#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-30

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[3:55] <b4tm4n> i'm trying to get raspbian running on a b+, when i power on the pi nothing ever happens
[3:55] <b4tm4n> the ACT led flashes once then stays off
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[3:58] <plugwash> hmm, odd
[3:59] <plugwash> what image are you using? how exactly did you put it on the card? do you get anything on the screen?
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[4:11] <b4tm4n> nothing on the screen - latest raspbian image flashed using win32 program recommended from raspberrypi.org
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[5:27] <bosnjak> hi all
[5:27] <bosnjak> does raspbian have "man hier" that shows hierarchy information?
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[6:47] <gordonDrogon> bosnjak, yes.
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[6:48] <bosnjak> gordonDrogon: cool, thanks :)
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[6:51] <gordonDrogon> bosnjak, it's more or less Debian wheezy, so if it works on Wheezy it'll work on the Pi...
[6:52] <bosnjak> gordonDrogon: i see. thanks
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[9:35] <zGrr> moin :)
[9:36] <FooDeas> moin
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[9:56] <DrivenMad> hi everyone :)
[9:58] <zGrr> Hi DrivenMad :)
[9:58] <DrivenMad> Thx for the links the other day :) @gordonDrogon OMG Node-Red :)
[9:59] <DrivenMad> hi zGrr
[9:59] <DrivenMad> super stoked.. got my Picherry busted... :)
[10:00] <DrivenMad> have been playing with raspbian , and figuring out interfacing with devices.....
[10:01] <DrivenMad> **---RaspberryPi---** FTW :)
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[10:07] <FooDeas> Overcharged GPIOs?
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[10:18] <gordonDrogon> DrivenMad, node red ?
[10:21] <DrivenMad> IBM linked you on a article.. I jumped back in here because i ended up on a link you sent the other day :)
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> ok. ibm links to me? neat :)
[10:22] <DrivenMad> http://nodered.org/
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> never seen that before.
[10:23] <DrivenMad> You should look into that .. :)
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> why?
[10:24] <DrivenMad> have you used it??
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> no.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> don't really have a need.
[10:26] <DrivenMad> ok kewl :)
[10:27] <DrivenMad> my most exciting screen of the say http://imgur.com/wfVhYwV
[10:28] <DrivenMad> day .. lol
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> ah, the new readall output :)
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[13:59] <ek0n> hi all. I'm trying to update the raspbian linux-3.12-1 source package to the latest RPi Foundation 3.12.y kernel version but so far I'm stuck creating the patch files using git format patch. Can anyone help?
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[17:13] <MrPigBearMan> hello there I seem to be running into issues with the mirrors is anyone else having issues ?
[17:13] <MrPigBearMan> like I can not install or upgrade ect
[17:13] <MrPigBearMan> just hangs and says
[17:14] <MrPigBearMan> 0% [Connecting to mirrordirector.raspbian.org (2001:41c9:1:3ce::11)]
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[17:22] <pft> Do you have ipv6 configured?
[17:22] <pft> can you ping that host via ipv6 successfully?
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> it's ping6's ok for me FWIW..
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> although I use archive.raspbian.org in my /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> (which is also on IPv6 and works fine)
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[17:45] <MrPigBearMan> thanks all
[17:45] <MrPigBearMan> seems to have worked itsself out after looking into that.;
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> maybe just an ipv6 routing issue somewhere..
[17:50] <plugwash> yeah, IPv6 routing can be a bit shaky :(
[17:51] * plugwash wonders if he and cogent will ever work their issues out
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I've generally found it very good - but maybe I'm lucky.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I have native IPv6 at home/office and in the data centre.
[17:52] <Mikaela> When will IPv6 be enabled by default?
[17:52] <Mikaela> I have Raspberry as IPv6 router which is currently tunneling sixxs.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> depends on your ISP, mostly.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> my ISP has been providing it for a number of years now.
[17:53] <Mikaela> I meant the ipv6 kernel module.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I never was sure why it was blacklsited on the Pi.
[17:53] <Mikaela> I have been asking my ISP for IPv6, but depending on where my question goes, they have no idea what it is or then they have no plans or will inform their plans later.
[17:54] <plugwash> Afaict the raspberry pi foundation think it's a waste of memory to enable it by default
[17:54] <plugwash> I STRONGLY dissagree with this position BTW
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> I just stuck ipv6 in /etc/modules and forgot about it.
[17:54] <Mikaela> Interesting claim.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> that may have been true in the early days, but then I think bundling mathematica is a waste on 800MB of SD card space now...
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> so you can no-longer have a 2GB Raspbian image..
[17:55] <plugwash> Sure you can you just can't get it from the raspberry pi foundation
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> but it was tight for 2GB anyway...
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[17:57] <plugwash> I think a basic raspbian is less than half a gig though it's a while since I checked
[17:57] <gbaman> I have a folder that needs to be writeable by multiple users of different groups. Because security isn't important I set it to 777. Problem is when one user goes and creates a file, no other uses have edit permission. Any ideas on best way around that?
[18:00] <plugwash> a user can be a member of more than one group
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> and umask can be used to set default permissions.
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[18:01] <gbaman> d
[18:01] <gbaman> Default permissions for a specific folder?
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> no. it's a mask applied to all file creates.
[18:02] <gbaman> don't want every folder the user creates to be writeable by everyone
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> you're better off creating a new group for that directory (directory, not folder, please) then making all the users a member of that group then using the group sticky-bit.
[18:02] <plugwash> normally what you do is make sure the umask is 022, add all the users to a group and then set the directory to be owned by the group and set the setgid bit on the directory
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> setgid == group sticky bit.
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> chmod 2775 ...
[18:03] * plugwash thought the sticky bit was something else
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> generic term AIUI ..
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> the original file sticky bit was to keep an executable in swap to make it run faster..
[18:04] <gbaman> hmm
[18:04] <plugwash> I thought the sticky bit was the bit that made it so that only the owner of a file could remove it whatever the group permissions on the directory said
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> directory sticky bit - chmod 1xxx ...
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> usually applied to /tmp and the like.
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> lots of sticky bits :)
[18:05] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, ok seems to be a difference in terminology, I always heard sticky bit used to reffer to what you call the "directory sticky bit" and setgid bit used to reffer to what you call the "group sticky bit"
[18:06] <gbaman> so what am I applying to the directory once created other than chown :groupName ?
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's just changed in-time. been using Unix, etc. for the past 33 years now - sometimes things change :)
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> overloaded commands )-: When I was your age it was chgrp ...
[18:06] <plugwash> gbaman, chmod 2775
[18:07] <gbaman> and the first digit is this sticky bit?
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> it's an octal number - like the rest of the modes.
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> think of it as 3 bits - owner/group/directory
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> so 2 is 010 is group
[18:08] <gbaman> ok?
[18:08] <gbaman> and 4 is 001 other
[18:09] <gbaman> so the default permission level a new file has?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I think you'l find that 4 in binary is 100
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> the default permission is goverend by the umask. type umask to see.
[18:09] <gbaman> thought you were meaning it follows the same system as chmod and its numberw
[18:10] <gbaman> *numbers
[18:10] <gbaman> as in owner is 1, group is 2 and other is 4
[18:11] <gbaman> and other is usually the 3rd digit
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> the first number is slightly different to the other 3 numbers, but they're all octal numbers (0-7)
[18:11] <MrPigBearMan> ping twolife :)
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[18:12] <gbaman> built from each other? Like chmod?
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> so the other numbers are rwx the first number is owner/group/directory sticky bits.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> and you use chmod on it.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> so if you create a group called e.g. class1, then chgrp directory class1 then make all people a member of class1 group, then you can chmod 2775 directory
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> then all files created in directory will have group id of class1 and everyone in the class1 group will be able to access them - or change their group modes if they're created read-only.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> the actual mode a file is created in is governed by the application - and most applications use a mode of 0666 this is affected by the setting of umask and the resultant mode is (mode & ~umask)
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> so with a umask of 022 then 666 -> 644 which is owner rw, group ro, other ro.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> I think umask defaults to 2 these days, so 666 -> 664 which is relatively safe.
[18:17] <gbaman> hmm
[18:17] <gbaman> not working..
[18:17] <gbaman> default isn't being set as group writable
[18:17] <gbaman> -rw-r--r--
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> you have to logout & login again to update the group members on a user. use the id command to check.
[18:18] <gbaman> the user is part of the group
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> what is the outout of the umask command?
[18:18] <gbaman> so is the user that created the folder
[18:18] <gbaman> 0002
[18:18] <gbaman> thought it wasn't needed and chmod 2775 should have done it?
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> so it's the program creating the file which is forcring the rw-r--.-- mode
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[18:19] <gordonDrogon> the directory permissins have no bearing on file permissions.
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> use the touch command to create a file to test.
[18:20] <gbaman> just created one with nano and it seemed to work
[18:20] <gbaman> will reboot the client, one sec
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[18:22] <gbaman> nope, didn't help
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[18:24] <gbaman> any way to force the change when the file is saved there?
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[18:25] <gbaman> Trying to avoid a background daemon running every few seconds which changes them :)
[18:26] <plugwash> I think it may be doable with acls, not sure
[18:27] <gbaman> all of this is for a simple shared folder system for classroom
[18:27] <gbaman> is 2 groups, pupils and teachers
[18:27] <gbaman> everyone is part of the pupils group (including teachers) and then teachers are in pupils and teachers
[18:27] <plugwash> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/580584/setting-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-and-sub-directories-under-a
[18:28] <plugwash> see the answer that begins with "Here's how to do it using default ACLs"
[18:28] <gbaman> Software provides the option to create one that is read only for students or read write for them. Teachers is always read/write
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> this should just work - it works for me on a daily basis with all the NFS shares I have.
[18:29] <gbaman> seems gordonDrogon stuff is ignoring it
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> it's all about managing groups.
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[18:29] <hifi> read: linux filesystem permissions suck
[18:29] <gbaman> and what about if a user creates a file somewhere else then copies it to the shared folder?
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> it's the program that creates the files that sets the permissions.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> some copy programs try to preserve file modes and timestamps too.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> e.g. cp -a
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[18:30] <gbaman> PCManFM seems to be ignoring it
[18:31] <hifi> I have never got shared directories to actually work well, umask being ignored by some programs -> no workie
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[18:31] <plugwash> Afaict a default acl can get arround the umask thing, see the stack overflow post I linked above
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> hifi, I've been doing this for over 20 years - neve really had issues with it. and while linux file permissions may be sub-optimal they've been find for me with companies of a few 100 people and dozens of user groups.
[18:32] <plugwash> but I don't think there is any way to get around a program that changes the permissions after creation
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> and I've never used linux acl's just olde fashioned groups & modes.
[18:32] <gbaman> plugwash: other than a background program changing permissions of a folder every few seconds :)
[18:32] <hifi> gordonDrogon: you've never had the issue of scp/sftp/<some random program> creating/modifying file permissions of shared files in a way it locks out other users than the "owner"/creator?
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> hifi, I can't think of one situation where I'd use scp/sftp on systems with nfs shares.
[18:33] <hifi> for nfs shares you can use server side forcing of modes, same for samba shares
[18:34] <hifi> but if you have a local shared directory for two or more users, say, they manage a website together, how would you make it impossible to NOT have write permission for group?
[18:35] <hifi> when I scp files in my local permissions are copied over and my default group is used on server side, sticky group bit can help keep the group, but I've found nothing that forces that the group has write permissions
[18:36] <hifi> and that you can never chmod g-w on any files inside such directories
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[18:38] <gordonDrogon> maybe, you know, shock-horron and all that, teachers will have to learn the chmod command, then create files in their own private home directory then copy them to the shared area as read-only.
[18:38] <gbaman> gordonDrogon: you can't expect teachers and students to do that..
[18:38] <hifi> that isn't very user friendly, no
[18:44] <gbaman> is there a way somehow to hook into running a script when a new file is created in the folder?
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[18:45] <gbaman> haha, it exists!
[18:51] <gbaman> plugwash: acl didnt work
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[19:31] <OERIAS> Will the current release work with Model B+
[19:31] <OERIAS> ?
[19:33] <Mikaela> I am running Raspbian on B+
[19:34] <gbaman> OERIAS: the current Raspbian version (2014-06-20-wheezy-raspbian.img) works on the B+
[19:34] <OERIAS> Is it smooth?
[19:34] <gbaman> yes?
[19:34] <gbaman> it is no slower than running on a B
[19:34] <gbaman> and at the same time, no faster
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[19:59] <gbaman> ok, nearly done, just stumbled across a really really weird one..
[20:00] <gbaman> using cat <<EOF1 > nameOfFile followed by all the stuff I want in the text file
[20:00] <gbaman> (and ending it with EOF1)
[20:01] <gbaman> ohh, wait..
[20:01] <gbaman> I have this line which it executes directory=$(inotifywait -q -r --format %w -e create /home/shared/)
[20:01] <gbaman> any suggestions on not making it execute the line?
[20:02] <OERIAS> Would I be able to install software from source?
[20:03] <gbaman> OERIAS: it completely depends on the software
[20:03] <OERIAS> LibreOffice
[20:03] <gbaman> why build it from source..
[20:03] <gbaman> that would take days....
[20:03] <gbaman> it is in apt
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[20:24] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: pong ?
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[20:25] <MrPigBearMan> Hey there. I have added your repos to a couple of my systems in hope of having a easy way to install Qt5.3 and all the classes along with that. But I am getting errors about platform . None of them seem to work. wayland eglfs ect
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[20:26] <MrPigBearMan> did not know if you knew this or not.
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[20:27] <MrPigBearMan> Is there some workaround for this ? Or do I have to compile from source. and or use something like boot 2 qt. Though I would like to stay on raspbian.
[20:27] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: well; for raspbien wheezy i have only backported qt5.2
[20:27] <MrPigBearMan> twolife, it is great work but I have tried only tried jessie
[20:29] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: for jessie it's tricky...
[20:29] <MrPigBearMan> I see
[20:29] <twolife> in wheezy it's simple, there is no qt5 in the repo
[20:30] <twolife> in jessie there is a build, a simple rebuild from debian without any "rpi support" activated
[20:30] <MrPigBearMan> twolife, I made sure that I installed your version of everything though passing the app=version ect
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[20:31] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: you can try to add "deb http://twolife.be/raspbian/ jessie test" in your sources.list
[20:32] <MrPigBearMan> yeah
[20:32] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: i did rebuild a qt5.3 with rpi support in a "test" repo ; but i have to rebuild it each time there is a new version in raspbian jessie
[20:32] <MrPigBearMan> keeps on giving me platform errors.
[20:32] <MrPigBearMan> I see
[20:33] <MrPigBearMan> twolife, seems like it is the same issue with the ones in main repo
[20:33] <MrPigBearMan> platform support that is ^
[20:33] <MrPigBearMan> like it is not passing -noxcb and what not in the build
[20:35] <twolife> well for me it's working with "export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl"
[20:35] <MrPigBearMan> twolife, what are you using buildd and reprepro ?
[20:35] <twolife> if you want eglfs, i suppose a simple "export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=eglfs" should works
[20:36] <MrPigBearMan> twolife, you you ever able to get Hawaii to run ?
[20:36] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: nop. a ugly shell script to generate the packages/sources files
[20:36] <MrPigBearMan> cool I will try that as well I was just passing --platform wayland-egl ect ect
[20:37] <twolife> MrPigBearMan: no, hawaii never worked :( ; i onyl get a black screen ; (but weston doesn't crash)
[20:37] <MrPigBearMan> I just dd a image and am upgrading it to jessie atm.
[20:38] <MrPigBearMan> cool that weston does not crash. I have been making a DE myself that I can only get to run on fbi because I could not get the wayland plugins for qt to work
[20:38] <MrPigBearMan> ini reader desktop file readers filmanager terminal emulator ect are all done.
[20:39] <MrPigBearMan> I am going to push it to github after Monday. If you like I will pm you with repo ?
[20:39] <twolife> i would like that yes :-)
[20:39] <MrPigBearMan> just got the xdg icon stuff to work and what not also. along with box2d and other qtplugins
[20:40] <MrPigBearMan> a lot of it was all from nemo mobile and Ubuntu Touch
[20:40] <MrPigBearMan> would be cool to also tie it all into wayland as that is the plan
[20:41] <MrPigBearMan> but 1st I must get working version of things.
[20:41] <twolife> tips: for qtwayland you wil need to install "libqt5waylandclient5" from my "test" repo
[20:41] <MrPigBearMan> cool
[20:41] <MrPigBearMan> yeah I was trying to build everything from source
[20:41] <MrPigBearMan> well still am
[20:41] <OERIAS> I managed to port Grindr! Woot! Woot!
[20:42] <MrPigBearMan> but maybe we could work on this togeather. I will 100% PM you link and what not when I get all the Qt stuff up and running
[20:43] <MrPigBearMan> I sure would like to be able to have a window manager and not just things running on fbi/eglfs
[20:45] <MrPigBearMan> twolife, this is all the stuff that I have been going through so that I can at least get qt up and running. http://pastebin.com/arQUpACH
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[21:22] <gbaman> anyone any idea on this, got a bash script which is creating another one, but it runs line 26 http://pastebin.com/8PUsgHih
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[21:25] <MrPigBearMan> maybe I missed something but what is the user gbaman ?
[21:25] <gbaman> what do you mean?
[21:25] <MrPigBearMan> for chown
[21:25] <MrPigBearMan> also you could try ` and not $()
[21:26] <gbaman> i need it though to work in the actual script
[21:26] <MrPigBearMan> like directory=`inotifywait -q -r --format %w -e create /home/shared/`
[21:26] <gbaman> will that actually though run the command in the script?
[21:27] <MrPigBearMan> it will give the output just like $() should
[21:27] <MrPigBearMan> same deal
[21:28] <MrPigBearMan> maybe also assign that var at the top of your script unless you need it in your loop
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[21:29] <gbaman> it is still doing it
[21:30] <MrPigBearMan> did you add the Var to the top of the init script ?
[21:31] <MrPigBearMan> << not bash expert though
[21:31] <gbaman> didnt help either
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[21:32] <MrPigBearMan> not sure you could also ask on the #bash channel
[21:33] <MrPigBearMan> or wait for others that are better with bash then I am.
[21:33] <MrPigBearMan> but you tried like this ? http://pastebin.com/DDXBAVgm
[21:33] <gbaman> yes, it works fine
[21:34] <gbaman> it is that line
[21:34] <MrPigBearMan> gbaman, why do you need to assign the var in the do loop ?
[21:35] <gbaman> it gets the output of the command and is used in the next command
[21:35] <gbaman> poke plugwash
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[21:35] <MrPigBearMan> gbaman, but you can not assign it Not in the do loop ?
[21:35] <gbaman> no, because it constantly loops getting a new folder
[21:35] <MrPigBearMan> I see that is what I was asking about
[21:36] <gbaman> inotifywait waits till there is a new folder created in /home/shared
[21:36] <gbaman> inotifywait pauses the program till there is
[21:36] <MrPigBearMan> Ok
[21:36] <gbaman> when there is it continues and spits out which folder changed
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[21:49] <MrPigBearMan> There is not and spindle scritps that are for jessie ?
[21:53] <MrPigBearMan> I guess that I could change it all up in wheezy4 script.
[21:54] <MrPigBearMan> but it looks like I would also have to change up all the helper scripts for building the image at the end so that it does not re-add the wheezy repo stuff back to apt stuff
[21:55] <MrPigBearMan> I guess that that is better then Fetched 630 MB in 19min 34s (537 kB/s)
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[23:34] <MrPigBearMan> anyone good with sytemd here ? I am trying to make a session for wayland/weston but not all is good. It works but I get no mouse and what not.
[23:35] <MrPigBearMan> http://pastebin.com/siKZCMNf
[23:35] <MrPigBearMan> I just added the bin/bash part but am affarid to restart lol
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[23:37] <MrPigBearMan> sorry here is the script that goes with it. http://pastebin.com/GAtcXXtG
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