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[5:09] <afsal> anybody please tell "WHY Raspberry pi" ??
[5:10] <kingii> huh
[5:12] <afsal> I have a old PC so why can't do some raspberry programming things in this PC?
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[5:15] <afsal> can i use a PC instead of raspberry pi for learn programming using the pi tutorials?
[5:16] <kingii> lol
[5:16] <kingii> i dont even know where to start
[5:16] <kingii> simply yes
[5:16] <kingii> u can use a pc for programming
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[5:17] <kingii> everything else depends on what programing language u want to learn
[5:18] <afsal> kingii: C
[5:19] <kingii> just google some C tutorial for what u need for ur pc, basically just something to compile the code
[5:19] <afsal> kingii: so what is the benefit when study programming using Pi?
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[5:31] <kingii> afsal none
[5:32] <kingii> if ur purpose is just to learn C programming
[5:32] <kingii> or some other programming language
[5:32] <SirLagz> afsal: the benefit of the Pi is in interacting with the real world via GPIO
[5:32] <kingii> the only reason to buy a raspbian over a normal pc is the cost and power consumption
[5:33] <kingii> and what lagz said
[5:33] <SirLagz> Normal PCs don't have readily available GPIO pins like the Pi does
[5:34] <kingii> i wouldnt have bought a raspbian if i could have dedicated a pc for just my irc / torrent / mumble server needs
[5:34] <kingii> raspberry*
[5:34] <SirLagz> I have a Pi for a low power desktop at the moment :D
[5:34] <SirLagz> wait. Had. It's currently not working properly lol
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[5:46] <afsal> Oh! I got the GPIO port is the important in pi... :)
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[5:47] <SirLagz> afsal: yep.
[5:51] <afsal> SirLagz: is possible to make available GPIO port in pc
[5:52] <SirLagz> afsal: yes.
[5:52] <afsal> then how? :)
[5:52] <SirLagz> afsal: no idea.
[5:52] <SirLagz> afsal: buy a GPIO card ? Some motherboards have a few GPIO pins available
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[5:54] <SirLagz> afsal: USB GPIO Solution maybe ?
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[5:58] <SirLagz> afsal: PCI GPIO cards will probably cost more than the Pi would though.
[5:59] <afsal> yep 44$
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[6:01] <afsal> is GPIO card is low cost?
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[6:03] <SirLagz> afsal: don't know, never needed to look into it
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[6:04] <afsal> ok
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[6:33] <AndChat217856> Hi
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[6:34] <afsal> Hi
[6:38] <afsal> I think GPIO card cheap
[6:38] <SirLagz> afsal: and then the trouble you may have getting it to work.
[6:39] <SirLagz> afsal: just have to make sure it's supported in LInux
[6:39] <afsal> I'm using debian
[6:44] <afsal> SirLagz: http://elinux.org/GPIO
[6:47] <SirLagz> afsal: and...?
[6:47] <SirLagz> afsal: you still need to make sure the PCI card itself is supported.
[6:48] <afsal> Oh...
[6:48] <afsal> So I must buy one
[6:51] <SirLagz> afsal: a PCI GPIO card ?
[6:51] <kingii> what are u planning on doing with the gpio card ?
[6:52] <afsal> I want make availavle GPIO ports in PC
[6:53] <SirLagz> afsal: yes, you'll need to buy a GPIO PCI/PCI-E card.
[6:53] <afsal> OK
[6:54] <SirLagz> afsal: the one's I've seen cost more than the Pi itself though lol
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[6:55] <Odie_> easy and cheap io ports for pc is arduino nano
[6:55] <Odie_> costs less than 10eur and has nice number of io ports and you can connect it to any computer with usb
[6:56] <afsal> SirLags: it is USB module
[6:57] <kingii> what are u going to do with the gpio ports afsal
[7:06] <afsal> So after enabling gpio port can I do pi example programs
[7:07] <SirLagz> afsal: well you'll need to see if the USB module exposes the GPIO ports in the same way as all the Pi tutorials expect.
[7:07] <SirLagz> I've never used one so I wouldn't know unfortunately
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[7:10] <Odie_> if your intent is to learn programing, you dont need any gpio for that
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[7:11] <afsal> Jodie_: leave it man...
[7:11] <afsal> odie_ leave it man. ..
[7:11] <Odie_> just trying to understand what you are looking for
[7:12] <Odie_> I just got the feeling that you dont know it either
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[7:14] <kingii> ye, same feeling
[7:16] <Odie_> if you want to connect pc to turn leds on/off, do simple i/o with electronics, this is nice way to go: http://www.dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
[7:16] <Odie_> you can get those even cheaper without the bootloader
[7:16] <Odie_> but using that from regular pc program is bit trickier than just running raspberry gpio examples
[7:17] <SirLagz> hence the usefulness of the Pi
[7:17] <Odie_> yeap. altought arduino ui is very nice aswell
[7:17] <Odie_> (and you can combine those two, so you have arduino+raspberry)
[7:18] <kingii> but if u just want to learn programming u dont need anything except the pc
[7:18] <SirLagz> Arduinoberry lol
[7:18] <SirLagz> PiDuino
[7:18] <Odie_> I'd say that some things are easier with the arduino, as you have the examples straight in menu that you can pick and upload
[7:18] <Odie_> but they are different beasts
[7:20] <SirLagz> Odie_: indeed. The Ardiunos don't run a full blown OS...AFAIK lol
[7:20] <Odie_> no, not close by far :)
[7:21] <afsal> My question is that I've an old pc so can i use that experiment like arduino or pi??
[7:21] <Odie_> SirLagz: that one has 2kB of ram :)
[7:21] <Odie_> afsal: yes
[7:21] <SirLagz> afsal: with programs ? Sure ! with GPIO ? Maybe.
[7:22] <Odie_> if you want to blink a led with old pc, it might be harder than with arduino/raspberry
[7:22] <Odie_> but still doable
[7:22] <Odie_> old pc is perfect for learning programming
[7:22] <SirLagz> "PC"s in general are fine for learning programming. Doesn't matter if it's old or new
[7:22] <kingii> still not sure if he wants simply programming or programming external devices to do something
[7:23] <afsal> Yeah
[7:23] <afsal> Programming external also
[7:23] <Odie_> kingii: (very) old pc's have parallel ports, those make it easy to connect to physical world
[7:23] <Odie_> sound card can be used for analog input/output
[7:23] <afsal> But few tutorials
[7:23] <kingii> ok, havent had an old pc except when they were new
[7:24] <SirLagz> Serial / Parallel ports can be used to interface with things, yes.
[7:24] <kingii> and not interested in programming either =)
[7:24] <Odie_> I got my 1st pc that I paid from my own pocket right next to me. I think it's from '96 or '97
[7:24] <SirLagz> Odie_: nice
[7:25] <kingii> learning to use linux is hard enough
[7:25] <SirLagz> lol
[7:25] <Odie_> afsal: do you have any idea where to start? what you want to do? do you have a project that you'd like to make?
[7:26] <afsal> No just fun but serious
[7:26] <SirLagz> afsal: you want some serious fun ? Start learning Assembly :P
[7:26] <Odie_> dont :)
[7:28] <afsal> Sure
[7:28] <Odie_> if you haven't coded at all, assemly is starting at the deep end
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[7:29] <kingii> assembly is tought in finnish it schools just after a few courses in C
[7:29] <Odie_> the language doesn't help you at all on what you are doing, instead you have to explain every small detail
[7:29] <kingii> but i never understood that
[7:29] <kingii> wanting to learn programming for no purpose
[7:29] <Odie_> python is probably not a bad place to start
[7:30] <kingii> i "had" to learn some linux shit so i could use raspberry
[7:30] <kingii> and i hate it
[7:30] <Odie_> it allows you to get stuff done reasonably easily, with just few lines you can make meaningfull programs
[7:30] <Odie_> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[7:31] <kingii> C seems to be the popular language when teaching programming for the first time
[7:31] <Baikonur> C <3
[7:31] <Odie_> kingii: my first programming course was in Scheme (lisp)
[7:31] <Odie_> C is usefull, but I wouldn't start there
[7:32] <kingii> like i said i hate programming but C seemed to be good for teaching the basics
[7:32] <Odie_> I'd recommend python, unless someone can convince something better
[7:33] <Odie_> you have huge amounts of libraries with python, you get more done by writing one line on it than in c
[7:33] <kingii> but does it teach u to understand how programming works
[7:33] <Odie_> and therefore you get the job done faster (you spend less time coding, not that the code would be fast)
[7:33] <kingii> being efficient might not be the best for that
[7:33] <kingii> idea is to teach understanding
[7:34] <Odie_> I think the key in programming is to know loops, functions branches etc
[7:34] <Odie_> and it does teach that
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[7:34] <Odie_> you might stay more interested when you actually see results
[7:35] <Odie_> like you can get pygame library that allows you create simple games with just few hours of learning
[7:35] <Odie_> will take much longer time to understand the nitty details in c
[7:35] <Odie_> I think its results that matter most in programming, atleast if you are doing it as a hobby
[7:36] <Odie_> it doesn't need to be pretty, it needs to do the job you wanted it to do
[7:36] <Odie_> (and python as code is pretty)
[7:36] <kingii> thats true
[7:36] <kingii> but for schools C still sounds better
[7:36] <Odie_> I think not
[7:37] <Odie_> even python might be bad
[7:37] <Odie_> you have to imagine why people learn programming in first place
[7:37] <Odie_> I think we (in finland) should do as they do in Estonia, teach programming in elementary schools
[7:37] <Odie_> C would be definitely wrong language there
[7:38] <Odie_> its not important to learn any language, but the idea behind programming
[7:38] <Odie_> those that will go and get jobs at industry, they need to learn more
[7:38] <Odie_> those that will get their food by writing code will need to understand even at deeper levels
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[7:39] <Odie_> if you look at modern projects, many of them can be coded in very highlevel language
[7:40] <Odie_> but they use libraries that are made in other languages to do their magic (like control GPU)
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[7:40] <kingii> the argument was that u need to understand the basics underneath the more complex languages
[7:40] <kingii> but off to do some work --->
[7:41] <Odie_> I think key here is that we think differently what the basics are
[7:43] <Odie_> as first language, go with something like python, ruby
[7:43] <Odie_> (I haven't used ruby myself, I just hear people recommend it)
[7:44] <kingii> i wont debate about it anymore, i dont know enough about the subject
[7:44] <kingii> but the teachers explanation sounded more convincing than urs
[7:47] <Odie_> beginner gets confused more with c than with python
[7:48] <Odie_> beginner gets bored faster in c than in python
[7:48] <shiftplusone> OR..... everybody learns different and the first language is not as important as people make it out to be.
[7:48] <Odie_> I agree on that, language itself doesnt matter
[7:48] <afsal> No my first languge was c
[7:48] <SirLagz> beginners need to learn the principles of programming.
[7:49] <Odie_> afsal: if you know C, then its not a bad place to continue with it. many languages resemble c quite a lot in many ways
[7:49] <Odie_> and I think you can understand most of a java or python program just by understanding C
[7:50] <afsal> Yeah I know C some advanced level
[7:50] <Odie_> I thought you were looking for 1st programming language
[7:50] <Odie_> :-p
[7:51] <Odie_> after you know a language, next big thing will be to undrestand the framework where you operate
[7:52] <afsal> now i'm thinking abt advanced like linux device drivers, system programming, ...
[7:52] <Odie_> for example android is java, but to understand how to make android program, you have to understand how android works
[7:52] <shiftplusone> As far as the principles go, you can demonstrate variables, flow control, loops, conditions, functions and so on just as well in C as you can in Python, without introducing any of more complex concepts. And I think a beginner will find python's alternative to switch statements, its decorators and way of filtering data as confusing as they will find pointers. If you're going to learn anything, you're going to be confused as some stage, I t
[7:52] <shiftplusone> hink.
[7:52] <kingii> im really confused now , u understand advanced c programming but not if u can program on rpi like on a pc
[7:53] <Odie_> shiftplusone: I thnk we should go and by lego mindstorm set and see what kind of programming interface lego made for kids :)
[7:54] <Odie_> I will probably get a set for my daughter when she turns 1 :)
[7:54] <shiftplusone> Odie_, it's a bit scratch-like, isn't it?
[7:54] <Odie_> I imaagine its some sort of visual way
[7:55] <afsal> I already have a pc can i program in it like a rpi
[7:56] <shiftplusone> afsal, 'depends'. There are some differences. For example, lack of proper gpio, use of opengl over opengl es, openmax for video and so on.
[7:56] <Odie_> afsal: device drivers are special thingies, might be bit hard to find simple enough driver to write that hasn't already been written
[7:57] <afsal> So i think can connect gpio card on pc
[7:57] <shiftplusone> Odie_, my high school had a 'robotics' elective, which was just playing around with lego, and I seem to recall it being very straight forward. Not sure it taught me any programming though.
[7:57] <Odie_> :(
[7:57] <shiftplusone> yes, you can
[7:58] <shiftplusone> it will be expensive and won't work the way it does on the pi, so you won't be able to just transfer code across.
[7:58] <kingii> i have a feeling he's lying about advanced c skillz
[7:58] <kingii> not that it matters
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[7:59] <Odie_> I agree there is some confusion here
[8:00] <Odie_> I would have a nice device driver programming exersize. I have old canon scanner that does not have linux drivers
[8:00] <afsal> Kingii: then what you think saying advanced level
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[8:00] <shiftplusone> I can appreciate that if you're coming from C on the desktop to a more embedded-like platform requires a bit of learning, so I wouldn't jump to 'lying'
[8:01] <afsal> I don't know program linux dd
[8:01] <SirLagz> reminds me of something a friend said of his brother - "my brother can program, but he doesn't know anything about hardware'
[8:02] <Odie_> afsal: have you written a device driver before?
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[8:02] <AndChat|217856> .
[8:02] <Odie_> to any os?
[8:02] <AndChat|217856> No
[8:02] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, that's not the craziest statement.
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[8:03] <AndChat|217856> is me afsal
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[8:03] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, python, php, javascript and java folk don't really need to know the hardware much.
[8:03] <Odie_> afsal: you'd have to know how to operate the board, and you can get that information from two sources: reverse engineer it in another operating system
[8:03] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: I just find it unusual when someone can program but knows nothing about hardware. For me, I like to learn about a broad range of things...but maybe that's me
[8:03] <Odie_> or read datasheets
[8:03] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: that's very true.
[8:03] <Odie_> and in many cases you dont have the datasheets available
[8:04] <AndChat|217856> Yeah my problem is that i don't know abt hardware
[8:04] <Odie_> there are many advanced topics where you dont have to know almost nothing in hardware, but everything on the algorithms needed
[8:05] <Odie_> I like having broad knowledge too, there just is too much information for one person to know "everything"
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[8:06] <AndChat|217856> Odie_: can you please some books or tutorials to learn about hardware in linuz
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[8:06] <AndChat|217856> Linux
[8:07] <SirLagz> Odie_: very true. I like to learn the basics of a lot of things, then refer to the experts when I need help :D
[8:07] <shiftplusone> I like to learn about things enough that they don't seem like magic black boxes.
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[8:08] <shiftplusone> AndChat|217856, this might be promising https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[8:08] <Odie_> SirLagz: I was thinking that I'd need to learn how to weld (like fixing rusted car)
[8:08] <Odie_> well, s/need/like/
[8:09] <SirLagz> Odie_: haha same :D
[8:09] <SirLagz> Odie_: need to make up some Intercooler piping :D
[8:09] <Odie_> I have a pet project that would be webcam guided robot
[8:09] <Odie_> haha :)
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[8:09] <Odie_> I don't have need, just interest of learning
[8:09] <shiftplusone> Ooh, my brother just took a welding short course and bought a welder, so I'll definitely be giving it a go >.>
[8:09] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: nice
[8:10] <Odie_> one another thing would be to play with silicon molds/plastics
[8:10] <shiftplusone> It is all confusing though.... different types of welders, different ways to work with different metals and so on =/
[8:10] <AndChat|217856> I know LDD3 it is more theoretical
[8:11] <Odie_> AndChat|217856: how about if you write a simple device driver that echoes bytes back that you feed to it?
[8:11] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: indeed. I used to work with Gold / White gold / Platinum a lot. That was fun
[8:11] <shiftplusone> Of course it's theoretical, it's a book. It's up to you to make it practical.
[8:12] <Odie_> doing that forces you to learn basic ideas of the device driver without all the hassle of actually controlling a piece of hardware that you dont have specs for
[8:12] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, when would you need to weld gold? O_o
[8:12] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: well. not welding. Soldering gold with a small oxy torch
[8:12] <shiftplusone> ah
[8:12] <Odie_> did you see the video of someone making a golden ipod?
[8:13] <SirLagz> making gold ingots was similar to welding though :D
[8:13] <SirLagz> nice big torch to melt it
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[8:14] <shiftplusone> Odie_, I haven't but what are they doing, just plating it or making the case from scratch?
[8:14] <Odie_> I'll find the vid, I think you'll enjoy it
[8:14] <Odie_> its about craftmanship
[8:14] <shiftplusone> I do like that sort of thing..... watched a lot of sword making videos >.>
[8:15] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: so did you learn how ot make a sword ? :D
[8:15] <Odie_> http://www.riemurasia.net/video/Kultakello-Ipodista/123200
[8:15] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, I've learned that it's hell of a lot more work than I would be willing to put in.
[8:15] <SirLagz> haha
[8:16] <shiftplusone> Especially if you try to be authentic about it and limit the use of technology and ready materials.
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[8:16] <Odie_> ^^ thats the clip I was looking for
[8:16] <SirLagz> I should really be doing work...
[8:16] <SirLagz> I've been sitting on IRC pretty much all of today at work haha
[8:16] <SirLagz> oops
[8:16] <Odie_> I'm on sickleave, so for me its fine :)
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[8:18] <Odie_> shiftplusone: I've enjoyed those clips as well. I like to see talented people to do their magic
[8:19] <shiftplusone> Cool, this silicon molding thing is new to me.
[8:22] <Odie_> some rc-hobbyists use that to make spare parts for their remote controlled cars/airplanes/copters
[8:22] <Odie_> *choppers
[8:24] <shiftplusone> ah
[8:24] <Odie_> I think that vid shows some talent. Just cant understand why someone did that?
[8:26] <Odie_> reminds me of this: 240 year old robot, writing boy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gf5lqQpP5Y
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[8:26] <shiftplusone> Not the most convenient watch (or iPod), but the end product is pretty cool.
[8:27] <Odie_> maybe those are done as adverts. "hey, I can do this"
[8:28] <shiftplusone> O_o That writing boy is a thing? I thought that part of Hugo was ridiculous >.>
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[18:46] <jisuka> Hello people, me a newbie to RPI have a small doubt
[18:47] <jisuka> I have copied a file into the sdcard from windows
[18:47] <jisuka> Now I want to access that in Raspbian
[18:47] <jisuka> I tried exploring the raspian filesystem it was not seen
[18:48] <jisuka> Could anybody please tell me how to do it?
[18:49] <Odie_> you probably have a separate partition on the sdcard that the raspberry uses for booting, but not as root file system
[18:49] <Odie_> so its on that partition, you need to mount it
[18:49] <Odie_> cat /proc/partitions
[18:49] <Odie_> and mount the (v)fat partition with mount command while being root user
[18:50] <kingii> isnt it easier to transfer files with a usb stick instead of sticking the sd card in ur pc
[18:50] <Odie_> the usb port is not hot pluggable, so its not really that easy
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[18:51] <jisuka> sda is there in cat /proc/partitions
[18:52] <Odie_> nothing else?
[18:52] <jisuka> But thats my 1 TB harddisk
[18:52] <jisuka> And many other mmcblk0* files
[18:52] <Odie_> type mount
[18:52] <Odie_> and see whats the device name for /
[18:53] <Odie_> or df -k /
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[18:53] <Odie_> I really need to boot up my raspberry to see how those are named
[18:53] <jisuka> df -k / tells me /dev/root
[18:53] <Odie_> nothhing else?
[18:54] <jisuka> mount printed multiple lines
[18:54] <jisuka> first line about /dev/root on /
[18:54] <Odie_> bah
[18:55] <Odie_> how about fdisk -l ? (not sure if this is with raspbian)
[18:55] <jisuka> fdisk -l is empty
[18:57] <jisuka> mount has in output this line
[18:57] <kingii> where did u put the file in windows, inside the raspbian files?
[18:57] <jisuka> devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw, reltatime, size=183312k,..
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[18:58] <Odie_> I think the "proper way of" installing raspbian is to have boot partition that is fat
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[18:58] <Odie_> that contains the kernel image that the raspberry boots
[18:58] <jisuka> created a folder and inside it
[18:58] <Odie_> its probably that filesystem that windows sees
[18:58] <Odie_> when you do cat /proc/partitions, one of those is probably the one you are looking for
[18:59] <Odie_> so you could do mkdir /z
[18:59] <Odie_> and mount random_paritition /z
[18:59] <Odie_> and one of those will work
[18:59] <Odie_> try from the top of the list, I'd assume it would be the 1st partition
[18:59] <jisuka> any parameters to be passed for that?
[18:59] <Odie_> try with the partition name +´mountpoint to start with
[19:00] <Odie_> so just like mount /dev/mmcblk01 /z
[19:00] <oh7fdn> Any idea why alsamixer quits, when I press any F1-F12 -key?
[19:00] <jisuka> okay will try than
[19:00] <jisuka> *that
[19:01] <Odie_> oh7fdn: f key sends out multiple characters, maybe one of those is the same as alsamixer quit?
[19:02] <jisuka> the first mount says already mounted
[19:02] <jisuka> mmcblk0
[19:02] <Odie_> can you see where?
[19:02] <jisuka> can I get to know where it is mounted?
[19:03] <Odie_> type mount
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[19:03] <oh7fdn> hmm... how to fix that? changing soundcard is now impossible... (atm I'm trying to play with rtl-sdr)
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[19:04] <Odie_> caatalsamixer -c 1 to choose card 1
[19:04] <Odie_> alsamixer -c 1 to choose card 1
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[19:04] <Odie_> ?
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[19:05] <jisuka> Odie in mount it is not there
[19:05] <jisuka> last lines say
[19:06] <jisuka> mmcblk0p3 mounted on /boot
[19:06] <jisuka> and
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[19:06] <jisuka> mmcblk0p3 on /media/SETTINGS
[19:06] <jisuka> thats all about mmcblk0 in mount
[19:06] <Odie_> have you looked whast on those directories?
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[19:06] <jisuka> yeah
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[19:08] <jisuka> it is not there
[19:08] <Odie_> I need to boot up mine...
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[19:09] <jisuka> the other one
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[19:09] <jisuka> also doesnot have familiar files
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[19:11] <jisuka> yeah got it
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[19:11] <jisuka> I mounted one from /proc/partitions and it has the things
[19:11] <jisuka> :)
[19:12] <Odie_> sweet
[19:12] <kingii> tbh i didnt even know windows could drop files in the same sd card in a way which linux would understand, i thought linux would just get nerd crankyness and fail to recognise them
[19:12] <jisuka> Thank you so much Odie!
[19:12] <Odie_> kingii: it's because there is a fat partition in the installation
[19:12] <Odie_> and windows definitely can understand those
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[19:14] <kingii> what command shows me the partition type of the partitions
[19:14] <kingii> if there is one
[19:16] <ioudas> df -h
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[19:17] <ioudas> cat /proc/mounts
[19:17] <Odie_> how about for unmounted?
[19:18] <ioudas> i use fdisk
[19:18] <ioudas> or df
[19:19] <kingii> df -h doesnt show the partition type
[19:19] <kingii> recognised ext4 for the boot from /proc/mounts
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[20:52] <christo_m> what is the command to restart xbmc from ssh?
[20:53] <christo_m> it freezes randomly for some reason (after long periods of inactivity)
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[21:06] <gnarface> christo_m: not being familiar really with xbmc, i'm gonna say: killall -9 xbmc
[21:06] <gnarface> christo_m: then start it again
[21:07] <gnarface> christo_m: or maybe if you're lucky just something like /etc/init.d/xbmc restart
[21:08] <gnarface> christo_m: i'd have to see the output of this to make a better guess: ps aux --forest
[21:08] <gnarface> christo_m: (someone who actually uses xbmc would know for sure though)
[21:09] <gnarface> christo_m: the better question though is why its freezing. it shouldn't do that.
[21:10] <gnarface> christo_m: you're sure its xmbc that's actually freezing right, not like... the wifi connection itself?
[21:10] <gnarface> christo_m: (wifi devices on the pi are notoriously unreliable over long periods of time due to lack of sufficient usb power)
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