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[1:16] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys is it safe to add your main user to fuse?
[1:16] <Psil0Cybin> to mount encfs folders?
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[1:43] <Budd> Psil0Cybin: I think so, at least reasonably safe.
[1:44] <Budd> How can I use my raspicam for motion detection (capturing a few seconds of video each time)?
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[1:58] <Psil0Cybin> Budd, thanks for that answer
[1:58] <Psil0Cybin> Budd, is it recommended? I found it on a guide for mounting a external hd
[1:58] <Psil0Cybin> for bit sync
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[2:43] <Budd> Psil0Cybin: I don't know about general practice; on a shared system, I probably wouldn't trust it, but on my own, sure.
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[2:44] <Budd> Mainly because mounting is very entangled in the kernel, and (in my estimation) there are likely to be security and stability holes.
[3:05] <Psil0Cybin> okay next question this might be noob like :P how can i see what application is what process so i can stop it
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[3:12] <Budd> killall -v <processname>
[3:13] <Budd> or top, for a general view
[3:13] <Budd> or ps -C <processname>
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[3:36] <Psil0Cybin> thanks
[3:36] <Psil0Cybin> and last silly question
[3:36] <Psil0Cybin> if i want to keep an external hard drive on 24/7 but it has no fan on the hard drive, and its getting semi warm/hot...is that fine? is there anything i can do to perhaps cool it, if i want it always connected to my raspberry pi? or any machine for that matter?
[3:36] <Psil0Cybin> this may be a little semi off topic :P but for my raspberry server use
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[9:55] <diederik> Hi! I'm trying to wget the raspberrypi's gpg key through "wget http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/raspberrypi.gpg.key" (on my RPi)
[9:56] <diederik> But when I do that, I get the response "403 Forbidden file type or location: <url>". But typing that url in my browser returns the key file
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[9:56] <diederik> Why does one method work, but not the other? (and how do I get wget to work?)
[9:59] <hifi> it has a round robin
[9:59] <hifi> your browser has a working ip cached
[9:59] <diederik> interesting
[10:03] <diederik> tried it with an ip address, but that didn't help either
[10:05] <diederik> but I also noted another oddity ... it apparently tries to use my apt-proxy to get that file ... looking into it.
[10:05] <diederik> Still open for other suggestions (it's for fetching the key during installation with raspbian-ua-netinst)
[10:06] <hifi> any particular reason why you'd want to slow down the process by using signing?
[10:06] <hifi> if the key sources is the same as the package source, you lose the trust anyway
[10:06] <hifi> source*
[10:08] <diederik> Can you expand a bit on that? I don't think I understand what you're getting at.
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[10:08] <diederik> The reason I want that key is because installation of packages from raspberrypi.org are untrusted and I don't want that.
[10:09] <hifi> you mean installing the key at the end of the installation for the finished system?
[10:09] <diederik> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L445 <- that one fails consistently with me
[10:09] <diederik> yes
[10:10] <hifi> right, then it's a lost cause anyway ;)
[10:11] <diederik> because ...
[10:11] <hifi> I thought you meant using the key to verify packages you are installing
[10:11] <hifi> that was explicitly disabled in raspbian-ua-netinst to avoid the overhead
[10:11] <hifi> diederik: if an attacker gains control of archive.raspberrypi.org, he has control over the key and the packages that are signed with it
[10:11] <hifi> the security model is broken if you ship the key along with the packages
[10:12] <diederik> ok, good to know (overhead)
[10:12] <hifi> it's fairly normal to do so with unofficial repositories though
[10:12] <diederik> it totally makes sense what you say, but the raspian-archive-keyring is also installed ...
[10:13] <hifi> or providing the fingerprint somewhere else that you can check against
[10:13] <hifi> as said, broken :p
[10:13] <diederik> lol
[10:13] <hifi> if someone gains access to the raspbian archive, you are toasted as they can silently sign packages that can be automatically installed during an update
[10:14] <hifi> well, not directly
[10:14] <hifi> actually highly unlikely as most raspbians are pre-installed images
[10:14] <diederik> yeah, but all key-based security is toasted when they get access to the private key ...
[10:14] <hifi> no one's shipping the private key
[10:15] <hifi> but the public key also matters where you get it from
[10:15] <diederik> no, but to sign you'd need the private key, right?
[10:15] <diederik> also good point.
[10:16] <diederik> but we either don't try to add the raspberrypi.org key at all, or do it properly.
[10:16] <diederik> Now it's neither
[10:17] <hifi> shipping the key is one possibly solution
[10:17] <hifi> as then the source of the public key differs
[10:17] <rozie> hifi: public key is irrevelant
[10:17] <rozie> packages are signed with private key
[10:17] <hifi> it is relevant when you verify a package signature
[10:18] <hifi> if someone ships a forged public key and packages that were signed with the private part, you don't know you just installed malware
[10:18] <hifi> that's how attacks have been made against linux distributions in the past
[10:18] <rozie> only if you add forged key manually
[10:18] <hifi> the ftp servers get compromised, a public key is added to the trusted keyring and malware included packages are installed
[10:19] <rozie> there are key packages for this
[10:19] <rozie> (also signed)
[10:19] <hifi> I doubt you can do that for already installed systems
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[10:19] <hifi> but you can do that for newly installed systems
[10:19] <hifi> depending where they get their bootstrap keys
[10:19] <rozie> only if you control installer
[10:20] <rozie> (which also should be signed)
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[10:20] <diederik> so the best solution would be to get the raspberrypi key packaged for raspbian? (or added to the raspbian keyring package)
[10:20] <hifi> raspbian-ua-netinst does not verify the packages at all, so for example compromized raspbian mirror could silently cause harm to raspbian-ua-netinst users
[10:20] <rozie> diederik: take a look how they do it in Debian
[10:20] <hifi> that's a known issue of course, it was intentional to speed it up
[10:21] <diederik> that's what I'm trying to do, but it could very well be I'm missing some key info.
[10:21] <hifi> key info, heh
[10:21] <diederik> lol, was unintended
[10:23] <diederik> rozie: afaik Debian does it through the debian-archive-keyring
[10:23] <hifi> the question is how the installer does verification
[10:23] <hifi> D-I
[10:23] <diederik> and raspbian through the raspbian-archive-keyring
[10:24] <diederik> ok, so you're suggesting to add the raspberrypi.org key to the installer package?
[10:24] <diederik> (would also fix the wget issue btw)
[10:25] <hifi> I'm not suggesting anything really
[10:26] <hifi> whatever D-I does is probably the best approach regarding debian
[10:26] <hifi> though it also verifies the packages most definitely through the install process
[10:26] <hifi> (probably also why the D-I hack for raspbian was slow)
[10:26] <diederik> but I'm not exactly familiar with the inner workings of D-I (and hope I don't have to learn)
[10:27] <diederik> even though I find the discussion interesting on an academic level ... I'm also the kind of person to want a solution, however inperfect it may be
[10:28] <diederik> (read that as: "Even though it's not perfect")
[10:28] <hifi> it's odd though why it fails, it should use the same proxy for wget as it does for the installer
[10:29] <diederik> I'm going to try to do the install again, this time not specifying my apt-cacher-proxy
[10:30] <diederik> because that statement does seem to work once I've rebooted my system
[10:31] <hifi> optionally you could add the current key as a failsafe
[10:31] <hifi> if downloading fails
[10:31] <diederik> (the wget -> apt-key add
[10:31] <diederik> good idea
[10:31] <hifi> then it should mostly work forever
[10:31] <hifi> even though the integrity is lost it's long lost anyway
[10:32] <hifi> unless sign verification is added and the current keys bundled with the installer
[10:33] <diederik> pretty sure it's the http_proxy setting. No problem getting the key once rebooted.
[10:33] <hifi> wget will use the proxy
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[10:34] <diederik> and it looks like that fails
[10:34] <diederik> Hopefully I can find a way to specify both a http proxy and an apt-proxy
[10:35] <hifi> of course, you can switch the env variable before doing wget
[10:35] <hifi> preferrably have http_proxy as the default one that is used through the whole process and allow specifying apt_http_proxy or something for cdebootstrap only
[10:35] <diederik> ok, thanks for the pointer :)
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[11:05] <arpad> Ing1Kat2Ast3
[11:07] <Odie_> missing special character
[11:08] <Odie_> but better than average, imo
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[11:35] <lacrymology> I'm using an ubuntu box and want to get packages for a raspi (running raspbian) which has no internet connection. Is there any way for me to do that that doesn't require me to go to the raspi, check with apt-get what it tries to install, go to the raspberry pi repos and download, rinse and repeat? as in, can I do all that directly from my computer?
[11:35] <hifi> why can't you give network connection to your pi
[11:36] <hifi> networkmanager has a network sharing function, if you have a model B pi, just use a cross-over cable to share your connection
[11:36] <hifi> you'll save a lot of tears that way
[11:37] <lacrymology> hifi: I don't have a cable
[11:38] <lacrymology> I don't have a wifi connector
[11:38] <lacrymology> I only have a 3g modem and I need some packages to make it work
[11:38] <hifi> first one is around $2
[11:38] <hifi> you sure you don't own a single Ethernet cable?
[11:39] <lacrymology> hifi: that would assume I'm not in the middle of the mountain in indonesia 2 hours away from the nearest middle-sized town, and happy to have 3g at all
[11:39] <lacrymology> hifi: I own a grand total of 28kg of things. I'm pretty sure I know every sigle thing I own
[11:40] <lacrymology> =)
[11:40] <hifi> it's a fair assumption you're not in the middle of a mountain in indonesia 2 hours away from the nearest middle-sized town, yes
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[11:40] <hifi> your current solutions sounds reasonable
[11:40] <lacrymology> I don't have a cable, I plan on buying one as soon as I find one of those small flat ones. I had one but lost it in some hostel last month
[11:40] <hifi> you can use dpkg to install them invidually
[11:41] <lacrymology> yeah, my question is if there's a way for me to know all the packages I'll need without having to go back and forth with the raspi
[11:41] <lacrymology> (there *is* a TV with hdmi i this place, magically enough)
[11:41] <hifi> write them down when you do apt-get install
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[11:41] <hifi> it shows all the dependencies
[11:42] <lacrymology> so no, no way of telling my computer's apt to look in "these other repos"
[11:42] <lacrymology> to be absolutely fair, I just want to do this now to win time. The whole idea is to have the raspi as a wifi relay for the 3g connection, so I *will* need the wifi card before I can make use of it
[11:43] <hifi> you can tell your apt that, but it doesn't know what you already have installed
[11:43] <hifi> your pi's apt does
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[11:45] <lacrymology> 'course. But will it know all the dependencies without checking the internet?
[11:45] <hifi> yes
[11:46] <hifi> one possible issue is, depending how old the installation is, the versions might have changed
[11:46] <pingo> Can anything bad happen if I mount whole /var to tmpfs and limit its size to 30MB?
[11:46] <hifi> so worst case is when you start installing the latest packages by hand you'll end up with issues
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[11:48] <pingo> I am wondering what happens when /var fills up and there is no more space available, will this cause bad things to happen?
[11:48] <hifi> pingo: there are guides for read-only root installs of debian, they'll give you some idea
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[12:09] <diederik> lacrymology: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4419268/how-do-i-download-a-package-from-apt-get-without-installing-it
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[12:19] <lacrymology> diederik: I'm going to ask this before reading, but: will that download raspi packages from my PC?
[12:19] <diederik> I believe it does. I haven't used those programs myself, but afaik it does exactly what you want.
[12:20] <diederik> You run it on your raspi and then it creates some kind of signature, which you can use on another machine to download those packages.
[12:21] <lacrymology> diederik: but then I need to download those packages onto the raspi before using them, I'm running into the same paradox as before, here
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[12:22] <diederik> no. It downloads them on your PC and then you put them on an USB stick or sth like that and use that to transfer it to your RPi
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[12:58] <lacrymology> diederik: but according to that, I need apt-offline on the raspi, and I don't have it, so I need to at least download that and it's dependencies before, that's what I was saying
[12:59] <lacrymology> OTOH, it does look like a mighty useful thing
[13:03] <diederik> sounds about right. So you'll need python, python-argparse, apt and less
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[13:05] <diederik> and apt-zip can probably help with that ;-)
[13:05] <diederik> it'll probably take some experimentation, but they sound as very useful tools indeed.
[13:07] <lacrymology> diederik: I'll just download the apt-offline raspi package and see what my ubuntu apt thinks about it. It might be able to download the dependencies
[13:08] <diederik> It would be great if you'd document the process and share it with the rest of the world/community :-) Good luck!
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[13:19] <lacrymology> looks like the raspi comunity is lacking some serious sysadmins
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[13:24] <diederik> excellent opportunity to improve on that ;-)
[13:25] <lacrymology> I'm *not* a sysadmin
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[20:28] <goneeuro> Does anyone know why my raspbmc is holding back 7 packages while running apt-get updrade and dist-upgrade?
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[20:32] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all. Over the last few days we've noticed an increase in fake donation requests asking for donations in various digital currencies. Please not that freenode does not currently accept cash donations in any currency and anything sent to these scammers will not aide freenode in any way. Also, please see http://blog.freenode.net/2010/11/be-safe-out-there/
[20:33] <KillYourTV> do you have any packages pinned? (check apt-cache policy)
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[20:35] <KillYourTV> not sure if this got through before I pinged out (or if anyone else responded, but):
[20:35] <KillYourTV> goneeuro: do you have any packages pinned? (check apt-cache policy)
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[20:37] <KillYourTV> or any packages held through another means (e.g. in aptitude or with dpkg --set-selections)
[20:39] <goneeuro> root@raspbmc:/home/pi# apt-cache policy
[20:39] <goneeuro> Package files:
[20:39] <goneeuro> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:39] <goneeuro> release a=now
[20:39] <goneeuro> 500 http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/non-free armhf Packages
[20:39] <goneeuro> release v=7.0,o=Raspbian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Raspbian,c=non-free
[20:39] <goneeuro> origin archive.raspbian.org
[20:39] <goneeuro> 500 http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/contrib armhf Packages
[20:39] <goneeuro> release v=7.0,o=Raspbian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Raspbian,c=contrib
[20:39] <goneeuro> origin archive.raspbian.org
[20:39] <goneeuro> 500 http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main armhf Packages
[20:39] <goneeuro> release v=7.0,o=Raspbian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Raspbian,c=main
[20:39] <goneeuro> origin archive.raspbian.org
[20:39] <goneeuro> Pinned packages:
[20:39] <goneeuro> sysvinit -> (not found)
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[20:44] <goneeuro> ok. Logged back in. Sorry. I got kicked on accident.
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[20:46] <GeekGirl> hi there.. i am facing problems with serial console outputs from the RPI while it boots
[20:47] <GeekGirl> Settings : 115200, 8bits, no Parity, 1 stop bit, no flow control
[20:47] <GeekGirl> still all i get is gibberish.
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[21:38] <sKeiths> i want to add new port for ssh, not change port from 22. i added extra line in ssh_config and restarted ssh. I'm getting connection refused. i can still access on 22.
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[22:25] <sKeiths> afk. will check back later.
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[23:30] <legendre09> hi all. what's a good irc client for raspbian?
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