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[2:24] <paaau> hey i have a problem with Raspbian. i want to print over usb but my system dont create a /dev/usb/ device... anyone an idea?
[2:25] <paaau> but with dmesg | grep 'usblp' it gives me:
[2:26] <paaau> [ 1228.856547] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
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[6:12] <brotatotes> Hi, my rpi is connected to my router via a network cable. I'm trying to ssh using my mac with little success. I was able to ssh into it with 'ssh pi@192.168.2.2' when the rpi was connect directly to my mac via the network cable. How do I do it when it is connected to the router?
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[8:52] <Halbard> Hi, is there a way to check for latest RPi firmware update without actually updating it if there is one?
[8:54] <shiftplusone> check the commits in the firmware repo
[8:54] <shiftplusone> and compare it to your vcgencmd version or whatever the command is
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[8:56] <subz3r0> hi all
[8:56] <subz3r0> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[8:56] <subz3r0> rpi-update"
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[8:56] <subz3r0> why that?
[8:56] <subz3r0> but nice that the tor package was updates. since in compiled my own before
[8:56] <subz3r0> updated
[8:57] <subz3r0> -n
[8:57] <subz3r0> but whats about the rpi-update? its not signed? why?
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[8:59] <Halbard> shiftplusone: I can't find firmware repo in aptitude.
[8:59] <shiftplusone> aptitude? github
[8:59] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi/firmware
[9:00] <Halbard> oh..I get it now. but the command vcgencmd returns nothing.
[9:01] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd needs a parameter
[9:01] <shiftplusone> try vcgencmd commands
[9:01] <shiftplusone> there should be one with 'version' in it
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[9:02] <Halbard> yes, thats it!
[9:06] <Halbard> thanks shiftplusone!
[9:06] <shiftplusone> np
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[13:50] <Viderizer> can someone help me with the netinst
[13:51] <Viderizer> I downloaded the image and placed in on a sd card with win32dd
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[13:53] <zGrr> moin :)
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[14:19] <Viderizer> can I just add a few values to installer-config.txt
[14:19] <Viderizer> or do I need to include the whole file
[14:20] <shiftplusone> few is fine
[14:23] <Viderizer> ty
[14:23] <Viderizer> installing now, and hoping for the best :D
[14:30] <Viderizer> I noticed that the img has a partition of only 33mb
[14:30] <Viderizer> does it automatically fill the rest of the sdcard when installing
[14:30] <Viderizer> or do I need to do it manually after
[14:30] <Viderizer> if yes, then how?
[14:34] <shiftplusone> is this the uanetinst?
[14:34] <shiftplusone> if so, then it all happens automagically
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[14:43] <Viderizer> shiftplusone: now it booted to a blue-black gradient
[14:43] <Viderizer> and only PWR led on
[14:43] <shiftplusone> blue-black gradient? that's not a thing that I know of.
[14:44] <Viderizer> well, crap
[14:44] <Viderizer> also, yes, I'm using the uanetinst
[14:44] <shiftplusone> In fact, I don't think it's a thing that's a thing.
[14:45] <shiftplusone> there's a multicolour gradient, but it aint black-blue.
[14:45] <shiftplusone> unless you're running it on a black and blue display >.>
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[14:46] <Viderizer> i get the multicolour gradient
[14:46] <Viderizer> but after that
[14:46] <Viderizer> brb uploading pic to imgur
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[14:47] <stuartf> Viderizer: is it this: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/68
[14:49] <Viderizer> yeah!
[14:52] <shiftplusone> crazy
[14:52] <Viderizer> do I need to do that installation again with the correct config.txt
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[14:57] <Viderizer> oh, nvm
[14:57] <Viderizer> ty
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[15:02] <koholint> should I put the microsd card in raspberry pi and install raspbian from another usb stick? or how does it work
[15:03] <koholint> ok, then what happens with the installation files once the operating system is installed?
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[15:03] <koholint> I guess it should be written to the one microsd card
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[15:24] <Viderizer> koholint: if you use the netinstaller, you just put the card in and boot the pi
[15:24] <Viderizer> and it does the rest
[15:24] <Viderizer> I don't know what it does with the installation files though
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[15:26] <Viderizer> next problem for me: my router doesn't recognize the jessie pi
[15:26] <Viderizer> wheezy worked fine :(
[15:26] <Viderizer> and the installer worked fine
[15:29] <koholint> Viderizer: sounds like I should install from a usb memory, I don't want the installation files to be left
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[15:43] <subz3r0> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! @ rpi-update"
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[15:43] <subz3r0> why is this package not signed?
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[17:41] <Viderizer> welp
[17:42] <Viderizer> man gcc --> no man entry for gcc
[17:42] <Viderizer> sudo apt-get install gcc-doc -> Package gcc-doc is not available
[17:42] <Viderizer> running jessie
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> what does apt-cache search doc gcc say?
[17:43] <vagrantc> gcc-doc is in contrib ... does raspbian include contrib?
[17:44] * vagrantc was surprised it wasn't in non-free
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[17:48] <Viderizer> shiftplusone: https://gist.github.com/viderizer/94c28f5680d62c916285
[17:49] <shiftplusone> oh, that's crazy
[17:49] <shiftplusone> raspbian doesn't do contrib
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[17:49] <shiftplusone> so.... hmm
[17:50] * vagrantc presumes you could pull it directly from debian
[17:50] <vagrantc> if it's arch: all
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[17:51] <vagrantc> nope. it's arch dependent for some reason...
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[17:54] <Viderizer> also a question for apt: my /etc/apt/sources.list has two lines:
[17:54] <Viderizer> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian jessie main firmware
[17:54] <Viderizer> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian wheezy main
[17:55] <Viderizer> how does it make apt behave exactly
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> what do you mean?
[17:56] <shiftplusone> ah right
[17:56] * shiftplusone doesn't know what happens when you do silly things in debian.
[17:57] <subz3r0> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! @ rpi-update"
[17:57] <subz3r0> why is this package not signed?
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[18:00] <Viderizer> is it like, if it doesn't the package from the jessie, then get it from wheezy
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[18:10] <JerseyMilker> Hey all
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[18:13] <vagrantc> Viderizer: basically.
[18:13] <JerseyMilker> I'm new to the pi, haven't bought one yet. Was thinking of using it for two things: 1) An IRC bot with text commands for a gaming community, and 2) A server that can run 24/7 and do cron jobs for me (like run a PHP script from my external web server at daily intervals). I assume if my code is lightweight the Pi + Raspbian should be able to do this?
[18:14] <vagrantc> Viderizer: so it will prefer packages from the first entry, and always get the newest version (unless using apt pinning, or experimental, or backports, etc.)
[18:14] <vagrantc> JerseyMilker: sounds feasible.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> JerseyMilker, Should be fine.
[18:15] <JerseyMilker> My second question is, before I buy a Pi, I was hoping to run Raspbian in WMware for OSX... but I guess it doesn't do ARM processor emulation. If I develop an IRC bot on another linux distro, what is involved in running that build on raspbian?
[18:15] <JerseyMilker> Sorry I'm new to linux as well.
[18:15] <JerseyMilker> Btw thx vagrantc gordonDrogon
[18:15] <Viderizer> vagrantc: ty
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> JerseyMilker, It's just Linux. If your other distro is Debian Wheezy then it's more or less the same as Raspbian on a Pi is.
[18:16] <vagrantc> JerseyMilker: from the sounds of what you're planning on doing, nothing sounds hardware specific
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> so you can develop on another PC, then just do the build/make operation on the Pi.
[18:16] <JerseyMilker> No shouldn't be hardware specific vagrantc :)
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> That's how I devleop a lot of my stuff - my desktop is Debian wheezy.
[18:16] <JerseyMilker> What if not debian, say xubuntu?
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> it's probably similar enough.
[18:17] <vagrantc> JerseyMilker: what languages will you be developing in?
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> *buntu is based on Debian. Usually much newer packages though.
[18:17] <JerseyMilker> But I can't build/make on debian and use on rasbian? It needs to be built in rasbian?
[18:17] <vagrantc> depends on when the most recent debian release was, but yeah, on average, ubuntu usually has newer versions.
[18:25] <Stanto> JerseyMilker what language are you writing the IRC bot in ?
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[18:26] <Stanto> Easiest solution's probably to use a pre-packaged IRC bot like irccat and customise it with scripts
[18:26] <JerseyMilker> A friend uses this... https://www.meebey.net/projects/smartirc4net/
[18:27] <JerseyMilker> But I could care less
[18:27] <JerseyMilker> I'm more concerned about server
[18:27] <JerseyMilker> So whatever is best and easiest for raspbian :)
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[18:29] <JerseyMilker> IRCcat looks pretty cool
[18:29] <JerseyMilker> Can it listen for commands in a channel to trigger output?
[18:29] <JerseyMilker> Or rather, can I write a script for that?
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[18:29] <JerseyMilker> irccat questions on #raspbian (srry) :P
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[18:35] <JerseyMilker> Nevermind yes
[18:35] <JerseyMilker> I like irccat, looks simple
[18:35] <JerseyMilker> Thx for recommendation
[18:36] <JerseyMilker> .player JerseyMilker
[18:36] <JerseyMilker> Oops wrong channel
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> JerseyMilker, sorry - was AFK - you can cross compile for the Pi, but if it's something like PHP, then it's interpreted, so makes no difference. I compile C directly on the Pi.
[18:46] <JerseyMilker> I'm also looking at http://wildphp.com
[18:46] <JerseyMilker> Since I am a PHP dev, maybe this is good solution
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[18:48] <JerseyMilker> Yeah makes sense gordon
[18:48] <JerseyMilker> I have done a tiny bit of java and C++
[18:48] <JerseyMilker> But I'm such a newb, since I am web dev
[18:48] <JerseyMilker> Very comfortable in PHP though
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[18:54] <buscio> any recommendations for usb audio cards for use with the Rpi?
[18:55] <buscio> They most likely would be powered usb cards, so they should be in /dev/ if plugged in...
[18:56] <buscio> maybe the third revision of the Rpi would allow wireless input devices that go through a powered usb switch to function...
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[18:57] <buscio> my usb on rpi is #ghettofied
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> buscio, the B+ has much more USB power capacity - providing you use a 2 amp PSU.
[18:59] <buscio> does it recongnize a wireless keyboard or mouse going through a (powered) usb hub?
[19:02] <buscio> by ghettofied I mean, There is a powered usb hub which hosts one 2TB drive as well as usb sticks - on one usb slot of the pi. The second has an apple keyboard which has 2 usb slots (I'm guessing aren't powered) that have a wireless keyboard and mouse in.
[19:03] <buscio> if the input devices get switched to the usb hub on slot 1 they aren't recognized
[19:03] <buscio> drives are a bit different
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> I've only used one USB hub and it worked ok for me - who knows...
[19:04] <buscio> I heard powered hubs are better for usb 3.0 and 3.1 for data rates, but... The pi doesn't have anything above 2.0
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> no - 2.0 only here...
[19:09] <buscio> anyone else have trouble with youtube-dl yesterday?
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[19:12] <buscio> mpsyt has been having issues for a while too
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[19:14] <l_r> hello
[19:14] <buscio> gordonDrogon: is distcc what you use for sharing cycles between clusters of rpis for compiling?
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> buscio, no. I don't use multiple Pi's for compiling. My biggest project only takes 3 minutes to compile on the rare times I compile from scratch (30K lines of C)
[19:16] <buscio> I guess compiling a kernel for the rpi would be a quick job aswell
[19:17] <buscio> but if you were running gentoo on a raspberry pi, maybe then?
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I've never run Gentoo.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I did compile a kernel ones - took 2 hours.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> but I'd stripped everything out of it I wan't interested in.
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I basically did the full LAMP stack - kernel, apache, mysql & php. Took the best part of 10 hours IIRC. Nearly 2 years ago now!
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[19:53] <Viderizer> uhh
[19:54] <Viderizer> debian's alternatives-system is kind of confusing
[19:54] <vagrantc> it has it's oddities...
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[19:55] <Viderizer> /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.basic
[19:58] <Viderizer> i don't even
[20:03] <Viderizer> why should there even be alternatives for vim or vi
[20:06] <q-bert_> i believe some builds of vim use less memory
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> there is a vim-tiny
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> that's often installed by default.
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[20:41] <vagrantc> which is an alternative for vi, but not for vim
[20:42] <vagrantc> also, vim actually behaves differently than vi, and when vim is invoked as vi, behaves differently than when invoked as vim. enjoy.
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[21:08] <diederik> I've just released v1.0.3 of the raspbian-ua-netinst project, which (amongst others) fixes the boot issue.
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[21:55] <Viderizer> diederik: nice
[21:56] <diederik> thanks
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[22:31] <Bensocket> Hi
[22:32] <Viderizer> hi
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[22:50] <Viderizer> ey guys
[22:50] <Viderizer> sensible-utils which is installed in the server preset for unetinst
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[22:51] <Viderizer> uses gettext, which is not installed by default
[22:54] <diederik> Viderizer: how did you use sensible-utils?
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[22:57] <Viderizer> diederik: select-editor
[22:58] <diederik> that command is not available on my system
[22:58] <diederik> (I've just installed a fresh system with raspbian-ua-netinst, but I did have vim in my package list)
[22:58] <Viderizer> o.O
[22:59] <Viderizer> i definitely didn't install it separately, and I doubt it is a dependency to anything
[22:59] <Viderizer> my system is about 6 hours old :<
[23:00] <diederik> I do have it on my 'normal' debian system and 'dpkg -S select-editor' does indeed specify sensible-utils as the source ...
[23:01] <diederik> my system is 2 hours old, using version 1.0.3 of the installer ... although that shouldn't make a difference
[23:02] <Viderizer> weird
[23:02] <vagrantc> so, what's the issue?
[23:02] <diederik> indeed
[23:03] <diederik> did you install wheezy or jessie?
[23:03] <vagrantc> sensible-utils uses gettext without a dependency or recommends?
[23:03] <Viderizer> i installed jessie
[23:03] <diederik> ah, I installed wheezy
[23:03] <Viderizer> vagrantc: sensible-utils works fine, but it shows a few errors when you run select-editor
[23:04] <Viderizer> gettext is just for localization so it doesn't really affect the program itself
[23:04] <diederik> what does 'apt-cache show sensible-utils' give you? (pastebin it)
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[23:04] <vagrantc> Viderizer: yeah, i see the bug
[23:05] <vagrantc> Viderizer: file a bug on sensible-utils
[23:05] <Viderizer> diederik: https://gist.github.com/viderizer/b39c11d2cfbf8cf31493
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[23:06] <vagrantc> Viderizer: you must have the jessie version of sensible-utils?
[23:06] <Viderizer> vagrantc: yeah
[23:06] <diederik> I have version 0.0.7 and 'select-editor' was added in 0.0.8. See http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/sensible-utils/sensible-utils_0.0.9_changelog
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[23:08] <vagrantc> Viderizer: but please do file a bug on it, it should at least recommends gettext.
[23:08] <diederik> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728612
[23:09] <stego> hey, just wanted to drop in to say thank you for your effort!
[23:11] <Viderizer> diederik: that probably means I don't need to effort in making a bug report :<
[23:12] <vagrantc> unless you want it to actually get fixed...
[23:12] <vagrantc> looks like it wouldn't be hard to more gracefully handle missing gettext
[23:12] <diederik> Viderizer: nope. You could add a 'me too' msg or sth like that to that one, but a new bug wouldn't be useful
[23:13] <vagrantc> yeah, a "me too" wouldn't be so useful unless it was disputed weather it was a real issue
[23:13] <vagrantc> or, of course, if you add meaningful content
[23:13] * vagrantc might try and file a patch
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[23:16] <diederik> stego: yw! (if it was targetted at me)
[23:17] <stego> of course :)
[23:17] <diederik> :)
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[23:18] <stego> in fact, i'm connected through irssi in a tmux session on the raspi b+ running on raspbian. i was just reading through the documentation..
[23:19] <Viderizer> irssi master race
[23:19] <Viderizer> tmux master race
[23:19] <Viderizer> also, the raspi b+ is already available? :o
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[23:20] <diederik> so it works on a model b+ as well? I've read that you'd need an updated firmware for the usb/ethernet connection to work ...
[23:20] <stego> works flawlessly right here!
[23:21] <Viderizer> well that is good news :D
[23:21] <diederik> awesome :)
[23:22] <diederik> then maybe it's caused by the kernel. The installer uses 3.10, while 3.12 is used mostly now (I had issues when testing the 3.12 with the installer)
[23:22] <stego> i got that b+ the morning it was announced, it shipped yesterday. where did you hear about the problems?
[23:22] <stego> yeah, i'm on 3.12.24+
[23:22] <diederik> on the raspberrypi forums
[23:23] <diederik> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=81947
[23:25] <Viderizer> diederik: what by the way happens to the installation files when the installation is complete
[23:25] <diederik> they're mostly stored in /boot/
[23:25] <Viderizer> it doesn't matter to me, just curious :p
[23:26] <Viderizer> also, did I interpet correctly, that the installer is a jessie debian
[23:27] <diederik> the installer is indeed created from the jessie repo
[23:30] <diederik> to support f2fs, f2fs-tools is needed which is not available on wheezy
[23:32] <Viderizer> aaah, there's a neat shiny gcc-4.9 on the jessie repos :3
[23:33] <Viderizer> I'm kind of sad that clang is catching up to gcc
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