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[0:08] <MaX-BR> maybe mysql kills the usb disk or sd card?
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[8:22] <diederik> Not getting userland msgs on all consoles was actually caused by an 11 year old bug!
[8:22] <diederik> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181756
[8:24] <shiftplusone> wow
[8:24] <diederik> indeed. that was my first respons as well
[8:25] <shiftplusone> and they're saying upstream is dead =/
[8:25] <shiftplusone> ah, but it seems it has been pushed, so should be fixed in debian soon
[8:26] <shiftplusone> another 10 years and we'll be good
[8:26] <diederik> haha!
[8:27] <diederik> I haven't checked whether upstream is really dead, but the msg saying that is 7 years old!
[8:28] <diederik> The last commit to upstream was 5 months ago, so it's not actually dead.
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[8:38] <shiftplusone> hurray
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[11:06] <diederik> does http://archive.raspbian.org set the correct content type?
[11:07] <diederik> case in point: I always have to save xz files, no other option given in iceweasel.
[11:08] <diederik> Noticed that xz is not present in /etc/mime.types though (I wonder why)
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> it's a relatively new compression format.
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[11:09] <diederik> yeah, but used a LOT on debian, so it seems logical to add that mime type on a debian system
[11:11] <diederik> should I file a wishlist bug on mime-support or is my system not properly configured?
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> check to see if it's in Jessie first - they may already have picked it up.
[11:16] <diederik> I've checked it on my (host) system, which is running sid
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> well if it's not there, and youknow the procedure, maybe request its inclusion...
[11:18] <diederik> already searching the bug reports whether some else has done it :)
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[11:20] <plugwash> looks like archive.raspbian.org is using application/octet-stream for .xz files
[11:20] <gbaman> with a file with the permissions of -rwxrwxrwx 1 bob pupil 4 Aug 1 11:51 hhhhh any user should be able to modify it right?
[11:20] <gbaman> especially those in the group pupil
[11:21] <diederik> ah ok. Been looking for a mime-type for xz, but haven't found one yet
[11:21] <plugwash> gbaman, yes
[11:22] <plugwash> however note that some tools don't modify a file in-place but replace it with a new one
[11:22] <plugwash> and doing that requires write privilages to the directory
[11:22] <gbaman> ahh
[11:22] <diederik> seems to be application/x-xz according to http://filext.com/file-extension/XZ
[11:22] <gbaman> the folder has permissions of drwxrwxrwx 1 root pupil 4096 Aug 1 11:51 pupil
[11:23] <gbaman> so not adding up here..
[11:25] <diederik> doesn't seem registered with iana (yet?) though.
[11:25] <gbaman> because it is refusing to let me edit them. I can add new files though
[11:25] <gbaman> works fine when logged in as the original person who created the file
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[11:31] <den> what is the difference when you flash flash SD card, nomarlly you use dd command However, sometime, you just extract zip file on to directly SD card. How can it be boot from..?
[11:32] <shiftplusone> different installation methods
[11:32] <shiftplusone> the pi firmware looks for bootcode.bin on the fat32 partition
[11:32] <shiftplusone> if your card is fat32 formatted, you can have bootcode.bin there to get things going
[11:32] <shiftplusone> which will usually lead to an installer or some sort... NOOBS or uanetint
[11:33] <shiftplusone> alternatively, you can have the OS already installed in an image which you can dd onto the card
[11:33] <shiftplusone> which will contain the fat32 partition and your linux install partition
[11:35] <den> THANK YOU SO MUCH :)
[11:36] <shiftplusone> I've over simplified it a little, and threw a few typos in there, but that's the general idea.
[11:36] <den> where can i get those information in detail..?
[11:37] <shiftplusone> google
[11:37] <den> true :)
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[11:40] <diederik> I installed a basic wheezy system with the netinstaller. When booted into the new system, I plugged in a wifi usb device and the system rebooted. Is that a firmware issue or a kernel issue or ... ?
[11:42] <BManojlovic> it can be power usage
[11:42] <BManojlovic> do you have anything else connected to USB port?
[11:43] <diederik> no it's the only device and I'm using a brand new 2A power supply (from The Pi Hut)
[11:43] <diederik> so I would be rather disappointed if it were a power issue (doesn't mean it's impossible of course)
[11:44] <diederik> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756754 :)
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[11:47] <BManojlovic> in that case no clue
[11:47] <diederik> thanks for trying :)
[11:47] <den> diederik, after installing a basic wheezy system with the netinstaller, how do you ssh or how could you find the ip address of PI..?
[11:48] <diederik> den: I simple do 'ssh root@<hostname>' but my router has both a dhcp and dns server
[11:50] <diederik> If you don't specify the hostname parameter in installer-config.txt it defaults to 'pi'
[11:50] <den> hm..
[11:50] <den> oh
[11:50] <den> then i could do just 'ssh root@pi'
[11:51] <diederik> yes
[11:51] <den> wow
[11:51] <den> Thank you :)
[11:51] <diederik> yw
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[12:14] <diederik> could my reboot issue have to do with non-installed firmware files?
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[12:26] <diederik> plugwash: is it possible to get update (nonfree-) firmware files for wheezy?
[12:27] <diederik> there is a wheezy-backports version if that helps
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[12:51] <den> how long does it usually take to finish installing raspbian with the netinstaller? It has been almost 45 mins and i kept failing ssh to my PI. It says connection refused..
[12:53] <den> However, when i ping to PI, it works. And i did like this ' ssh root@10.1.1.20' and i found this IP from cgi software on my router DHCP list.
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[12:54] <diederik> my last install took about 17 mins
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[12:54] <diederik> it depends a lot on the speed of your sd card and your internet conection though
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[12:55] <diederik> Basically all packages are now cached on my LAN, so download is rather speedy with me
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[12:57] <diederik> have you provided your own configuration file(s)?
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[12:58] <den> no. i haven't provided any config file..
[12:58] <den> what do you mean by that ,diederik..?
[12:59] <diederik> you can customize the (initial) installation by providing 1 or more configuration files
[12:59] <diederik> See https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst#installer-customization
[13:00] <den> what do i need to configure..?
[13:00] <diederik> read the info from the link
[13:01] <diederik> I am assuming though that you're using the raspbian-ua-netinst program ...
[13:01] <den> I've been reading that infor but, i don't actually get what it says...to be honest..
[13:02] <den> I thought i can just ssh when it finishes installation..
[13:02] <diederik> that's ok. It should work without any configuration file.
[13:03] <diederik> yep, that is indeed the idea
[13:03] <den> then i will just wait for more time Y.Y
[13:04] <diederik> are you trying to ssh *from* a linux machine?
[13:04] <den> no, i'm doing it from mac..
[13:05] <diederik> I don't know if mac has it too, but 'nmap 10.1.1.20' should provide useful info (if it works)
[13:07] <den> oh.. mac doesn't even have nmap
[13:07] <diederik> try to find a program which can scan ports on a computer (ie the RPi) ... or wait
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[13:12] <den> yes thank you :)
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[13:15] <den> i did ssh with -v option and i got this
[13:15] <den> OpenSSH_6.2p2, OSSLShim 0.9.8r 8 Dec 2011
[13:16] <den> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh_config
[13:16] <den> Connecting to 10.1.1.20 [10.1.1.20] port 22.
[13:16] <diederik> it's better to pastebin it on for example paste.debian.net
[13:16] <den> connect to address 10.1.1.20 port 22: Connection refused
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[13:17] <den> http://paste.debian.net/113113/
[13:17] <den> Thank you :)
[13:19] <diederik> http://www.thoughtdeposit.net/os-x/osx-has-a-builtin-command-line-port-scanner
[13:19] <diederik> maybe that gives some more info ^^
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[13:33] <den> OH, my Pi seems to be done with installation
[13:33] <den> and i tried ssh again but this time i got timeout error..
[13:34] <diederik> holy cow, that's a rather lengthy installation process :-/
[13:34] <den> hahahaha
[13:34] <den> indeed~
[13:35] <diederik> can you try again to ssh to the Pi and see if it works now?
[13:36] <diederik> maybe you have a REALLY slow sd card and was it still busy booting up. That would also explain why it took so long to install
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[13:43] <den> omg..
[13:44] <den> i saw ethernet led off that's why i assumed something has done
[13:45] <den> And, i disconnected my Pi from the router and bring to living room where i can connect it to tv though HDMI
[13:46] <den> trying to see some visual then i doesn't show anything..
[13:46] <diederik> that's not good ...
[13:47] <den> and i'm thinking that there might be fault due to over heat..?
[13:47] <den> i'm using usb hub power
[13:47] <den> and the adapter connected to hub says that it convert to 9v
[13:48] <diederik> ehhh 9v?
[13:48] <den> is there any possibility that it's gone..?
[13:48] <den> yeah.. 9v..
[13:48] <diederik> I'm not very familiar with the hardware side of things, but I'm quite sure you need 5V
[13:48] <den> yeah... lol omg..
[13:48] <den> what have i done Y.Y
[13:53] <gbaman> wait, 9v into a pi...
[13:54] <gbaman> a USB hub wouldnt give out 9v..
[13:54] <den> 9v connected to usb hub
[13:54] <gbaman> must be a regulator inside the hub
[13:54] <gbaman> if it is USB, it wont be 9v
[13:55] <gbaman> well, the hub wont be spitting out 9v
[13:55] <gbaman> got a multimeter?
[13:55] <den> oh.. i dont..
[13:55] <gbaman> this a model B?
[13:56] <den> i just plugged my sd card and put it into my laptop
[13:56] <den> yes
[13:56] <gbaman> does the green LED come on?
[13:56] <den> but it won't work ..
[13:56] <gbaman> or more importantly, does the red one come on?
[13:56] <den> yes
[13:56] <den> only
[13:56] <den> red one come on
[13:56] <gbaman> then voltage is roughly fine
[13:56] <gbaman> it isnt getting fed 9v
[13:56] <gbaman> what is on the SD card?
[13:57] <den> hu ..
[13:57] <gbaman> Raspbian?
[13:57] <den> thanks !
[13:57] <gbaman> NOOBS?
[13:57] <den> yes
[13:57] <gbaman> Got a monitor?
[13:57] <den> i was trying to install raspbian
[13:57] <den> with the net installer
[13:57] <gbaman> why use the net installer?
[13:57] <den> and i've been waiting for like 1 hour
[13:57] <den> cuz i don't have key board ..
[13:57] <gbaman> and?
[13:58] <gbaman> standard Raspbian will display its IP address on ethernet when it boots
[13:58] <den> when i just installed raspbian and then it boots then it shows some setup config option menu
[13:58] <gbaman> ohh
[13:58] <den> which i don't have any control ..
[13:58] <den> lol
[13:58] <gbaman> forgot about that..
[13:58] <den> i was trying to get rid of that option menu..
[13:59] <den> but don't know how..
[13:59] <diederik> does the raspbian image from raspberrypi.org provide a ssh-server?
[13:59] <gbaman> you saying you don't have a keyboard in your house?
[13:59] <gbaman> diederik: yes
[13:59] <gbaman> enabled by default
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[13:59] <gbaman> den: there is an easy way around all this
[13:59] <diederik> then you could try that instead den
[13:59] <den> no.. i don't own any keyboard.
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[14:00] <gbaman> den: flash a new SD card with Raspbian
[14:00] <den> i actually did ssh with PI connected to my laptop with ethernet cable
[14:00] <gbaman> from the foundation
[14:00] <gbaman> then whats wrong?
[14:00] <den> but still i can't do anything with the option menu
[14:01] <gbaman> sshing into the Pi won't bring up raspi-config
[14:01] <gbaman> but it will complain a bit and tell you to run it
[14:01] <den> when the rapbian boots, it shows config option menu that i have to choose something
[14:01] <gbaman> then run it via ssh
[14:01] <gbaman> it only requires to be run once
[14:01] <den> what..?
[14:01] <gbaman> sudo raspi-config
[14:01] <den> if i do that
[14:01] <gbaman> have you got an SSH terminal into the pi currently?
[14:02] <den> then next time it won't show up?
[14:02] <den> yes
[14:02] <gbaman> correct
[14:02] <den> not now
[14:02] <den> before
[14:02] <gbaman> ?
[14:02] <gbaman> if you don't know the IP address of your Pi btw, you can add ip=x.x.x.x into cmdline.txt to force an IP address
[14:02] <den> ok, before i tried installation with the netinstaller, i got to ssh
[14:03] <den> yes, that's how i did before..
[14:03] <den> but i thought i can't still do anything with that config option
[14:03] <gbaman> well, get standard Raspbian back on it :)
[14:03] <gbaman> (and order a cheap keyboard off ebay...)
[14:03] <den> so i changed to install with the net installer
[14:04] <den> lol yes
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[17:20] <Paradisee> hello o/
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[18:06] <ParaDebian> hello o/
[18:06] <ParaDebian> how can i connect my wifi usb to internet on a raspbian?
[18:08] <Mikaela> The easiest way is probably to use a GUI, but I haven't ever used wifi USB with Raspbian.
[18:08] <ParaDebian> i have no hubs to expand my usb ports
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> ParaDebian, there are plenty of online tutorials of how to do it - just google raspberry pi wifi and you'll be off.
[18:08] <ParaDebian> there are only place for a wifi and a keyboard
[18:09] <ParaDebian> gordonDrogon: that's what im looking for, but there's nothing good enough
[18:10] <ParaDebian> a rpi b+ wouldn't be a problem actually
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> the problem is lack of usb ports?
[18:10] <ParaDebian> it could
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> if that's the case, then you need to go & buy a usb hub...
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> or a B+
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[18:11] <ParaDebian> those guides are so funny
[18:19] <Paradisee> what's this channel for?
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[18:21] <diederik> Paradisee: discussing things related to raspbian?
[18:21] <Paradisee> <gordonDrogon> ParaDebian, there are plenty of online tutorials of how to do it - just google raspberry pi wifi and you'll be off.
[18:21] <Paradisee> diederik: fair enough
[18:23] <diederik> setting up wifi is mostly installing wpa_supplicant and creating its config file (and making sure the wifi actually works)
[18:25] <diederik> s/wpa_supplicant/wpasupplicant
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[18:32] <vagrantc> well, the package is wpasupplicant, and the binary is wpa_supplicant...
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[22:23] <DanDare> Hi, Im bit confused: installed raspbian-netinst yesterday and its all fine, except while trying to install mysql-server. Theres this reference telling to use 'rpi-upgrade' to fix that. Last time I used 'rpi-upgrade' I ended with /lib/modules/3.12.25+ installed but getting '3.12-1-rpi' upon 'uname-r'
[22:24] <DanDare> my plan was to keep with just raspbian stuff and not install anything using rpi-update. Ive read raspbian docs and installation instructions but still not sure: Its ok using rpi-upgrade but keep booting on the old kernel ?
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[22:25] <DanDare> I think my main problem is trying to understand the term 'firmware' on the pi world. Firmware are just libraries and some boot code? Or it includes also different kernels?
[22:26] <DanDare> Ah, the reference I said is: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=568229#p568229
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