#raspbian IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-11-04

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[2:16] <bsellers243> man isnt the raspberry pi great
[2:16] <bsellers243> ive been playing with it all morning
[2:16] <bsellers243> day*
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[10:49] <Yohio_> what would be the best way to run irssi on RPi? i know log files should probably be on an USB drive to not wear out the SD card but is there something else?
[10:50] * Yohio_ is now known as Yohio
[10:53] <shiftplusone> You're overthinking it.
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[10:53] <kingi> yeap
[10:55] <Yohio> so it's not that bad to put the log files on the SD card? I mean, those get written pretty often
[10:56] <shiftplusone> As with everything, if you care about the data, keep it elsewhere.
[10:57] <shiftplusone> Although I've never had an sd card go bad (yet), I still treat it as if it could die at any moment. If you care about the logfiles, then it's probably best not to store them on the card.
[10:57] <Yohio> I'm taking frequent backups of my log files, although I don't care if I lose them
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> and if you don't care about logfiles then sudo apt-get purge syslogd
[10:58] <Yohio> yeah but I'm talking about irssi logfiles
[10:58] <shiftplusone> different kind of log files, but yes.
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[11:01] <Yohio> anyway, i think I'll keep the files on the SD card and just run backups often enough to make sure I don't lose much
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[11:40] <zGrr> moin :)
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[12:58] <andrew710> hello. I install gitblit and youtrack on my pi. I want let them auto startup when reboot my raspberry pi. I add startup.sh in "rc.local", but it's not effective. How can i add my shell in automatically started application?
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[13:03] <andrew710> I also tried "update-rc.d" , but can't find this command on raspbian. How can i startup my shell automatically when reboot my raspberry?
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[13:36] <hanfm> is there a way to get faster ethernet on a raspberry pi?
[13:37] <shiftplusone> how much faster?
[13:37] <hanfm> the most, that is possible
[13:37] <shiftplusone> yes
[13:37] <hanfm> thats great. how much is possible?
[13:38] <shiftplusone> No idea, but using a gbit usb ethernet adapter is known to be faster than the on-board ethernet. I expect it's not by much and of little practical use.
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[13:39] <hanfm> oh, thats, what i feared
[13:39] <shiftplusone> The CPU is usually the bottleneck. Without overheads, you can easily get very close to line speed. However, as soon as you start doing multiple things at once, that speed drops.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> the absolute limit will be 420Mb/sec (or whatever USB2s max speed is)
[13:40] <hanfm> 480mbit/s is max usb2
[13:40] <shiftplusone> in practice, I suspect you will max out the CPU before you get anywhere near USSB2 speed
[13:40] <hanfm> i think about building a nas with a raspberry, but 100mbit is not enough for that
[13:41] <Odie_> usb2 = bad for nas
[13:41] <hanfm> yes, i guess
[13:41] <Odie_> I think I get around 30MB/s from usb2 on my desktop pc with usb2 hdd
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> Pi will work as a NAS, but another issue is the single USB interface - usb drives on the same bus as the USB Ethernet
[13:42] <Odie_> tl;dr it works if you are not in a hurry
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[13:43] <hanfm> i already have a nas and i am bothered about the speed of max 15mb/s. but the raspberry might be slower than this
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> Odie_, 30MB -> ~300Mb - that's quite fast for a single drive - more than head speed unless it's an SSD ...
[13:43] <Odie_> is not fast, is slow
[13:43] <Odie_> drives are 3x that speed
[13:44] <Odie_> closer to 100MB/s
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Duh. Units. forget that.
[13:44] <hanfm> ok, so i have to settle with my slowly nas .-.
[13:44] <hanfm> -.-
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> yea, head speed is in the 100-150M Bytes/sec not bits.
[13:45] <Odie_> meaning that basic single desktop hdd can fill gigabit ethernet
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> hanfm, slow, but think of the power you're saving... :)
[13:45] <Odie_> assuming sequential reads
[13:45] <Odie_> I would imagine there are other solutions for building nas-boxes
[13:46] <hanfm> gordonDrogon, yes you are right. it's ok so far
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> I use Atom based boxes right now.
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[13:46] <Odie_> gordonDrogon: got a link for one?
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> they're a reasonable trade-off for low ish power ve. performace.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> Odie_, I build my own...
[13:46] <hanfm> i guess atom is more expensive, right?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> yea = ~�100 for a motherboard. e.g. http://linitx.com/category/intel-atom/1010
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> it's a while since I built one though.
[13:48] <hanfm> but i have another question. i am looking forward to build a kind of observation camera. i need to cameras and a motion sensor. i would like to control this with a raspberry. this should work fine, right?
[13:48] <zaffy> with an external HDD and NFS in udp I can get 10 Mbyte/sec
[13:48] <zaffy> that's the fastest I can get
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> hanfm, Use a Pi Camera and PIR sensor. Should work just fine.
[13:49] <hanfm> zaffy, thats not much. so the idea for a raspberry died in my head
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> 10Mb via NFS is 100Mb... that's the ethernet limit.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> 10MBytes
[13:50] <hanfm> gordonDrogon, what about the quality and response time?
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> hanfm, it's full HD for video or 5MP for stills.
[13:50] <Odie_> gordonDrogon: its also not far from my 30MB/s usb2 divided by 2
[13:51] <Odie_> if the practical speed on usb hdd is around 30MB/s that is
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> the old grey cells working slow. going to the kitchen for a bit...
[13:52] <zaffy> hanfm: consider the HummingBoard then. It should be faster
[13:52] <hanfm> i need that for a university project. the target is to observe birds while taking food. the food should be catched, so the camera has to be fast and with a good resolution
[13:54] <hanfm> zaffy, for the camera or for a nas?
[13:55] <zaffy> I don't have experience with the cameras, I'm talking about the transfer speed
[13:55] <Odie_> you plan to use still camera or video?
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[13:56] <Odie_> do you want the pi to do anything besides control the camera to take picture?
[13:56] <hanfm> Odie_, video. one camera should take video scenes on reaction of the motion sensor and one camera should serve live stream
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[13:57] <hanfm> is that too much for a raspberry?
[13:57] <Odie_> why not take just one camera, buffer it up a bit, and when motion is detected save it?
[13:57] <Odie_> do you want the pi to store the data or just control camera? what cameras are you planning to use?
[13:57] <hanfm> one camera inside a birdhouse, one camrea outside
[13:57] <Odie_> canon eos 5d?
[13:58] <Odie_> logitech C270 web cam?
[13:58] <Odie_> raspberry pi's own camera module?
[13:59] <Odie_> I dont understand what you are trying to do, and with what tools
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[13:59] <Odie_> I'd like to use just one camera and use it for both live/stored feed
[13:59] <hanfm> something like the raspberry pi's own camera, i guess something like a better webcam
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[13:59] <hanfm> like i said, i need one camera inside a birdhouse, one camrea outside
[14:00] <Odie_> ok
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[14:00] <Odie_> if you want full hd quality, you need to remember that it doesn't fit into usb2 without compression
[14:00] <hanfm> ok
[14:00] <Odie_> there are some higher priced webcams that can produce full hd h. 264 stream
[14:01] <Odie_> that works fine with usb2
[14:01] <Odie_> raspberrys own camera is not too good on low light
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[14:01] <hanfm> the live stream doesn't need the best resolution, but the video scenes should be analyzed, to find out, what food the birds catched
[14:02] <Odie_> but I guess that same issue is with most cameras, they like light
[14:02] <hanfm> i nedd additionally an IR-sensor, because the cameras should be working at night too
[14:03] <hanfm> but that should be no problem
[14:03] <Odie_> does camera without ir filter work for you?
[14:03] <Odie_> + ir leds
[14:03] <hanfm> i can take extra ir led, thats should be no problem
[14:03] <Odie_> (you can get even the raspberry's own camera without ir filter)
[14:04] <Odie_> costs bit more than the regular one, but not much
[14:05] <hanfm> ok. what about mobile communication? is there a certain umts interface for a raspberry or should i just take an usb one?
[14:06] <hanfm> the videodata should be transfered to a server, so i need mobile communcation
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[14:07] <Odie_> just see which usb sticks are supported by linux and you should be fine
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[14:07] <Odie_> I'd guess most of them work
[14:07] <hanfm> ok
[14:07] <hanfm> thank you
[14:08] <hanfm> does anyone have experience with a solar power supply for a raspberry pi?
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[14:11] <hanfm> i read something about a better voltage controller in the raspberry pi b+. that would be not bad for solar energy, right? maybe an external voltage controller might be better?
[14:12] <Odie_> I would think thats not that much relevant to pi. The only pi relevant issue would be the output voltage (5V) and to have enough batterrey capacitance
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[14:12] <Odie_> hanfm: I'd get solar setup that outputs 5V
[14:12] <leio> b+ consumes less electricity than b
[14:13] <Odie_> you need to have big enough battery to run the pi for the night
[14:13] <hanfm> yes, thats the plan
[14:13] <Odie_> and big enough solar panel to charge up the battery during daylight time on cloudy day
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[14:13] <hanfm> leio, thats an important information, thak you
[14:13] <Odie_> also the cameras / mobile connection takes juice
[14:14] <leio> depends on the use case; for some 1W less
[14:14] <Odie_> + ir leds, depending on how powerful you run
[14:14] <hanfm> maybe 20Watts are enough for that
[14:14] <hanfm> depends on the cameras
[14:14] <leio> I think the savings aren't that relevant to use cases where you would be using a model A
[14:14] <Odie_> and for solar cells if you dont track the sun, you dont get the maximum power output from them
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[14:15] <shiftplusone> a+ should be pretty good for solar
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[14:16] <hanfm> shiftplusone, whats the advantage?
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[14:17] <Odie_> on the camera setup; It might be fun to record always, so that when your motion sensor triggers, you could take the previous 5s from it aswell
[14:17] <shiftplusone> hanfm, lower power usage than the A
[14:17] <hanfm> the energy supply is not that important for now, its an optional requirement
[14:17] <Odie_> this increases the used power if course
[14:17] <Odie_> shiftplusone: does it matter if you stream live video through mobile connection?
[14:18] <Odie_> I'd think that that stream takes order of magnitude more than what the model a would save
[14:18] <shiftplusone> I suspect the difference is rather insignificant when compares to what the other devices will be using.
[14:18] <Odie_> (my opinion is a guess aswel)
[14:18] <shiftplusone> *compared
[14:18] <hanfm> shiftplusone, i guess you are right. i have to save enrgy in every part
[14:19] <Odie_> depends on how cheap you want to go on the components
[14:19] <shiftplusone> but, if you're idle or halted, then the difference in power consumption would be huge
[14:19] <Odie_> if you have some money to spend, I'd guess power is not problem
[14:20] <Odie_> but if you try to get this working with less than $100, then there may be issues
[14:20] <hanfm> it should be not more than 300euro in total
[14:20] <Odie_> check what kind of solar gear you get by that price
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[14:20] <Odie_> + battery
[14:21] <hanfm> 30€ for 20watts, 12v on amazon
[14:21] <hanfm> if the project becomes too expensive, its not justified
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[14:22] <hanfm> there are better alternatives then
[14:24] <hanfm> but would you say overall that the raspberry pi is suitable for that project?
[14:24] <hanfm> humming board might be an alternative
[14:25] <Odie_> I would think you can do it with raspberry
[14:25] <Odie_> worth to investigate more
[14:26] <Odie_> I'm interseted my self to build up one working with solar power
[14:26] <Odie_> here it might be harder since during winter days are short
[14:26] <hanfm> ok. and a+ has less energy requirements?
[14:26] <Odie_> and its often cloudy
[14:27] <Odie_> http://www.raspi.today/raspberry-pi-model-a-plus-released-in-a-few-months/
[14:27] <hanfm> this could be a problem, for me too. but fortunately on the testing place, there is an energy supplication
[14:28] <hanfm> so the energy supply is a subordinated target
[14:29] <Odie_> original a- model had just one usb port iirc
[14:29] <Odie_> you'd need two
[14:31] <hanfm> i can take an usb hub, also for the enrgy supply. do you think, the raspberry can take serve all the needed components without an additional energy supplication?
[14:31] <Odie_> you can power the pi from the usb port aswell
[14:31] <Odie_> then the usb devices get the power directly from there
[14:32] <Odie_> and the question becomes if your power supply is good enough
[14:32] <hanfm> i need more than 2 usb ports, at least 2 for the cameras and one for the umts stick
[14:32] <Odie_> raspberrys own camera does not use usb port
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[14:32] <Odie_> so that camera+webcam+stick = 2 usb slots
[14:32] <Odie_> usb hub will also use energy
[14:32] <Odie_> (no idea how much)
[14:33] <hanfm> if the camera fits the requirements, i would choose the raspberrys own camera for the live stream
[14:33] <hanfm> i would take an usb hub with a separate power supply
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[14:35] <Odie_> I had issues on powering things of the b-model's usb port, that I solved with y-cable that allows me to power the pi directly from the usb port, but still allowing me to connect devices to it
[14:35] <Odie_> I also have powered usb hub for other use
[14:36] <Odie_> the others might be able to tell how much power will the raspberry draw, but it would be easiest to just build the system and see what the actual consumption is, because lot will depend on the actual stuff that you use
[14:36] <Odie_> you could probably save a lot if you can keep cameras/network in idle until motion is triggered
[14:37] <Odie_> but if you want to have live feed, it will consume lots more
[14:37] <hanfm> yes, thats right. but the live stream is not that important. the most important ist, that the camera is fast enough to catch the bird
[14:38] <Odie_> ??
[14:38] <hanfm> capture the bird
[14:38] <hanfm> record
[14:38] <Odie_> usually cameras film in 30fps
[14:38] <Odie_> and you don't know if thats enough for you?
[14:39] <hanfm> on, the problem is the reaction on the motion sensor
[14:39] <Odie_> thats why I suggested; film always
[14:39] <Odie_> and when you get reaction from sensor
[14:39] <Odie_> go back 5seconds, and start storing
[14:40] <Odie_> dont store as default, but store 5seconds before the sensor fired
[14:40] <hanfm> think of a bird flying and jumping around and you have to capture it in the right moment, because if the record starts to slow, the bird is away
[14:40] <Odie_> STORE VIDEO ALWAYS TO MEMORY
[14:40] <Odie_> KEEP 5 SECONDS OF IT RAM
[14:40] <hanfm> yes i thought of that. the disadvantage is the higher energy demand
[14:40] <Odie_> WHEN MOTION -> START RECORDING AND STORE THAT 5s
[14:41] <Odie_> I would think that if you have big battery you can easily run raspberry with that for more than 24h
[14:41] <hanfm> it has to work for about 2 months
[14:42] <Odie_> and replacing the battery once a day is too much?
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[14:42] <Odie_> like bringing 2nd car battery and taking the old tone to be charged
[14:42] <hanfm> i will be attached high in a tree, so that could be critically
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[14:42] <Odie_> there is invetion called wires
[14:42] <Odie_> they can be quite long
[14:43] <hanfm> another problem might be possible vandalism, so it would be best, if everything is on the tree
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[14:45] <hanfm> there are several requirements to note, making this complex
[14:46] <hanfm> but thanks for your suggestions so far
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[23:57] <ttsk8r> does anyone here know much about phototransistors?

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