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[0:01] <diederik> did you see my responses/questions to my recent raspbian bug?
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[0:07] <Jobbe> does the pi depend on boot flags on partitions ?
[0:08] <diederik> the issue is indeed because of the 1.0.5 release/code
[0:12] <plugwash> Jobbe, pretty sure it doesn't
[0:12] <plugwash> diederik, is that the one about the kernel
[0:12] <diederik> yes
[0:12] <Jobbe> great
[0:13] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/v1.0.5/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L576
[0:14] <diederik> version 1.0.6 should be released before the end of the year :)
[0:14] <Jobbe> I'm going to buy a bunch of sdcards, and make a bunch of bare raspbian cards, dd is good, but rsync does have some advantages
[0:16] <plugwash> diederik, yes I saw it, as soon as you give me a list of what settings you want setting and why i'll do an update
[0:16] <diederik> I'm working on it right atm
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[2:18] <roasted> hello!
[2:19] <roasted> anybody know offhand if the opensuse build service repo for owncloud will fly on raspbian?
[2:25] <shiftplusone> I don't know opensuse fits into any of this at all, but owncloud will never fly
[2:26] <shiftplusone> It can crawl pretty well though
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[2:43] <roasted> shiftplusone: owncloud's repo is hosted on the opensuse build service.
[2:43] <roasted> this https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:community&package=owncloud
[2:43] <roasted> also, I hear people say owncloud works fine on a pi, especially with nginx. I might try it.
[2:43] <roasted> I mean, why not. :P
[2:43] <roasted> (why not try it, that is)
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[2:48] <shiftplusone> people also say they have android running on the pi. I think you'll find that to some people 'works' means it "it launches, but I haven't actually used it"
[2:48] <diederik> roasted: are you running wheezy or jessie?
[2:48] <roasted> wheezy
[2:49] <diederik> ok
[2:49] <roasted> shiftplusone: I'm not disagreeing, but I'll try it and see for myself before I assume it won't work. :)
[2:49] <shiftplusone> didn't say you were =P
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[3:00] <roasted> doesn't look like I'll be finding out anyway
[3:00] <roasted> both of my pi's are dead
[3:00] <roasted> this is coming back to me of why they been on my shelf so long
[3:02] <roasted> maybe I'll just VM it on my main server for owncloud.
[3:04] <shiftplusone> why VM?
[3:07] <roasted> I'm setting up openmediavault on my main server, but I want owncloud. They're going to be separate instances.
[3:07] <roasted> owncloud has a tendency to fight for web server services and it was a headache to get it working with OMV on my test machine. I just don't give enough of a damn to try again on my actual server that I want to run forever with limited fuss.
[3:07] <roasted> plus I prefer the idea of an internet facing service like owncloud being on its own, whereas OMV will be a NAS and strictly internal.
[3:08] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[3:08] <roasted> I'm just a green weenie and prefer to use as little wattage as possible, so I wanted to try to use the Pi.
[3:08] <roasted> Next best thing I got is an old P4 system. No thanks.
[3:09] <diederik> note that debian jessie has owncloud (too)
[3:10] <diederik> (raspbian jessie too, but that's not relevant anymore)
[3:11] <roasted> yeah, I'd just prefer to grab the opensuse repo for updates.
[3:11] <roasted> I wonder how well a low wattage i3 would do with OMV (based on wheezy stable) and an ubuntu (or something) VM with OC.
[3:11] <roasted> but that's slightly off topic for raspbian so I'll take those thoughts elsewhere. :P
[3:12] <diederik> ok. I prefer the 'real' debian packages
[3:12] <roasted> Only reason I'd probably do Ubuntu is because that's what I use most of the time and it's worked very well for me.
[3:12] <roasted> In truth Id on't care what's under it. As long as it flies.
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[3:13] <roasted> maybe I'll treat myself to a christmas gift to myself and get another pi, or a banana board or w/e that thing is, etc.
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[3:13] <diederik> sound choice. I'm a debian guy myself
[3:13] <roasted> I dig debian.I dig everything though.
[3:14] <roasted> anything under the debian umbrela
[3:14] <roasted> I get weird on opensuse, but that's mostly my own "I don't know what this zypper thing is" type of thing.
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[3:15] <diederik> haha, me neither. APT/aptitude ftw :-P
[3:15] <roasted> it's a great granddaddy distro for a reason
[3:16] <roasted> that's why so many projects use it. standing on the shoulders of a giant is a solid head start with anything.
[3:16] <diederik> yep, that was one of the reasons why I choose Debian back in the days
[3:16] <roasted> I still prefer Ubuntu on my client machines, but I'm a "I need to get things working so I can get on with life" kind of guy.
[3:17] <roasted> wireless drivers and all that nonsense.
[3:17] <diederik> I like to tinker and get under the hood
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[6:19] <groovestix> hey folks, can someone walk me through setting up a samba share on my Pi? I have connected an internal HDD to the Pi's USB port, and the drive is already automatically mounted on the Pi and I can access it properly. I'm unsure if I should mess with fstab, or what not...
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[6:33] <Odie_> if its mounted, no need to touch fstab
[6:34] <Odie_> if you look up how to get samba worknig with debian, you should find nice instructions
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[6:50] <groovestix> Odie_: thanks for that. i will try.
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[11:27] <Tr0p1caL> Hi all
[11:28] <Tr0p1caL> I know is a simple Linux OS, but can we "reset" our raspbian by a command?
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[11:36] <jhuebner> no, you would reinstall
[11:36] <Tr0p1caL> ok, thanks
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[11:44] <Tr0p1caL> jhuebner, and it's possible to reinstall by command shell? with SSH ?
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[11:46] <jhuebner> not without booting from other media. you don't have physical access? what's your actual problem?
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[12:20] <Tr0p1caL> jhuebner any particular problem, yes, i've physical access, but if was possible, i prefer, so...i format the key la
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[14:03] <vroomfondel> what I would like to know is how and why the boot filesystem is organized. E.g. on ARM architectures running from an SDcard, there is always a boot partition with FAT and an ext3/4 for the root fs. Why this split? Why not one ext3/4 partition?
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[14:07] <jhuebner> vroomfondel you might find some inspiration here: http://superuser.com/questions/522971/is-a-boot-partition-always-necessary
[14:11] <vroomfondel> is it even possible to deterministically allocate sectors in ext4? That would pose a problem for a standardized boot process, as the data would be inaccessible without understanding the fs.
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[16:48] <Zehle> Distance measuring against uneven surfaces? How to do i?
[16:48] <Zehle> Ultrasonic sound won't work, will it?
[16:53] <scoofy> depends on how uneven :)
[16:53] <scoofy> you could try
[16:54] <Zehle> Yes, I could. ) I thought about utsing lasers but I find it hard to elieve that the Pi would be able to measure the time for light to travle about 2 meters. :)
[16:54] <scoofy> or, just bring a long rope :P
[16:54] <Zehle> Haha
[16:55] <scoofy> if you can do it with lasers, then you can do it with sound
[16:55] <scoofy> even if it's uneven, *some* sound will be reflected back
[16:55] <Zehle> The surface I'm trying to measure is Wood Chips.
[16:55] <scoofy> not the most reflective surface....
[16:55] <scoofy> is it some industrial application?
[16:56] <Zehle> Well, I haven't tried to do it with sound. I said I find it unbelieveable that the Pi would be able to do it with laser.
[16:56] <scoofy> you could try it with sound.
[16:56] <scoofy> there's some chance you could get a usable reading.
[16:56] <scoofy> or, just put a big aluminum plate on top of the wood chips.
[16:56] <scoofy> to reflect sound well
[16:56] <Zehle> Kind of. It is a tank with Wood Chips which is used to heat up a house, I will try to give them some graphical feedback of how much is left.
[16:56] <scoofy> i see.
[16:57] <scoofy> is it important?
[16:57] <scoofy> or is it important if there's only a little left
[16:57] <scoofy> the latter might be easier to detect
[16:57] <scoofy> say, via a laser cross-light or something
[16:58] <scoofy> photosensors, etc
[16:58] <Zehle> That's true. It's not very important. It's jsut sot hat the y get a rough thought of howmuch is left. If they need to fill it up again.
[16:58] <Zehle> Yeah yeah, I thougth about that,
[16:58] <scoofy> well, you might use 3-4 separate photosensors.
[16:58] <Zehle> Could work as well.
[16:58] <scoofy> to have a 25/50/75/100% reading
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[16:59] <Zehle> That would actually work. But it would be fun to have a more dynamic/exact measuring. :P
[16:59] <scoofy> or, just put a line of photosensors along the side of the tank, and check what the reading says as you start running out of wood :)
[16:59] <scoofy> and put a light to the top
[16:59] <Zehle> But great idea. Will probably be something like that if the Ultrasonic measurements won't work
[16:59] <scoofy> well, the resolution depends on how many photosensors you use...
[16:59] <scoofy> with 100 sensors, you get 1% precision...
[16:59] <scoofy> i don't think you need more than that :)
[17:00] <Zehle> Haha, no.
[17:00] <scoofy> cos you run into measurement error after some point.
[17:00] <scoofy> i.e. makes no sense to use more resolution
[17:00] <scoofy> maybe, with 10 or 20 sensors you get 5% / 10% precision.
[17:00] <scoofy> if ultrasonic doesn't work.
[17:00] <scoofy> for ultrasonic, you might try putting a big aluminum plate on top of the chips, filling the top surface entirely.
[17:00] <scoofy> to help reflect sound.
[17:01] <scoofy> i'm almost sure that'd work precisely.
[17:01] <Zehle> yeah, but then you would need to put it on the top every time you fill it up
[17:01] <scoofy> exactly :)
[17:01] <scoofy> but aluminum is light.
[17:01] <Zehle> haha
[17:01] <scoofy> so unless it's a HUGE tank, should't be a big problem...
[17:01] <scoofy> or, just use photosensors :P
[17:02] <Zehle> I think photosensors is the way to go. 'm gonna check if there are I2c photosensors
[17:02] <scoofy> as for how to actually turn the readings into 'fullness', that may need some tinkering.
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[17:02] <scoofy> after all, lower sensors will give a lower reading naturally. so maybe you'd need some thresholding, or something.
[17:02] <Zehle> Yeah. There are I2C photosensors anyway. :P
[17:03] <Zehle> Well, gtg now. Thanks alot for the help!
[17:03] <scoofy> yw :)
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[17:55] <cesare> hi there
[17:56] <cesare> I was wondering: any particular reason why raspbian doesn't come with wpasupplicant and wireless-tools installed?
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[17:57] <Mikeman07> Hi is anyone available for a question? Hopefully should be quick...
[17:58] <PhotoJim> cesare: so people who don't use WiFi don't have to waste the space
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[18:02] <PhotoJim> Mikeman07: don't ask to ask, just ask.
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[18:05] <cesare> PhotoJim: got it, thanks.
[18:06] <cesare> Is there a repo of custom images? Much like https://hub.docker.com/ for docker
[18:06] <PhotoJim> I don't think so (I could be wrong).
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[18:13] <ShorTie> there is wireless built in, l@@k at the desktop, wicd i believe
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[18:24] <usandfriends> Hello, does anyone know how to install Git 2.2.1 on Raspbian?
[18:25] <diederik> you would have to compile it yourself
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[18:27] <usandfriends> Okay cool, thank you diederik. I'm going to use the info at http://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Getting-Started-Installing-Git#Installing-from-Source.
[18:28] <diederik> good luck
[18:28] <usandfriends> Haha, thanks.
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[18:32] <usandfriends> Ah, here we go: "make: *** No rule to make target 'cofigure'. Stop.".
[18:32] <diederik> you may want to install it in /usr/local/ though
[18:33] <usandfriends> True..
[18:34] <usandfriends> Can I just move the binaries there, or does it need a bunch of other config stuff?
[18:34] <diederik> do you need version 2.2.1? or would an older version suffice?
[18:34] <usandfriends> Version 2.2.1 has that big security patch
[18:35] <diederik> hmmm for with bug?
[18:37] <usandfriends> Oh wait, I didn't even read the article correctly.. The issue is only with OSX and Windows... Wow this saves me a lot of trouble.
[18:38] <diederik> usually patches for security issues are backported by debian (from which raspbian is (re-)build)
[18:40] <usandfriends> Didn't know that. Thank you for your help diederik.
[18:40] <diederik> yw
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[18:41] <diederik> https://www.debian.org/security/
[18:43] <ShorTie> anyone have any luck getting systemd 215-8 working ??
[18:44] <usandfriends> diederik: Awesome link. Thanks
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[18:44] <lanodan> Does systemd is working at all ? → Nearly
[18:45] <ShorTie> 215-6 was working fine, 215-7&8 do not
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[18:46] <ShorTie> system will not even boot .. :(~
[18:47] <diederik> I have 215-7 running on my system
[18:47] <ShorTie> interesting, do you do anything special by chance ??
[18:48] <ShorTie> did you do*
[18:48] <diederik> I installed it this weekend using the raspbian-ua-netinst, so that may be different from your situation
[18:49] <ShorTie> oh, ya i'm upgrading from whezzy
[18:49] * diederik is now upgrading to 215-8
[18:53] <diederik> and 215-8 is also working here
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[18:56] <ShorTie> oh blaaa, lol.
[18:56] <ShorTie> wonder what the diff is and howto fix it
[18:58] <diederik> if it doesn't even boot, I think there's not much left to do then re-image
[19:00] <ShorTie> been doing that
[19:01] <ShorTie> it gets so far then starts to fail with 'failed to start login service'
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[19:05] <ShorTie> oh well, if raspbian-ua-netinst works maybe i'll give a play that way
[19:05] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
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[19:52] <Limro> Greetings everyone, and an early merry Christmas
[19:52] <Limro> I have a hard time installing a myPhpAdmin on my rpi - I'm pretty close, but I get an 403 Fobidden error when finalizing it. Would someone care to give a hand?
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[20:04] <shiftplusone> Limro, check they permissions
[20:04] <shiftplusone> *thy
[20:04] <Limro> shiftplusone: uh - I'll do that. just a sec
[20:06] <Limro> Ehm... hang on - I locked my self out
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[20:08] <Limro> koay - I got it here... 0755/drwxr-xr-x
[20:08] <Limro> (I hope that's persmissions...)
[20:08] <shiftplusone> and the owner? Just run ls -la on the directory
[20:08] <Limro> root
[20:09] <Limro> and then again
[20:09] <Limro> I have pi as owner of the admin folder
[20:09] <shiftplusone> I guess it doesn't matter if it's all 755
[20:09] <Limro> but root as the index.html (which I can see)
[20:10] <diederik> everyone can read, thus it works
[20:10] <Limro> 0755 is from a stat /var/www
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[20:11] <diederik> your issue is likely in the php configuration
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[20:11] <diederik> which webserver are you using?
[20:12] <Limro> I'll open the .conf and look for something useful
[20:12] <Limro> an Apache2 with php5 on a VSFTP server
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[20:14] <diederik> where is your conf file located and can you pastebin it somewhere?
[20:14] <Limro> I'm looking for it inside the admin/ folder
[20:15] <diederik> if the admin folder is inside the myphpadmin folder then that's not the conf file I meant
[20:15] <Limro> ... but I'm comming up pretty short handed on this
[20:15] <Limro> oh - which one then?
[20:16] <diederik> You should have a conf file in /etc/apache2/conf-available/
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[20:18] <Limro> Yup - this have not been modified by me
[20:18] <Limro> I'll see if I can drag it out from the pi
[20:19] <diederik> let's start with the basics ... how did you install it?
[20:19] <Limro> Step by step: http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Web-Server/?ALLSTEPS
[20:20] <Limro> few things did not go great: I do not have a user called "pi" but a group
[20:21] <Limro> chap 4: I can't connect through my hostname but must enter IP adress
[20:21] <diederik> normally you'd have a user and a group named 'pi'
[20:22] <Limro> step 9: the "usermod -d /var/www pi" is complaining that no 'pi' user exist
[20:22] <Limro> I tried to do a 'adduser pi' but it complains
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[20:25] <diederik> I'm sorry to say, but those instructions are terrible
[20:25] <Limro> okay - I had commented the pi user in /etc/passwd which was why I couldn't log in that way
[20:26] <Limro> This helps in some way
[20:26] <Limro> Yes, comments says so too
[20:26] <Limro> Do you have a nice guide for setting a web service up to be used with a REST api?
[20:27] <diederik> I wouldn't be surprised if you royally **** up your system by now.
[20:27] <diederik> A proper guide to setup a lamp server is this: https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
[20:27] <Limro> there's nothing on it, so it's no big loss
[20:28] <diederik> you don't have to search for sth specific for the RPi, but look for debian instead
[20:28] <diederik> Since raspbian is essentially the same as debian
[20:28] <Limro> it's compatible all the way? Uh - nice!
[20:28] <Limro> thanks a lot
[20:29] <Limro> I'll try your link. It looks a lot better
[20:29] <Limro> I should do a hard reset on the sd-card, right?
[20:29] <diederik> there's even a phpmyadmin package you can install with apt-get/aptitude
[20:30] <diederik> no, you have to wirte the original image you downloaded back on your sd card
[20:30] <Limro> "hard reset" :)
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[20:30] <diederik> could also mean 'pull the (power) plug', but that won't do it ;)
[20:31] <Limro> oh, yeah - sorry
[20:31] <diederik> np
[20:32] <Limro> I give that link a go
[20:32] <Limro> Something on the interweb must work :p
[20:32] <Limro> thanks a lot
[20:33] <diederik> good luck
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[20:38] <Limro> ov - quick question. Do I have to put it into my pi, or can I just run all that needs installed on my computer?
[20:39] <diederik> you need to do it on your pi
[20:40] <diederik> only use your computer to put the image on the sd card, then plug the sd card into the pi and power up
[20:40] <Limro> thanks
[20:43] <diederik> yw
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[20:59] <Limro> Ehm, diederik - The guide mention someone called Lenny: "This step is innecesassry for lenny since...". Who/what is that?
[20:59] <diederik> that's an old release of debian, so you can skip that step
[20:59] <Limro> ah - great. Thanks
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[21:07] <lessent> hi all..! how can i build my own distro based on raspian for raspberrypi? is there any tool or project?
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[21:09] <scoofy> what is your goal?
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[21:11] <lessent> i d like to build my own distro
[21:12] <scoofy> i mean, the goal of the distro
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[21:12] <scoofy> the reason for its existence
[21:13] <lessent> to use for kids and non-speak english
[21:13] <scoofy> sounds cool!
[21:14] <diederik> lessent: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst ?
[21:14] <lessent> thanx..
[21:15] <lessent> how can i install my own package onto it?
[21:17] <diederik> it will install raspbian, but only the bare essentials, but you can customize that
[21:18] <lessent> can i customize all? i mean repos, distro name, desktop env., user name etc.
[21:19] <diederik> you could read the README.md ...
[21:20] <lessent> ok diederik, thanx..
[21:20] <lessent> im checking it now
[21:26] <Limro> ehm, diederik - regarding https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp it says I have to serve PHP, but I don't have that installed yet.
[21:26] <Limro> Is that just aptitude install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 ?
[21:27] <diederik> yes
[21:27] <diederik> and php5-mysql if you also need to connect to mysql db
[21:28] <diederik> https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp#The_.22P.22_part
[21:29] <Limro> oh - haven't gotten to that part yet
[21:29] <Limro> thanks a lot
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[21:57] <Soldar> can someone help me with some issues in hooking up a ublox gps to my pi?
[21:57] <Soldar> Occaisonally i get good NMEA strings over serial, but othertimes i get a wall of the ▒ character
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[22:43] <Limro> diederik: Are you still online?
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[22:44] <diederik> I am, but also a bit busy. But you can ask in the channel and if someone knows an answer he/she will probably provide it
[22:45] <Limro> I foloowed this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp - I can't access the myPhpAdmin page. I get a error 500
[22:45] <Limro> however - both the php and html part works smoothly
[22:47] <Limro> I need some suggestions for what can be wrong, and where to look for the error
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[22:49] <botnut> hi all - has anyone installed scipy on a raspberry pi? im having issue swith the install and wonder if there is a straight forward tutorial for installing it so that i can be used with python 3.4.2
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[23:09] <diederik> Limro: look in /var/log(/apache/) that should hopefully give you a clue what went wrong
[23:11] <Limro> diederik: thanks
[23:14] <Limro> AuthType not set
[23:14] <Limro> ah - there it is
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