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[0:13] <mascondante> So I've got some thermal paste coming in. That + my fan and copper heat sinks should make for a chilly pi.
[0:14] <mascondante> thermal compound
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[4:52] <azizLIGHT> anyone have issue with tmux 1.6-2 where its memory usage is growing over time and you end up using all memory and swap
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[4:53] <azizLIGHT> what do i do here
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[5:59] <azizLIGHT> i guess im compiling from source
[5:59] <azizLIGHT> see you in a few hours lol
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[10:11] <zGrr> moin :)
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[10:48] <- *mpmctoo* I'm not here at the moment, your message has been logged and I'll get back to you when I can / %
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[11:41] <sine0> got my camera today yea! gonna plug it in and hope raspbian has the drivers
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> run sudo raspi-config to make sure they're enabled.
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[12:00] <zGrr> TheSnide: I don't agree. I think, that SD class == SD sequential write speed.
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[12:16] <sine0> gordonDrogon: http://dpaste.com/3HQXACW
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[12:18] <sine0> if a link is in red i assume its pointing to something that is not there...
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> sine0, what does: file /usr/bin/raspistill give you?
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> /usr/bin/raspistill: symbolic link to `/opt/vc/bin/raspistill'
[12:18] <sine0> its pointing to the other place opt vc etc
[12:18] <sine0> yea
[12:19] <sine0> but its in red
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> gordon@cmpi0:$ file /opt/vc/bin/raspistill
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> /opt/vc/bin/raspistill: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0xa4e60feeff1d99188c06da2590945662a2533643, not stripped
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I don't do colours, so have no idea what red means.
[12:19] <sine0> its missing. no such file
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> my text is black on a pale yellow background...
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> so seems like the firmware package is missing? Try a full apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade ...
[12:20] <sine0> did an update and upgrade
[12:20] <sine0> not a dist tho
[12:20] <sine0> will do that now
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm assuming you're running standard raspbian ..
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure where those packages come from - I just assumed they are there from the start...
[12:21] <sine0> I cant remember. i install back a coulpe of months ago
[12:21] <sine0> how can i tell
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> see how much the update/upgrade/dist-upgrade brings in :)
[12:21] <sine0> the pi kick started off my linux journy
[12:21] <sine0> nothing
[12:21] <sine0> they bring in nothing
[12:21] <sine0> ive done all 3. the lists came in but no upgrade or dist-upgrade
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> /usr/vc/bin should have lots of files in it.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> * /opt/vc/bin
[12:23] <sine0> a few
[12:23] <sine0> but not alot
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[12:23] <sine0> sine@pcyard:~$ ls /opt/vc/bin
[12:23] <sine0> edidparser tvservice vcdbg vcgencmd vchiq_test
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> try: sudo apt-get install libraspberrypi-bin
[12:24] <sine0> already the newest version
[12:24] <sine0> how strange
[12:25] <sine0> it would seem that everything points to me having it
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> the only other thing I can think of is running rpi-update ..
[12:26] <sine0> sudo rpi-update
[12:26] <sine0> ?
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> that should bring in the latest kernel and firmware, but I don't know what else.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:27] <sine0> command not found
[12:27] <sine0> hmmm
[12:27] <sine0> wtf
[12:27] <sine0> how can i check what version I am running
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> I've just checked the 2 Pi's I have online and they both have /opt/vc/bin/raspistill
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> I don't recall doing anything odd with them.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> cat /etc/debian_version and uname -a
[12:29] <sine0> sine@pcyard:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
[12:29] <sine0> 7.6
[12:29] <sine0> sine@pcyard:~$ uname -a
[12:29] <sine0> Linux pcyard.co.uk 3.12-1-rpi #1 Debian 3.12.9-1+rpi1 (2014-05-19) armv6l GNU/Linux
[12:29] <sine0> sine@pcyard:~$
[12:30] <sine0> :/
[12:30] <sine0> since ive install ive been quite happy with it ive installed a few bits on it
[12:31] <sine0> this is the first computer says no scenario hah
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[12:38] <sine0> reboot fixed nowt
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> kernels a bit old - surprised it's not being updated.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.12.22+ #691 PREEMPT Wed Jun 18 18:29:58 BST 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> yours looks like a self-compiled kernel to me ...
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> spot of lunch time. back inna bit.
[12:47] <diederik> sine0: pastebin apt-cache policy libraspberrypi-bin
[12:47] <diederik> gordonDrogon: sine0 is running the raspbian kernel (not rpf one)
[12:48] <diederik> sine0: oh sorry, missed that it was already fixed
[12:48] <sine0> ok sec
[12:48] <sine0> huh ?
[12:49] <sine0> no its nt
[12:49] <sine0> i meant the reboot fixed nothing
[12:49] <diederik> ah ok, I thought it did
[12:50] <sine0> http://pastebin.com/zq4tmje7
[12:51] <diederik> when did you last apt-get update/upgrade?
[12:51] <sine0> about 5 minutes ago
[12:51] <sine0> do you think my sources list is wrong
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[12:52] <diederik> paste your sources.list then, because you're using an old version of libraspberrypi-bin
[12:52] <diederik> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/firmware/r/raspberrypi-firmware-nokernel/
[12:52] <diederik> ^^ shows the latest/current version of that package, ie 20140908
[12:52] <sine0> sine@pcyard:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:52] <sine0> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[12:53] <diederik> add firmware to that list
[12:53] <diederik> and do apt-get update/upgrade again
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[12:54] <diederik> you should then get newer versions of libraspberrypi-bin and libraspberrypi0
[12:55] <diederik> they do contain raspistill/vid/etc. It was missing in the old version
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[12:58] <sine0> ok thanks its there, error on commad saying camera not found, going for reboot
[12:58] <sine0> brb
[12:58] <diederik> wait
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[12:59] <diederik> you have a B+?
[13:00] <diederik> You probably have to add "blacklist i2c-bcm2708" to /etc/modprobe.d/camera-blacklist.conf
[13:01] <TheSnide> zGrr: that's why the "mostly" :)
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[13:03] <TheSnide> auduny: about fio to check sd card, i suppose flashbench doesn't fit you need ( https://github.com/bradfa/flashbench )
[13:03] <zGrr> TheSnide: I have several Class4 cards, I regard as MUCH faster than Class10 cards.
[13:03] <TheSnide> zGrr: it all depends on the FTL and access patterns
[13:04] <auduny> TheSnide: Havn't tried flashbench. But i guess that works as well :-)
[13:04] <TheSnide> auduny: it's mostl aimed at "fingerprinting" sd cards
[13:04] <auduny> Just wondering why i couldn't apt-get it .And the (valid) reason was that it was only available for jessie :-)
[13:05] <TheSnide> fio ?
[13:05] <zGrr> TheSnide: of course.
[13:05] <auduny> TheSnide: fio yes. It's available in jessie, but not weezy in raspbian.
[13:06] <auduny> I could go for flashbench instead, unless i just compile fio myself.
[13:06] <TheSnide> auduny: strange, since it's in armel/debian since squeeze.
[13:06] <auduny> TheSnide: It is yes, but not rasbian weezy, just jessie (if my understanding of the issue is right)
[13:07] <diederik> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashbench&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
[13:07] <diederik> thus auduny is correct
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[13:08] <sine0> sooooooo
[13:08] <diederik> it's working now?
[13:08] <sine0> I had the camera plugged into the display port (B+)
[13:09] <sine0> but now I have put it in the right one i still get an error
[13:09] <auduny> So someone just just sit down and compile up the fio package for raspbian wheezey. That someone could be me.
[13:09] <diederik> yeah, that won't work :-P
[13:09] <auduny> s/just/should/
[13:09] <diederik> did you see my msg about blacklisting?
[13:09] <TheSnide> auduny: curl -s http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages | fgrep -c "Package: fio" --> 0
[13:09] <sine0> sine@pcyard:~$ sudo raspistill -o cam.jpg
[13:09] <sine0> [sudo] password for sine:
[13:09] <sine0> mmal: mmal_vc_component_create: failed to create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1:ENOMEM)
[13:09] <sine0> mmal: mmal_component_create_core: could not create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1)
[13:09] <sine0> mmal: Failed to create camera component
[13:09] <TheSnide> auduny: curl -s http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/jessie/main/binary-armhf/Packages | fgrep -c "Package: fio" --> 1
[13:09] <sine0> mmal: main: Failed to create camera component
[13:10] <sine0> mmal: Camera is not detected. Please check carefully the camera module is installed correctly
[13:10] <sine0> woops a bit big, sorry
[13:10] <sine0> blacklisting, no?
[13:10] <sine0> diederik:
[13:10] <diederik> sine0: You probably have to add "blacklist i2c-bcm2708" to /etc/modprobe.d/camera-blacklist.conf
[13:10] <sine0> why so ?
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[13:10] <auduny> TheSnide: Yes. As i said. But I'm running wheezy :-) Haven't leaped into running testing yet. Got my first raspberry two days ago.
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[13:11] <diederik> apparently i2c is making the camera not work
[13:11] <auduny> And thought that it might be a few (other) things that don't work as good in testing.
[13:11] <diederik> and the blacklist disables i2c and makes the camera work. At least it did it for me
[13:11] <TheSnide> auduny: you're fully right. I thought that they mostly automated the rebuilding of package. So it feels a little stranfge
[13:11] <sine0> with or without speech quotes. im assuming without
[13:12] <diederik> without
[13:12] <sine0> ok im going to reboot
[13:12] <sine0> brb
[13:12] <diederik> ok
[13:12] <TheSnide> auduny: bah testing is mostly frozen. (I guess that just before there is a frenetic upload-mania that might break it more than usual)
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[13:13] * auduny remembers back while waiting for debian woody beeing released.
[13:13] <diederik> TheSnide: testing should be frozen soon, but it surely is not the case right now
[13:13] <auduny> "Any day now" for about 7 years..
[13:13] <auduny> :-D
[13:13] <diederik> I'm running Debian Sid and I had hundreds of package updates the last couple of days
[13:14] <sine`> hahah i scrolled up and saw the "wait......."
[13:14] <sine`> sine disconnects
[13:14] <sine`> :D
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[13:15] <diederik> I ran into that same issue about 3 weeks ago ;-)
[13:15] <xreal> Nope, I've rebooted everything. Doesn't work.
[13:15] <diederik> lsmod | grep i2c
[13:15] <diederik> (pastebin it)
[13:15] <xreal> Damn, why did I reboot RaspBMC? Every time I'm rebooting it, something doesn't work.
[13:16] <xreal> diederik: me? or another guy?
[13:16] <diederik> xreal: that was for sine`
[13:16] <TheSnide> auduny: my first deb release wait was bo.
[13:16] <TheSnide> auduny: then once released, tweaking many obscure config files to have X working :)
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[13:17] <sine0> it works, thanks diederik
[13:17] <auduny> TheSnide: Debian 1.3 Bo (June 5th, 1997) ...
[13:17] <TheSnide> auduny: yup, this one.
[13:17] <sine0> would not have done it without you. how stupid that the B+ needs that
[13:17] <sine0> i bet lots of people have that trouble
[13:17] <sine0> it should work out the box....
[13:17] <auduny> My first was potato. I was a c64-scener before that .
[13:17] <diederik> good that it works :)
[13:18] <sine0> the camera is actually.... not that bad at all!
[13:18] <TheSnide> never had a c64. started directly with a 8088
[13:18] <diederik> need to find a way why that's needed and see if there's a way around it
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[13:19] <TheSnide> base install of weezy is ~500MiB, jessie is more ~900MiB. just saying.
[13:20] <TheSnide> (that for i386, but i guess it's same for armhf)
[13:20] <diederik> it all depends on what you install.
[13:23] <TheSnide> diederik: just @base :)
[13:24] <diederik> is that with or without 'standard system utilities'?
[13:25] <TheSnide> with IIRC. but no X.
[13:25] <diederik> my remark was more targetted at raspbian though. If you use the raspbian-ua-netinst and don't specify additional packages it's probably way less then 500MB
[13:25] <TheSnide> diederik: i have to try that. does it support jessie ?
[13:26] <diederik> yes. specify 'release=jessie' in installer-config.txt
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[13:48] <sine`> ok. so i have a working pi and ive had it on lan, its online now etc. I have the wifi dongle i bought. im alittle bit worried about messing with the network settings, seeing as I have no USB keyboard any my only method of access has been via SSH LAN
[13:48] <sine`> i wouldnt mind setting it up so that it trys WIFI first, and if not found goes to LAN
[13:48] <sine`> I have the edimax usb
[13:49] <sine`> im going to google this but if anyone has done this way, shout
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[13:50] <diederik> shout?
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[13:50] <diederik> but I'm not sure what you exactly want to do
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[13:50] <sine`> i want to use the wifi dongle, it uses lan at the moment
[13:51] <sine`> do you think it will auto boot the dongle
[13:51] <sine`> i mean use
[13:51] <diederik> it usually uses 1 or the other, but not both
[13:51] <sine`> on gentoo i use wpa_supplicant
[13:51] <diederik> that's indeed what you'd need.
[13:51] <sine`> diederik: what im saying is, if i turn off lan, and something goes wrong i have no way of communicating with the pi. i dont have x or usb keybard
[13:52] <diederik> I've had numerous times that if you plug/unplug the wifi things go wrong
[13:52] <diederik> if you want stability, LAN is the way to go
[13:52] <diederik> what's the added value of using wifi?
[13:52] <sine`> i want to leave it in and have it so that if will try to use the wifi first, if its not found default to lan
[13:53] <sine`> so i can put the camera somewhere else than on top of my router in teh hallway ?
[13:53] <sine`> i have a few pictures of the front door, and dont get me wrong its a nice door.
[13:53] <diederik> that'll likely take LOTS of experimenting ... and given your situation, that may become an issue
[13:54] <sine`> so what im asking is that it could TRY the wifi first and tehn if thats not working, go to the lan
[13:55] <sine`> and if that works first then i can uplug the lan and reboot again somewhere else
[13:55] <diederik> having one, either wifi or ethernet, is not much of an issue. Having both can be problematic
[13:55] <sine`> ill google
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[13:55] <sine`> i suppose a usb keyboard would help
[13:56] <diederik> or an USB-to-serial console
[13:56] <sine`> hmmm i got one somewhere
[13:56] <diederik> http://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-usb-to-ttl-serial-cable
[13:56] <diederik> I have one and I love it
[13:56] <sine`> whats missing from this world is a usb to usb so you could just use your laptop keyboard or putty
[13:57] <diederik> putty requires a network connection ;)
[13:58] <diederik> I only have 1 usb keyboard, attached to my main PC, and with the serial cable I can manage/debug both
[13:58] <sine`> cool im ordering one
[13:59] <sine`> works with B+
[13:59] <sine`> ?
[14:00] <diederik> your wifi dongle works fine with the RPi, but if you plug in another network connection, it tries to disable the other. That's the issue you'd need to solve if you really want 2 network connections
[14:00] <diederik> yes and also with a (normal) B
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[14:01] <diederik> it modified the routing table and that can/will make your RPi inaccessible over the network
[14:02] <sine`> ok so i didnt install X with the raspbian
[14:02] <sine`> i could isntall it and use a usb mouse on a keyboard mapper.... oh wait. tediousness
[14:03] <diederik> what would you need a mouse for?
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[14:05] <sine`> sorry im thinking and assuming you know what my thoughts are
[14:05] <sine`> i was thinking about connecting to HDMI tv and using mouse with X
[14:05] <diederik> ok, then it's useful ;-)
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[14:22] <sine`> In my head I keep thinking of all the applications for the pi, its so great
[14:23] <sine`> saw a guy on the tube reading an arduino manual we got chatting and exchanged emails
[14:23] <diederik> that's pretty cool :)
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[14:32] <sine`> i would love to have a touch screen door lock for the front door
[14:33] <diederik> http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/21/pi-pads/
[14:36] <sine`> nice
[14:36] <sine`> watchings now
[14:37] <zGrr> I'm afraid it won't be cheap.
[14:38] <zGrr> Current tendency is to monetise on Pi's enormous success.
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[14:40] <zGrr> I'm happy with the Motorola Atrix Lapdock canibalised for the Raspberry Pi.
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[14:49] <sine`> the IR camera, is good for low light but NOT night time, correct ?
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> its sensitive to reflected IR
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[14:53] <boingolov> overall I do think the pi has a more sane pricing structure than the arduino stuff
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[15:02] <jakllsch> gordonDrogon: reflected from where?
[15:03] <jakllsch> internally?
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> from the object.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I mean reflected IR as opposed to radiated IR.
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> ie. it's not heat sensitive.
[15:06] <jakllsch> ah.
[15:06] <sine`> why does someone not make a true nv camera module
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> so in total darkness you get dark, but if you shine an IR torch, you get an image.
[15:07] <jakllsch> i was thinking of a possible astrophoto-type use case
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> so you can use it to see in the 'dark' - or film stuff that can't see IR - e.g. humans stumbling about, or animals in your garden at night...
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> I tried to film an IR laser, but it doesn't quite catch it.
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwXQy2l_Uk
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[21:58] <f00bar80> i've tried to upgrade tshark from 1.8.2 to 1.12.1 on rpi with raspbian, from a wheezy back-ports, I got it installed, but when tried to run it, always getting 'Illegal instruction', don't know if an issue related to the rpi arch. or what ??? any idea or suggestion ? i want the latest version of tshark on raspbian
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[22:01] <Xiguanda> hola
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[22:01] <sine0> diederik:
[22:01] <diederik> yes
[22:02] <sine0> the usb to serial cable is basically a way of getting a tty terminal login without a network and without ssh, correct ?
[22:02] <diederik> correct
[22:02] <sine0> cool
[22:02] <diederik> indeed ;)
[22:02] <sine0> so it goes into the GPIO pins
[22:02] <diederik> yes
[22:02] <sine0> what linux/windows software do you use to communicate with it
[22:03] <sine0> i would have assumed putty but you said you need a network
[22:03] <diederik> I currently use minicom but screen works too
[22:03] <sine0> screen ? as in the gnu screen ?
[22:03] <diederik> yes, that one
[22:03] <sine0> oh, how cool.
[22:04] <diederik> afaik for an ssh client, like putty, you need a network
[22:04] <sine0> no it does terminal
[22:05] <sine0> raw/terminal/ssh/telnet/serial
[22:05] <diederik> oh, maybe you could use putty then too
[22:05] <sine0> i just checked :D
[22:06] <sine0> I guess back in the old days, thats what a terminal was, something hard linked into the mainframe
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[22:07] <diederik> I think that was indeed it's origin. With a serial cable you can watch the whole boot process, starting with 'uncompressing linux...'
[22:08] <PhotoJim> GNU screen makes a nice little serial terminal program, indeed.
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[22:09] <PhotoJim> I've got a headless Pi running and I use a serial console cable with it precisely so I can watch it boot, or fix it if networking fails.
[22:11] <diederik> yup, that's basically how I use it too. Saves me from buying/using another keyboard
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[22:17] <sine0> im glad you mentioned it because i dont have a usb keyboard
[22:17] <diederik> I thought that was the reason we started this discussion ...
[22:18] <sine0> yes, im just re-stating that im glad you mentioned it
[22:18] <sine0> earlier on
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[22:18] <diederik> ah ok :)
[22:18] <sine0> I have one ordered
[22:19] <diederik> I had never worked with a serial console, but it was probably one of the best investments I've made
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[22:45] <sine0> Do you know of any good GPIO projects
[22:45] <sine0> i want to have a play with that, although im not interested in the LED one hah
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[22:45] <diederik> I don't have any experience with that. But I think that gordonDrogon knows a thing or 2 about it
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