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[0:05] <diederik> Hi! I can't see what's wrong with the following code: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L123
[0:05] <diederik> when there are multiple files, I get the error "sh:/boot/raspbian-ua-netinst-<datetime>.log: unknown operand
[0:07] <shiftplusone> are wildcards valid in conditional expressions like that?
[0:08] <diederik> you mean in line 122?
[0:08] <shiftplusone> aye
[0:09] <diederik> apparently, didn't know it myself, but a (quick) test turned out to be the case
[0:09] <shiftplusone> cool
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[0:09] <diederik> although that is in bash/dash and the execution environment is busybox
[0:10] <diederik> but maybe you're right. Dunno why else it would fail
[0:10] <diederik> when there's only 1 file to copy, I don't see the error. But if there are multiple, then I get that error on (what's most likely) the 2nd file
[0:13] <shiftplusone> shouldn't be hard to check
[0:15] <diederik> please do tell, because I seem to be missing it ...
[0:15] <shiftplusone> make a small test case and run it with busybox and with bash
[0:16] <diederik> ah wait! I think I know (now) how to test with busybox :)
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[0:17] <shiftplusone> in 'busybox sh'
[0:18] <shiftplusone> might work as a hashbang
[0:21] <diederik> with 'busybox sh': unknown operand
[0:22] <diederik> with 'bash': line 2: [: too many arguments
[0:22] <shiftplusone> aye, so I suppose it expands to -f all the files, which isn't valid
[0:23] <diederik> http://paste.debian.net/110879/
[0:23] <diederik> I changed 'bash' for 'busybox sh' to test the 2 scenarios
[0:24] <diederik> ah ok, so the error is in the if statement?
[0:24] <shiftplusone> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6363441/check-if-a-file-exists-with-wildcard-in-shell-script
[0:24] <shiftplusone> that would be my guess, yes.
[0:25] <diederik> thanks!
[0:25] <shiftplusone> np
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[0:34] <diederik> http://paste.debian.net/110880/ <- this works
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[0:35] <diederik> but if I put a [ after the if and a ] before the ; it doesn't work ...
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[0:39] <shiftplusone> then it becomes a conditional expression, check man test
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[0:41] <diederik> will do. thanks for the pointer :)
[0:41] <shiftplusone> np
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[6:08] <toedwy> Is it best practice to put my python scripts in the cgi-bin folder?
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[9:33] <go-home> sup
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[9:39] <go-home_> sup again. not a good idea to request a /list in the webchat client
[9:40] <go-home_> im looking for a php related chan
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[9:42] <go-home_> soo anyway, relevant to raspbian is thath the php5-fpm package is bugged
[9:44] <go-home_> i configured it to use (only)a unix socket, /var/run/php5-fpm.sock , it it gets root.root ownership, it ignores the user= and group= , listen.user= and listen.group= configuration options
[9:45] <go-home_> obviously with the root.root ownership (and filemask 660) only root can access it, if i manually change it to www-data.www-data then nginx can access it fine, but a php5-fpm restart will revert it back to root.
[9:45] <go-home_> sucks, so now i'll have to add a chown to the init script or something ugly
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> is this raspbian specific or applicable to debian wheezy too?
[9:54] <go-home_> hi gordonDrogon, im using raspbian, raspbmc but it has a raspbian repository
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[9:55] <go-home_> i had a working setup about a month ago, installed php updates and it got broken.
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> not an area I know a lot in - just wondering if you might get more information on it on some more debian related places than here.
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> and I've not used a debian php myself - I always compile apache+php from sources for my systems
[10:07] <go-home_> ic, ty. yeah this is a new setup for me too, but a very nice combo on a pi.
[10:08] <go-home_> nginx is very tiny and super efficient. starting to become a fanboy now.
[10:09] <diederik> go-home_: starting up a vm with nginx and php5-fpm (iirc) ...
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> I'll need to find time to look at it one day - sticking to apache for now - mostly because I've been using it for donkeys years.
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[10:11] <go-home_> diederik: cool
[10:12] <diederik> it's working fine on my vm. www-data own /var/run/php5-fpm.sock
[10:12] <diederik> this is 'normal' debian though, but I highly doubt that makes a difference
[10:12] <go-home_> diederik: my version is : php5-fpm 5.4.4-14+deb7u12
[10:13] <go-home_> do you have the same one ?
[10:13] <diederik> 5.5.12+dfsg-2
[10:13] <go-home_> yeah i want thath one too
[10:14] <diederik> where/how did you configure the unix socket?
[10:14] <go-home_> there was a security big fixed where the filemask on the socket was 666. this has been fixed into 660, but now i notice it wont change ownership
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[10:16] <go-home_> diederik: i'll get the configu next, but one side question,
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[10:16] <go-home_> do you know if i can downgrade to the previous php version somehow ?
[10:16] <diederik> pastebin 'apt-cache policy php5-fpm'
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[10:17] <diederik> but I highly doubt the security bug fix is the cause of your issue
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[10:18] <diederik> ls -l /var/run/php5-fpm.sock
[10:18] <diederik> srw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 22 12:08 /var/run/php5-fpm.sock
[10:18] <diederik> so it's 660 on my system too
[10:20] <go-home_> in my /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/www.conf i have user = www-data group = www-data listen.owner = www-data listen.group = www-data listen.mode = 0660
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[10:21] <go-home_> but my permissions of the socket are: srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jul 21 13:05 /var/run/php5-fpm.sock
[10:22] <diederik> it's the same in my www.conf
[10:22] <go-home_> but i got a few more vhost.conf in the pool.d perhaps i got a conflict of settings
[10:22] <diederik> I only have www.conf (and only 1 site)
[10:22] <go-home_> but still its anoying thath the problem arised after a php update
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[10:24] <diederik> I can understand, but you probably had a security risk before, so I'm not sure it's a bad thing
[10:24] <go-home_> true, ánd i can chown it in the init script for now.
[10:26] <diederik> I'd advice you not to. There's VERY likely a problem somewhere else and by chown things (or another hack) you're just masking it.
[10:26] <go-home_> hey diederik it work already
[10:26] <diederik> awesome :)
[10:26] <go-home_> thanks for your comparisations
[10:26] <diederik> yw
[10:27] <go-home_> i disabled the vhost-config files, and teh rights and owner are www-data now
[10:27] <diederik> so now you can figure out which of those files is causing the issue (if you care)
[10:28] <go-home_> so me goes back into the manuals. ;) yeah, i want this setup to work, its gonne be beatiful
[10:28] <go-home_> thanks diederik , your awesome. kudo's +1
[10:28] <diederik> :)
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[10:57] <diederik> I want to install libraspberrypi-bin from the raspbian (not raspberrypi.org) archives and 'apt-cache policy' is showing this output: http://paste.debian.net/110952/
[10:58] <diederik> How do I get to install raspbian's package without creating an apt preferences file?
[10:59] <diederik> this command 'apt-get install libraspberrypi-bin libraspberrypi0 -o origin=mirrordirector.raspbian.org -s' (still) does not do what I want
[11:00] <diederik> this does work 'apt-get install libraspberrypi-bin=1.20140618-1~nokernel1 libraspberrypi0=1.20140618-1~nokernel1' but it would be absolete once a new version hits the archives
[11:01] <diederik> s/absolete/obsolete
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[11:23] <go-home_> diederik: apt-get install libraspberrypi-bin=20140618-1~nokernel1
[11:23] <go-home_> erm, you got thath part already.. nm
[11:26] <diederik> yep, thanks for the effort though :)
[11:32] <go-home_> apt-mark hold package_name
[11:37] <go-home_> diederik: found it here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[11:37] <go-home_> i like to say something smart on 1337 time
[11:37] <diederik> haha!
[11:38] <diederik> it doesn't solve my issue though, since I don't want to prevent an upgrade (that's what hold does), but install a package which (unfortunately) is named the same in 2 distributions
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[11:39] <go-home_> so comment the repos you dont want out in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:40] <diederik> it looks like I indeed need to go that way :-/
[11:40] <diederik> but it would add considerable time to the installation process
[11:41] <go-home_> i see, you want a oneliner. maybe with dpkg -i ?
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[11:42] <go-home_> but the apt method would be nicer to handle the deps for you.
[11:42] <diederik> I indeed want a oneliner. I don't know of a dpkg command which would do it (-i is for installing a manually downloaded deb file)
[11:43] <go-home_> hey, but why does it not work ? --> #apt-get install libraspberrypi-bin=20140618-1~nokernel1
[11:43] <diederik> and I'm pretty sure it is possible with a construct like ' -o release::a=stable', but haven't found the one yet
[11:43] <go-home_> maybe because the ~ needs to be escaped ?
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[11:45] <diederik> no, you forgot the '1.' before the date part
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[11:48] <go-home_> maybe this works ? #apt-get install -t wheezy/firmware libraspberrypi-bin
[11:48] <go-home_> the -t flag to specify teh repo
[11:49] <diederik> E: The value 'wheezy/firmware' is invalid for APT::Default-Release
[11:51] <go-home_> diederik: http://askubuntu.com/questions/27362/how-to-only-install-updates-from-a-specific-repository , perhaps your slash in sources.list is bad ?
[11:51] <go-home_> but it should be possible like that
[11:52] <go-home_> anywahs, im in a debian learning curve atm, im a redhat man, i better step back now
[11:52] <diederik> thank for you efforts, much appreciated :)
[11:53] <diederik> s/you/your/
[11:56] <go-home_> soo close, it should be #apt-get install -t firmware libraspberrypi-bin
[11:56] <go-home_> anyways, gl and hf
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[16:29] <zaggynl> uh, stupid question: what's the name of the openssh-server package on raspbian?
[16:30] <zaggynl> I'm trying to reconfigure it but I end up with: usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: openssh-server is not installed
[16:31] <diederik> openssh-server
[16:31] <zaggynl> weird, it is installed, I'm logged in, why does dpkg-reconfigure thing it's not installed?
[16:31] <zaggynl> *think
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> it's openssh-server
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> although there's not a lot to reconfigure iirc. I just edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[16:32] <zaggynl> I'm trying to regenerate the rsa keys
[16:33] <diederik> and I just tried 'dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server' and it looks like it only restarted it
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> reconfigure will just restart sshd.
[16:33] * gordonDrogon nods.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-regenerate-openssh-host-keys/
[16:33] <zaggynl> yeah I was just reading that
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> that ought to do it - delete the current ones, then run reconfigure.
[16:34] <zaggynl> done and done
[16:34] <zaggynl> but then reconfigure says: no openssh-server installed
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> dpkg -l | grep ssh
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> to check?
[16:34] <zaggynl> nothing
[16:35] <zaggynl> I did had some filesystem corruption not long ago
[16:35] <zaggynl> dpkg's list might have gone missing?
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[16:36] <zaggynl> there is stuff in dpkg --get-selections
[16:36] <diederik> do 'ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status'
[16:36] <zaggynl> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269636 Jul 21 12:58 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:36] <diederik> that seems ok
[16:37] <zaggynl> I wonder what happens if I try to install openssh-server
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[16:38] <zaggynl> ah, dependency hell
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[16:38] <zaggynl> dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: Cannot allocate memory
[16:38] <zaggynl> on apt-get install -f
[16:39] <diederik> df -h
[16:39] <zaggynl> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:39] <zaggynl> rootfs 15G 9.1G 4.8G 66% /
[16:39] <zaggynl> /dev/root 15G 9.1G 4.8G 66% /
[16:39] <zaggynl> devtmpfs 88M 0 88M 0% /dev
[16:39] <zaggynl> tmpfs 19M 572K 18M 4% /run
[16:39] <zaggynl> tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock
[16:39] <zaggynl> tmpfs 37M 0 37M 0% /run/shm
[16:39] <zaggynl> /dev/mmcblk0p1 56M 9.5M 47M 17% /boot
[16:39] <diederik> free -h
[16:39] <zaggynl> total used free shared buffers cached
[16:39] <zaggynl> Mem: 183M 86M 97M 0B 9.5M 45M
[16:39] <zaggynl> -/+ buffers/cache: 31M 152M
[16:39] <zaggynl> Swap: 0B 0B 0B
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[16:40] <diederik> hmm, seems to be ok (model A?)
[16:41] <zaggynl> B
[16:41] <zaggynl> low memory one though
[16:41] <diederik> you've allocated a lot of memory to the GPU then? I have 437M total
[16:41] <diederik> ah ok, got it
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[16:42] <zaggynl> on the forums I was adviced to create a temporary swap file
[16:42] <zaggynl> not sure if that's a good idea on sd card though
[16:42] <diederik> can you pastebin the output of 'apt-get install openssh-server'?
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[16:43] <zaggynl> yes
[16:43] <diederik> seems sth else is wrong since 'free -h' shows enough memory available
[16:44] <zaggynl> running dd now, kinda slow atm
[16:44] <diederik> you're dd-ing ... what?
[16:44] <zaggynl> creating a swap file
[16:44] <diederik> ok
[16:45] <zaggynl> http://pastebin.com/2ZG6Pdwn
[16:46] <zaggynl> with swap it continues, weird
[16:46] <diederik> that's better then your current situation :-P
[16:47] <zaggynl> getting somewhere
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[17:15] <zaggynl> I did a fsck by sudo shutdown -F -r now
[17:15] <zaggynl> nothing in /var/log/fsck/checkfs
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[17:18] <zaggynl> I could've sworn the file said something more than "nothing logged yet :)" just a few second ago
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[17:18] <zaggynl> wrong system
[17:20] <zaggynl> http://pastebin.com/sTP88Rbn on the rasp
[17:22] <diederik> don't see any errors
[17:26] <zaggynl> There was an error running option I1 Change Locale
[17:26] <zaggynl> beh, I think I'
[17:26] <zaggynl> ll just wait until I get my hands on a new sd card
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[17:53] <hxla> Hello, I've installed raspbian on my pi, changed some configurations and removed some packages i won't need, now I'd like to backup it, I've tried with dd but it creates an image from the size of the sd not only the used space, is there a way to create an image of just the used space? Thanks
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[17:55] <lud> hxla, that would break it
[17:55] <lud> most probablt
[17:55] <lud> probably*
[17:56] <hxla> Hmm... Is there a way i could reduce it then, otherwise won't fit in smallers SDs
[17:57] <hxla> How is the raspbian image created? It's in a perfect size
[17:59] <ppq> hxla, reduce the size of the filesystem and the partition. then you can zero over the free space of the sd-card. then you create an image with dd, using parameters "bs" and "count", make it a little larger than the partition size.
[18:00] <ppq> you should do the shrinking offline, that is, on a computer (with linux) with a card reader
[18:00] <ppq> i'm not sure if online shrinking is possible at all
[18:00] <hxla> How do i put zeros on the free space?
[18:01] <ppq> hxla, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx with the parameters "seek"
[18:01] <hxla> Thats ok... I currently have a full size image, is there a way to shrink that image?
[18:01] <ppq> you should be very careful, one tiny mistake will wipe your card, or even the HD of your computer if you are not careful
[18:02] <hxla> Or its better to shrink the sd card?
[18:02] <hxla> That's OK, I've used dd before
[18:02] <ppq> hxla, you can try to compress it, with gzip or something. but there might be some data rubbish (from "free space" that was formerly used on the sd) included in the image
[18:02] <hxla> You've shrink with parted or some similar?
[18:03] <ppq> yes, parted can do that
[18:03] <hxla> Just compress won't solve.. As it won't fit in smaller SD when uncompressed
[18:03] <ppq> but remember to shrink the filesystem, too, using resize2fs
[18:04] <hxla> Oh ok
[18:04] <hxla> Then first resize2fs to shrink the fs, then shrink the partition, then zeroing the free space, and finally dd, right?
[18:05] <ppq> maybe parted even shrinks the filesystem, i'm not sure, better check
[18:05] <ppq> yes
[18:05] <hxla> Ok thanks
[18:06] <ppq> a much simpler approach is to backup partitions one by one
[18:06] <hxla> And when zeroing the free space with dd, is better to use a value a little bigger in the seek parameter right?
[18:06] <ppq> and the partition table, in the first 448 (or something) byte
[18:06] <ppq> then you don't have to worry about junk in the "free space"
[18:07] <ppq> hxla, right
[18:07] <hxla> Hum... Its easier to backup each partition.. But it would make two different images
[18:09] <ppq> if you have the partition images AND the partition table, you can just concatenate them together to get a complete image
[18:10] <hxla> Interacting... But how would i concatenate?
[18:11] <ppq> with dd and seek, again
[18:11] <Odie_> what kind of backup you want? how about just use dump/restore?
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> goodness! Not heard of anyone using dump/restore for a long time now ...
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> you'll be using amanda next ...
[18:12] <hxla> I've made some customization.. Just want to send this image to others sd
[18:12] <Odie_> my machine doesnt even have manual page for those :(
[18:13] <Odie_> any tool that knows how to copy files with permissions/special files should do
[18:13] <leio> there is no seek command; seek is an option to dd
[18:13] <Odie_> you'll just need to restore it in a computer that allows you to plug in the sdcard and format the filesystems
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[18:18] <hxla> Hmm I'll check both methods
[18:18] <hxla> Thanks for the help guys
[18:22] <Odie_> gordonDrogon: whats the modern way for doing full filesystem backup? that amanda thingy?
[18:26] <ppq> full backups? dumpe2fs
[18:27] <ppq> err
[18:27] <ppq> what was it called..
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> Odie_, amanda is very old - it uses tar or dump to make it's 'tapes'. These days I use rsync.
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> ppq, dump2fs is a diagnostic tool, not a filesystem copy tool...
[18:32] <Odie_> it has no issues with special files (fifos etc), hard or soft links?
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> rsync can cope, yes.
[18:32] <ppq> gordonDrogon, yes, got things mixed up
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> although I got into the habit of separating OS and data a long time ago, so restoring from scratch would involve rebuilding the system from CD/Net/etc. then restoring the data - which included copies of various package lists, config files, etc.
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[20:04] <Viderizer> is there some good guide on linux file permissions
[20:05] <Viderizer> I understand the general concept, but how do the file's folder permissions affect it
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> folder permissions won't affect a files permissions - for the most part.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> but folder permissions may prevent a file being created or deleted
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> then it gets complicated..
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[21:34] <diederik> I asked this question about 11 hours ago, but maybe the crowd has changed and now maybe someone does know the answer:
[21:35] <diederik> I want to install libraspberrypi-bin from the raspbian (not raspberrypi.org) archives and 'apt-cache policy' is showing this output: http://paste.debian.net/110952/
[21:35] <diederik> How do I get to install raspbian's package without creating an apt preferences file?
[21:35] <diederik> this command 'apt-get install libraspberrypi-bin libraspberrypi0 -o origin=mirrordirector.raspbian.org -s' (still) does not do what I want
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[21:36] <gordonDrogon> I don't understand the difference between raspbian and the foundation - aren't they both the same?
[21:37] <diederik> Given the name you'd think that, but the rpf package would uninstall raspbian-bootloader-nokernel
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I have libraspberrypi-bin installed on my Pi's but it just came with the default system.
[21:39] <diederik> and that would be the rpf one, but I want the raspbian one, since it's better integrated (imo)
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> is it? I'm somewhat confused - raspbian is maintained by plugwash, etc. for the foundation. at least that's my understanding.
[21:42] <plugwash> people get some funny ideas
[21:42] <diederik> lol
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> who knows...
[21:43] <plugwash> raspbian is a project by mike and myself to rebuild debian for armv6 hardfloat targeted primerally but not exclusively at the raspberry pi (we have also had it running on the via APC but lack of any support or interest from via meant we couldn't really offer an especially good setup)
[21:45] <plugwash> the raspberry pi foundation take raspbian, add their own bits on top of it and release images, irritatingly they don't do a particually good job of maintaining the distiction between raspbian itself and the bits they build on top of raspbian and include in their images
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> so is http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ yours or the foundations?
[21:46] <plugwash> ours
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> right. that's what's in my sources.list.
[21:47] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, now look in sources.list.d
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: cat raspi.list
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main
[21:48] <plugwash> that's the raspberry pi foundation's repository
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> a-ha.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> so I suspect their packages supersede yours then..
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[21:49] <rosapoP> what is the parts added by the foundation?
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[21:50] <diederik> as far as packages is concerned, see the first post, 2nd bullet item of https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/64
[21:51] <plugwash> diederik, any particular reason you don't want to create an apt preferences file? afaict that is the correct way to handle the situation you have..
[21:52] <diederik> because I'm afraid that would affect the behaviour of the installer (see last post in that issue)
[21:53] <diederik> And I thought there was a way to use the pin-part of the preferences file, but straight on the commandline (therefor only affecting that invocation)
[21:53] <plugwash> there may well be but you probablly want it to be permanent anyway
[21:54] <diederik> because ... and in general or only that package?
[21:54] <plugwash> otherwise next time the user runs dist-upgrade it will probablly decide to replace raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel with raspberrypi-bootloader
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[21:54] <plugwash> so it can upgrade libraspberrypi*
[21:55] <diederik> ah, I did test it with safe-upgrade (aptitude) and that didn't upgrade it. But haven't tried dist/full upgrade.
[21:55] <diederik> Now that you mention it and having thought about it some more, a preference file for that package looks like a good compromize
[21:58] <plugwash> you probablly want your preferences file to cover libraspberrypi-dev and libraspberrypi-doc as well
[21:59] <plugwash> so the user gets a consistent set if they want to add those packages to their install later
[21:59] <diederik> good point, thanks.
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[22:02] <plugwash> rosapoP, various stuff, their kernel/firmware packaging, raspi-copies-and-fills, rpi-update, fbturbo, oracle java, mathematica, wayland, an updated scratch
[22:03] <plugwash> probablly more, I don't keep an exact list
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[22:57] <diederik> aptitude search '?narrow(!~v, !?origin(raspbian))'
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