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[3:05] <shawnbon206> hifi: have you found in your experience apt-utils needing to be installed? i cant find much about what it's role is
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[3:43] <shawnbon206> lalala
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[6:28] <shawnbon206> hifi: question: after doing an install, i seem to be missing /boot/config.txt. is that by design?
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[6:35] <hifi> yes
[6:36] <hifi> it only installs the minimum required for a bootable networked raspbian
[6:37] <shawnbon206> initramfs isnt required ? i keep getting errors.. sorry if youre asked that a lot :)
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[6:39] <shawnbon206> ln: failed to create hard link `/boot/initrd.img-3.6-trunk-rpi.dpkg-bak' => `/boot/initrd
[6:39] <shawnbon206> whats this mean
[6:40] <shawnbon206> oh its becuse its on a fat partition
[6:41] <hifi> yes, fairly normal
[6:42] <shawnbon206> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2013-05-07 <--- lol @ 17:11
[6:42] <shawnbon206> google is awesome
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[7:24] <shawnbon206> whoever maintains mediawiki should be taken out back and shot
[7:24] <shawnbon206> if you dont use --no-install-recommends then you get all kinds of crazy stuff like xorg stuff
[7:25] <shawnbon206> i learned apt-get makes it very easy to reverse such things
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[7:26] <shawnbon206> apt-get purge offender && apt-get autoremove --purge && apt-get install offender --no-install-recommends
[7:27] <shawnbon206> \o/
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[14:09] <diederik> Is there an easy way to find which packages (and versions) are available for each suite (wheezy/jessie), like you can on packages.debian.org?
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[14:14] <diederik> Or at least easier then what I'm doing now, which is download the Packages file for each suite, open it in vim and then search for it. Which should be done everyday to figure out if there are new packages/versions.
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[14:40] <xz81> hello. just a question: how can I know wich service is listening in one port (8080) I am trying to start one service (opensprikler pi) and I have a conflict
[14:40] <Odie_> netstat -anp
[14:40] <Odie_> lsof -n
[14:41] <Odie_> that'll be $1.5
[14:41] <diederik> LOL
[14:41] <Odie_> 1.5€ works too
[14:41] <atouk> the conflict may be your router, some listen on 8080 for remote administration
[14:42] <xz81> thank!
[14:43] <diederik> Odie_: 'netstat -anp' shows all kind of unix sockets, but no TCP ports. What am I missing?
[14:43] <Odie_> if it doesnt show :8080 LISTEN
[14:43] <Odie_> there should not be anything there
[14:43] <Odie_> it shows the proces name only if you are root
[14:44] <Odie_> (and I'm assuming you are talking about your local ports on the box, not some other box)
[14:45] <diederik> I was testing it out on my (normal) pc. And I didn't check my output properly. Sorry!
[14:45] <Odie_> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 110/sshd
[14:45] <Odie_> should show it like that
[14:46] <Odie_> and true, it shows more than what you need generally
[14:47] <diederik> It does indeed. I didn't scroll up enough to see the tcp/tcp6/udp/udp6 listings
[14:47] <Odie_> lsof shows even more :D
[14:47] <diederik> you can say that again :-P
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[14:53] <xz81> you are the best
[14:54] <xz81> I have looked arround for more than 30 minutes
[14:54] <xz81> Odie: if you come to Almeria you will get your $1.5 x10 in beers ;)
[14:54] <Odie_> oki :)
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[15:04] <diederik> hifi: IIRC you had a reason to not install linux-image-rpi-rpfv by default, but I can't remember of figure out why that was
[15:04] <diederik> (wrt to raspbian-ua-netinst)
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[15:15] <hifi> diederik: speed any freedom of choice
[15:16] <hifi> and *
[15:16] <hifi> as you have witnessed, the raspbian kernel isn't perfect
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[15:17] <diederik> ok. But when you set rootfstype to either btrfs or f2fs, then it does get installed.
[15:17] <diederik> And de 'OOTB' kernel is from jessie is actually older then the one from wheezy (afaict)
[15:19] <diederik> the raspbian kernel may not be perfect, but it gets installed either way. Problem is, that not in all instances the same kernel gets installed.
[15:19] <diederik> And when the linux-image-rpi-rpfv package isn't installed, there is no /lib/modules/ present
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[15:21] <hifi> when I first made it only ext4 was supported
[15:22] <diederik> that's true
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[15:23] <hifi> do what you see is the best
[15:23] <diederik> what's the reason update.sh takes jessie as suite? I now know it's needed, since f2fs-tools isn't in wheezy.
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[15:24] <diederik> Ok, then I'm going for consistency. Otherwise 'weird' issues can arise based on the rootfs type chosen.
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[15:25] <hifi> cdebootstrap in wheezy doesn't know jessie
[15:25] <hifi> bit slow typing with my phone
[15:25] <diederik> That is a VERY good reason to take jessie :)
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[15:26] <diederik> np
[15:28] <hifi> not even the jessie package knew itself at the time, plugwash did me a favor by hacking it in then
[15:29] <diederik> I have some more questions, but they can wait. When is it more comfortable for you to answer them?
[15:30] <diederik> Awesome guy, updated the bootloader package 'for me' and will probably also update the kernel :-D
[15:30] <hifi> 30min :)
[15:30] <diederik> Awesome, thanks :)
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[16:02] <hifi> diederik: ok, hit me
[16:06] <diederik> what's the reason the kernel is named 'kernel(_install).img and not the 'standard' name?
[16:08] <diederik> And do you know why the automatic updating of the kernel (link) doesn't work? So you have to do 'cp /vmlinuz /boot/kernel.img' every time?
[16:10] <hifi> to avoid conflicting with the standard name, because it has a special initrd image to boot the installer
[16:10] <diederik> Even though I can commit directly to the repo, I prefer to do it through pull-request, so you can review it. Is that OK with you? I know you can't test the images atm, but you should be able to detect (stupid) mistakes.
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[16:10] <hifi> because plugwash said he's not going to fix it :p
[16:11] <diederik> ok and lol
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[16:15] <diederik> But after the installation is over, especially since I want to install the kernel/firmware package, that needed change can be reverted. Or not? (I have to dive into how to actually do this, but if it's theoretically impossible I can save myself the trouble.)
[16:17] <diederik> And if I have questions about a (commit), I usually add a note to the line I have a question about. Would that work for you (ie do you get notified of it)?
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[16:17] <diederik> That should be it for now ;-)
[16:18] <hifi> kernel_install.img is useful if you want to reinstall
[16:18] <hifi> the renamed config.txt boots with kernel_install.img
[16:18] <hifi> just push to the repo without a pull request
[16:19] <hifi> it's a big hack anyway
[16:19] <diederik> ok, thanks for your answers. Still got lots of studying/experimenting to do, but I should be able to make a few strides forward now :)
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[16:25] <hifi> plugwash said that to fix kernel package installation, you could create a package that changes the post hooks
[16:25] <hifi> and that you can do that in a separate package, not requiring any changes to the actual kernel package
[16:25] <hifi> I'm not familiar with debian well enough to say anything to that
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[16:35] <diederik> I haven't done anything like that before, but I think I know where to start looking.
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[19:39] <osman> Odie_ hello
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[19:45] <Odie_> osman: hi
[19:45] <Odie_> about to hit my bed time :)
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[19:46] <osman> dan it
[19:46] <osman> damn it
[19:46] <Odie_> timezones, funny things
[19:46] <osman> i need to fix it by firdaynight
[19:46] <osman> im really drunk
[19:47] <osman> but ill try to work on it today
[19:47] <Odie_> I considered for a some time to take online video course that was intended for people that would take it after days work in New York
[19:47] <Odie_> the online course would have had live broadcast each weekday for two weeks
[19:47] <Odie_> the problem was that for me it would have been between 2am and 5am
[19:48] <Odie_> like, there isn't worse timing available than that
[19:48] <osman> :(
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