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[0:25] <osman> gnarface
[0:26] <osman> sorry to bother once again
[0:26] <gnarface> what's up?
[0:26] <osman> but if the hotspot that the pi connects port forwarding doesnt work, how else could I stream the video online
[0:28] <gnarface> osman: you could use ssh to tunnel out to some cheap vps with a static ip but first you need to make sure that is necessary. maybe the reason you can't successfully connect from the outside to a forwarded port is merely user error.
[0:28] <gnarface> osman: or maybe you just need to call verizon and tell them to stop blocking your shit upstream
[0:28] <osman> ill try that
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[0:33] <osman> i wonder how bad lag times would be
[0:33] <osman> so pi connects to 4g hotspot
[0:33] <osman> which connects to a server
[0:33] <osman> then friend connects to server and views stream some how
[0:34] <gnarface> if its just for streaming video i doubt latency will be a major factor
[0:34] <gnarface> but for gaming it would be brutal. expect +200ms lag
[0:35] <gnarface> similar to dial-up
[0:35] <osman> sheit
[0:35] <osman> what if port speed is real good on the server
[0:36] <gnarface> comparably immaterial
[0:36] <osman> should the vps be linux or windows
[0:36] <gnarface> for streaming video though none of that is a real concern, all that matters is if you have enough upload bandwidth on the 4g thingy
[0:36] <gnarface> the vps should definitely be linux
[0:37] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3ap60t
[0:37] <osman> which vps should it be
[0:37] <gnarface> none of them. buy it from here: http://vpslink.com/
[0:37] <gnarface> you need a static ip
[0:37] <gnarface> well, you want a static ip
[0:37] <osman> the other ones are cheaper and static i think
[0:37] <gnarface> it will make your life easier, and you won't need dyndns crap
[0:38] <osman> ok
[0:38] <osman> can you link me to which would be better
[0:39] <gnarface> well you just posted a screenshot of some random hosting provider i can't identify
[0:39] <osman> http://www.almightyservers.com/vps/linux-vps
[0:39] <gnarface> it doesn't say whether any of those come with a static ip so i assume none do
[0:40] <gnarface> so its not about "better" in terms of ram or cpu
[0:40] <gnarface> the tunnel endpoint needs basically almost no resources
[0:40] <gnarface> its about getting a cheap static ip to tunnel out of
[0:41] <gnarface> if you find one cheaper than vpslink.com (note "dedicated" does not actually mean "static" these days) then please let me know
[0:41] <osman> https://my.knightswarm.com/index.php?/cart/openvz-vps/
[0:41] <osman> what aboutt hat
[0:42] <gnarface> dude i'm not gonna read the terms of service fine print for you on every single random cloud host you can link me
[0:43] <gnarface> the word "static" doesn't show up on that page ONCE
[0:43] <osman> it does look
[0:43] <gnarface> no it says it includes an ip address
[0:43] <gnarface> it doesn't use the word "static"
[0:43] <osman> https://knightswarm.com/index.php?page=cloud#static-vps
[0:44] <osman> when you click on it
[0:44] <osman> it goes to it
[0:44] <gnarface> ok you found the word static but its referring to the servers not the IP
[0:44] <gnarface> a static ip means its YOURS and it DOESN'T CHANGE
[0:45] <gnarface> please keep in mind these people make a business of robbing the uninformed and the careless
[0:45] <osman> alright ill just get the vps link
[0:45] <osman> vpslink one
[0:45] <gnarface> use whatever you want dude
[0:45] <osman> should i get the xenvps one or the openvz
[0:46] <osman> what would be better
[0:46] <gnarface> but you should call them and make sure the ip is static
[0:46] <gnarface> i have no idea honestly
[0:46] <osman> ok
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[0:49] <osman> ok i bought it
[0:57] <gnarface> now in theory you just need to read the ssh manpage and learn how to set up a tunnel
[0:57] <gnarface> i hope you made sure you got one with a static ip though
[0:58] <osman> ok
[0:58] <osman> hard part is now
[1:00] <gnarface> -R is the option you need
[1:00] <osman> i dont think they set the vps up yet
[1:01] <gnarface> the command will be something like this (from the pi) ssh -f -N -R *:1234:192.168.1.2:1234 you@yourvpslinkserver
[1:02] <gnarface> or whatever
[1:02] <gnarface> read the ssh manpage for details
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[1:07] <gnarface> osman_: what was the last thing you saw me type before you got disconnected?
[1:07] <osman_> let me check logs
[1:08] <osman_> [1:01] <gnarface> the command will be something like this (from the pi) ssh -f -N -R *:1234:192.168.1.2:1234 you@yourvpslinkserver [1:02] <gnarface> or whatever [1:02] <gnarface> read the ssh manpage for details
[1:08] <osman_> i didnt see that
[1:08] <osman_> i dont think they set the vps i bought up yet
[1:08] <gnarface> i don't remember how much time it took when i got it
[1:08] <gnarface> you just got the cheapest one with a static ip right
[1:08] <gnarface> ?
[1:09] <gnarface> i think it should have been "instant" though
[1:09] <gnarface> oh, or within 30 minutes it says, but i feel like mine was up much quicker than that
[1:10] <osman_> i sent a ticket in
[1:11] <gnarface> the 64MB ram Xen one should be more than sufficient, since its just a tunnel endpoint
[1:11] <gnarface> you may want to mind how much bandwidth you buy/use though
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[1:13] <osman_> how much bandwidth does one- two hour of streaming take up
[1:14] <gnarface> it really depends on the video codec
[1:14] <gnarface> and the resolution
[1:14] <osman_> i might make it
[1:15] <osman_> so i press a button
[1:15] <osman_> and it takes a picture
[1:15] <gnarface> well obviously a picture typically is gonna be less bandwidth
[1:16] <osman_> so would we both ssh into the same vps
[1:16] <gnarface> was that a question? its not necessary
[1:17] <gnarface> the whole point of getting a vps is so he doesn't have to ssh to anything
[1:17] <gnarface> certainly security is better if you both do though
[1:17] <gnarface> i thought you really wanted him to be able to just connect a web browser
[1:17] <osman_> that could work too
[1:18] <gnarface> if you want him to ssh in too, that's totally doable, its just not necessary
[1:18] <osman_> okay
[1:19] <gnarface> you shouldn't need dynamic crap dns anymore either
[1:19] <osman_> ok
[1:19] <gnarface> you can just point a domain to the ip of that vps
[1:19] <osman_> im just hoping they quiclkly givem eacess
[1:20] <osman_> ill call them
[1:20] <gnarface> it honestly shouldn't take long but their page says less than 30 minutes so i think its too early to panic
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[1:32] <raidensnake> hey hifi
[1:35] <osman_> ok
[1:35] <osman_> its set up
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[1:42] <osman_> gnarface
[1:43] <osman_> is it sudo passwd
[1:43] <gnarface> if sudo is installed...
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[1:44] <gnarface> you can't ssh tunnel ports below 1024 as a non-root user though, and ssh by default i think has root access disabled
[1:44] <gnarface> so you have to use a higher port or enable root access
[1:44] <gnarface> (its recommended of course to use a higher port)
[1:44] <osman_> im loggeed in as root
[1:45] <osman_> now what do I do
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[1:45] <gnarface> i already pasted you the damned command
[1:45] <osman_> sorry
[1:45] <osman_> let me loook up
[1:45] <gnarface> read the man page and figure out what it does
[1:45] <raidensnake> hey hifi
[1:47] <osman_> ok im looking at the manpage right no
[1:47] <osman_> what is the 1234 stand for
[1:48] <gnarface> osman_: port numbers. really, read the manpage
[1:48] <gnarface> osman_: "man ssh"
[1:48] <gnarface> osman_: its all in there
[1:48] <osman_> ok
[1:48] <gnarface> osman_: it will tell you how to make sense of my example
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[1:48] <gnarface> osman_: you have to actually read though. i'm leaving now
[1:49] <osman_> thankyou
[1:49] <osman_> for all yourh elp :)
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[4:30] <hifi> could someone said to raidensnake instead to use the github issue tracker...
[4:30] <hifi> say*
[4:31] <ParkerR> He left
[4:32] <hifi> hence what I said
[4:33] <ParkerR> But he already left so novody can say that to him...
[4:34] <ParkerR> *nobody
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[4:37] <hifi> there are people here who are more likely to see him than me
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[8:34] <tedjam> BCMM or gnarface, you there?
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[11:33] <wil999> hi, i want to know if it is possible to install onboard virtual keyboard on my raspbian? i got touchscreen working.
[11:33] <wil999> anyone aware if there is a package for it?
[11:34] <shiftplusone> certainly possible, but I don't know of any specific software for it unfortunately (but it's definitely there)
[11:34] <wil999> shiftplusone: i found this, and it looks good too http://iloveubuntu.net/onboard-0951-ubuntus-default-virtual-keyboard-has-new-awesome-themeable-look-oneiric-ocelot
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[11:35] <wil999> i also want to make that it popups when i touch a textfield in the browser
[11:36] <wil999> (i am developing a sort of intra-app for rpi atm)
[11:38] <wil999> this is my device in dmesg hid-multitouch 0003:0408:3025.0001: input,hiddev0,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Quanta HID-TQH-FS] on usb-bcm2708_usb-1.2.3/input0
[11:39] <wil999> any hints or help welcome
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[11:39] <shiftplusone> I've got nothing
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[11:43] <wil999> shiftplusone: also input: Quanta HID-TQH-FS as /devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2.3/1-1.2.3:1.0/input/input0
[11:43] <zGrr> moin :)
[11:45] <shiftplusone> hi
[11:46] <wil999> hi
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[13:04] <yomanuorock> gnarface: are you there
[13:05] <yomanuorock> when I connect my pi to the internet it doesnt obtain an ip adress
[13:05] <yomanuorock> what do I do?
[13:06] <yomanuorock> ?
[13:07] <kingii> check ifconfig
[13:09] <kingii> http://www.mathworks.se/help/simulink/ug/getting-the-raspberry_pi-ip-address.html
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[14:40] <meditas> hi
[14:41] <meditas> anyone know how i can install php5-readline on raspbian?
[14:43] <txt-file> meditas: are you familiar with command line, linux and debian?
[14:44] <meditas> yes
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[14:49] <meditas> my team develop applications over linux
[14:49] <meditas> and need to port to rasp
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[16:12] <Raspbian_Noob> Goof afternoon
[16:12] <Raspbian_Noob> I have a quick question : Do you know when the future stable version of Raspbian should be released ?
[16:12] <Raspbian_Noob> Not that the current one is not working, it works great and I really enjoy using it
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[16:15] <shiftplusone> Out of curiosity, why does it matter?
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[16:19] <Raspbian_Noob> It's to satisfy my own curiosity
[16:20] <Raspbian_Noob> I shoudl reformulate : do you if the raspbian project has an open agenda ?
[16:20] <shiftplusone> it just tracks debian.
[16:21] <shiftplusone> If you're referring to the foundation images of Raspbian, the Raspbian project has nothing to do with those.
[16:22] <Raspbian_Noob> Well ok, thanks !
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[16:23] <shiftplusone> Sorry I couldn't help, I am just not 100% sure what you're after, since there are a number of way of interpreting the original question.
[16:33] <Raspbian_Noob> Maybe I should reformulate
[16:33] <Raspbian_Noob> Do you know when the vesion following Wheezy should be available ?
[16:34] <shiftplusone> aha, that makes more sense
[16:34] <shiftplusone> Jessie is already available, it's just not 'stable'
[16:37] <Raspbian_Noob> oK
[16:38] <BCMM> iirc debian doesn't announce releases very far ahead of time. i think it's a sort of "when its done" thing
[16:38] <Raspbian_Noob> I'll check when Jessie'll be stable and released then
[16:38] <Raspbian_Noob> Last question : do you know how long I'll take beween the released of debian Jessie and raspbian Jessie ?
[16:41] <shiftplusone> Not sure what you mean there exactly. It's already released. If you mean how long after Raspbian will take to switch to jessie as stable after Debian does, then it's up to plugwash. Maybe a minute, maybe a day.
[16:44] <Raspbian_Noob> ok so the job is done real fast
[16:44] <Raspbian_Noob> and thats great !
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[16:56] <Raspbian_Noob> Thanks for the info
[16:56] <Raspbian_Noob> Keep up the good work, it IS appreciated
[16:57] <Raspbian_Noob> and have a sweet day
[16:57] <Raspbian_Noob> Bye
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[18:53] <loblue2> can I modify the raspbian sd somehow to start the ssh server for the first run? I haven't a USB keyboard.
[18:54] <gnarface> loblue2: lemme guess, you downloaded raspbian from raspberrypi.org ?
[18:54] <loblue2> yes
[18:55] <gnarface> loblue2: i actually don't know. there might be a way actually. someone in here might know, as might someone in #raspberrypi
[18:55] <loblue2> I can ping the raspberry, but I can't get a ssh connect.
[18:56] <gnarface> loblue2: my advice to you would be entirely unhelpful as it would be to just simply reinstall using an entirely other installer with behavior i can better predict
[18:56] <loblue2> I would try an other install. Which one should I use?
[18:56] <kingii> raspbian automatically had ssh on
[18:56] <kingii> atleast for me
[18:57] <loblue2> I'm surprised
[18:57] <gnarface> loblue2: maybe ssh was on but its user error? i honestly don't know but this kingii guy might be able to help you with details. failing all that, this is the installer i was referring to: https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[18:58] <kingii> � cant remember much anymore, i just remember putting raspbian on it and connecting with ssh
[18:58] <gnarface> loblue2, kingii last i heard, raspberrypi.org actually distributed *two* main images, one which had ssh pre-runing and one which did not, i thought at least...
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[18:59] <kingii> well yea atleast some version has ssh prerunning or then i've had too many mushrooms
[18:59] * gnarface hasn't had enough mushrooms
[18:59] <kingii> i took the raspbian from the main site
[19:00] <osman> hey gnar
[19:00] <gnarface> 'sup osman ?
[19:00] <loblue2> Maybe it's my fault. I downloaded the NOOBS Offline and network install instead of the Rasbian image.
[19:01] <osman> not much jsut wondering how your day is going
[19:01] <osman> thanks for all the help last night/yesterday I really would be loss without all your help
[19:01] <osman> I appreciate it :)
[19:02] <gnarface> osman: did you get your stuff working?
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[19:03] <osman> not yet i passed out yesterday i was really tired, the calculator came in today and I ordered the screen with ribbons
[19:03] <osman> I need to do the sshing bit
[19:03] <osman> should I connect the pi to the hotspot to do it or does it not matter for now
[19:03] <osman> i just want the pi to automatically connect to that network
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[19:32] <gnarface> osman: you mean you want the pi to automatically connect to the vps?
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[19:32] <osman> yea
[19:33] <gnarface> welll, what you need to do first is learn more about ssh
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[19:33] <gnarface> specifically, openssh tunneling and public key authentication
[19:34] <gnarface> (separate tasks that you'll need to learn how to do both together for this)
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[19:35] <osman> i have $6 on paypal
[19:35] <osman> could I pay you to help me get this wokrin
[19:35] <osman> working
[19:35] <osman> im very limited on time at the moment
[19:36] <gnarface> no offense but i live in america
[19:37] <gnarface> i will *try* to help you should keep your money
[19:37] <osman> i know its not a lot of money but im only 16
[19:37] <gnarface> you're only 16? i'd be doing you a bigger favor by helping you figure it out yourself
[19:37] <gnarface> how much time do you actually have?
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[19:38] <gnarface> i mean, i can set it up for you in minutes, it might take you hours to follow my instruction, but if you can't recreate the situation without my supervision, what good does it really do you if something goes wrong later?
[19:38] <gnarface> 6$ is less money than the tax paperwork is worth
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[19:39] <gnarface> i'd rather help you get smarter instead
[19:39] <osman> i have teamviewer
[19:39] <gnarface> maybe you'd pay me back one day when you're rich
[19:39] <osman> if that would help lol
[19:39] <gnarface> no, that doesn't help
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[19:39] <osman> but i see what you mean its probobly best that I do that
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[19:39] <gnarface> step one: ssh from the pi to the vps
[19:39] <gnarface> accomplish that first
[19:40] <gnarface> shouldn't be hard
[19:41] <osman> ok
[19:42] <osman> the vps ip is 209.40.202.161 ill look at the manpage
[19:43] <gnarface> osman: ok basic form for ssh is this: ssh user@hostname
[19:43] <gnarface> osman: you can substitute the ip for the hostname
[19:43] <osman> ok
[19:43] <gnarface> the user has to exist on the remote server
[19:43] <gnarface> it will prompt you for the password by default
[19:44] <gnarface> but the idea is to next have it automatically connect right? so we need to use encryption keys instead
[19:44] <osman> ok i logged in
[19:44] <osman> alright encyption keys
[19:45] <gnarface> alright
[19:45] <gnarface> you logged in FROM the pi TO the vps right?
[19:45] <osman> correct
[19:46] <gnarface> ok so now the next step is to learn how to do it without a password
[19:46] <gnarface> to do that you need public key authentication
[19:48] <gnarface> osman: try this tutorial: http://archive.networknewz.com/networknewz-10-20030707AuthenticatingbyPublicKeyOpenSSH.html
[19:48] <gnarface> osman: (i just picked one at random from google since i can't find the one i used to link noobs anymore)
[19:49] <loblue2> gnarface, thanks for the advice with the other installer. Now can I access with ssh. :-)
[19:49] <osman> thank you : )
[19:51] <gnarface> loblue2: you're welcome
[19:52] <osman> wait gnarface if the pi is sshed into the vps and my friend sshs into the vps, can he then connect to the pi?
[19:52] <gnarface> osman: not unless you let him
[19:52] <osman> okay i have to go get a haircut
[19:53] <gnarface> osman: haircuts are a waste of time
[19:56] <gnarface> osman: i assume you already disconnected and your client will time out in -240 seconds but in case you left it on read this please: your buddy will not NEED to use ssh unless you require him to. he will also not be ABLE to access the pi unless you LET HIM. we're not at the step where you chose that yet.
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[20:00] <osman> im back
[20:00] <osman> sorry about that
[20:00] <osman> haircut is at 5 nor 4
[20:00] <osman> not
[20:00] <osman> 4
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[20:10] <gnarface> osman: when you have figured out how to get public key auth working with ssh from your pi to your vps without a password, you can progress the next step
[20:10] <gnarface> osman: this is fundamentals
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[20:13] <osman> for the guide
[20:14] <osman> do i do that on the pi or the vps
[20:14] <gnarface> you would do that on the pi
[20:14] <osman> okay thanks
[20:14] <gnarface> the pi in the context of that tutorial is the "client" and the vps is the "server"
[20:15] <gnarface> the vps is also referred to as "remote host"
[20:15] <gnarface> this is primarily because the vps IP is not expected to change
[20:16] <gnarface> there is very little other practical distinction
[20:17] <osman> for $ scp -p id_dsa.pub remoteuser@remotehost:
[20:17] <osman> id put the root@vps
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[20:18] <gnarface> yes
[20:19] <gnarface> well
[20:19] <gnarface> i wouldn't advise using root
[20:19] <gnarface> use a regular user
[20:20] <gnarface> make a non-root user on the vps if you don't have one already
[20:20] <osman> they gave me some weird picture
[20:20] <gnarface> as in a graphic?
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[20:42] <osman> gnarface
[20:42] <osman> when i do cat id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[20:42] <gnarface> come on osman, if you want my help you gotta figure stuff out for yourself, but you ALSO have to get better at feeding back info
[20:43] <osman> it says no such file or direcotry
[20:43] <gnarface> yea cause the directory doesn't exist
[20:43] <osman> sorry my uncle came i had to get the car
[20:43] <osman> i thought i created it though
[20:43] <gnarface> its gotta exist on the local and remote server
[20:43] <gnarface> in that case, its gotta be the remote server
[20:44] <gnarface> if you only created it once you only did i half as many times as necessary
[20:44] <osman> okay i have to leave for for haircut i n5 minutes, will you be on in like 30 minutes ill try to figure it out on my own so i don't have to keep bothering you
[20:45] <osman> ill be back
[20:46] <osman> thanks for your time
[20:48] <gnarface> osman: i'm not going anywhere for several hours but if you want to succeed at this you're gonna need several consecutive hours of concentration
[20:48] <gnarface> osman: i'm happy to answer questions but you have to *focus*
[20:48] <osman> once i get back ill have all night till tmmrw
[20:49] <osman> okay ill bring laptop to the basement and dedicate rest of the night to that
[20:49] <osman> ill be back im leavign for haircut thanks once again
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[21:29] <osman> im back
[21:30] <gnarface> i'm still here
[21:30] <gnarface> but you still have to wire up that public key
[21:30] <osman> im going to go through all the steps one more time
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[21:31] <gnarface> its important to ask the right questions
[21:31] <osman> ill report them to you if i think im doing something wrong
[21:31] <osman> one sec starting
[21:32] <osman> okay
[21:32] <osman> not sure what to put here
[21:32] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3ayrbk
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[21:33] <gnarface> the part in parenthesis is the default
[21:33] <osman> okay so just press enter
[21:33] <gnarface> yep
[21:34] <osman> do only you get that msg?
[21:34] <osman> or is that broadcasted to all
[21:34] <gnarface> what do you mean?
[21:34] <osman> i did /msg gnarface
[21:34] <gnarface> on the pi, or here in irc?
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[21:34] <gnarface> oh
[21:34] <gnarface> sorry i wasn't paying attention. yes, only i got that
[21:34] <osman> im going to send a pic but it might be sensitive data i dont want on the logs
[21:34] <osman> let me check logs
[21:34] <gnarface> well
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[21:45] <osman> okay i made it to the end of step 4
[21:46] <gnarface> fuck man what was step 4?
[21:46] <osman> everything is working now unlike before, do I continue on or is that something else
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[21:46] <gnarface> you're not helping me
[21:46] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3ayx28
[21:47] <osman> http://archive.networknewz.com/networknewz-10-20030707AuthenticatingbyPublicKeyOpenSSH.html
[21:47] <gnarface> i want to kill myself
[21:47] <osman> how come
[21:47] <gnarface> you're causing me pain
[21:47] <osman> sorry
[21:47] <gnarface> emotional distress
[21:47] <osman> what am i doing
[21:47] <osman> i can compensate with paypal if you would like
[21:47] <gnarface> you gotta learn to learn
[21:47] <osman> lol
[21:48] <gnarface> lol not with 6$ motherfucker!
[21:48] <osman> im just making sure
[21:48] <gnarface> look here's the deal
[21:48] <gnarface> you create the key and then you get prompted for a password still
[21:48] <gnarface> but instead of the password being to log in, its a password to decrypt the private key
[21:48] <osman> oh i did that then
[21:49] <osman> oh that makes more sense now
[21:49] <osman> okay im done with making the key
[21:49] <osman> now I have to make it auto-connect
[21:49] <gnarface> so
[21:49] <gnarface> all you gotta do to make it auto connect is add it to a start up script and take out the actual password
[21:49] <gnarface> keep in mind this is slightly less secure
[21:49] * vagrantc would recommend using an rsa key or ecdsa key ... dsa has some issues.
[21:50] <gnarface> vagrantc: yea, i was getting to that but its gotta fuckin work first
[21:50] <osman> security isn't too big of a problem I only need this for 70 minutes on one day
[21:50] <gnarface> vagrantc: going up against a serious language and attention span barrier here
[21:50] <osman> this might piss you off
[21:51] <osman> well i bet it will
[21:51] <osman> never mind ill use my googlefu skills
[21:51] <gnarface> osman: he's right, you should honestly use rsa instead of dsa
[21:51] <gnarface> osman: but the fundamental process is the same
[21:51] <osman> is that just for security purposes?
[21:51] <gnarface> yea, just for security
[21:51] <osman> ah i should be all set for now t
[21:51] * vagrantc woders why dsa support hsn't been removed from openssh
[21:52] <osman> so now i need a startup script that auto sshs into the vps
[21:52] <gnarface> vagrantc: probably because most people using rsa still don't know to use more than 1024 and dsa is still more secure at 1024? or am i wrong?
[21:53] <gnarface> osman: so basically if you make the key without a password, you can just put the ssh command into your /etc/rc.local
[21:53] <vagrantc> gnarface: it's debateable.
[21:53] <osman> okay
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[21:54] <osman> okay so im in the rc.local I assume i just add an extra line at the end
[21:54] <osman> is rc.local like the linux version of msconfig?
[21:55] <gnarface> i don't really know windows anymore. just put a shell command before "exit 0"
[21:55] <osman> okay
[21:55] <gnarface> you might need the full path to the command
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[21:57] <gnarface> (like /usr/bin/ssh )
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[21:57] <osman> trying to see how i would do this
[21:57] <osman> ssh -l remoteuser remotehost
[21:57] <osman> i know that would connect to it
[21:58] <osman> but i neeed to first point it to that directory
[21:58] <osman> i think
[21:58] <gnarface> what?
[21:58] <osman> the shell command
[21:58] <gnarface> you're killing me
[21:58] <gnarface> i've been using ssh for almost 18 years now and i've never needed -l
[21:58] <gnarface> read the man page better
[21:59] <gnarface> use this format: ssh user@host
[21:59] <gnarface> do not use -l
[21:59] <osman> okay
[21:59] <gnarface> you don't need to point to any directory
[22:00] <gnarface> from what you've told me, directories are irrelevant to your use case
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[22:00] <gnarface> and just for the record
[22:01] <gnarface> you could NEVER actually pay me fairly for what this cost me to explain this to you
[22:01] <gnarface> so don't fucking fail
[22:01] <gnarface> and don't give up
[22:01] <osman> i looked on the manpage but say once I did ssh root@209.40.202.162, for the next line it would prompt me for the password, so whould I just write the password on the next line
[22:01] <gnarface> because ALL that matters now to either of us is that you succeed
[22:02] <osman> ill relook
[22:02] <gnarface> ok look at the prompt closely
[22:02] <gnarface> before you put the public key it was asking for your password as set on the remote server
[22:03] <gnarface> after you put the public key there it asks for your password for the PRIVATE KEY STORED LOCALLY
[22:03] <osman> okay
[22:03] <gnarface> if you want this to work automatically on boot, you just set the password for the private key to nothing
[22:03] <gnarface> (ie, just hit enter twice)
[22:03] <osman> damn ill do that now
[22:04] <gnarface> its generally NOT RECOMMENDED, but its also the ONLY WAY to have this type of tunnel establish at boot time with no user intervention
[22:04] <gnarface> fuck i hope that makes sense to you
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[22:08] <osman> it makes sense
[22:08] <osman> okay so i set the key password to nothing
[22:08] <osman> so now I just ssh root@209.40.202.160 im guessing on startup
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[22:09] <osman> if i did that
[22:09] <osman> would it be asking me for the server password or the key password
[22:09] <gnarface> osman: do you still have the ssh command i pasted the other day for tunneling a single port? it had "1024" in it. do you remember?
[22:10] <osman> if its asking for server password if i do that, it would be wrong but if its keypad password it would be right
[22:10] <osman> i think i saved that let me look
[22:10] <osman> if not ill look through logs
[22:10] <gnarface> osman: the idea is to get it to not ask for a pssword
[22:10] <osman> it doesn't anymore
[22:10] <osman> since i set the key's password to nothing
[22:11] <gnarface> ok well that is good at least
[22:11] <osman> ssh -f -N -R *:1234:192.168.1.2:1234 root@yourvpslinkserver
[22:11] <gnarface> yep
[22:11] <gnarface> that's right
[22:11] <osman> so i only will change the "yoursvpslinkserver"
[22:11] <gnarface> no
[22:11] <osman> or do i have to change the ports to 21
[22:11] <gnarface> change root as well
[22:11] <osman> okay
[22:11] <osman> do i leave the ports at 1234?
[22:11] <gnarface> you need a non-root user on the vps to do this
[22:11] <gnarface> well the ports are up to you
[22:11] <osman> damn
[22:12] <osman> how come root won't work?
[22:12] <gnarface> just be aware that using port # 1024 or below requires root
[22:12] <gnarface> root is the admin user so its not allowed to ssh by openssh by defuault because that would be a massive weakness in security
[22:12] <osman> damnit
[22:12] <osman> if i change to a different user
[22:13] <osman> will it still keeep the key?
[22:13] <gnarface> well you have to put the public key on the vps in the new user's ~/.ssh directory
[22:13] <osman> alright
[22:13] <osman> ill re do it
[22:13] <gnarface> you can just move the key
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[22:14] <osman> finding out how to login to a different user
[22:14] <osman> in sssh
[22:16] <osman> just su user?
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[22:18] <osman> gnarface I know its a weakenss in security
[22:18] <osman> but is there a way to make root allowed to ssh
[22:19] <gnarface> its advised to make a new user, but you can read the sshd_config manpage and it will tell you how to enable root login
[22:19] <osman> alright thank you
[22:19] <gnarface> note that its disabled for very good reason
[22:19] <osman> ssh bruteforcers :/
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[22:22] <osman> it gave me permission denied
[22:22] <osman> trying to write to root
[22:22] <osman> i mean
[22:23] <osman> rc.local
[22:23] <osman> let me login as root
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[22:25] <osman> ok
[22:25] <osman> i think it works
[22:26] <osman> how do i test to see if it works
[22:31] <gnarface> osman: you should be able to figure out this part yourself
[22:31] <gnarface> osman: you havent' given me enough information to test for you
[22:31] <osman> i edited the rc.local
[22:31] <osman> ssh -f -N -R *:1234:192.168.1.2:1234 root@209.40.202.160
[22:31] <gnarface> well did you reboot?
[22:32] <osman> yea
[22:32] <gnarface> ok
[22:32] <osman> oh i know why
[22:32] <gnarface> did you change your webserver to listen on port 1234?
[22:32] <gnarface> yea
[22:32] <osman> nope and right now
[22:32] <osman> see how its 192.168.1.2
[22:32] <gnarface> yea
[22:32] <gnarface> you can figure this out yourself better than i can
[22:32] <osman> thats only whhen it connects to the hotspot its on my home network which is 192.168.1.109 so that might play a factor
[22:33] <osman> ill try to fix it
[22:33] <osman> brb thanks once again :-)
[22:33] <gnarface> good luck, please pay attention
[22:33] <osman> :)
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[23:00] <osman> gnarface
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[23:00] <osman> how do you configure vps to listen to port 1234 I tried looking I was able to fix the other issue
[23:00] <osman> ill continue to look
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[23:01] <gnarface> osman: the ssh command i pasted you prior should be capable of letting it listen to any port (including 1234)
[23:02] <osman> i put this in the pis rc.local
[23:02] <osman> [18:32] <osman> ssh -f -N -R *:1234:192.168.1.2:1234 root@209.40.202.160
[23:02] <gnarface> uh huh
[23:02] <gnarface> should have worked
[23:02] <osman> okay
[23:02] <gnarface> didn't it?
[23:02] <osman> how do I test
[23:02] <gnarface> wtf do you mean how do you test?
[23:03] <gnarface> put http://209.40.202.160:1234 in your browser
[23:03] <osman> okay
[23:03] <gnarface> you really gotta know why though
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[23:03] <gnarface> or after i'm dead nobody will be able to help you
[23:03] <gnarface> and at this rate its gonna be tomorrow
[23:03] <gnarface> cause you're gonna give me a fucking brain aneurism
[23:05] <osman> hmm let me try something else, just to clarify the ssh command I put into the pi's rc.local thats all i do with that command right I don't put it into any files on the vps
[23:05] <gnarface> ok so you'll note that 1234 appears on both ends of the tunnel
[23:06] <gnarface> but the web server by default listens to port 80
[23:06] <gnarface> you need to change the web server config to listen to port 1234, or you need to change the ssh command to connect one end to port 80
[23:06] <osman> okay
[23:07] <osman> ill edit the rc.local thing
[23:07] <gnarface> keep in mind on both the server and the client, ports below 1024 require root access (which is disabled by default)
[23:07] <gnarface> since my arteries going into my brain will shortly explode from frustration
[23:08] <gnarface> i hope that you can figure the importance of this statement out on your own
[23:08] <gnarface> instead of just ignoring it as usual
[23:08] <osman> well its running on root
[23:09] <osman> retesting
[23:10] <gnarface> well keep in mind that starting it as root on the client isn't the same thing as connecting to root on the remote server
[23:10] <gnarface> the client and the server each have completely separate roots
[23:10] <gnarface> they're not tied to each other in any way nor do they implicitly trust each other
[23:10] <gnarface> god i hope you can figure that out
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[23:12] <gnarface> osman: this is a very important distinction for your understanding of fundamentals
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[23:14] <osman> this might piss you off
[23:14] <osman> bu
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[23:14] <osman> for that ssh command i had to connect one end port to 80
[23:15] <gnarface> uh huh...
[23:15] <osman> i chose the last :1234 to go to 80
[23:15] <osman> does it matter
[23:15] <osman> if its first or last
[23:15] <gnarface> it matters
[23:15] <gnarface> one end is the client, one end is the server
[23:15] <osman> okay should it have been first
[23:15] <gnarface> read the man page, it will tell you
[23:15] <osman> could I just both put them at 80?
[23:15] <osman> ok
[23:16] <gnarface> you can put them both at 80, but either end being at 80 means you have to connect that end as root
[23:16] <gnarface> its simply not advised so that's why i tried to deter you
[23:16] <gnarface> both ends to not need to use the root user for one end to use the root user
[23:16] <osman> ok
[23:17] <atouk> some ISPs block 80 unless you have static IP. so use another port and then forward to the pi, and set listen in ports.conf to that additional port
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[23:17] <osman> okay rebooting now
[23:18] <gnarface> atouk: he's tunneling out to a remote VPS service that i personally know does not by default block incoming port connections due to having exactly that problem with his 4g verison hotspot
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[23:20] <gnarface> atouk: his capability for speaking good english belies his comprehension of it though
[23:21] <atouk> you can just restart the service(s), eg. service apache2 restart instead of rebooting
[23:21] <gnarface> atouk: i tried to tell him that yesterday
[23:21] <osman> that would save a lot of time lol
[23:21] <osman> i forgot what it was
[23:21] <osman> soo service apache2 restart for example
[23:21] <atouk> some networking concepts are a bit odd until you grasp some basics
[23:23] <osman> fuck
[23:23] <osman> i think i corrupted my sd
[23:23] <osman> nope
[23:24] <osman> for some reason rc.config is empty now, but that can't be the case? the rpi cam control starts on startup from rc.local and it started up
[23:25] <gnarface> osman: you're confused, it was rc.local you added lines to
[23:25] <osman> oh my bad
[23:25] <osman> there we go
[23:26] <gnarface> you should have added the ssh command to the /etc/rc.local on the pi, and it should connect automatically to the vps
[23:27] <gnarface> we never actually discussed how to accomplish that without user intervention, which would be necessary for this to work automatically on boot though
[23:27] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3azxba
[23:27] <osman> thats what it looks like in the .local
[23:28] <osman> ill change them all back to 1234
[23:28] <gnarface> but you needed to have created the actual key without a password
[23:28] <osman> i did
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[23:28] <osman> the key doesnt have a password
[23:28] <gnarface> the remote server i notice you're connecting to as root
[23:28] <gnarface> you don't need it to be root on that end
[23:28] <osman> yea i made sure it is enabled
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[23:29] <osman> for some reason it wouldnt let me connect to the other user
[23:29] <osman> so i just did root
[23:29] <gnarface> well then i think it should have worked
[23:29] <gnarface> did you test it?
[23:29] <osman> yea
[23:29] <osman> let me retest
[23:30] <gnarface> keep in mind, the ip "192.168.1.2"
[23:30] <osman> how do i restart the rc.local without rebooting
[23:30] <osman> im on the hotspot so its registered as 192.168.1.2 now
[23:30] <osman> instead of .109
[23:30] <gnarface> i only put that in the example because i thought you told me you used the ip 192.168.1.2 as your static ip for the pi
[23:30] <gnarface> that ip has to be whatever the ip of the PI actually is
[23:30] <osman> yea the ip is 192.168.1.2 when its on the hotspot
[23:30] <osman> i connected it to the hotspot now
[23:30] <gnarface> just restart the pi
[23:31] <osman> ok
[23:31] <atouk> if the feed is coming off a apache web page, just set the pi to a static ip, listen on a second port, forward that port in the router, and protect the folder the page is on via .htaccess
[23:31] <gnarface> it will take less time to restart than it will take me to explain
[23:31] <osman> ok
[23:32] <gnarface> atouk: its actually a non-apache web interface provided by the camera itself apparently. i'm not familiar with it
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[23:32] <gnarface> atouk: i assume though it does not support .htaccess
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[23:33] <atouk> hold on a few. i'm looking at the link
[23:35] <osman> its not connecting
[23:35] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3azzri
[23:36] <gnarface> osman: paste the actual ssh command you ended up using?
[23:36] <osman> ok
[23:37] <gnarface> osman: please paste text to paste.debian.net
[23:37] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3b00jm ssh -f -N -R *:1234:192.168.1.2:1234 root@209.40.202.161
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[23:38] <gnarface> osman: it really is frustrating to all of us that you simply ignore the parts you don't understand.
[23:38] <osman> what do you mean?
[23:38] <gnarface> osman: change it to ssh -f -N -R *:80:192.168.1.2:1234 root@209.40.202.161
[23:39] <osman> im doing what you told me too
[23:39] <osman> ok
[23:39] <atouk> it's a straight web page
[23:39] <atouk> http://69.117.38.138:8000/picam/
[23:39] <osman> i had that
[23:39] <atouk> don't have a picam here so it no worky
[23:39] <atouk> so do what i said above and you're good
[23:40] <osman> okay so the pis ip is 192.168.1.2 i cant portforward in the hotspot though
[23:40] <gnarface> osman: right but the ssh command tunnels it out so thats irrelevant
[23:40] <gnarface> osman: port forwarding is no longer relevant
[23:40] <gnarface> osman: do you understand?
[23:41] <osman> yes i know i was just letting atouk know
[23:41] <gnarface> oh ok
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[23:41] <osman> its still not connecting i rebooted it and changed it to what you said
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[23:41] <gnarface> well something is wrong
[23:42] <osman> let me verify that it can connect without a key
[23:42] <osman> let me look for the command
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[23:44] <osman> alright
[23:44] <osman> i found an issue
[23:44] <osman> http://prntscr.com/3b02u9
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[23:46] <osman> is there a way to get it to automatically accept the servers rsa address
[23:46] <atouk> gnarface: dos his connection allow port 80?
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[23:47] <gnarface> osman: it always says that the first time
[23:48] <gnarface> osman: you have to do it manually once and say "yes" from every client
[23:48] <osman> ok
[23:48] <gnarface> osman: its to protect you in case the server ip changes (which could mean a man-in-the-middle attack)
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[23:55] <osman> rebooting
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[23:55] <osman> i recreated a key
[23:55] <osman> for some reason it deleted the key i had
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[23:57] <osman> this is painful
[23:57] <osman> its not working still let me retry
[23:57] <gnarface> i'm sure it didn't delete the key you had
[23:58] <gnarface> but i'm sure its painful
[23:58] <gnarface> the first time is always painful
[23:58] <osman> lol
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[23:59] <osman> can i just teamviewer with you
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