM: Where would the file be?
[18:46] <BCMM> tedjam: it's /etc/ddclient/ddclient.conf on my gentoo box; do you have that file?
[18:46] <BCMM> tedjam: you will have to be root to read it btw, since it contains a password
[18:47] <BCMM> tedjam: if that doesn't exist try looking in /etc/ddclient.conf
[18:47] <BCMM> actually i think it's the latter on debian
[18:50] <tedjam> Yeah it is the latter one on my system, I cant read it and there is sometihng funny with the sudo leafpad /etc/path/file command and it is comminf up blank, I am safe to paste and change the details and then overwrite the orig. file?
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[18:51] <BCMM> tedjam: i don't know if ddclient checks permissions
[18:51] <BCMM> tedjam: i mean, it may complain if the new file is world-readable
[18:51] <gnarface> tedjam: is it a 0-byte file?
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[18:52] <BCMM> tedjam: you won't be able to read it as a normal user, but try sudo cat /etc/ddclient.conf
[18:52] <BCMM> tedjam: it's also possible that it is blank, as gnarface says. maybe that's what you get if you cancel the wizard
[18:52] <BCMM> anyway i'm going to eat now, have fun
[18:53] <gnarface> yes, i expect canceling the wizard halfway through probably leaves you with an empty config
[18:53] <gnarface> there is typically an example config in /usr/share/doc/[package name] though
[18:53] <gnarface> if not you could always just re-run the config and complete it this time
[18:53] <tedjam> gnarface: I dont think that It is blank, its when I sudo leafpad it comes up blank
[18:53] <gnarface> or, worst case, purge the package and install it again
[18:54] <gnarface> tedjam: try the sudo cat thing
[18:54] <gnarface> i'm not familiar with leafpad
[18:54] <tedjam> 'No such file or directory'....
[18:54] <gnarface> its just not there then
[18:55] <BCMM> tedjam: dpkg -L ddclient
[18:55] <gnarface> that also explains why leafpad gives you an empty file; its assuming you want to create one
[18:55] <BCMM> tedjam: it will list all file ddclient owns
[18:55] <BCMM> (i'm actually AFK now)
[18:56] <tedjam> Ok, it is not there, bit in the file manager it is there and is a 143 byte file
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[18:56] <tedjam> ~But
[18:57] <gnarface> tedjam: does dpkg -L list *any* files for ddclient in /etc?
[18:58] <tedjam> gnarface: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient and /etc/init.c/ddclient
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[19:00] <gnarface> tedjam: occasionally some packages actually do expect you to manually create the main config. what i'd do is re-run that "dpkg-reconfigure ddclient" wizard, complete it, see if it creates a conf file for you, and if not, look in /usr/share/doc/ddclient/examples
[19:00] <tedjam> ok
[19:01] <gnarface> tedjam: there should be instructions on exactly what to do in /usr/share/doc/ddclient to set it up, and an example config or two in /usr/share/doc/ddclient/examples
[19:01] <gnarface> look for files with "README" or "README.Debian" in the name especially
[19:01] <tedjam> Also, on a nother note, On the dnsdyamic site then i try and make an account it says 'Could not open socket' Any Idea on how to fix that?
[19:02] <gnarface> the browser pops up that error, or it actualy prints "Could not open socket" into the browser window?
[19:03] <gnarface> (the latter suggests their database crashed; probably not your fault)
[19:03] <tedjam> Ok, not my fault then!
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[19:04] <tedjam> Im not hearing back from them at the moment, Ill wait for abit longer then I will come back
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[19:26] <BCMM> tedjam: i can log in to dnsdynamic, so i guess their database isn't down now...
[19:27] <tedjam> BCMM: Thats strange, I'm still no further. Awaiting an email
[19:27] <BCMM> tedjam: at what point does it break? when you hit submit?
[19:29] <tedjam> BCMM: Yes, Well I have two main emails I submitted one to the site and then after a while, I thought it may be that so I re submitted one with my other email
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[19:31] <BCMM> tedjam: i guess they're having problems then... funny, they've always been quite reliable imho
[19:31] <BCMM> you could wait or find another provider i suppose
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[19:31] <tedjam> BCMM: I'll wait till tommorow, then if they still have not replyed, I will try a different one
[19:34] <tedjam> Thanks for the help BCMM and gnarface!
[19:34] <BCMM> yw
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[19:34] <tedjam> Ill be going now
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[19:34] <gnarface> no problem, good luck
[19:34] <tedjam> Thanks!
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[19:37] <osman> hello
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[19:52] <osman> hey guys
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[20:13] <osman> is anybody on
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[20:26] <raidensnake> hey is hifi around?
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[20:28] <raidensnake> I'm still unable to log in as root
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[20:32] <raidensnake> why it's not letting me i don't know
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[20:34] <osman> hey gnar face
[20:34] <osman> are you on
[20:35] <osman> gnarface
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[20:38] <osman> odie_ are you on
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[20:48] <osman> gnarface
[20:49] <gnarface> osman: i'm back. to flag Odie_ you may need to capitalize correctly. most IRC clients should do tab completion though
[20:51] <osman> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/28-USB-TFT-Display-Module-For-Raspberry-Pi-p-1699.html
[20:51] <osman> i found two promising ones
[20:51] <osman> https://www.displaytech-us.com/2-8-inch-tft
[20:51] <osman> i think the first one is better but let me know what you think
[20:52] <gnarface> osman: i thought you didn't want it to be a touch screen?
[20:53] <osman> this one seems easier to install
[20:53] <osman> i just want it to mimic a calculator screen that is 2.8 inches diagional
[20:53] <gnarface> well you're right the first one sure does seem easier to install, but i think Odie_ is probably better to ask
[20:54] <osman> alright
[20:54] <osman> would this drain battery if i somehow configure it so it runs like a calculator would
[20:54] <osman> like screen wise
[20:54] <osman> not in color \
[20:54] <osman> is that possible
[20:55] <gnarface> i mean, its still gonna drain battery
[20:56] <gnarface> it might drain a little less if you turn off the backlight and don't use full color, but only in theory.
[20:56] <gnarface> i would suspect being touch sensetive would use some extra battery over a non-touch display too
[20:57] <gnarface> but you can always just use more battery...
[20:59] <gnarface> you might want to make sure you actually *can* disable the backlight if your'e trying to dupe a calculator that doesn't have a backlight
[21:00] <osman> true
[21:00] <osman> one more thing
[21:00] <osman> when i type su root
[21:00] <osman> it asks for password i give my normal password
[21:00] <osman> and it says authentication failure
[21:00] <osman> whats default pi apassword
[21:00] <gnarface> su is different than sudo
[21:00] <osman> i thought it was raspberry
[21:01] <gnarface> su will ask for the root password
[21:01] <gnarface> the default depends on which image/installer you used
[21:01] <gnarface> but if you have sudo installed you could just use that to reset it
[21:01] <osman> how could i reseti t
[21:01] <gnarface> "sudo passwd"
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[21:03] <osman> ok thankyou
[21:04] <Darky> you're not supposed to set a password for root, by default you can't use a password to log in to root
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[21:04] <osman> should i delete it
[21:04] <Darky> if you really need to be root and don't want to use sudo for each action, use "sudo su"
[21:05] <osman> alright
[21:05] <osman> do i just do
[21:05] <osman> sudo psswd
[21:05] <osman> and hit enter enter
[21:05] <osman> to turn it back to nothing
[21:05] <Darky> no ! that would remove the password entirely... so you'd need no password to auth
[21:08] <osman> im trying to set up a dynamic dns
[21:08] <osman> if the ip of the mobile hotspot changes
[21:08] <osman> what do I put for destination
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[21:12] <gnarface> i don't really agree with the advice to not set a root password
[21:12] <gnarface> sudo is a security hole
[21:12] <gnarface> you shouldn't allow root access via ssh directly (which i think is disabled now by default?) but root should definitely have a password
[21:12] <gnarface> a *good* password
[21:13] <gnarface> osman, Darky ^^
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[21:13] <gnarface> if you have a good root password you can use su and you can remove the security hole that is sudo
[21:13] <osman> ok
[21:13] <gnarface> i guess everyone does it differently though
[21:15] <raidensnake> too bad I can't log into root on this netinstall
[21:15] <gnarface> one thing is for sure; taking a pre-build image from a 3rd party distributor and leaving the default root password in place is the WORST idea
[21:15] <gnarface> raidensnake: you mean you can't ssh to it as root, or you mean you can't actually log in as root?
[21:16] <raidensnake> well with hifi;s netinstall the installer works bug it always rejects the login for some unknown reason
[21:16] <raidensnake> but*
[21:16] <raidensnake> even with the default settings it sticks 2 fingers up at me and says I'm not letting you in.
[21:16] <gnarface> oh, you're still having that bug
[21:16] <raidensnake> yes
[21:16] <raidensnake> I've tried 30 times now
[21:17] <raidensnake> even on a seperate connection
[21:17] <raidensnake> the same problem
[21:17] <gnarface> that's so weird. and you're not using a laptop-layout keyboard with numlock stuck on, you're sure?
[21:17] <raidensnake> no
[21:17] <gnarface> and if you log in as a non-root user, can you su to root?
[21:17] <raidensnake> I can't since the net installer doesn't make a non-root user
[21:18] <raidensnake> only the root as the default
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[21:18] <gnarface> ah, but the install-config.txt is executed as a shell script, so you can just throw in the command to make a non-root user
[21:18] <raidensnake> i already tried that
[21:18] <gnarface> i know, you shouldn't have to, but it would be a way to test
[21:18] <raidensnake> same problem
[21:18] <osman> gnar
[21:18] <gnarface> you mean you can't log in as any user, raidensnake ?
[21:18] <osman> whats best way to set up a dns clien
[21:18] <osman> dns client
[21:18] <raidensnake> nope
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[21:19] <gnarface> osman: you're not using wifi right?
[21:19] <osman> http://blog.mivia.dk/free-dynamic-dns-for-raspberry-pi/
[21:19] <osman> nvm
[21:19] <raidensnake> cause from what little I can tell the netinstall isn't writing the login info on setup
[21:19] <osman> one sec
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[21:19] <raidensnake> either at all or properly
[21:19] <gnarface> osman: oh you mean dyndns or something? not dhcp?
[21:20] <osman> yes
[21:20] <gnarface> osman: there should be several available clients. you can take your pick: apt-cache search dynamic.dns
[21:21] <osman> im installing the domain on my home ip right now
[21:21] <osman> but is there a way so i can use it on amobile hotspot
[21:22] <osman> that always changes ips when i restart it
[21:22] <gnarface> that is what dynamic dns is for
[21:22] <osman> alright
[21:23] <gnarface> raidensnake: you mean, after the installer finishes, if you mount the sd card with an external card reader, you can't find the users in /etc/passwd?
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[21:23] <raidensnake> no as there is no /etc/passwd
[21:23] <raidensnake> it doesn't write one
[21:24] <gnarface> something is definitely wrong with that
[21:24] <raidensnake> the installer for some reason doesn't write the login info properly as it doesn't know what to do.
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[21:24] <gnarface> raidensnake: are you sure it even manages to connect to the net to download any packages?
[21:25] <raidensnake> yeah as I've seen the status myself
[21:25] <raidensnake> everything downloads and installs fine from what it displays
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[21:26] <gnarface> raidensnake: that's pretty weird... and this is how big of an SD card?
[21:26] <raidensnake> 16GB
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[21:27] <osman> where the hell did ddclient download too
[21:27] <gnarface> raidensnake: that other guy the other night tested it right on the heels of you and it worked for him. something has to be different
[21:27] <atouk> still no joy on network install?
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[21:27] <gnarface> ah, that guy^
[21:27] <raidensnake> I even tried a 2GB and it didn't work either
[21:27] <raidensnake> no nothing works
[21:27] <gnarface> osman: there should be setup instructions in /usr/share/doc/ddclient
[21:28] <osman> i downloaded it but cant find it
[21:28] <raidensnake> it's not configuring the login by the looks of things
[21:28] <osman> oh
[21:28] <osman> ere we go
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[21:29] <gnarface> osman: in general with *any* debian package, if you can't figure out where to start, start in /usr/share/doc/[package name]
[21:30] <gnarface> osman: i've never used ddclient but inferring from someone else earlier, it may require you manually create the initial config. there should be an example one in there too though.
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[21:30] <osman> how do i reinstall ddclient
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[21:31] <gnarface> apt-get --purge ddclient && apt-get install ddclient
[21:31] <gnarface> or maybe its "apt-get purge ddclient" without the --
[21:32] <raidensnake> btw whoever wrote the issue on github needs to tell hifi I'm not using any config files.
[21:32] <raidensnake> just the contents of the zip file and nothing else
[21:32] <Baikonur> apt-get purge ddclient && apt-get binge ddclient
[21:32] <atouk> raidensnake: to ask another stupid question, are you using raspberrypi for the password for root, or raspbian
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[21:32] <raidensnake> the default one the installer is supposed to set which is "raspbian"
[21:32] <gnarface> Baikonur: binge?
[21:33] <Baikonur> :D
[21:33] <gnarface> Baikonur: does that actually do anything or are you just purposefully confusing him?
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[21:34] <Baikonur> doesn't do anything, and my purpose wasn't explicitly to confuse, but rather to make an ill judged joke about an eating disorder
[21:35] <gnarface> hah. oh
[21:35] * gnarface really takes things far too literally
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[21:37] <osman> isognar
[21:37] <osman> i downloaded ddclient and its telling me to go to
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[21:37] <osman> where is that /etc/ddclient.conf
[21:38] <gnarface> osman: there should be a readme in /usr/share/doc/ddclient that explains all this, but i believe you have to create the file manually. there should be an example in /usr/share/doc/ddclient/examples
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[21:42] <osman> alright ddone
[21:42] <osman> how do i save
[21:42] <osman> i did nano ddclient.conf
[21:42] <osman> and edited it
[21:42] <gnarface> doesn't nano have instructions printed right along the bottom on how to save and exit and such?
[21:43] <osman> yea
[21:43] <osman> doesnt say save
[21:43] <osman> it says exit
[21:43] <osman> but not sure if that saves it
[21:43] <gnarface> does it say "write" instead of save perhaps?
[21:43] <osman> nvm fixed it
[21:43] <osman> my bad
[21:43] <gnarface> i'm certain if you had just hit exit it would have prompted you to save
[21:43] <osman> yea it did
[21:43] <osman> rebooting now
[21:44] <osman> hopefully this works
[21:44] <gnarface> no!
[21:44] <gnarface> christ
[21:44] <osman> wot
[21:44] <gnarface> you shouldn't have to reboot the whole machine
[21:44] <osman> it says too
[21:44] <osman> to
[21:44] <gnarface> just /etc/init.d/ddclient restart
[21:44] <osman> damn
[21:44] <gnarface> i'm sure it says reboot ddclient, not the whole machine
[21:44] <gnarface> i guess i could be wrong
[21:44] <gnarface> it won't matter
[21:44] <gnarface> just wasting time that's all
[21:45] <osman> alright testing it out now
[21:46] <osman> is there a way
[21:46] <raidensnake> isn't there anyway of setting a password without having to run the installer again?
[21:46] <osman> i can type on the desktop with ssh
[21:46] <osman> because i cant use keyboard on the pi atm
[21:47] <gnarface> raidensnake: there is, its called "passwd" but if your /etc/passwd file doesn't even exist, something greater went wrong
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[21:47] <raidensnake> i mean if there's no way to login
[21:48] <gnarface> osman: you can install and use VNC if you need to type on a desktop, but since you can launch graphical apps over ssh using X11-forwarding, and do most anything from a console prompt, you typically don't need a desktop
[21:48] <gnarface> raidensnake: you could try linux single, but i have no idea to expect whether it works
[21:48] <osman> how would i tell it to go to router
[21:48] <osman> like
[21:49] <gnarface> osman: i'm not sure what you mean
[21:49] <osman> like in the browser
[21:49] <gnarface> osman: you mean type the ip of the router in the browser...?
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[21:50] <osman> yea
[21:50] <osman> can i do that through ssh
[21:50] <gnarface> yea you can
[21:50] <osman> how do i do that
[21:50] <gnarface> launch the browser...
[21:51] <osman> i did
[21:51] <osman> but can i type through ssh
[21:51] <osman> instead of plugging a keyboard in
[21:52] <gnarface> osman: no. don't start x, don't run a desktop manager, just log in through ssh and start the browser.
[21:52] <osman> oh
[21:52] <osman> sorry for being a noob
[21:52] <osman> but how do i start browser in ssh
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[21:53] <osman> nvm
[21:53] <osman> got it
[21:53] <raidensnake> ok this time it sis make a passwd file
[21:53] <raidensnake> did
[21:54] <gnarface> osman: you should see the browser just open magically like its local. did it work? if not you probably need to enable X11 forwarding in your client and/or on the pi
[21:54] <gnarface> last time i tried i thought it was on by default though in openssh
[21:55] * gnarface might have simply enabled it and forgot though
[21:57] <gnarface> raidensnake: any idea what changed?
[21:57] <raidensnake> no
[21:57] <raidensnake> i didn't do anything
[21:57] <raidensnake> irt just decided to write the file and root is listed
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[22:10] <osman> i portforarded
[22:10] <osman> but it doesnt work
[22:10] <osman> :o
[22:11] <gnarface> osman: you probably can't test port forwarding from the inside
[22:11] <osman> im trying it from my computer
[22:11] <osman> the pi is connected to a veriizion wireless hotspot
[22:11] <gnarface> oh
[22:11] <gnarface> well verison could be blocking it
[22:11] <raidensnake> looking at the defaily config it seems like this is messing up
[22:11] <raidensnake> echo -n root:$rootpw | chroot /rootfs /usr/sbin/chpasswd || fail
[22:12] <osman> it allows portforwarding
[22:12] <osman> i portforwarded
[22:12] <osman> which is the pis ip
[22:12] <gnarface> osman: try port forwarding a different port, something above 1024
[22:13] <osman> okay
[22:14] <gnarface> osman: its common for crappy ISPs to block port 80 and 25 and other useful ports from the outside to prevent just what you're attempting
[22:14] <gnarface> osman: i don't know verizon's policy but its also worth asking them. they might claim its just for your security and you might be able to get them to turn it off
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[22:15] <gnarface> osman: also, the hotspot features itself might have a built-in firewall that's enabled by default that would trump your port forwarding. worth looking carefully
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[22:28] <osman> its not working
[22:28] <osman> sweet
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[22:29] <gnarface> osman: did you try forwarding like, port 2005 to
[22:29] <osman> yea
[22:30] <gnarface> osman: did you also check to see if the device had a firewall enabled?
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[22:30] <osman> yea
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[22:30] <osman> let me try one more time
[22:30] <atouk> for forwarding I have my pi listen on both 80 for lan, and 8000 for wan, and fprward 8000 to the pi fixed ip
[22:31] <atouk> then access teh pi on wan from htttp://wanip:8000
[22:32] <osman> hmm
[22:32] <osman> lets see if this works
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[22:33] <osman> nope
[22:34] <gnarface> osman: it works locally though, right?
[22:34] <osman> but when i have the hotspot on me and it streaming the video
[22:34] <osman> i need a friend to be watching the stream
[22:34] <osman> so he needs to connect somehow
[22:35] <atouk> what's generating the stream
[22:36] <osman> the pi cam
[22:36] <osman> im guessing i will have to transmit the stream to a vps now
[22:36] <osman> or osmething
[22:36] <atouk> what software
[22:38] <osman> some sort of web interface
[22:38] <osman> but its a bit laggy im just looking for the best way
[22:38] <osman> to transmit it over the wifi hotspot
[22:39] <atouk> was just wondering if the software supports multi connections
[22:39] <atouk> don't have a pi cam, so i'm no help beyond that
[22:41] <osman> hmm
[22:41] <osman> one sec trying something
[22:41] <gnarface> well, what i'm wondering is if *any* traffic can be forwarded in
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[22:41] <osman> on the verizon websites
[22:41] <osman> you cant reallly
[22:41] <osman> they say you can
[22:42] <osman> but truth is you have to pay $500 for a static line in order to get it to work
[22:42] <osman> brb
[22:44] <osman> back
[22:44] <osman> okay im confused
[22:44] <osman> it says you can IPSec VPN Pass Through
[22:44] <osman> it
[22:45] <osman> how would I do that so it would work with my situation
[22:45] <gnarface> you'd have to set up an IPSec VPN on the pi and your buddy would need a client for the VPN
[22:45] <osman> crap ok
[22:46] <raidensnake> bingo
[22:46] <osman> how would I do that
[22:46] <raidensnake> i just found out the root cause
[22:46] <osman> : D
[22:46] <osman> congrats
[22:46] <raidensnake> when the openssg package is installed it;s disabling the password authentication for root
[22:46] <raidensnake> openssh
[22:47] <raidensnake> that'a why I can't log in
[22:47] <gnarface> raidensnake: you said it doesn't work from a local keyboard connected directly to the pi either though... openssh should not affect that...
[22:47] <raidensnake> it disables it even on local
[22:47] <gnarface> disturbing...
[22:48] <osman> damn
[22:48] <raidensnake> I ran a test of the default raspbian image and did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in root as a test
[22:48] <osman> i just realized that wouldnt work
[22:48] <osman> is there a way to get three usb slots
[22:48] <raidensnake> after it upgraded root is no longer accessible
[22:49] <gnarface> osman: sure, with a powered usb hub...
[22:49] <osman> damn
[22:49] <raidensnake> it completely disables it
[22:49] <osman> is their portable powered ub hubs
[22:49] <osman> lol
[22:49] <raidensnake> which explains why I got the issue
[22:50] <gnarface> raidensnake: i've never seen it do that before
[22:50] <gnarface> raidensnake: you also said the /etc/passwd file hadn't even gotten written. i've also never seen that before.
[22:50] <raidensnake> well the install script needs editing so it doesn't disable password authentication to root
[22:51] <raidensnake> cause it's automaticly doing that
[22:51] <raidensnake> when the package is installed
[22:52] <osman> is their portable powered usb hubs
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[22:52] <osman> well gnarface
[22:53] <osman> i need a port for the wifi dongle, a port for the portable battery pack
[22:53] <osman> and a port for this
[22:53] <osman> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/28-USB-TFT-Display-Module-For-Raspberry-Pi-p-1699.html
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[22:53] <osman> unless their was a usb to something converter
[22:54] <gnarface> osman: oh, that was a question? yes, i'm sure they exist
[22:54] <osman> but does it fit in a graphing calculator
[22:54] <osman> : (
[22:54] <osman> lol
[22:54] <gnarface> almost certainly not
[22:55] <osman> hmm
[22:55] <osman> i should go with the adafruit one im guessing
[22:55] <osman> how hard is that to assemble
[22:55] <raidensnake> if you guys get a min you need to let hifi know the openssh server is causing the login problem as it's disabling the password authentication when it gets installed.
[22:55] <gnarface> no idea, osman
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[22:55] <osman> or for http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/28-USB-TFT-Display-Module-For-Raspberry-Pi-p-1699.html
[22:55] <osman> is there a way to attach it to something instead of the usb
[22:56] <gnarface> osman: ask that Opie_ guy maybe? if he ever comes back...
[22:56] <osman> alright
[22:56] <osman> im so fucked if i dont figured this out
[22:56] <osman> lol
[22:59] <osman> i think ill do this
[22:59] <osman> http://imall.iteadstudio.com/raspberry-pi-2-8-tft-add-on.html
[22:59] <osman> or
[22:59] <osman> http://www.sainsmart.com/sainsmart-2-8-2-8-inch-tft-lcd-240x320-arduino-due-mega2560-r3-raspberry-pi.html?___store=en&___store=en&gclid=CPrtyP-N5r0CFUpnOgoduiEAfg
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[23:02] <osman> gnarface sorry for bothering you, but for this - http://imall.iteadstudio.com/raspberry-pi-2-8-tft-add-on.html would there be a way to make it moveable like with a ribbon
[23:02] <osman> or something
[23:03] <osman> perhaps this would work?
[23:03] <osman> http://imall.iteadstudio.com/im130425001.html
[23:04] <gnarface> osman: i don't see why not... since at the bottom of the page it lists under "You can use it with the following product(s)" a bunch of fucking ribbons
[23:04] <osman> lool
[23:04] <gnarface> you gotta slow down and pay more attention to the text in front of you man
[23:04] <gnarface> details are important in this game
[23:05] <osman> alright im going to buy those
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[23:11] <osman> great
[23:11] <osman> chinese shipping options
[23:11] <osman> .
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