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[1:55] <gnarface> anyone else get heavy packet loss if they ping 204.70.192.97?
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[7:28] <orthos> hey guys i need a hand
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[7:32] <kingii> ok
[7:32] <orthos> anyone there?
[7:32] <orthos> hey king
[7:33] <orthos> just installed debian wheezy, first time ever installing it. Cant get past root login.
[7:33] <kingii> try the default password
[7:33] <orthos> what is that
[7:34] <kingii> i dont know
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[7:34] <orthos> apparently i need sudo is the name?
[7:34] <kingii> huh
[7:34] <orthos> its all a clusterf***
[7:35] <orthos> what do you run on your pi?
[7:35] <kingii> raspbian
[7:35] <orthos> yeah im running it too
[7:35] <orthos> debian wheezy version,
[7:35] <kingii> ok
[7:36] <orthos> what version are you running,
[7:37] <kingii> the one which was the newest raspbian 6 months ago
[7:38] <kingii> i'm still not sure what ur problem with raspbian is
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[10:37] <flip214> I've tried to use owncloud on my raspberry, but it's awfully slow. A simple benchmark (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142256) shows a speed difference of ~150x to a "standard" server.
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[10:38] <flip214> is that because of some compilation options, or is the CPU itself _that_ slow?
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[10:39] <shiftplusone> I would point to owncloud not being written with devices like the pi in mind.
[10:39] <shiftplusone> rather than the pi itself being slow
[10:40] <shiftplusone> but yes, owncloud is terribly slow on the pi
[10:40] <flip214> shiftplusone: I just had a for() loop with preg_match in it, and there's a ~150x speed difference
[10:40] <flip214> so it's not owncloud per se, but more php as a whole
[10:42] <shiftplusone> I haven't played around with php on the pi, but I can't imagine it being slower that python+flask+nginx, which is quite snappy. But I am sure if I benchmarked it to a PC, it wouldn't look pretty either.
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[11:07] <flip214> shiftplusone: even if I account for the difference in CPU speed (ie. 700MHz to 3.3GHz), the factor is around 1:40. I can't imagine that this is only because of the architectures; I guess some compile flags being different, too.
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[11:45] <Halberd> Hi all, how can I fix this problem? Part that contains "exited with return code 2". http://zaslike.com/files/1qt46sawiq49gmlhpxr2.jpg
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[11:46] <Jusii> open /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail and see line 44, what it's trying to run and go from there
[11:46] <Jusii> ..which is nect line, .../dynamic
[11:47] <Jusii> try to figure out why that file is missing or why it's been run
[11:47] <Halberd> I started to happen after I uninstalled "nn", and "sendmail" packages which were not needed
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[11:49] <Jusii> try dpkg --purge sendmail nn
[11:49] <Jusii> that should remove config files left behind
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[11:54] <Halberd> It ignored sendmail because it isn't installed, config files for nn were removed but error is still there.
[11:55] <Jusii> what does dpkg -l | grep sendmail
[11:55] <Jusii> say
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[11:56] <Halberd> hmm..many things :-D
[11:56] <Halberd> rc sendmail-base
[11:56] <Halberd> rc sendmail-bin
[11:57] <Halberd> and rc sendmail-cf
[11:57] <Halberd> and some other info like version
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[12:02] <Halberd> seems that it isn't deleted completely
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[12:04] <Halberd> in /etc/network/if-up.d there is a shell script file "sendmail"
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[12:05] <Halberd> line 44 says ". /usr/share/sendmail/dynamic;"
[12:05] <Halberd> but in /usr/share there is no folder named "sendmail"
[12:05] <Jusii> then dpkg --purge those
[12:06] <Jusii> dpkg --purge sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf
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[12:10] <Halberd> Jusii: It worked! Thanks! It's all clean now.
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[12:12] <Jusii> great
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[20:14] <Xiguanda> wenas
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[21:43] <tony1> setup isc-dhcp on raspbian everything works but on nas4free i see inet 66.152.109.110 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 66.152.109.255 in ifconfig. above that is the ip that I would expect. why would two ip's be bound to the nic?
[21:43] <tony1> I have no idea where inet 66.152.109.110 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 66.152.109.255 is comeing from. does anyone have an idea?
[21:44] <tony1> nas4free is the ony OS effected. other pc's get there IP as expected and DNS is updated does anyone have an idea?
[21:49] <tony1> anyway I have been trying to figure this out for about a week. all the config's look fine. nothing in the logs is providing me with a clue
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[21:54] <gnarface> tony1: what is nas4free?
[21:54] <gnarface> tony1: fyi this is the raspbian channel.
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[21:55] <gnarface> tony1: if i had to venture a guess, the other ip you mentioned is statically configured either in your /etc/network/interfaces file or in network-manager but that's really just speculation
[21:55] <tony1> gnarface: I set up dhcp on raspian
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[21:56] <gnarface> you mean a dhcp client right?
[21:56] <gnarface> and you're getting TWO ip addresses assigned to eth0, one of them NOT from your dhcp *server*, do i have that right?
[21:56] <tony1> gnarface: I setup a dhcp server on raspian with dns updates
[21:57] <gnarface> ok now i'm confused. can you pastebin the output of this? /sbin/ifconfig -a
[21:57] <tony1> gnarface: correct if I shut down the dhcp the nas4free box will not get any IP address
[21:58] <gnarface> oh i see, nas4free is running on a second machine (not a raspberry pi) and its getting two ip addresses.... yea that sounds like a nas4free issue not to do with your raspbian dhcp server...
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[22:01] <tony1> gnarface: If it was statically configured once I shut down the dhcp and rebooted I would have thought the net 66.152.109.110 would be the only IP but it did not get any ip at all
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[22:02] <gnarface> tony1: so far you've mentioned that you get two ip addresses but only actually told me what one of them is and that its the expected one
[22:03] <gnarface> this still sounds to me like a nas4free specific peculiarity snafu (situation normal; all fucked up)
[22:03] <tony1> gnarface: the expected one is the one on my subnet 192.168.1.*
[22:04] <gnarface> you've configured the dhcp server on raspbian to assign ip addresses to which of those two networks?
[22:05] <tony1> gnarface: I did mention it to the devs and they cant reproduce the problem and at tne moment I am lost so I figured I would ask
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[22:05] <gnarface> is it possible that maybe the nas4free box is actually answering two different dhcp servers? (one you expected; your raspberry pi, and one you didn't expect; your home network router?)
[22:05] <gnarface> in the presence of two dhcp servers on the same lines, typically most dhcp clients will let them fight over the NIC, but maybe the nas4free box is outsmarting you here?
[22:06] <gnarface> again, just speculation as i know absolutely nothing about nas4free except what i just read off their home page now
[22:06] <tony1> gnarface: well thats why I sut down the pi and rebooted the server expecting to see the 66.* ip as the only one but I got nothing
[22:06] <gnarface> ok
[22:06] <gnarface> and you're *certain* that you only have one network configured in the dhcp server on the pi?
[22:07] <gnarface> i see that the ip you do expect is a public ip
[22:07] <gnarface> while 192.168 is private...
[22:07] <gnarface> so i guess the second question is ... does any of this actually break your functionality even?
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[22:08] <gnarface> i'd still like to see the output of "/sbin/ifconfig -a" but i guess from the nas4free box, so since its BSD-based, probably actually "/sbin/ifconfig -A"
[22:08] <gnarface> (with both addresses of course active)
[22:09] <tony1> gnarface: the one I expect is the 192.* so ifconfig shows init 192.* and under that I have init 66.* so it looks like two IP;S are being bound to 1 nic
[22:09] <gnarface> can i see please?
[22:09] <gnarface> you can use paste.debian.net
[22:09] <gnarface> (no ads)
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[22:11] <tony1> inet 192.168.1.13 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 inet 66.152.109.110 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 66.152.109.255
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[22:11] <tony1> 192 is on top
[22:11] <gnarface> that's not the whole thing tony1
[22:11] <tony1> your commands did not work
[22:11] <gnarface> interesting....
[22:12] <gnarface> how about without the -a?
[22:12] <gnarface> and please define "did not work" by pasting the error
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[22:15] <tony1> gnarface: paste.debian.net/hidden/e7705140 did I send it right?
[22:15] <gnarface> tony1: yes, but next time don't omit the http:// (its rude)
[22:17] <tony1> gnarface: sorry the http was not there. not trying to be rude at all.
[22:17] <gnarface> tony1: i got nothing though. you're right, that's pretty weird
[22:17] <gnarface> tony1: their devs have no idea either/
[22:17] <gnarface> ?
[22:17] <gnarface> tony1: do they have an irc channel of their own that you can ask in?
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[22:19] <tony1> gnarface: i did ask in there irc. they dont seem to know. I will ask again. did you see the paste?
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[22:19] <gnarface> yea, i saw the paste. its exactly how you described it.
[22:19] <gnarface> do you know anything at all about 66.152.109.110 ? is it familiar to you at all?
[22:20] <gnarface> it appears to be in albany, new york
[22:20] <gnarface> at least that's what the reverse lookup domain suggests
[22:20] <gnarface> (tvc-ip.com)
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[22:21] <gnarface> its not responding to pings, but the traceroute completes
[22:21] <gnarface> so its routeable
[22:21] <tony1> gnarface: that is close to my location and if it is my ISP it should not be bount to my file server
[22:21] <tony1> bound
[22:21] <gnarface> i agree, but i'm still wondering if somehow its happening due to some weird feature of the nas4free box and some DHCP service on your network you were'nt aware of
[22:22] <gnarface> your ISP no doubt provided you a local network router that has its own DHCP server right?
[22:22] <gnarface> maybe something weird could be happening if you've got this nas4free box connected to its bridged interface or something...
[22:23] <tony1> gnarface: I would think that if its something wierd on my network the nas box would have been given the 66.* ip after I shutdown the pi
[22:23] <gnarface> i mean, obviously that ip has to be coming from *somewhere* so i'm just hypothesizing plausible sources
[22:24] <gnarface> tony1: yea i would think that too, but maybe somehow when you shut down the pi it shuts down the interface entirely, stopping that from happening. or maybe isc-dhcp is proxying the upstream dhcp answers... i dunno. doesn't seem plausible but i'm runing out of ideas
[22:24] <gnarface> tony1: what does ifconfig output when the pi is shut down?
[22:25] <gnarface> could you paste it too?
[22:25] <tony1> I have by own cable router "surfbord extream sb6141" and that goes to my router
[22:26] <tony1> gnarface: it will be 0.*
[22:27] <tony1> gnarface: if I unplug my cable router and reboot the nas I get the IP in my 192.* subnet
[22:27] <gnarface> that wasn't an answer, but that does bring up other questions: are you *certain* the surfboard extream whatever doesn't have a dhcp service enabled, and are you sure you're not bridged to its public side interface... and what is the second router.? you just suggested you have a router behind a router. for the second instance of "router" in that sentence, did you mean "modem" ?
[22:28] <vagrantc> and have you tried plugging in other devices on the same network? do they get multiple IP addresses?
[22:28] <gnarface> tony1: ^^^ this is also a very good question
[22:29] <gnarface> but i would suspect for equivalent behavior, said devices would need to be using whatever dhcp client the freebsd system on the nas4free box is using
[22:29] * gnarface doesn't know jack about freebsd either
[22:29] <vagrantc> but if they sometimes get one ip address range, and sometimes another, that might say something
[22:29] <tony1> gnarface: I ment to say cable modem>router>switch>pc
[22:30] <vagrantc> so both your router and the raspberry pi are running dhcp servers?
[22:30] <gnarface> wait, >pc?
[22:30] <vagrantc> it sounds suspiciously like there are two dhcp servers on the network... which is generally a bad idea.
[22:30] <tony1> the dhcp is turned of in the router
[22:30] <gnarface> you mean the nas4free box and the raspberry pi are also routing traffic THROUGH a *PC* ? or by "pc" did you actually mean: cable modem>router>switch>pi|nas4free
[22:31] <tony1> the nas box is the only box i am haveing trouble with
[22:31] <gnarface> cause if there is like a windows box between the pi and the nas4freebox and the switch.... we have another suspect
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[22:32] <tony1> the pi only does dhcp and dns
[22:32] <tony1> no other router
[22:33] <vagrantc> and the nas4free box gets no ip address when the pi's dhcp server is turned off?
[22:33] <tony1> I wonder if the cable company setup my modem wrong when they activated it and it is only afecting the nas
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[22:33] <tony1> vagrantc: corect
[22:34] <gnarface> there is something fishy here
[22:34] <vagrantc> does the router have dnsmasq installed?
[22:35] <vagrantc> basically, though, you'll want to get support from people who know nas4free, as it doesn't really sound like a raspbian issue.
[22:35] <tony1> not sure about dnsmasq just a cheep home wifi router
[22:35] <vagrantc> tony1: can you turn off your pi and enable dhcp on the router? does it behave the same?
[22:36] <vagrantc> or is the cable modem somehow accidentally plugged into the switch as well as the router?
[22:36] <vagrantc> or are there other devices on the network that might be handing out dhcp?
[22:37] <gnarface> tony1: somewhere in there i suspect one of your fundamental assumptions is wrong, but it also doesn't sound like without pedantic trial&error testing, the problem can be actually debugged anywhere outside of the nas4free box, since that's what's receiving two dhcp addresses.... i mean... doesn't it have a dhcp client log you can look at ?
[22:37] <gnarface> in theory the dhcp client's log should *tell* you where its getting both ip addresses
[22:38] <gnarface> the fact its *using* them both concurrently however is utterly foreign behavior to me, but again... nas4free is based on freebsd which i know less about than i even know about windows
[22:38] <tony1> the wierd thing is I dont see anything in the logs
[22:38] <tony1> let me try the router dhcp server BRB
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[22:41] <gnarface> if there's literally *nothing* in the logs then either you're looking in the wrong logs or you need to adjust the log verbosity
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[22:50] <tony1> ok with the router dhcp I still get a second ip and it is 198.105.251.210 wierd I just dont get it
[22:51] <tony1> I will look into log levels for sure
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[22:53] <gnarface> tony1: yes, do look into the log levels. i have a new hypothesis. you said that 66.* address was in your area but not actually one you own or your business owns? its entirely possible (based on the initial theory that the nas4free box is able to answer multiple DHCP replies concurrently) that maybe your router is *erroneously* forwarding in to your private network DHCP broadcasts that some one near you is *erroneousl
[22:53] <gnarface> y* broadcasting out publicly.
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[22:54] <gnarface> tony1: this is pretty bad behavior for a router, and you should make it firewall such traffic out better, however it would be the responsible thing to do to also contact the owners/renters of that ip block and notify them too, since this could represent a security hazard for them as well.
[22:55] <gnarface> tony1: (in theory you or anyone else could hijack traffic to that server from them)
[22:56] <gnarface> tony1: (of course, one would typically assume the ISP you both share would have better upstream security than to allow this to happen, but since it appears to be a *cable* ISP.... heh. don't bet your life on it)
[22:56] <gnarface> tony1: you get +1 internets for weird shit happening today
[22:58] <tony1> gnarface: 198.105.251.210 is in colorado
[22:58] <gnarface> tony1: no, i'm talking about 66.152.109.110
[22:59] <tony1> gnarface: only nas4free has this problem all other distros get 1 IP
[23:00] <tony1> gnarface: whell when I changed dhcp servers the 66* changed to 198.105.251.210
[23:00] <gnarface> tony1: yea, as i stated previously, that's been my experience with dhcp clients as well; when subjected to multiple dhcp broadcasts they'll just "fight over it" switching around hysterically between the addresses... but as i also stated previously, i don't know shit about nas4free or freebsd
[23:01] <gnarface> tony1: start with blocking all broadcast traffic from the public internet. no good can come of that
[23:02] <gnarface> tony1: this is a hazard unique to cable networks (dsl networks don't forward broadcast traffic)
[23:02] <tony1> gnarface: well you helped me a lot really, and thank you both very much. I think ill call my ISP and have them take a look.
[23:02] <gnarface> tony1: good luck...
[23:02] <tony1> maybe they miss configured my modem
[23:02] <gnarface> tony1: (you're gonna need it)
[23:02] * gnarface snorts
[23:03] <gnarface> tony1: they misconfigure *all* the modems
[23:03] <gnarface> tony1: you were just lucky enough to notice
[23:03] <gnarface> tony1: i don't envy you the war you're gonna start with helpdesk though
[23:04] <gnarface> tony1: out of curiosity, who is your cable ISP? i just like to keep score of "massivly bad shit done by major ISPs"
[23:04] <tony1> it is timewarner here in rochester NY
[23:05] <gnarface> ah yes, timewarner
[23:05] <gnarface> their sins against humanity are well known
[23:05] <tony1> lol
[23:05] <gnarface> my guess is you probably don't really have any alternatives either though
[23:08] <tony1> ya know I guess it could also be my old wireless router. ill try a new router I guess and see if that filters anything out. you would think the fire wall would not allow this to happen
[23:11] <gnarface> you would think that, but you might need to manually change the firewall settings to make sure it does not happen
[23:17] * vagrantc would be surprised if dhcp requests were routed to additional physical networks...
[23:18] <tony1> I am going to try and get a new router tomorrow and see what happens in the mean time i will fire wall the nas. ill let you know the outcome
[23:20] <gnarface> vagrantc: it would represent a massively poor configuration on those people's networks too, to be broadcasting their dhcp server traffic out to the public, but not unheard of, and its well known that cable networks are fundamentally less secure than all other types of networks *specifically* because they DO historically forward all broadcast traffic. being on a cable network is like being on an unswitched hub with ever
[23:20] <gnarface> yone else in your neighborhood
[23:20] <tony1> vagrantc: my file server will become master browser for a network that is not mine. i do not like this
[23:21] <tony1> but like i said its only my file server
[23:21] <gnarface> vagrantc: initially the primary culprit was comcast, but its becoming more popular with companies like timewarner and others entering the fray with utterly unswitched networks
[23:22] <gnarface> vagrantc: it may be an unavoidable consequence of using coax networks designed originally only for one-way cable TV traffic to actually "network" in the modern sense, but either way i find it unscrupulous bordering on criminal negligence
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[23:24] <gnarface> vagrantc: the moral of the story is, if your broadband provider is a cable network, run your own firewall behind the router they give you, and make sure you know what you're doing so you can filter out the network traffic equivalent of roaming dingo packs
[23:25] <tony11> I thought my router was a firewall. looks like its not doing a good job
[23:25] <gnarface> tony11: just cause its not doing a good job by default doesn't mean you can't configure it to do a good job
[23:26] <gnarface> tony11: however, the elite, the hardcore, and the paranoid, all run an openbsd firewall behind whatever their ISP provides
[23:26] <vagrantc> gnarface: i understand all that; even then, i'd be highly skeptical that the router would be forwarding such traffic to the rest of the network.
[23:27] <gnarface> vagrantc: i get you... but look at the evidence... he's getting random ip address assignments from as far away as colorado.
[23:27] <vagrantc> more likely there's some default ip address that kicks in with the nas4free under certain conditions...
[23:27] <gnarface> vagrantc: that made sense until he just got one from colorado
[23:27] <vagrantc> that actually routed?
[23:28] <gnarface> vagrantc: unclear. network topography isn't always geographically based you know
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[23:28] * vagrantc goes back to working on more plausible red herrings
[23:29] <gnarface> vagrantc: what IS clear is that if there was, as you suggest, "some default address" 1) it would not likely be a PUBLIC one and 2) it would not change to a completely different class A subnet when you change settings on the router
[23:29] <gnarface> vagrantc: he just went from 66.* to 198.*
[23:30] <gnarface> its *very* hard to explain that plausibly without assuming something massively wrong upstream
[23:30] <gnarface> tony1: (but a default "block all" with specific exceptions should make it irrelevant)
[23:31] <vagrantc> what happens if you plug the nas directly into the cable modem?
[23:31] <vagrantc> reduce your variables...
[23:31] <tony1> the guys at nas4free say they only get 1 ip
[23:31] <gnarface> haha
[23:32] <gnarface> tony1: pastebin them that ifconfig output you pasted me
[23:32] <tony1> gnarface: I did show them
[23:32] <gnarface> and they were like "not possible" ?
[23:33] <tony1> I think I can setup a firewall to only allow dhcp from a 192 subnet ill see if that works
[23:33] * gnarface sighs
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[23:33] <gnarface> who wants to guess which NAS service *i'll* never be using?
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[23:35] <tony1> gnarface: it works great, there is just something thats going on that I dont get. and its probably due to my old equipment not keeping up with the times
[23:35] <tony1> zfs is wonderful
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[23:36] <gnarface> tony1: whatever its due to, the notion that their own developers don't know enough about the OS its piggybacking on to say anything other than "this is impossible" is ... terrifying honestly
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[23:37] <gnarface> tony1: at this point there's a dozen possible parties to blame, but unless you're trolling us and you just forged that paste to me, its not really forgivable that the nas4free devs actually don't know wtf is going on
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[23:37] <gnarface> tony1: now i'm gonna get off my soapbox and stop ranting before i get in trouble
[23:37] <gnarface> tony1: good luck
[23:39] <tony1> gnarface: im no troll, this is just a wierd problem that is only with the nas. all the other nix boxes I have get 1 ip. even debian
[23:39] <tony1> thanks for the help and i will let you know the outcome
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