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[0:57] <Jckf> How do I remove the raspberry icon at the top of the screen when botting and in the shell?
[0:57] <Jckf> *booting
[0:59] <Jckf> Never mind =)
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[5:25] <batabatu> I'm having problems with raspberry pi corrupting my SD cards. I've tried different brands etc and have tested my power supply to ensure that isn't the problem. In my last test, I had everything running but when I issued the command "shutdown -r now" the pi never restarted. Is it possible that this command is somehow the reason that the pi corrupts the memory cards?
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[6:12] <heller_> TheSnide: but i dont have keyboard on my raspberry pi
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[6:29] <batabatu> i shutdown my pi using "sudo shutdown -h now" and wait a minute after the leds stop flashing. I pull the USB power and re insert it to boot the pi.... Nothing happens. The red power led comes on but no other activity. Any suggestions?
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[6:30] <batabatu> I've repeated this several times now, each time I have to go and reformat the SD card. I've checked power supply, measured the voltage across TP1 and TP2 (5.09V) and checked the voltage drop across F3 (minimal).
[6:30] <batabatu> I've also tried several SD cards.
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[11:01] <vroomfondel> I'm having problems understanding how SDcards work in Linux. Not really a Raspberry problem but may I ask here?
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[11:07] <shiftplusone> vroomfondel: I don't see why not
[11:08] <ppq> vroomfondel, they will be detected as a block device (like a HDD). you can access it using a device file which lives in /dev. with this device file you can create a file system (fat32, in most cases) und mount it to a given path. on that path you can then access your files
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[11:13] <vroomfondel> thanks, that is not what I don't understand. When I "dd" onto a SDcard, everything there is overwritten, right (unless I "skip" blocks)? That means, the partition table in block 0 and the filesystems inside the partitions get written verbatim from the in-file.
[11:14] <shiftplusone> yes, except for the space at the end of the card that's beyond the size of the image, of course.
[11:15] <vroomfondel> I saw some guys in the forums doing a mkfs afterwards but that is completely counterproductive in my eyes, it does overwrite what I dd'ed before, doesn't it?
[11:15] <shiftplusone> depends on what they're doing and why. Link?
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[11:16] <vroomfondel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=82402
[11:17] <vroomfondel> I am talking about a given Raspberry image. This one should be complete, with filesystems and all, right?
[11:17] <ppq> a mkfs does not necessarily overwrite any data. but it's not common to count on that outside of data rescue scenarios.
[11:17] <shiftplusone> Shoka's post? I think he's just talking about mkfs as a debug step he took to try to figure out what the issue he's having is.
[11:18] <shiftplusone> But yes, the image is complete with MBR and filesystems. No need to do anything extra other than resize it once you're written it.
[11:18] <shiftplusone> raspi-config can do it for you
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[11:19] <vroomfondel> do you verify the images usually after writing them on the SDcard? I had corrupt images in about 4 out of 5 tries
[11:19] <shiftplusone> never
[11:19] <shiftplusone> write, sync, pop it in the pi.
[11:19] <vroomfondel> errmm...sync?
[11:20] <shiftplusone> literally the command 'sync'
[11:20] <vroomfondel> I umounted only
[11:20] <shiftplusone> you don't want it mounted in the first place
[11:20] <shiftplusone> In fact, make sure it isn't
[11:20] <shiftplusone> umount, dd, sync, done.
[11:20] <vroomfondel> ah...
[11:20] <shiftplusone> sync makes sure that the data is actually written and not just in memory.
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[11:56] <quantum-x> hey, quick question - I've got a script I'm running to flick some GPIO pins. It uses a lockfile to determine if there's a concurrent instance, but because of the slight, but inherent dely between starting the program and checking the file, I'm seeing race conditions. What's a better way than lockfile? The other instance oesn't need cleanp, could I simply issue a killall to the other processes, if any, on program startup?
[12:03] <shiftplusone> I'm not sure that makes sense
[12:04] <shiftplusone> Why would you have a race condition between the time you start the program and check the file.
[12:05] <quantum-x> shiftplusone, well, because I'm seeing that in the procedure that checks if the lock file exists
[12:05] <quantum-x> and the part the removes the lock file - the lock has already been removed by another process
[12:05] <quantum-x> so it's inherently flawed :)
[12:06] <shiftplusone> You shouldn't have a situation where you have a lock that you can remove if it doesn't belong to you in the first place.
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[12:06] <quantum-x> shiftplusone, I'm not saying it was well coded ;)
[12:07] <shiftplusone> can you pastebin a simple testcase of a few lines where the issue can be reproduced. I suspect you're using them wrong.
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[12:07] <shiftplusone> lockfiles are a way to get rid of race conditions, so... yeah.
[12:07] <quantum-x> shiftplusone, https://gist.github.com/quantum-x/df69a3ddabf33f43c0cb
[12:07] <shiftplusone> bah... python!
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[12:08] <quantum-x> and I'm getting exceptions thrown on line 48
[12:08] <quantum-x> and then have two concurrent processes
[12:09] <shiftplusone> I... don't like any of that =P. Sorry, can't help other than to rewrite it.
[12:10] <quantum-x> shiftplusone, no expectations on rewriting my code
[12:10] <quantum-x> but pointers how to do it properly would be appreciated
[12:11] <shiftplusone> I've got nothing
[12:12] <shiftplusone> Maybe it all makes sense for what you want to do, I don't know. I'll be honest in that I haven't taken the time to understand it.
[12:13] <Halbard> Hi, plugwash is not here?
[12:13] <quantum-x> shiftplusone, all I am trying to do is fairly simple: if a concurrent process exists, nuke it.
[12:14] <shiftplusone> yeah, I got that part, but even that seems like the wrong approach.
[12:15] <quantum-x> well, the other is to write a daemon that does LED control, and then issue it commnds
[12:15] <quantum-x> that seems like the right way
[12:15] <quantum-x> but it also seems like a gateway to memory leaks :)
[12:16] <Halbard> I have troubles recovering my raspbian system after ruining it by installing Debian packages...
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[12:22] <asidjazz> trying out https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes hopefully
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[13:29] <TheSnide> heller_: /etc/rc.local to start a screen session on the first console, and connect to that later
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[14:30] <jgaz> test
[14:33] <shiftplusone> EFAIL
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[15:19] <jl-> is it recommended to do apt-get upgrade on the pi?
[15:19] <jl-> I'm seeing apt is searching wheezy packages
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[15:20] <shiftplusone> yes
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[15:23] <jl-> what about dist-upgrade ?
[15:24] <shiftplusone> yes =P
[15:24] <ppq> updates are generally a good idea ;)
[15:24] <shiftplusone> dist-upgrade is the same as upgrade, it just does the extra step of checking for new dependencies, which doesn't happen often.
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[15:31] <jl-> I keep getting this error. I'm wondering if the card is still corrupt even though I had a new install via NOOBS
[15:31] <jl-> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'libgtk-3-bin' is missing final newline
[15:31] <jl-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[15:31] <jl-> I seem to be unable to resolve this with just apt
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[15:34] <shiftplusone> why is dpkg even looking at that package? is it the same package it complained about last time?
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[15:34] <shiftplusone> Also, where did you get the sd card?
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[15:46] <heller_> TheSnide: first console is HDMI(TV)? But how to make it login too?
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[15:52] <jl-> shiftplusone: it's a sony
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[15:53] <shiftplusone> Not sure that's an answer to a 'where' question.
[15:55] <jl-> shiftplusone: amazon
[15:55] <jl-> not sure if there was a 3rd party seller etc.
[15:55] <jl-> does it matter?
[15:56] <jl-> it seems to be an authentic sony bard
[15:56] <jl-> I think I corrupted the card earlier when I unplugged the pi while it was writing
[15:56] <shiftplusone> Yes, it matters because they all seem authentic.
[15:56] <shiftplusone> And it's nice to rule out the obvious potential problems first before digging deeper.
[15:57] <jl-> well it's been working great for half a year, it's been my openvpn server every day
[15:57] <jl-> any suggestions on how to proceed
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[15:58] <shiftplusone> Nope, there's not really enough to go on. I don't know about what you have installed/running, what power supply you have, how often it fails, whether it's reproducible and so on.
[15:59] <jl-> I wiped it three days ago I just have a barebone raspbian with apache server right now
[15:59] <jl-> and irssi
[15:59] <jl-> I am on it as we are speaking
[16:00] <jl-> I got this error today when I wanted to install vim
[16:00] <shiftplusone> does that include mysql?
[16:00] <jl-> I did try to install mysql but I got the same error today
[16:01] <shiftplusone> which barebone raspbian? raspbian-ua-netinst?
[16:02] <jl-> the one that comes with NOOBS
[16:02] <jl-> not sure which oen that would be
[16:02] <shiftplusone> there isn't a barebone raspbian that comes with NOOBS (yet)
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[16:41] <jl-> shiftplusone: is there a card on amazon by a seller you could recommend?
[16:43] <shiftplusone> Nope, I swear by the 'official' card. http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
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[16:43] <shiftplusone> Though I think it's too early to say that the card is the problem, so there' no point wasting money on a new one for no reason
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[16:57] <jl-> http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-8GB-Preloaded-NOOBS-Card/dp/B00ENPQ1GK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418662602&sr=8-1&keywords=noobs&pebp=1418662607247
[16:57] <jl-> amazon also has it
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[16:58] <jl-> lol appearently the preloaded software is from 2013 on that
[16:58] <jl-> nvm the link
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[17:16] <jl-> shiftplusone: will 16 GB work on the pi? I seem to see msot ppl use 8
[17:17] <shiftplusone> Yeah
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[18:00] <heller_> anyone use github?
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[18:00] <heller_> i have a repo which contains all files in a folder. i want to remove all files except one from github repo. how can i do it without removing files from local folder?
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[18:07] <shiftplusone> heller_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1143796/remove-a-file-from-a-git-repository-without-deleting-it-from-the-local-filesyste
[18:10] <heller_> thanks
[18:11] <shiftplusone> google \O/
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[18:33] <heller_> true
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[18:50] <heller_> right place to put stuff which i want to run on boot, crontab @reboot or /etc/rc.local ?
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[18:53] <jakllsch> heller_: i'd lean towards rc.local
[18:54] <heller_> why?
[18:55] <heller_> and what does it mean by execute bit?
[18:55] <heller_> it says that it need to be enabled
[18:57] <shiftplusone> I'd go with 'depends'
[18:57] <shiftplusone> and I think it's referring to permissions. chmod +x whatever.sh, for example.
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[19:01] <heller_> hmm
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[19:03] <heller_> hmph. im trying to make a .py run at boot. its a shutdown button
[19:04] <heller_> if i do sudo python blaablaa.py it works, but not at boot
[19:05] <shiftplusone> Sometimes, I feel like compiling a list of all the things people do wrong in rc.local.
[19:05] <heller_> well, i put it to crontab :P
[19:05] <shiftplusone> Well, that's a whole other list XD
[19:07] <heller_> i've used crontab to start irssi and such at reboot, with success.
[19:07] <heller_> so i went with familiar road
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[19:07] <heller_> and i saw that the script is running
[19:07] <heller_> with crontab
[19:07] <heller_> but not working
[19:07] <heller_> now trying rc.local
[19:08] <heller_> well now it works
[19:08] <heller_> but the god damn boot gets stuck on the scripts :D
[19:08] <heller_> -s
[19:09] <shiftplusone> throw a & at the end of the line
[19:09] <heller_> too late now
[19:09] <heller_> :p
[19:09] <heller_> ah no worries
[19:09] <heller_> ssh got up
[19:10] <heller_> works
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[19:14] <shiftplusone> yay
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[19:34] <diederik_> shiftplusone: would be great if you'd do the rc.local list :)
[19:34] <shiftplusone> diederik_: yeah but that would require you know.... time. =P
[19:35] <diederik_> a list bot with common questions + answers sounds like a good idea
[19:35] <diederik_> ah yeah, I'm familiar with that issue :-P
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[19:37] <shiftplusone> It's not that I don't have time though. It's just that if I do pi stuff all day at work, after work, I no longer feel like doing pi stuff (as much as I love doing pi stuff). >.>
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[19:38] <diederik_> yeah, quite understandable. Can't you do it as part of your work?
[19:39] <shiftplusone> Have a bit of a todo list already.
[19:39] <diederik_> lol
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[20:35] <hellais> hello
[20:35] <hellais> what's the process of getting some piece of software part of rasbian?
[20:36] <ppq> know the right people and ask nicely, i'd say
[20:38] <hellais> so I guess it's ideal to introduce myself, I am a Tor developer working on an internet censorship monitoring project called OONI
[20:38] * twolife is now known as twolife`
[20:38] <hellais> we developped a tool called ooniprobe, that runs measurements from network vantage points that are of interest
[20:39] <hellais> the data collected is then made public and people make fancy graphs with them like: http://reports.ooni.nu/analytics/bridge_reachability/timeline/
[20:39] <hellais> we already have a raspberry-pi image here: https://github.com/anadahz/lepidopter, but was investigating a possible more "official" support for it.
[20:40] <hellais> we already inside of debian testing and have an ubuntu ppa.
[20:40] <hellais> and are inside of homebrew
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[20:44] <diederik_> hellais: tell plugwash about it when he is online
[20:46] <hellais> ah, somebody from the sysadmin team just got back to me and they can say they can install ooniprobe with apt-get install ooniprobe on a stcok raspberry pi install
[20:47] <hellais> this happens because the debian repos are there
[20:47] <hellais> that is ooniprobe is in the debian repos, hence can be installed on a stock raspberry pi image
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[20:48] <diederik_> that's not really correct, but it can be done in your case
[20:48] <hellais> does raspbian always have http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main armhf in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[20:48] <diederik_> (since it's arch independent)
[20:48] <hellais> or is this not standard?
[20:48] <diederik_> no, and that would ruin ppls os in most cases
[20:48] <hellais> ah ok
[20:49] <diederik_> debian armhf != raspbian armhf
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[20:49] <hellais> so what would be the "official" raspbian way of doing it?
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[20:49] <diederik_> you got the most important part ... getting it into debian
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[20:50] <diederik_> then to also get it into raspbian, is pinging the 'ftp-master' of it, which is plugwash
[20:50] <hellais> diederik_: I would also like it to have some additional behavior in the post.install script that is specific to raspberries
[20:50] <hellais> so that when you install it there it sets up a particular type of cronjob, as an example
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[20:51] <diederik_> there is a specific section in the raspbian archive which (I think) could enable that. But you really have to ask plugwash about it
[20:51] <hellais> got it
[20:51] <hellais> diederik_: do you know when I am most likely to find this girl/guy?
[20:51] <vagrantc> seems like that would be better done in a supplimentary package?
[20:52] <vagrantc> the raspbian-specific cron jobs
[20:52] <hellais> vagrantc: that would be painful to push into debian since our current maintainer is on a leave
[20:52] <diederik_> he often comes online during EU evenings/night
[20:52] <hellais> in general if it's to add to the existing package it's ok
[20:52] <hellais> but add new ones is currently a bit complex
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[20:53] <hellais> unless we can add it to raspbian without adding it to debian
[20:53] <hellais> that is an option
[20:53] * vagrantc would find cron jobs only enabled on raspbian installs to be particularly annoying
[20:53] <vagrantc> YMMV
[20:53] <hellais> vagrantc: the cronjob is enabled by means of a prompt in the post.install script
[20:53] <hellais> and will be part of debian also
[20:53] <hellais> the thing is that I want a different cronjob in raspbian than I do in debian
[20:54] <vagrantc> prompts sound even uglier
[20:54] <vagrantc> depending on how implemented, debian policy violations
[20:54] <hellais> vagrantc: your feedback on this ticket would be greatly appreciated: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10734
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[20:55] <hellais> vagrantc: this is how it's done: https://github.com/TheTorProject/ooni-probe/commit/8983d370461b29f84d614f761fcad0cf7bb374b1
[20:55] <hellais> vagrantc: pull requests are also very welcome: https://github.com/TheTorProject/ooni-probe/pulls :)
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[20:58] <vagrantc> hellais: i'd recommend dropping a file in /etc/cron.d/ as part of the package, and having a configuration option to disable it doing anything
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[21:00] <hellais> vagrantc: can I add your comments to the ticket?
[21:00] <vagrantc> hellais: sure.
[21:00] <hellais> (or can you add it with the anonymous cipherpunks:writecode user)
[21:00] <hellais> ?
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[21:00] <vagrantc> hellais: if you want to cut-and-paste from irc, that would be easier for me :)
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[21:01] <vagrantc> packages shouldn't really use the "crontab" command
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[21:02] <hellais> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/10734
[21:02] <hellais> done
[21:02] <vagrantc> packages should use /etc/cron.* directories
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[21:03] <hellais> vagrantc: that is a good suggestions, thanks!
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[21:04] <vagrantc> hellais: then the cron job, or file it runs should source the configuration file ... and the admin and/or postinst can manage the configuration file
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