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[0:00] <plugwash> and what I thought was a formality of a final test turned out not to be
[0:01] <plugwash> the pi2 kernel hapilly boots in both DT mode and NON-DT mode. However the Pi1 kernel only boots in NON-DT mode.
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[0:09] <plugwash> can't find any obvious config settings that could be the cause, back to a painful config bisection process.
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[1:29] <Tom_OH> Hi - is the download section messed up right now? Tried to install python-dev and it runs into a 404 error
[1:29] <plugwash> did you run apt-get update first
[1:30] <Tom_OH> let me check. Could have missed that. Thanks
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[1:36] <anunnaki> hi, is the /etc/network/interfaces file supposed to be empty ? im following this guide in setting up apache and it said to "replace the line iface eth0.." but there were no lines to replace period. so i basically just added the line
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[1:57] <ankan^> The default setup contains dhcp enable, i think
[1:57] <ankan^> in that file
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[2:02] <anunnaki> ankan^: you talk to me?
[2:02] <anunnaki> *talking
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[6:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[7:25] <mig2> good morning!
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[9:08] <unCon_> Hi, i can't get one-wire working with the new raspberrypi-bootloader packet. it's broken since the last 2 updates. Any idea, how to fix this? (R-Pi B with 256MB Ram/the old one)
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[9:14] <shiftplusone> unCon_, it's not broken. There are several forum threads about it.
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[9:33] <scoofy> hi. the screen turned off, and doesn't turn back on. what to do?
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[9:37] <shiftplusone> I'd go for a swim. But I guess you want to resolve the actual problem. Figure out if the screen is the problem and if it is, get a new one.
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[9:41] <scoofy> if i reboot the pi, it works.
[9:41] <scoofy> as usual. i just don't want to keep rebooting it all the time
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[9:45] <shiftplusone> sounds sensible.
[9:46] <shiftplusone> A bit lazy to diagnose that properly, but some things to look at... is it screen blanking? can you ssh in? what does tvservice say?.... and so on.
[9:49] <scoofy> i am in it from sseh.
[9:49] <scoofy> currently
[9:49] <ShorTie> scoofy, you got a keyboard or mouse hooked up to the pi ??
[9:49] <scoofy> ShorTie: yes.
[9:49] <ShorTie> moving mouse or hitting a key on the keyboard do anything ??
[9:50] <scoofy> tvservice -s says state 0x120016 [DVI DMT (16) RGB full 4:3] 1024x768 @ 60.00 Hz progressive
[9:50] <scoofy> ShorTie: nothing.
[9:50] <ShorTie> i know the shift key brings my monitor back to life most of the time
[9:50] <scoofy> not even if i remove / replug usb
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[9:52] <ShorTie> ok, just a thought/quick try
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[9:56] <scoofy> so.. no one has an idea what to do when the screen stays blank?
[10:00] <ShorTie> can you try the pi on a different screen to see if it is the pi or the screen ??
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[10:01] <ShorTie> on some screens, the power light blinks or changes color, does any of that happen ??
[10:01] <ShorTie> what kind of screen and how is it hooked up ??
[10:01] <scoofy> ShorTie: currently, no.
[10:02] <scoofy> not any of that happens. looks like normal, except the screen is blank black.
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[10:04] <ShorTie> is the screen hooked up directly to the pi or thru some kind of adapter ??
[10:08] <scoofy> thru hdmi to dvga adapter.
[10:08] <scoofy> lemme unplug that
[10:08] <scoofy> nope. still the same.
[10:13] <ShorTie> ah, i bet a dime for a dollar that adapter is causing the problemo
[10:14] <ShorTie> they are not cracked up to the mericial thingy for a pi, imho
[10:18] <scoofy> i have no hdmi monitor
[10:18] <scoofy> so i have no other option
[10:18] <scoofy> it works fine, EXCEPT when the PI goes to sleep/whatever, then the screen stays blank.
[10:18] <scoofy> so "blaming the adapter" is of no help here
[10:18] <scoofy> any other idea?
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[10:21] <scoofy> so i have to reboot it all the time this happens?
[10:21] <scoofy> how can I switch off "putting the screen to sleep"
[10:22] <scoofy> which causes this malfunction
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[10:23] <ShorTie> have you asked Mr.Google about "Linux" "putting the screen to sleep" ??
[10:23] <twolife> anyone here already played with u-boot to boot their pi ? it's mostly working for me, it load the kernel, the initrd, the .dtb & it boot ; but the framebuffer is reduced to 640x480 instead of the 'normal' resolution setup by the gpu bootloader. any idea ?
[10:23] <ShorTie> sorry, off the top of my little head i have no idea
[10:24] <scoofy> ShorTie: no. this is "rasbian", not "Linux"
[10:24] <scoofy> this is why i am asking here
[10:24] <ShorTie> lol, raspbian == Linux
[10:24] <scoofy> i couldn't use some RedHat tutorial, obviously
[10:25] <scoofy> i don't want "putting the screen to sleep", i am asking: how do I prevent the screen to autosleep
[10:25] <ShorTie> sure, might need to morf it a bit
[10:25] <ShorTie> not all Linux's are created equal is why
[10:25] <scoofy> yes, this is why I am asking
[10:27] <ShorTie> whelp, sorry, my little head is out of idea's for ya then, i'd go for a swim, but the water is too cold
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[10:28] <scoofy> google search gave some lightdm config stuff
[10:28] <scoofy> how do I know if I am runinng lightdm at all?
[10:29] <scoofy> also a comment says it's wrong and doesn't work, and they skipped a '-' sign
[10:29] <scoofy> so much about 'google'
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[10:30] <ShorTie> does it goto a desktop ??
[10:30] <scoofy> also it said:
[10:30] <scoofy> ailed to load configuration from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf: Key file contains line 'xserver-command -X -s 0 -dpms' which is no│·······························
[10:30] <scoofy> t a key-value pair, group, or comment
[10:30] <scoofy> yes. it loads in desktop mode, with X.
[10:31] <scoofy> but the 'google tip' doesn't work
[10:31] <scoofy> failed
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[10:32] <scoofy> fail
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[10:32] <ShorTie> no, so much for your Mr.Google search term, Mr.Google is only as good as the search term, it take me dozens of tries some times to find an answer
[10:32] <scoofy> so you have no idea, that's what you're saying basically
[10:32] <scoofy> anyone else?
[10:32] <ShorTie> desktop mode == lightdm
[10:33] <scoofy> what if I install slim
[10:33] <scoofy> doesn't that replace lightdm?
[10:33] <scoofy> i heard there are a million desktop managers
[10:33] <ShorTie> nobody else has joined in, so i guess i'm the only sucker, lol.
[10:35] <ShorTie> does 'which lightdm' come back with anything ??
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[10:37] <ShorTie> and 'if' this is raspbian, lightdm is what it uses
[10:45] <scoofy> usr/sbin/lightdm
[10:45] <scoofy> iirc i installed slim
[10:45] <scoofy> that replaced lightdm
[10:45] <scoofy> but i didn't like it so i removed that
[10:45] <scoofy> since that, i get some messed up login screen
[10:45] <scoofy> all white
[10:45] <scoofy> probably that's lightdmn
[10:46] <scoofy> the solution to switch off lightdm sleep mode i found in google, fails
[10:48] <scoofy> 'xset s off', 'xset -dpms', 'xset s noblank' all say: 'unable to display ""'
[10:50] <scoofy> i'll reboot
[10:50] <scoofy> br
[10:50] <scoofy> brb
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[10:54] <scoofy> rebooted. "of course" screen works again
[10:56] <scoofy> disabled all power management & screensaver options in the prefs
[10:56] <scoofy> i'll see what happens
[10:56] <scoofy> i think it's caused by power management after display is switched off - it doesn't switch back on
[10:57] <scoofy> so if i disable that, hopefully it won't go blank
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[12:12] <mortal> why does raspbian take more memory than debian
[12:12] <mortal> I Have a feeling
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[12:22] <unCon_> mortal: I think it's because there are more preinstalled packets, that you probably don't need
[12:26] <Akagi201_> Is raspberry pi2's cross compile toolchain different from pi1?
[12:27] <mortal> as in sys memory
[12:27] <mortal> what kind of overclocking results you have with pi2?
[12:27] <mortal> it seems with overvolt 6 1 GHz is unstable
[12:27] <mortal> now testing 950 MHz
[12:27] <mortal> with 450 mem
[12:27] <ShorTie> raspbian is setup for the pi specifically, where debian is more generic, thus it might load stuff specific too the SoC where debian doesn't
[12:28] <ShorTie> if that makes sense at all
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[13:04] <GuySoft_m3> hey all, does anyone have experience with noobs or berryboot here? I want to use them as upgrade platform for my OctoPi distro. so you could download a new image, upgrade, and then if something breaks roll-back to the older image. Is that possible?
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[14:15] <unCon_> does anyone have experience with undervolting the RasperryPi B, how much power can i save (using no USB devices expect the LAN Port)?
[14:20] <PhotoJim> undervolting would be a bad thing
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[14:40] <unCon_> PhotoJim: Why?
[14:40] <PhotoJim> unCon_: drop the voltage enough and the Pi will become unreliable
[14:41] <PhotoJim> unCon_: if you really want to cut power consumption, you want to drop amps, not volts
[14:41] <PhotoJim> unCon_: but even there, there is a point where you'll make the Pi unreliable
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[14:46] <PhotoJim> unCon_: according to the Raspberry Pi Foundation, the model A can potentially run with as little as 500 mA (if you don't use USB). the B uses between 700-1000 mA. the B+ uses between 600-2000 mA.
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[15:19] <ShadowJK> you can't really get 2A through any widely available usb cables
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[15:25] <sidharthr> Hey, is the Pi 2 powerful enough to handle basic image processing + machine learning for a mini self driving vehicle for obstacle detection?
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[15:31] <ppq> should be possible if you keep it very basic
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[16:02] <mortal> vlc says too high recursion and fails on raspi
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[16:02] <mortal> what should I do
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[16:04] <bionik> why does epiphnay crash so much on pi2?
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[16:06] <RX14> are the raspbian downloads signed?
[16:10] <RX14> you see, i'm trying to be paranoid about my gpg keys, making them on an offline PC
[16:10] <RX14> and i want the image to be verified
[16:12] <ppq> yes, they are signed. it's in the .dsc files. e.g. http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/m/maven/maven_3.0.5-2.dsc
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[16:13] <ppq> oh, you mean the image
[16:13] <ppq> i don't know about that
[16:14] <RX14> yes
[16:14] <ppq> if you are so paranoid, you will have to use debootstrap to install so you can rely on package signatures
[16:14] <RX14> i meant the whole image
[16:14] <ppq> (or maybe the images *are* signed, i dunno)
[16:14] <RX14> ah, i won't bother then
[16:15] <RX14> i'm not *that* paranoid, just if it was 1 command to check
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[18:05] <turbo18> I am using emulation station and when I use n64 I get a small screen in the lower left corner, I have tried a number of things that I found online but no luck so far
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[20:58] <horny-sama> need some help, basically I am trying to ssh into my raspbian using the guide http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/unix.md and I don't want to move my 20 inch screen downstair where the router is, is there any way to do hostname -I with nmap?
[20:59] <horny-sama> I have enabled ssh when I first install raspbian
[20:59] <horny-sama> yet I am getting ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.103 port 22: Connection refused
[20:59] <plugwash> where did you get the ip from?
[21:00] <horny-sama> plugwash: my laptop
[21:00] <horny-sama> I did hostname -I
[21:00] <horny-sama> on my fedora laptop
[21:00] <horny-sama> and I figure out the ip is wrong plugwash so I need to figure out a way to map the ip for my raspbian
[21:00] <horny-sama> I have installed nmap plugwash
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[21:01] <plugwash> umm hostname -I will give you the IP of the machine you run it on, not the IP of your pi
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[21:01] <horny-sama> plugwash: that's why I am trying to use nmap to map out the ip of my pi
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[21:07] <plugwash> try sudo nmap -sn -PR 192.168.0.0/24
[21:07] <plugwash> note: only do this on your OWN network, using port scanners on other peoples networks can get you into trouble.
[21:08] <horny-sama> plugwash: like I will sue myself :P
[21:09] <horny-sama> plugwash: http://www.fpaste.org/186236/42412093/
[21:10] <plugwash> Nmap scan report for 192.168.0.102
[21:10] <plugwash> Host is up (0.0060s latency).
[21:10] <plugwash> MAC Address: B8:27:EB:61:D9:89 (Raspberry Pi Foundation)
[21:10] <plugwash> that looks like your pi
[21:10] <horny-sama> plugwash: you are right
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[21:13] <Payo> hey plugwash you around ?
[21:13] <plugwash> yes
[21:13] <Payo> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/180
[21:13] <horny-sama> http://makezine.com/projects/browse-anonymously-with-a-diy-raspberry-pi-vpntor-router/ <---in case you guys are interested in what I am doing
[21:13] <Payo> I'm following this issue
[21:14] <Payo> i was wondering what that dt mode thing is and what does it mean for the pi 2 :o
[21:14] <Payo> (I just got a pi 2 and am interested in a minimal raspbian)
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[21:20] <horny-sama> is there a way to enable both gui and ssh at the same time
[21:21] <Payo> it is the case by default
[21:21] <klem> I'm not sure what you mean, you can run VNC and SSH simultaneously, shouldn't be an issue
[21:21] <horny-sama> Payo: no gui on my side
[21:21] <Payo> then enable it
[21:21] <horny-sama> Payo: how?
[21:21] <horny-sama> I try start x
[21:21] <Payo> sudo raspi-config
[21:21] * vagrantc wonders if the pi images contain libnss-mdns by default
[21:22] <vagrantc> would make it easier to discover hostnames
[21:22] <horny-sama> Payo: then what?
[21:22] <Payo> then you enable the gui
[21:22] <Payo> "enable boot to desktop"
[21:23] <horny-sama> Payo: will it work if I want to enable ssh basically my plan is if there is no monitor ssh in using another machine if there is a monitor I can still ssh in
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[21:23] <Payo> enabling the gui and enabling ssh are entirely different things
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[21:24] <Payo> one doesn't change the other at all
[21:24] <horny-sama> btw, is raspbian written in python or c?
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[21:26] <shiftplusone> horny-sama, neither. Raspbian is not 'written'. It's a re-compile of a huge repository of existing software.
[21:27] <horny-sama> shiftplusone: if it is using the linux kernel then it is written in c
[21:27] <horny-sama> :P
[21:27] <shiftplusone> no
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> .... I don't know where to start so.... just no.
[21:28] <plugwash> the number of languages invovled in something like raspbian is crazy
[21:28] <shiftplusone> You can use any language you like, it doeesn't matter that it's a linux kernel.
[21:28] <vagrantc> more languages than most people know exist
[21:28] <plugwash> but the main ones are probablly C, C++, make, shell script, perl and python
[21:29] <horny-sama> The only thing that I hate about python is the tabing
[21:29] <klem> the only thing that can be said for certain, is the Visual Basic was probably not one of the languages.
[21:29] <horny-sama> as for the performance of python it is livable
[21:29] <horny-sama> klem: what about basic?
[21:29] <horny-sama> goto statement baby
[21:30] <Payo> you're not making any sense
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[21:30] <shiftplusone> klem, there's gambas and mono which vb programmers should be comfortable with.
[21:30] <klem> umm probably not, though scripting in linux very closely aproximates some basic.
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[21:31] <shiftplusone> and yes, I'm sure there's a basic compiler, but there are 100 types of basic so... it's up to you to find the one you want.
[21:31] <horny-sama> Payo: the language basic
[21:31] <Payo> yeah I know thanks
[21:31] <horny-sama> I think I will use my raspbian as both a tor router, desktop (maybe) and some cobol learning
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[21:35] <horny-sama> sudo apt-get upgrade is taking forever
[21:36] <netwiz> i havent fired up raspbian / rpi in a while, about to come back to the fold
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[22:44] <redreed> so im a bit confused, im working with this code ive put together http://pastebin.com/3YYWmB0W , ive set p1:1 to trigger gpio 13 which should be pin 33, with pin set to HIGH it should read 3.3v or ruffly correct?
[22:49] <anunnaki> hi i cancelled halfway thru phpmyadmin install. tried reinstalling it and had some file locks errors. so i rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock and now get more errors. tried removing phpmyadmin http://dpaste.com/028CC1R
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[22:51] <anunnaki> i also remove /var/cache/apt/archives/lock and /var/cache/debconf/*.dat which were the other two locked files
[22:52] <anunnaki> i cant finish installing or removing the package. i tried apt-get update and that went thru without any issues but cant upgrade and thats what i pastebin'd.. the tail of it
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[22:53] <redreed> apt-get clean && apt-get autoremove
[22:53] <redreed> apt-get -f install
[22:54] <redreed> dpkg --configure -a
[22:54] <anunnaki> i did the last two but didnt do the first one
[22:54] <anunnaki> ill try again
[22:54] <redreed> or u can do : apt-get autoclean and if that doesnt work try
[22:54] <redreed> apt-get --force-yes remove <pkgname>
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[22:55] <redreed> worst case you could do a dpkg -P <pkgname> (purge it)
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[22:59] <redreed> so im a bit confused, im working with this code ive put together http://pastebin.com/3YYWmB0W , ive set p1:1 to trigger gpio 13 which should be pin 33, with pin set to HIGH it should read 3.3v or ruffly correct?
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[23:03] <anunnaki> redreed: so i tried all your steps in removing it even the purge and that even failed.
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[23:04] <redreed> did the purge give you a different error
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[23:05] <anunnaki> subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 10
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[23:05] <anunnaki> and before that it was dpkg: error processing phpmyadmin (--purge):
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[23:06] <redreed> anunnaki might want to try these steps (different package but should result in the same solution) http://askubuntu.com/questions/360306/dpkg-returns-error-10-when-processing-package-php5-common
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[23:07] <preyalone> I can't get my Pi to mount my HFS+ USB drive. hfsprogs is installed. `sudo blkid /dev/sda` outputs nothing.
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[23:16] <horny-sama> http://www.fpaste.org/186283/14241285/ <--- it is stuck @ the Reading state for like 15mins
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[23:19] <horny-sama> plugwash: how long does it usually take for sudo apt-get upgrade process to complete
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[23:28] <horny-sama> how long does it usually take for sudo apt-get upgrade process to complete
[23:28] <anunnaki> redreed: ah thank you! that link seems to be the solution.. i guess i had to re-download the source with apt-get download phpmyadmin and then dpkg --unpack the binary. so i guess i need a file and removing those lock files wasnt a good idea.. usually solves the issues when something is lcoked though
[23:29] <anunnaki> horny-sama: takes longer than update... but it probably varies.. i just started using the pi so im not great with debian apt-get commands.. i guess upgrade upgrades the kernel? and update updates all the packages?
[23:30] <horny-sama> anunnaki: upgrades deal with the kernel
[23:30] <horny-sama> according to the ps -a
[23:30] <horny-sama> 00:07:28 apt-get
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[23:30] <anunnaki> if upgrade upgrades the kernel, and by upgrading compiles it... then it can take a while depending on your processor.. i have a quad core and takes me up to 45 minutes to compile kernels on my other system
[23:32] <anunnaki> i manually compile mine by hand, so i dont have as many modules enabled, if I did an auto-compile itll take like 15 minutes longer adding in the extra drivers for all the different laptop brands that i dont need.. so 45-60 minutes
[23:35] <horny-sama> okay
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[23:40] <horny-sama> the ps -A time is not accurate
[23:40] <horny-sama> it has been running sudo apt-get upgrade for way longer than 7 mins
[23:41] <horny-sama> how do you know if sudo apt-get upgrade froze or not?
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