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[2:11] <ChromiumTrees> Hello
[2:28] <trumee> is there any way i can manual download packages and install them offline?
[2:28] <trumee> i wanted libsvga1 and links2 packages.
[2:29] <trumee> My Rpi is not directly connected to the internet
[2:29] <PhotoJim> yes but you have to also manually download all the packages for their dependencies, so it's difficult unless you're knowledgeable
[2:29] <PhotoJim> it'd be easier to temporarily connect it to the Internet
[2:29] <trumee> PhotoJim: i want to install links2 and its dependency is libsvga1
[2:30] <trumee> PhotoJim: my internet is broken, hence i cant connect it directly (and links2 will help me fix it)
[2:30] <PhotoJim> download the .deb packages, dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb
[2:30] <trumee> PhotoJim: from where?
[2:30] <PhotoJim> you'll have to find them on the Raspbian mirror
[2:31] <PhotoJim> check /etc/apt/sources.list to see what the repository's URL is
[2:31] <PhotoJim> go there, surf until you find the .deb files you need
[2:32] <trumee> PhotoJim: i cant find libsvga1 at http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libs/
[2:33] <trumee> This is my sources.list http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[2:34] <PhotoJim> trumee: http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/
[2:34] <PhotoJim> They seem to be in there
[2:35] <PhotoJim> I've never actually done this, so if it breaks, I probably can't help you :)
[2:35] <trumee> PhotoJim: nope libsvag1 is not in http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libs/
[2:35] <trumee> *libsvga1
[2:35] <PhotoJim> there are a lot of lib... subdirectories in there
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[2:36] <trumee> PhotoJim: can you paste the url of libsvga1
[2:36] <PhotoJim> I don't have time to hunt for it, sorry
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[2:37] <trumee> PhotoJim: its not in the /libs folder there
[2:38] <PhotoJim> look in lib3, liba, libb, libc, ...
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[2:41] <trumee> PhotoJim: libsvga1 should be under libs and not liba, and its not there
[2:42] <trumee> PhotoJim: these folders are alphabetical and it should be only in lib's' and not lib'a'
[2:42] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure where it would be then
[2:43] <PhotoJim> but it's somewhere on that server
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[2:51] <trumee> PhotoJim: found it, http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/s/svgalib/
[2:51] <PhotoJim> oh good
[2:51] <PhotoJim> I knew it was in there somewhere
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[3:13] <thegrid> can you tell me about the raspberry pi gpios and raspbian?
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[4:06] <thegrid_> hello. how can i get hdmi output?
[4:13] <vagrantc> trumee: you want the apt-offline package, or something similar
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[5:56] <wagonboi> is this kit reasonably priced? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G1PNG54/ref=twister_B00DG9D5U4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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[6:00] <wagonboi> also.. if I want to pull info from the internet into a program that I create, which will then activate io pins attached to a relay, should I use arduino or raspberry pi? Rpi is cheaper and I can add wifi with a USB adapter, and also easily set up a web ui for my program
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[6:19] <x-bert> wagonboi: hmm i think i found one for less than that
[6:20] <x-bert> oh but that includes the pi and a case, then yes
[6:20] <x-bert> that's a good price
[6:20] <x-bert> and ac adapter and wifi, even better
[6:20] <x-bert> wagonboi: i would say rpi
[6:21] <wagonboi> ok, thanks x-bert
[6:21] <x-bert> i dont know arduino well but afaik it's just the microcontroller to which you flash code to
[6:21] <x-bert> rpi will run linux from which you can get online and do lots of stuff
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[6:26] <wagonboi> excellent, just what I needed
[6:28] <wagonboi> gonna sleep, thanks for your help. good night
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[7:40] <j416> something happened, process ate all IO and all crashed
[7:40] <j416> now I'm in read-only filesystem and can't even sudo reboot "-bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error"
[7:40] <j416> how can I recover?
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[7:45] <j416> help D:
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[10:39] <nohnoh> List
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[12:04] <kilbith> hi there, i've broken systemd in upgrading my repo to jessie; i can only use my RPi atm and i'd like to re-write a new raspbian image (wheezy) through my actual raspbian, is it possible ?
[12:05] <kilbith> (it sounds like 'self-cannibalism', i know...)
[12:08] <kilbith> someonr could help please ?
[12:09] <diederik> wouldn't it be easier to try to fix your issue? You could also learn a thing or two by doing that
[12:10] <diederik> btw: don't expect to get an answer within minutes. It might happen, but more likely it'll take more time
[12:18] <kilbith> ok, so the systemd is stucked at dbus message blah-blah...
[12:18] <kilbith> that's out of my competence
[12:19] <kilbith> i'd prefer install a clean image instead of tricking a mess
[12:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> kilbith, if you are running off the SD card then there is no way to remove it and put a different one in to write to it.
[12:22] <kilbith> yeah, that's what I expected
[12:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> you would have to create an image on a USB card and transfer to that after booting from the SD.
[12:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> once you are running on the USB then you can unmount the SD and format it and do whatever you want.
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[12:23] <kilbith> ok, and does i have to set something special in the config.txt for booting on USB ?
[12:23] <Lambda_Aurigae> http://www.raspipress.com/2013/05/install-and-run-raspbian-from-a-usb-flash-drive/
[12:24] <kilbith> ok, will try that
[12:24] <kilbith> thanks for the help :)
[12:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> welcome.
[12:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> just remember
[12:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> you ALWAYS have to have a functional boot SD to boot the PI
[12:25] <Lambda_Aurigae> it can not boot just from a USB.
[12:25] <kilbith> ok, guess it check at first glance for SD card
[12:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> what happens is you boot from the SD then it mounts the / partition from the USB rather than from the second partition of the SD.
[12:28] <kilbith> btw, when moving the windows in Jessie, there's a sort of 'latency', quite slow...
[12:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> no clue on that one...I have heard of Jessie but no clue what it is.
[12:29] <shiftplusone> kilbith, how did you install it?
[12:29] <kilbith> Epiphany don't works at all though
[12:29] <kilbith> by editing the sources.list and dist-upgrade
[12:29] <shiftplusone> and you have fbturbo installed
[12:29] <shiftplusone> ?
[12:31] <kilbith> you mean '
[12:31] <kilbith> xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo ?
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[12:33] <kilbith> apt-get says that those packages (and their deps) are missing/no installation candidate blah blah
[12:34] <kilbith> well, better to return on the dusty wheezy
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[12:40] <kilbith> damn, i get an error when i connect an usb key : "Not authorized to perform operation"
[12:40] <kilbith> can't mount/open it at all
[12:41] <kilbith> go burn in hell, Jessie >:(
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[12:53] <Lambda_Aurigae> have to be root or have it in the fstab.
[12:54] <kilbith> udisks found it as sda1
[12:55] <kilbith> and indeed, have to be root
[12:55] <kilbith> thanks again
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[12:56] <McPeppr> Just installes irssi and wanted to say "Hello World". :)
[12:58] <kilbith> hello
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[14:58] <heller__> anyone familiar with rrdtool?
[14:58] <heller__> how could i use rrdtool to log data, so that it sees even one second stuff
[14:59] <heller__> i want to to read fast changes in a sensor
[14:59] <heller__> so crontab cant do it
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[15:06] <feliks> heller__: write a bash script and use 'sleep 1'
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[15:12] <heller__> right
[15:13] <McPeppr> The 1wire sensors aren't updated so fast. you can experiment a little with sleep 1, as proposed, but it's really not that fast.
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[15:15] <McPeppr> If you readout different sensors such as DHT22 with the Adafruit-libs, it will be as fast as you do the job. As I know, rddtool will just listen to the folders which are updated by the system
[15:15] <heller__> who says anything about 1-wire? :)
[15:16] <heller__> actually yes, ill be doing onewire with maybe 5sec readouts
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[15:20] <McPeppr> you can read out your DS18B20 quickly by this command: cat /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1/*/w1_slave
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[15:48] <McPeppr> while true; do cat /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1/*/w1_slave | grep -A 1 YES | grep t= | cut -c30-34; sleep 1; done
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[16:08] <McPeppr> or if you want to fill a file...
[16:08] <McPeppr> while true; do echo -n "$(date '+%D %T'); " >> output.csv; cat /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1/*/w1_slave | grep -A 1 YES | grep -m 1 t= | cut -c30- >> output.csv; sleep 1; done
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[17:57] <ubuntu0001> Can I use debian repositories in rasbian?
[17:58] <leio> binary repositories, not really, most of it is built to armv7 afaik
[17:58] <ubuntu0001> Thank you
[17:59] <leio> a main reason raspian exists is to have all the packages rebuilt to armv6
[18:00] <ubuntu0001> Are the raspbian repositories slow to add security updates from debian?
[18:02] <shiftplusone> no
[18:04] <ubuntu0001> I am reading the Raspbian FAQ now that I have found it
[18:05] <ubuntu0001> shiftplusone: Does it build automatically from debian's security releases?
[18:06] <shiftplusone> I don't think it happens automatically, but plugwash (the maintainer) is on top of things. I haven't seen things go unpatched for more than a day.
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[18:07] <ubuntu0001> Thank you plugwash!
[18:07] <shiftplusone> The annoying thing is that people run around like headless chickens on the forum and IRC asking "How do I fix this!?" for a week after it has already been fixed. >_<
[18:08] <ubuntu0001> Sorry, I think I would be one of those headless chickens
[18:08] <shiftplusone> hehe.... well the thing to do is to check the CVE and then run apt-cache policy on the package to determine if you're running the fixed version.
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[18:10] <ubuntu0001> I am about to order a raspberry pi, but the many different boards make me hesistate
[18:10] <shiftplusone> What do you intend to do with it?
[18:12] <ubuntu0001> I would use it as a general computer, the prebuilt repositories are very convenient and attractive
[18:13] <shiftplusone> ah... general computer is a bit vague, but I'm thinking one of the other boards might make more sense... if not a PC.
[18:13] <ubuntu0001> I'm stuck between the rasberry pi and the A13-OLinuxino
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[18:14] <shiftplusone> The way I see it is, yes there are boards with extra features and faster processors. But they cost more. In addition to a markup needed to keep those board manufacturers profitable, you're paying for the extra features as well. In my case, those features are absolutely useless to me, so I would only be paying extra for nothing.
[18:14] <ubuntu0001> Exactly! Most of the other boards are too expensive
[18:14] <shiftplusone> But there are definitely cases where you'll want those features and having the extra processing power would surely make a nicer desktop experience.
[18:15] <ubuntu0001> But the A13 happens to be priced around the same because of free shipping, and I like the open hardware nature of it
[18:15] <shiftplusone> The pi is great until you fire up the browser and visit anything crippled by javascript
[18:15] <shiftplusone> Don't fall for the 'open hardware' bs. None of these boards are open hardware.
[18:15] <ubuntu0001> They're not?
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[18:16] <ubuntu0001> I'm reading PCWorld and am not in the know about these things
[18:17] <shiftplusone> The fact that they have an ARM on them already makes them closed. ARM goes after people trying to implement their cores on FPGAs rather quickly.
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[18:17] <shiftplusone> Then you have other chips which more than likely run custom firmware
[18:17] <ubuntu0001> So you mean that the board layout may be open but the components are all proprietary?
[18:17] <shiftplusone> hell, sd cards all have proprietary firmware on them to do things like wear levelling.
[18:18] <ubuntu0001> I was almost taken in
[18:18] <shiftplusone> it depends on the definition, I guess
[18:18] <ubuntu0001> 'open hardware' layout with fully proprietary components...
[18:18] <shiftplusone> Maybe all that "open hardware" means to you is that you could, in theory, make your own version from their design files.
[18:19] <shiftplusone> (assuming you pay the relevant license fees to ARM, MPEG LA and whoever else you'll need to pay to use the proprietary parts in your hardware)
[18:19] <ubuntu0001> :-(
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[18:20] <ubuntu0001> Does not look like there is any benefit to being 'open hardware', am I concluding too soon?
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[18:20] <shiftplusone> The thing that people often complain about is the closed firmware on the pi which is required to boot. Normally, it would live somewhere on a chip and nobody would see it. In the case of the pi, it's in plain sight on the sd card, next to the linux kernel, so it's much more obvious that it's there.
[18:20] <shiftplusone> I don't know
[18:21] <shiftplusone> depends on what you think those benefits are.
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[18:21] <shiftplusone> If there was a truly open board with anywhere near the performance of a pi, I'd be all over it.
[18:21] <ubuntu0001> I don't know enough to know what to do with the PCB files, let me do a quick google search
[18:21] <ubuntu0001> shiftplusone: I was attracted to the Novena Open Laptop, but the cost is prohibitive for me
[18:22] <shiftplusone> Which could be happening http://www.lowrisc.org/ (a few of the people involved in Raspberry Pi are involved there as well)
[18:22] <ubuntu0001> I think Stallman runs a lemote yeelong chinese laptop
[18:23] <shiftplusone> I'll have to look that one up
[18:24] <ubuntu0001> Lowrisc's open nature sounds good, and makes me wonder why the chinese hardware is not open source
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[18:25] <ubuntu0001> shiftplusone: I think I will go with the raspbian card for now because of the repositories
[18:25] <shiftplusone> I guess the issue, if you're going to compare pi to other platforms is that we don't provide gerber files
[18:26] <shiftplusone> hell, the b+ doesn't even come with full schematics, just a cut-down version with the essentials there.
[18:26] <shiftplusone> I'm not particularly bothered by any of that since you know... I work for raspberry pi and have access anyway, but I can see how that can make the pi unattractive and 'closed'
[18:27] <ubuntu0001> Perhaps it is a business decision, although I don't know why it benefits a company to keep the hardware layout secret
[18:28] <ubuntu0001> Yes, it seems more mysterious the more I think about it
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[22:36] <secknv_> hi guys
[22:36] <secknv_> erm I have a somewhat stupid question
[22:36] * BManojlovic (~steki@opensuse/member/bmanojlovic) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[22:37] <secknv_> can anyone explai to me what this does: "$ sudo usermod $USER -aG dialout"
[22:37] <secknv_> ?
[22:37] <shiftplusone> Adds the user in the USER variable to the dialout group
[22:37] <shiftplusone> which is generally needed to allow the user to access certain devices.
[22:38] <lookshe> man usermod ftw!
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[22:42] <secknv_> what is the USER variable exactly?
[22:43] <lookshe> your current user, but it depends on the shell i think
[22:43] <lookshe> but in most cases you current user
[22:43] <lookshe> check it with "echo $USER"
[22:45] <secknv_> cool
[22:45] <secknv_> thanks
[22:46] <secknv_> it says "pi" in my case, so yeah it's the current xD
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[22:51] <secknv_> i just did sudo usermod $USER -aG dialout
[22:51] <secknv_> how can I check if it worked?
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[22:52] <lookshe> groups
[22:53] <lookshe> or take a look in /etc/group
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[22:53] <secknv_> if it worked I should see dialout written there right?
[22:54] <secknv_> wait
[22:54] <secknv_> I typed groups and a lot of them popped up including dialout
[22:54] <secknv_> does that mean it worked?~
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[22:55] <lookshe> if you were not in this group before, than yes
[22:56] <secknv_> ok cool thanks again
[22:56] <secknv_> :D
[22:56] <methuzla> cat /etc/group | grep dialout | grep pi
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[22:58] <secknv_> dialout:x:20:pi
[22:58] <secknv_> it said that
[22:59] <secknv_> i'm a noob with all of this so I dont really know what cat /etc/group | grep dialout | grep pi means
[22:59] <lookshe> it tells you the same, the user pi is in group dialout
[22:59] <vagrantc> "getent group dialout" would be easier to check
[23:00] <lookshe> methuzla: useless use of cat btw ;)
[23:00] <jjido> id pi :p
[23:01] <secknv_> cool thanks again guys
[23:02] <secknv_> this is why I love irc
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[23:02] <secknv_> everyone is always so helpful xD
[23:03] <lookshe> lol, not everywhere
[23:03] <lookshe> on many channels you get only "RTFM" as answer to your questions
[23:04] <secknv_> well then I usually ask where can i find said manual and they tell me xD
[23:04] <secknv_> it happened just an hour ago hahaha
[23:05] <lookshe> i told you too ;) "man usermod" is to get the manual page for the command usermod
[23:07] <arpad_______> /quit
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[23:10] <secknv_> (º—º)
[23:10] <secknv_> i'm too retarded to even think that was a command
[23:11] <secknv_> really I thought you were just saying something like "dude "usermod" ftw!"
[23:11] <secknv_> lololololol
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[23:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> man is manual in linuxian
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[23:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> like ls is list
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[23:48] <secknv_> yes but me very such linux noob wow
[23:48] <secknv_> xD
[23:49] <Lambda_Aurigae> not to try to be insulting...but,,,"Linux for Dummies" is a great book.
[23:49] <secknv_> yes I've thought about buying that book many times
[23:49] <Lambda_Aurigae> I've given it as a gift to many people.
[23:49] <secknv_> maybe i should get it for christmas xD
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[23:50] <secknv_> woah that's a great idea actually
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[23:50] <secknv_> with everyone asking me what I want
[23:51] <secknv_> thanks :D
[23:51] <Lambda_Aurigae> welcome.
[23:54] <secknv_> oh well i gotta go get some sleep
[23:54] <secknv_> good night
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