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[1:18] <osman> hello
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[1:41] <osman> anybody on
[1:42] <gnarface> you shouldn't let that stop you from asking the question, osman
[1:42] <osman> hey gnarface hows it going
[1:43] <gnarface> even if nobody is on they can typically still read it when they come back in 6-20 hours and answer it then (if you're still online)
[1:43] <gnarface> that's why most people just stay online actually
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[1:43] <gnarface> how are you doing?
[1:44] <gnarface> did you ever get that spy calculator finished ?
[1:44] <osman> i have 3 days to perfect it
[1:44] <osman> i need to get the screen working
[1:44] <gnarface> that's probably beyond my expertise
[1:45] <osman> i think its an operator error
[1:45] <osman> it might be due to my lack of experience
[1:45] <gnarface> you should try to pastebin relevant error output and such, and describe in detail the actual (mis)behavior you're seeing. like i said, someone may be able to help when they read their scrollback log
[1:46] <gnarface> you'll want to make sure your client is online to get the answer of course though
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[1:46] <gnarface> well, i guess the channel is logged too, so you could just read the logs online probably, but most people won't answer if you're not actually still online
[1:46] <osman> true
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[1:54] <osman> ah wtf
[1:54] <osman> my picam is broken i think
[1:54] <osman> it lights up
[1:54] <osman> then a couple seconds after startup
[1:54] <osman> it turns off
[1:57] <gnarface> osman: did you update the kernel and/or firmware for the pi since the last time it worked?
[1:57] <osman> yea
[1:57] <gnarface> osman: (#1 source of random shit breaking, in my experience. there isn't really a thick QA layer between users and this project)
[1:58] <osman> so how do I fix that :o
[1:58] <osman> one sec
[1:59] <osman> going to reinstall fucking everything
[1:59] <osman> : /
[1:59] <osman> its being a tit
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[8:48] <Smrtz> Hey, I'm trying to make my rPi a network bridge, I'm in the middle of googleing it, but I'd like some pointers before I start barking up the wrong tree...
[8:50] <gnarface> Smrtz: its not fundamentally different from how you'd do it on debian. start with apt-get install bridge-utils
[8:50] <Smrtz> awesome, thanks.
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[8:51] <Smrtz> That's what I was reading, since this is just a debian fork, but I just wanted to make sure.
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[9:14] <jlnr> Hello, I am obviously a Debian noob. What is this directory: http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libs/libsdl2/, is this something that can be installed using a standard procedure? If I can't find libsdl2-dev in apt-get, am I missing some sources?
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[9:14] <jlnr> I already did an apt-get update / dist-upgrade.
[9:16] <jlnr> Oh, never mind, my apt/sources.list is different from the one in the Raspbian wiki. That probably explains it.
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[9:21] <morlenxus> Hi
[9:22] <morlenxus> Every guide describes how to build ioquake from git, but there is already a package in raspbian - isn't it working?
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[9:24] <gnarface> morlenxus: i assume the package in raspbian is working technically but probably not with the necessary patches in the referenced git tree that i assume you're talking about; the patches that provide video acceleration
[9:24] <gnarface> morlenxus: so it probably runs but is too slow to actually play
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[9:25] <morlenxus> gnarface: Good to know, thanks!
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[9:26] <morlenxus> So are the packages generelly build for arm devices, or are they specially build for arm6 (raspberry)?
[9:26] <diederik> arm6 + hardfloat
[9:27] <gnarface> morlenxus: in raspbian they *are* specially built for arm6 with hard float (which neither debian arm is) but sometimes that's not enough
[9:28] <gnarface> morlenxus: almost nothing is built with the hardware acceleration capability for the video card built in by default though
[9:28] <jlnr> Hmm, still no luck. I think libsdl2-dev is still missing from Raspbian, but then what _is_ this? http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libs/libsdl2/
[9:29] <morlenxus> So i wonder, why provide these packages if they wouldn't be useful? Couldn't it save resources to remove them?
[9:29] <gnarface> morlenxus: i don't know.
[9:30] <diederik> jlnr: it's how a debian archive is structured ('internally')
[9:30] <jlnr> So what is this an archive of? Why is there a libsdl2, but not in apt? Is the one on the HTTP server some kind of Debian leftover that is blocked on my Pi?
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[9:31] <diederik> It could be from another suite (f.e. jessie, while you're running wheezy)
[9:33] <diederik> That is indeed likely the case for that package. See https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libsdl2-dev
[9:35] <diederik> Note that that page is not intended/applicable for raspbian, but I use it as an indication for various things
[9:35] <diederik> Most (all?) raspbian packages are essentially debian packages, but recompiled for the RPi
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[9:39] <jlnr> diederik: Thanks
[9:39] <diederik> yw
[9:39] <jlnr> That gave me enough pointers to google around :)
[9:39] <diederik> excellent. Have fun :)
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[10:17] <diederik> anyone here tried using raspbian-ua-netinst with rootfstype of btrfs or f2fs?
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[10:20] <rozie> hello. some time ago I was complaining about journal enabled by default on Raspbian image
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[10:21] <rozie> my flash drive (microsd) died after 4-5 months
[10:22] * diederik feels a question coming ...
[10:22] <rozie> there was journal enabled, swap disabled. syslog writes and transmission daemon running (downloads and partial downloads on HDD, not flash)
[10:22] <rozie> here's another example of journal killing flash drive http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/05/22/another-usb-flash-failure/
[10:23] <rozie> diederik: no, no question. repeated suggestion of changing default to no journal
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> rozie, it's unlikely to ever happen. just blog it and point people to it to get them to change their systems - if they want to. SD cards are cheap.
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> and running torrent full-time is not a usual case for Pi's anyway - you're in the bottom half percent of users...
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> and remove syslog if you never look at the log-files. and if you do, then enable the - option in /etc/syslogd.conf
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> ie. put a - before the filename - that stops syslog doing the fsync operation - you might lose a log line or 2 on a crash, but it vastly reduces SD writes.
[10:30] <diederik> rozie: if you add 'data=writeback' to your fs-options in /etc/fstab I *think* it turns journaling off
[10:31] <rozie> gordonDrogon: I don't belive that torrents were the cause. IIRC it's only resume state written every 15 minutes or so on /var/... the rest was written to the HDD
[10:31] <diederik> apparently not: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1109698&page=3
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[10:33] <rozie> "cards are cheap" is not a valid argument. having problems every few months is bigger PITA than potential problems with FS after power failure (which can be mitigated by UPS)
[10:33] <diederik> anyway, with raspbian-ua-netinst there is a rootfs_mkfs_options option, which allows you to turn journaling off if you want
[10:34] <rozie> I believe image should have sane default for the medium and task it's used. IMHO right now it does not.
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[10:35] <rozie> diederik: disabling journal isn't nothing complicated, assuming you are aware that it's enabled when you write the image to flash
[10:35] <rozie> using netinstall just to do it is IMHO overkill
[10:36] <diederik> are you talking about the image downloaded from raspberrypi.org?
[10:36] <rozie> yes
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[10:37] <diederik> someone correct me if I'm wrong, but although it's named raspbian, I think the raspberrypi foundation creates that image itself. Hence you should make them aware of it.
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[10:37] <rozie> http://www.raspbian.org/ points there as official download place
[10:38] <morlenxus> I suggest nfs netboot, it ends my sdcard issues one and for all.
[10:38] <rozie> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages exactly
[10:38] <diederik> iow the RPi forums are probably a better place for your request
[10:40] <diederik> that page confirm what I said 2 mins ago
[10:40] <diederik> (and is probably where I got that info from)
[10:40] <zGrr> moin :)
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[10:46] <gordonDrogon> it's really not a problem for the majority of users - if it were then 2.5 million people would be complaining to the foundation by now.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> I have Pi's that have been running for 2 years now on the original SD card - still going strong.
[10:48] <diederik> rozie: try to find out whether transmission writes in other places then where the (partial) downloads are stored
[10:59] <rozie> diederik: pointing users to images being part of the project, but not being part of the project... it's like Debian not giving iso and pointing to Ubuntu images instead
[11:00] <diederik> huh?
[11:01] <rozie> "here's download page for our project. you can use this image. but it's not our project image, it's something else"
[11:02] <rozie> diederik: regarding transmission: as I told, fully downloaded files as well as partial download were stored on hdd. there's option for this in config file
[11:02] <diederik> or re-read what I wrote ...
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[11:04] <rozie> so you want me to check, if transmission really uses places defined in config?
[11:04] <rozie> yes it does
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[11:06] <diederik> maybe it writes data in logfiles, which are usually stored in /var/ ... Anyway I don't know transmission, so I can't help you with that. I was just offering suggestions so you could find out why your SD card seems to die so quickly.
[11:07] <diederik> likewise with my suggestion to post your journal-option to the RPi forums, since the ppl making the image you're using are way more likely to read it there then here
[11:08] <diederik> but you are free to state your opinion on it here as much as you want (and as the ops here allow you to)
[11:08] <katr0> Hi, I used raspi-config to expand my filesystem, reboot and the old image was "revealed". is there a best practice to delete my SD mem. card?
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[11:10] <rozie> diederik: got it. just one of the distro shouldn't use name raspbian in this case
[11:17] <hifi> maybe http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller could be updated with more info about raspbian-ua-netinst, it's kinda hidden in the second paragraph
[11:17] <hifi> a lot of people will just click the first link
[11:18] <hifi> just heard about another "let's remove all unecessary packages from raspbian and package it" project
[11:18] <hifi> physical pain I say
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[11:37] <rosapoP> is there a raspian image without gui and wireless stuff?
[11:38] <rozie> rosapoP: seems there are no raspbian (real raspbian, like supported here) images at all ;-)
[11:39] <rozie> rosapoP: but there's netinstaller - so you can install whatever you want
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[12:25] <osman> Odie_
[12:25] <osman> what timezone are you in again
[12:26] <osman> sorry for hounding you by the way
[12:30] <Odie_> +3
[12:30] <Odie_> and usually busy :)
[12:33] <osman> lol
[12:33] <osman> im computer class at the moment :/
[12:33] <osman> i think i destroyed my pi
[12:33] <osman> the picam stopped working
[12:33] <osman> i think it has to do with when i updated kernal
[12:33] <osman> or something
[12:34] <osman> it lights on and boots up on startup
[12:34] <osman> then it stops like 1 minute later
[12:34] <osman> is there a way to fix it to see if that was the cause
[12:34] <osman> should i just reinstall the os
[12:34] <osman> i have 2 days to finish this :(
[12:36] <Odie_> I have no idea what enabling the camera does with raspi-config
[12:36] <Odie_> so have you checked that the camera is still enabled?
[12:37] <osman> i think i did
[12:37] <osman> last night
[12:37] <Odie_> just updating the kernel shouldn't break anything physical
[12:37] <osman> true
[12:38] <osman> ill look into it more
[12:38] <osman> when i get home
[12:38] <osman> everything is failing on me lol
[12:38] <osman> i spent rest of my money on soldering irons
[12:38] <osman> they both dont work on the pi
[12:38] <osman> first one was a shtity butane one
[12:38] <osman> the next one was a plug in one but it still doesnt do the trick
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[12:39] <Odie_> too bulky?
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> you're soldering directly to a Pi?
[12:49] <SirLagz> soldering directly on the Pi is always fun !
[12:50] <osman> im back
[12:50] <osman> srry
[12:50] <osman> i need to desolder the pererperals
[12:50] <osman> like the video input audio and the
[12:50] <osman> ethernet
[12:51] <osman> a lot of tutorials say for atleast the audio and the video you just heat up the pads in a circular motion then you give the componet a pinch
[12:51] <osman> what is the melting temp of the pads
[12:51] <osman> it doesnt seem to be melting them for me
[12:52] <osman> my class is about to end
[12:52] <osman> and i wont have a computer till
[12:52] <osman> three classes later
[12:54] <osman> @gordondrogon
[12:57] <osman> seya guys in a bit andh ave a great day if im not on later :)
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[15:24] <osman> hello
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[16:14] <jitsii> anyone else having problems increasing/decreasing speed in omxplayer?
[16:14] <jitsii> are those functions dependent on the type of media being played?
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[16:21] * verdule needs help with remote login into his RasPi
[16:22] <verdule> Let me think for a moment.
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[16:23] <verdule> Just an hour ago I couldn't remote control my RasPi from my Linux laptop. The RasPi I had on DHCP assigned IP address. I changed it to static.
[16:24] <verdule> Could the way the broadband modem router assigned an IP address to the RasPi have contributed to the problem?
[16:25] <verdule> I want help with using my Linux laptop to remote control my Raspberry Pi!
[16:26] <verdule> Hello anyone?
[16:26] <jitsii> verdule: can you ping it?
[16:27] <verdule> I only tried ssh -X pi@101.164.212.59 and the command line said host not found. ie the laptop couldn't log into the Raspberry Pi.
[16:28] <verdule> Does it matter whether the RasPi's IP address is dynamic or static? Now I have it on static.
[16:28] <jitsii> verdule: from your rpi terminal type ifconfig | grep inet
[16:29] <jitsii> then try to ping the first IP address printed, from your laptop
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[16:29] <verdule> inet addr 101.164.212.59
[16:31] <verdule> okay, i'll try that next time I run both computers. 'cuz I wanna run my RasPi in a headless mode.
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[16:33] <verdule> Let me brief onto another topic: what is the best order to execute the three commands: sync; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
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[16:38] <Odie_> verdule: I thnk the only order they make any sense is apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ; sync
[16:38] <jitsii> ^^
[16:40] <jitsii> usually don't even need to sync after an upgrade.
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[16:41] <jitsii> it might even sync on its own
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[16:45] <verdule> Okay I want to be back to everyone else here. Can y'all recommend a good basic paint app for the Raspberry Pi? Something like in the old school MacPaint tradition (remember that vintage Mac app?)
[16:47] <jitsii> verdule: why not "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade && sync"
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[16:48] <jitsii> ;p
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[16:50] <verdule> Perhaps I should go buy that official book about the Raspberry Pi on Amazon.com one day.
[16:50] <jitsii> verdule: o'reilly's linux would be a better start
[16:51] <jitsii> linux... in a nutshell
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[16:51] <verdule> What about my asking a question about a good paint app for the Raspberry Pi?
[16:51] <jitsii> verdule: apt-cache search paint
[16:51] <verdule> the o'reilly books I find dense and encryptic.
[16:51] <jitsii> verdule: gimp is fun
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[16:53] <verdule> gimp is just too heavyweight for such an ultra low cost computer. leave the gimp to real laptops and desktops
[16:54] <verdule> that are Linuxes
[16:55] <verdule> Some day I might give my Raspberry Pi the single Mac OS X style menubar either in LXDE + Openbox or in Openbox alone.
[16:56] <verdule> Instead of multiple Windows style bars
[16:56] <geoffmcc> i installed mailutils and can get mail on all accounts,except root. anyone have same issue before
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[16:59] <shawnbon206> http://hastebin.com/nofuzulasa.hs can someone who knows /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf very well look this over please. I am having a problem where if i start out on ethernet, and connect to wifi, then unplug ethernet, the wifi connection stops responding
[16:59] <shawnbon206> naturally i was booting it on ethernet then connecting to wifi
[16:59] <Jusii> geoffmcc: root mail is usually forwarded to some other user
[16:59] <Jusii> see /etc/aliases
[16:59] <shawnbon206> if i boot wifi only it works fine
[17:01] <verdule> I'm sorry I'm not yet into wifi on my RasPi.
[17:01] <geoffmcc> Jusii: yeah i checked all known accounts and was not able to locate
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[17:03] <geoffmcc> Jusii: is there a config where i can define who to forward root messages to
[17:03] <verdule> About paint apps: what about putting pinta on my Raspberry Pi? Or will there be too many dependencies? I picked xchat for talking with you folks for its small set of dependencies.
[17:04] <verdule> Sorry but pinta has too much dependency.
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[17:07] <verdule> got gpaint installed but now want uninstall it with no paper trail left behind.
[17:08] <verdule> what's the proper way to uninstall the app?
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[17:13] <verdule> I'm sorry now I have to goto bed. I'm getting tired tonight.
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[17:18] <Jusii> geoffmcc: should be /etc/aliases
[17:18] <Jusii> after edit run newaliases
[17:25] <geoffmcc> Jusii: i noticed that on a new line after i asked. thanks for info
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[19:28] <osman> hey guys
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[20:38] <avd__> hi all
[20:39] <avd__> quick question: is there a command I can use on a fresh install to configure wifi? BTW, the kernel detects the usb wifi dongle ok.
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[21:01] <[Ex0r]> hello
[21:02] <[Ex0r]> is it possible to silence the shutdown process?
[21:02] <avd__> ok.. will startx and try the desktop setup mentioned here: http://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-wifi-on-raspberry-pi/
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[21:16] <osman> hello
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[23:42] <osman> how do i remove everything off the pi
[23:42] <osman> and go back to factory installed settings of the OS
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[23:45] <kradenn> osman: Wipe the sd card and reimage the os onto it
[23:45] <osman> is there an easier way
[23:45] <osman> or nah
[23:46] <kradenn> honestly, I would think that's the easy way. The beauty of keeping everything on the sd card is how easy it is to wipe and restart
[23:46] <kradenn> doing it manually would be a lot more work
[23:46] <KillYourTV> Rewriting the SD card is the easiest/quickest way.
[23:46] <KillYourTV> by far
[23:46] <osman> i dont have raspbian dloaded on my comp
[23:46] <osman> i just plugged the sd card in
[23:46] <osman> im a complete noob
[23:47] <osman> do I have to redownloaded the image
[23:47] <osman> or something else
[23:48] <KillYourTV> yes, in order to re-install it you'd need to download it if you don't already have it.
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[23:50] <osman> i wish i didnt have to do this but its not to bad
[23:50] <osman> i have 3 days to perfect it
[23:50] <osman> or else im kind of fucked
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