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[0:09] <[coda]> hi there!
[0:10] <[coda]> excuse me guys.. is there any way to upgrade mplayer on raspbian without having to recompile?
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[1:18] <|read|> Hello. Has anyone here set up onion pi on the new rasPi2
[1:18] <|read|> ?
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[1:32] <|read|> Hmm... anyone alive here?
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[1:44] <|read|> Hi Wayward_One, It's pretty dead in here.
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[4:25] <curiousduder> hello all
[4:26] <shiftplusone> heller\, avahi+bonjour
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[4:26] <shiftplusone> then you can, for example, ssh pi@raspberrypi.local
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[4:30] <curiousduder> ?
[4:30] <shiftplusone> curiousduder, never mind me, just replying to a question someone asked many hours ago.
[4:31] <curiousduder> ahh ok
[4:31] <curiousduder> I didnt see anything typed up about that
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[6:53] <botnut> anyone know of a guide or how to for locking down raspbian?
[6:53] <shiftplusone> lock down in what way?
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[6:55] <botnut> security wise
[6:56] <botnut> aside from obvious firewall rules, ssh lockdown for default user, etc etc
[6:56] <botnut> made an image that I want to use for all the pis I use.. but want it secure
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[7:03] <shiftplusone> It's fine the way it is, just use ssh keys and disable password logins. If you want to go overboard, take a look at selinux and all the other things hardened gentoo uses.
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[7:11] <john_rambo> Hi, I am trying to download Ubuntu using qbittorrent but when I open the .torrent file qbittorrent opens but without any active downloads. Same this is happening with transmission
[7:12] <botnut> youjust asked the same thing in #rpi chan
[7:12] <botnut> direct download it
[7:12] <botnut> if you want help with torrents join that chan
[7:12] <john_rambo> Okay
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[7:30] <botnut> anyone use a gsm modem with the rpi?
[7:31] <curiousduder> I am still awaiting my rpi... just shipped two days ago... what is a gsm modem?
[7:31] <botnut> cellular network access
[7:32] <curiousduder> ahhh...
[7:32] <curiousduder> I wouldnt foresee myself using one. Are you using it for home use or on the move?
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[8:34] <HZLe> Hi. Can somebody explain me why there are 'raspi.list' and 'collabora.list' in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? Differences to normal sources.list?
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[8:36] <shiftplusone> raspi.list is for stuff from the raspberry pi foundation (raspberrypi-bootloader, raspi-config, rpi-update and so on)
[8:36] <shiftplusone> collabora is for the optimized epiphany browser and such
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[8:38] <HZLe> So I shoudn't remove raspi.list, right? But collabora isn't so important?
[8:40] <shiftplusone> up to you
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[8:42] <HZLe> shiftplusone: Is the raspberrypi-bootloader or rpi-update important?
[8:42] <HZLe> shiftplusone: Sorry, I am a beginner
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[8:48] <shiftplusone> If you're a beginner, don't remove raspi.list.
[8:49] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is not important, but raspberrypi-bootloader is. You don't HAVE to use it, raspbian provides its own alternative, but there are a few things to keep in mind if you choose to do it that way.
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[9:43] <heller\> shiftplusone: what are they?
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[9:54] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi-bootloader-nokernel and a separate kernel
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[10:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[10:36] <advx_> Hi good afternoon all
[10:36] <advx_> Help needed trying to make tp-link wifi drivers 8188 giving make error
[10:37] <advx_> for Rpi 2
[10:37] <advx_> make[1]: *** /lib/modules/3.18.7-v7+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[10:37] <advx_> Makefile:147: recipe for target 'modules' failed
[10:37] <advx_> make: *** [modules] Error 2
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[10:45] <ShorTie> sortta sounds like you don't have the sources to me
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[10:49] <ShorTie> you didn't say your tp-link model #, might want to check it against this http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
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[10:51] <ShorTie> i o see this TL-WN723N (RTL8188SU); works OOTB with Raspbian 2012-09-17
[10:51] <ShorTie> s/o/do/
[10:56] <advx_> hi ShorTie
[10:56] <advx_> its tl-wn723N
[10:57] <advx_> it works great on Rpi1 B+
[10:57] <shiftplusone> advx_, that's.... relevant information. Can you post the output of lsmod from the B+ ?
[10:58] <advx_> ok wait
[10:58] <advx_> Module Size Used by
[10:58] <advx_> snd_bcm2835 18850 0
[10:58] <advx_> snd_pcm 75388 1 snd_bcm2835
[10:58] <advx_> snd_seq 53078 0
[10:58] <advx_> snd_seq_device 5628 1 snd_seq
[10:58] <advx_> snd_timer 17784 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
[10:58] <advx_> snd 51667 5 snd_bcm2835,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_seq_device
[10:58] <advx_> sg 18207 0
[10:58] <advx_> r8188eu 435113 0
[10:58] <advx_> joydev 8903 0
[10:58] <advx_> evdev 9950 4
[10:58] <advx_> uio_pdrv_genirq 2958 0
[10:58] <advx_> uio 8119 1 uio_pdrv_genirq
[10:58] <advx_> this is from Rpi 2
[10:59] <advx_> hope this helps
[10:59] <shiftplusone> B+.... (Pi1)
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[11:00] <advx_> o...
[11:01] <advx_> its not booted.. do u want me to boot it and post details..
[11:01] <advx_> I will have to go offline
[11:02] <shiftplusone> Would help figure out where it went missing. If I know the module name and the kernel version (from uname -a), I can tell where the module went missing and how to get it back.
[11:02] <shiftplusone> But the upload is almost done
[11:02] <shiftplusone> 1 min
[11:02] <advx_> ok
[11:03] <shiftplusone> They're both useful... this headers package is going to be 'official' in the near future, so some testing would certainly be a good idea.
[11:03] <advx_> hmm, great
[11:04] <shiftplusone> advx_, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/linux-headers-3.18.7%2B_3.18.7%2B-20150218~170427_armhf.deb
[11:04] <ShorTie> ya, sortta l@@ks like they might have missed that 1 in the rpi2 kernel i'm thinkin
[11:05] <advx_> 2%
[11:06] <shiftplusone> advx_, when that's downloaded, use dpkg -i to install it.
[11:06] <ShorTie> no r8188eu lsmod on the rpi2 ??
[11:06] <ShorTie> maybe try 'modprobe r8188eu' for yucks to see if it appears
[11:07] <advx_> no reply
[11:07] <advx_> modprobe r8188eu
[11:08] * ShorTie thinkz, i thought shiftplus1 was on RR .. :/~
[11:08] <advx_> shiftplusone, ok...
[11:08] <advx_> shiftplusone, which wifi r u using?
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[11:09] <shiftplusone> a 8192cu one (edimax EW-7811Un)
[11:10] <advx_> ok
[11:10] <advx_> brb ~10mins
[11:10] <shiftplusone> oh come on, is it compiling now? D=
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[11:28] <advx_> hi
[11:28] <advx_> will do dpkg -i now...
[11:29] <advx_> shiftplusone, unpacking headers
[11:30] <advx_> hey shiftplusone, got the prompt back...
[11:30] <advx_> now ?? what
[11:31] <shiftplusone> now try building again
[11:31] <advx_> in source folder sudo make all right?
[11:31] <advx_> thumbs up...
[11:31] <advx_> moved on
[11:33] <shiftplusone> keep us posted
[11:33] <advx_> sure..
[11:33] <advx_> still in make
[11:34] <advx_> rtl8188eu/core done now in hal folder
[11:34] <shiftplusone> sounds like progress
[11:34] <advx_> :-)
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[11:34] <advx_> now in os_dep folder
[11:35] <advx_> no error... in make all\
[11:35] <shiftplusone> so you have a .ko file now?
[11:35] <advx_> yep
[11:35] <advx_> bravo
[11:35] <shiftplusone> excellent >=)
[11:35] <advx_> what nex
[11:36] <advx_> t
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[11:36] <advx_> README file next step
[11:36] <advx_> is it
[11:36] <advx_> also got .mod.o file
[11:36] <shiftplusone> to test that it works sudo insmod file.ko
[11:36] <advx_> and .ko
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[11:36] <advx_> dont I have to copy it elsewhere
[11:36] <shiftplusone> you will... if it works this way
[11:37] <advx_> ok
[11:37] <advx_> wait
[11:37] <advx_> ouch
[11:37] <advx_> invalid module format
[11:37] * shiftplusone grumbles
[11:38] <advx_> Error: could not insert module 8188eu.ko: Invalid module format
[11:38] <advx_> can't we get any verbose...
[11:38] <advx_> from insmod
[11:38] <shiftplusone> nuh, it's a known error
[11:39] <advx_> hmm...
[11:39] <shiftplusone> basically, the kernel versions are slightly different.
[11:39] <advx_> back to work.. is it...
[11:39] <advx_> hmm
[11:39] <shiftplusone> sec... let me google a bit to see if there's a quick fix
[11:39] <advx_> thanks for support guys
[11:39] <advx_> I m here...
[11:40] <advx_> dont I have to do sudo make install
[11:40] <shiftplusone> there are some unsafe workaround, but... better not. I could also give you the kernel package itself, but it conflicts with the bootloader package, so it's a bad idea.
[11:40] <advx_> hmm, ok...
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[11:41] <shiftplusone> Sorry... so we know the headers package is okay, just doesn't match your kernel. Doesn't help you, but... good for us. =P
[11:42] <shiftplusone> sec... let me find why the module disappeared between the B+ and pi2 in the first place.
[11:42] <advx_> ok,...
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[11:42] <advx_> uname -a, gives ---Linux raspberrypi 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[11:44] <shiftplusone> CONFIG_R8188EU=m
[11:45] <advx_> ??
[11:45] <advx_> means...
[11:45] <shiftplusone> and the lsmod output you posted before seems to suggest it's there
[11:45] <shiftplusone> what does ifconfig -a say?
[11:45] <shiftplusone> and can you PASTEBIN the output of dmesg?
[11:45] <advx_> only eth0 and lo
[11:45] <ShorTie> wasn't that lsmod on the B+ though
[11:46] <shiftplusone> Nope, I asked him for the B+ lsmod and he gave pi2 output.
[11:46] <shiftplusone> <advx_> this is from Rpi 2
[11:46] <advx_> Rpi2
[11:46] <advx_> havent plugged in B+
[11:47] <advx_> I dont know how to pastebin....
[11:47] <advx_> and how much of dmesg u want
[11:47] <shiftplusone> go to pastebin.com, paste the output and then paste the link it gives you back here
[11:47] <shiftplusone> ideally, all of it
[11:47] <advx_> ok
[11:47] <advx_> wait
[11:48] * ShorTie needs to stick to his own mass confusion and let the master work, lol.
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[11:50] <advx_> how can I ctrl+a in nano
[11:50] <ShorTie> you do know you can do that pastebin directly from the pi right ??
[11:50] <advx_> nope...
[11:50] <shiftplusone> there's pastebinit
[11:50] <shiftplusone> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[11:50] <shiftplusone> dmesg | pastebinit
[11:50] <advx_> good wait
[11:51] * shiftplusone hopes it's not broken
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[11:52] <advx_> http://paste.debian.net/154720/
[11:52] <shiftplusone> hurray
[11:52] <advx_> stars are aligned for tp-link todaay
[11:52] <shiftplusone> excellent
[11:52] <shiftplusone> you're just missing the firmware
[11:53] <shiftplusone> r8188eu 1-1.2:1.0: Firmware rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin not available
[11:53] * ShorTie thinkz, there twasn't that nice and easy .. :)~
[11:53] <advx_> so ... what shall I do...
[11:53] <advx_> for that
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[11:53] <shiftplusone> apt-get the relevant package... don't know what it is off the top of my head
[11:54] <advx_> hey I have that file from my B+
[11:54] <shiftplusone> linux-firmware, apparently.
[11:54] <ShorTie> sudo apt-cache search firmware
[11:54] <advx_> shall I use it...
[11:54] <shiftplusone> better not to do it that way
[11:54] <advx_> which way...
[11:54] <advx_> apt-cache??
[11:54] <shiftplusone> copying the file
[11:54] <advx_> o
[11:54] <shiftplusone> apt-get install the relevant package.... whatever that is.
[11:54] <advx_> shall I try apt-cache...
[11:54] <ShorTie> firmware-ralink or firmware-realtek i would think
[11:55] <shiftplusone> I'm currently updating my apt-file cache to check
[11:55] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's either one of those or linux-firmware
[11:55] <advx_> hold on...
[11:55] <ShorTie> or just do both and see what it says
[11:55] <shiftplusone> the shotgun approach
[11:55] <advx_> only one way to find it out... lets try
[11:56] <advx_> first one did a lot of things... apt-cache search firmware
[11:57] <advx_> sudo apt-cache search firmware-realtek also return ok
[11:57] <advx_> firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters
[11:57] <advx_> it gave this output
[11:57] <advx_> now what
[11:57] <advx_> ??
[11:57] <ShorTie> yup, spit out any package name with firmware in it
[11:57] <advx_> means... give command ShorTie
[11:58] <ShorTie> sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink firmware-realtek
[11:58] <ShorTie> and see what happens
[11:58] <advx_> already newest
[11:59] * ShorTie thinkz, hmmmm.....
[12:00] <shiftplusone> and apt-get install linux-firmware ?
[12:00] <advx_> unable to locate apt-get install linux-firmware
[12:00] <shiftplusone> ls /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/ | pastebinit ?
[12:01] <shiftplusone> or just check what's there without pastebin
[12:01] <shiftplusone> Basically, you should have /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin
[12:01] <advx_> http://paste.debian.net/154728/
[12:01] <shiftplusone> and... you do
[12:02] <shiftplusone> what is this black magic
[12:02] <advx_> last but not the least
[12:02] <advx_> reboot??
[12:02] <shiftplusone> sure
[12:02] <shiftplusone> up next, vodoo magic.
[12:02] <advx_> ok
[12:03] <advx_> brb.........
[12:03] <advx_> bye 4 now
[12:03] <ShorTie> try 'ls /lib/firmware/rtlwifi' or 'ls /lib/firmware'
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[12:04] <ShorTie> oops, ShorTie slow, lol.
[12:04] * shiftplusone checks the time
[12:04] <shiftplusone> That was a long way to get to... "it should work!"
[12:04] <shiftplusone> but at least I got a headers package guinea pig, so that's a win, I guess.
[12:05] <ShorTie> can you help me with my network inssue's next if this doesn't work, lol.
[12:05] <shiftplusone> D=
[12:05] <shiftplusone> Need to get a humidity sensor working >.>
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[12:06] <advx_> http://paste.debian.net/154729/
[12:06] <shiftplusone> what does dmesg say now?
[12:06] <ShorTie> if ( "rain" use "umbrella" );
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[12:07] <shiftplusone> The sensor is in Cambridge. rain==1.
[12:07] <advx_> brb..
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[12:08] <ShorTie> if ( "rain in cambridge" pass "davespice umbrella" );
[12:09] <shiftplusone> Won't do him much good, he's in London.
[12:09] <- *AndrewG* I have built ZFS, but I can't get the kernel modules to load...
[12:09] <advx_> http://paste.debian.net/154734/
[12:09] <advx_> havent yet rebooted
[12:09] * ShorTie not doing to good, lol.
[12:09] <advx_> my 5month old daughter was crying....
[12:09] <shiftplusone> advx_, ..... what's more important here?
[12:10] <advx_> baby....
[12:10] <shiftplusone> She'll still be crying tomorrow. Get this wifi stuff sorted!
[12:10] <ShorTie> bottle/diaper time
[12:10] <advx_> now she is with her mom
[12:10] <advx_> feeding...
[12:10] <advx_> and then nap time
[12:10] <advx_> ok guys.. I m in for a reboot...
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[12:10] <advx_> brb.....
[12:11] <ShorTie> best time of the day for parents, lol.
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[12:11] <advx_> yep...
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[12:11] <AndrewG> I have built ZFS, but I can't get the kernel modules to load...
[12:11] <AndrewG> modprobe -v spl
[12:11] <AndrewG> insmod /lib/modules/3.18.7-v7+/extra/spl/spl.ko
[12:11] <AndrewG> ERROR: could not insert 'spl': Exec format error
[12:12] <AndrewG> [/var/log/messages] spl: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
[12:12] <AndrewG> Any idea what I did wrong?
[12:12] <shiftplusone> AndrewG, what does file /lib/modules/3.18.7-v7+/extra/spl/spl.ko say?
[12:13] <AndrewG> ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), BuildID[sha1]=0xc1f29b7aac4b171ca0411fe8df87aa3de88f9024, not stripped
[12:13] <shiftplusone> although "spl: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" makes that question irrelevant, sorry.
[12:13] <shiftplusone> sec
[12:13] <shiftplusone> what about modinfo?
[12:13] <shiftplusone> and also uname -a
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[12:14] <advx_> cheers...
[12:14] <AndrewG> I tried modprobe --force, but that then reports: spl: no symbol version for module_layout
[12:14] <advx_> http://paste.debian.net/154740/
[12:14] <advx_> got the wlan0
[12:14] <advx_> cheers...
[12:14] <shiftplusone> advx_, .... we didn't do anything =S
[12:14] <advx_> u there shiftplusone, ShorTie
[12:15] <advx_> thank a mil, for help..
[12:15] <advx_> may b my daughter did some magic... good magic
[12:15] <shiftplusone> sure, if you need us to waste your time, we're always here.
[12:15] <AndrewG> uname -a : Linux raspberrypi 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[12:15] <advx_> most welcome
[12:15] <AndrewG> I'll have to paste the modinfo
[12:16] <shiftplusone> just the vermagic line then
[12:16] <advx_> shiftplusone, did u go thru dmesg now...
[12:16] <advx_> in last pastbin
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[12:16] <shiftplusone> advx_, yeah, looks fine... just failed to load the firmware last time for whatever reason.
[12:16] <advx_> hmm
[12:17] <AndrewG> shiftplusone: modinfo - http://paste.debian.net/154741/
[12:17] <advx_> now shall I, /network/interfaces??
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[12:18] <shiftplusone> AndrewG, sorry... mind mind is gone into hiding for today.
[12:19] <AndrewG> OK. I'm guessing I didn't get the correct kernel sources or headers somehow.
[12:19] <shiftplusone> aha...
[12:19] <shiftplusone> hang on
[12:20] <shiftplusone> your module wasn't compiled against a Module.symvers for the kernel you're running
[12:20] <shiftplusone> AndrewG, output of zcat /usr/share/doc/raspberrypi-bootloader/changelog.Debian.gz ?
[12:21] <shiftplusone> the latest bit... should have 'firmware as of...' or something like that
[12:21] <AndrewG> Ah, that filename rings a bell. Hang on whilst I check (switching screens).
[12:22] <AndrewG> first entry: firmware as of 8aca5762, <asb@asbradbury.org> Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:19:20 +0000
[12:23] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/8aca5762f984f6decbeda294cee8418966c3d8d3/extra/Module7.symvers
[12:24] <shiftplusone> that's the module.symvers you should use when compiling the module
[12:25] <AndrewG> OK, I'll get it and compare
[12:27] <AndrewG> Yep, not the same as the one I used.
[12:28] <AndrewG> Thanks. I'll rebuild the zfs sources.
[12:29] <shiftplusone> report back... I'm curious if it works.
[12:29] <AndrewG> I used rpi-source (https://github.com/notro/rpi-source/wiki) which did warn that it didn't work for the Pi2 kernel.
[12:30] <AndrewG> It will take a while - I'm buuilding on the Pi itself.
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[12:43] <AndrewG> Getting close to 100% CPU with make -j 4
[12:44] <shiftplusone> might want to get ccache going
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[12:48] <AndrewG> It's still building, but something I just noticed...
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[12:49] <AndrewG> It installed the kernel modules in wrong directory (or so I thought), /lib/modules/3.18.7+-v7 rather than /lib/modules/3.18.7-v7+ (the "+" is in a different place in the filename.
[12:50] <AndrewG> I see this "wrong" name is also in the modinfo output.
[12:50] <shiftplusone> I'm sure it's fine.
[12:50] <AndrewG> ... as the vermagic string.
[12:51] <AndrewG> I moved the kernel modules to the 3.18.7-v7+ directory (matching uname -r).
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[12:53] <shiftplusone> It should install it in the right place automatically, you shouldn't need to move things around
[12:54] <AndrewG> Yes, I don;t know what went wrong with that, but the same wrong name is in the modinfo output:
[12:54] <AndrewG> vermagic: 3.18.7+-v7 SMP preempt mod_unload modversions ARMv7
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[12:55] <advx_> shiftplusone, ShorTie , guess what ... via TP-LINK wifi
[12:55] <AndrewG> uname -r = 3.18.7-v7+
[12:55] <shiftplusone> advx_, yay!
[12:55] <ShorTie> Cool
[12:55] <advx_> Cheers...
[12:56] <advx_> thanks for that pastebin trick too...
[12:56] <advx_> can I have audio out via HDMI....
[12:56] <advx_> is it good...
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[12:57] <shiftplusone> yes
[12:57] <advx_> how can I do that... I have seen that in setup screen initialy but I didnt select it...
[12:57] <erly> hi, i crossbuild a lib for the pi, mounted the image on my host machine, how can i install this lib in the image?
[12:58] <shiftplusone> advx_, sudo raspi-config
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[12:58] <advx_> ok...
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[12:59] <advx_> option in advance, it says force audio through hdmi or 3.5mm
[12:59] <advx_> is it ok...
[12:59] <ShorTie> you need to mount the partition with in the image
[12:59] <shiftplusone> advx_, yeah
[13:00] <advx_> shiftplusone, will it need reboot?
[13:00] <ShorTie> kpartx is most likely the easiest way
[13:00] <shiftplusone> advx_, no, shouldn't.
[13:01] <advx_> ok...
[13:01] <advx_> trying youtube...
[13:01] <erly> i mounted it in /mnt/raspberry-rootfs whats next step?
[13:02] <ShorTie> how did you mount it ??
[13:03] <erly> mount -o loop,offset=62914560 \ raspberry-working-image.img /mnt/raspberry-rootfs
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[13:05] <erly> i followed a tuto about crosbuilding qt for the pi to develop my application on a debian and deploy it on the pi. I want to be able to add an external lib in my app
[13:06] <ShorTie> you know your loopback device ??
[13:06] <ShorTie> what does 'ls $loopback' say ??
[13:07] <erly> bin include lib share
[13:07] * ShorTie thinkz, kpartx would be better/easier
[13:08] <ShorTie> how did you get your offset ??
[13:08] <erly> described in the tuto :)
[13:08] <erly> www.ics.com/blog/building-qt-5-raspberry-pi
[13:08] <ShorTie> sorry, that tells me like a whole bunch of nothing
[13:09] <ShorTie> did you fdisk the image to see where the partition starts ??
[13:09] <erly> sudo /sbin/losetup /dev/loop0 raspberry-working-image.img $ sudo /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/loop0
[13:10] <AndrewG> shiftplusone: I think the problem may be with the ./configure script for ZFS. It's working out the kernel source version by fishing things out of the built header files, but it ends up with "3.18.7+-v7" rather than the "3.18.7-v7+" which uname -r reports.
[13:10] <ShorTie> then calculate the offset from it
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[13:11] <erly> exactly: output is /dev/loop0p2 122880 3788799 1832960 83 Linux -----> ofsett=122880*512=62914560
[13:11] <ShorTie> sorry, don't know what all that garbly gook is, try like fdisk -l $image
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[13:12] <ShorTie> your ls is like not showing the full thing
[13:13] <erly> what should it say?
[13:13] <ShorTie> you can do it that way if you get your offset right, but kpartx is a whole lot easir, imho
[13:14] <ShorTie> should be just like 'ls /'
[13:15] <erly> ok, i calculated the offset following an example which turned out to be exactly the same as my ase: so i guess the offset should be good
[13:15] <erly> fdisk output:
[13:17] <ShorTie> kpartx -av $image_name
[13:17] <ShorTie> mount -v -t $root_file_system -o sync /dev/mapper/$rootpart sdcard
[13:17] <ShorTie> be alot easier
[13:21] <AndrewG> OK, the problem is that $kernelbuild/include/generated/utsrelease.h does not contain the same string as uname -r
[13:21] <AndrewG> So I'm wondering why $kernelbuild/include/generated/utsrelease.h doesn't match the running system?
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[13:47] <shiftplusone> erly, to answer your question, copy the lib in and then check the rpi-update source to figure out how to run ldconfig for it.
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[13:47] <shiftplusone> and I'm off. Good luck.
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[14:24] <desikitteh{HH}> anyone active?
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[14:25] <PhotoJim> sure
[14:26] <desikitteh{HH}> got a bit of an odd problem. when i did an upgrade earlier for some reason it's screwed up my irssi version to an old git version that doesn't work. i'm trying to figure out how to get back to the working version.
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[14:32] <PhotoJim> hmm, I just use the version packaged in my version of Raspbian... you need to do tricks like holding versions with the package manager if you want to manually compile alternate versions
[14:32] <PhotoJim> or install them in non-standard locations
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[14:33] <desikitteh{HH}> that's what i'm doing, but for some reason it's installed 0.8.18 - which is not actually what it looks to be.
[14:33] <desikitteh{HH}> so i need to force it to revert to *17
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[14:34] <PhotoJim> 0.8.15 is the version my package manager installed
[14:34] <desikitteh{HH}> jessie has *17
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[14:35] <PhotoJim> I'm just running wheezy
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[14:35] <PhotoJim> all I can do is wish you luck :)
[14:35] <desikitteh{HH}> i tried apt-get install irssi=0.8.17 but it says it can't find it. and given i just installed it last night, this is a problem.
[14:36] <PhotoJim> remove your git-installed version, remove it with apt/aptitude, reinstall with apt/aptitude
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[14:36] <desikitteh{HH}> remind me how to uninstall?
[14:37] <PhotoJim> I can't help you to remove a git-upgraded version; I don't do that
[14:37] <PhotoJim> but for the standard version, I believe it's apt-get remove irssi
[14:37] <PhotoJim> I use aptitude
[14:37] <desikitteh{HH}> i didn't installed it from git, though. :/ that's what's really weird.
[14:37] <PhotoJim> ahh, that is weird then
[14:38] <PhotoJim> you may want to back up ~/.irssi to be safe, but that shouldn't be touched
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[14:40] <desikitteh{HH}> it gets weirder, it's installing *17 but using *18
[14:41] <PhotoJim> whereis irssi
[14:41] <PhotoJim> maybe you do have two versions installed
[14:41] <desikitteh{HH}> irssi: /usr/bin/irssi /etc/irssi.conf /usr/lib/irssi /usr/bin/X11/irssi /usr/local/bin/irssi /usr/local/etc/irssi.conf /usr/share/irssi /usr/share/man/man1/irssi.1.gz
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[14:44] <PhotoJim> and irssi -v ?
[14:45] <PhotoJim> your 'whereis irssi' produces the same output I get
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[14:45] <desikitteh{HH}> gives *18
[14:45] <PhotoJim> but that's not the version that jessie uses?
[14:45] <desikitteh{HH}> it wasn't last night, no.
[14:47] <PhotoJim> you could 'echo $PATH' and manually search each path for irssi to see if you find a second version
[14:47] <PhotoJim> if so, then someone installed it
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[14:47] <PhotoJim> I've not used jessie so I can't comment on that
[14:47] <desikitteh{HH}> no one else has access to my pi.
[14:49] <PhotoJim> what made you mention git?
[14:49] <desikitteh{HH}> what do you mean by echo $PATH?
[14:49] <PhotoJim> git stuff doesn't get installed automatically
[14:49] <PhotoJim> if you type the command:
[14:49] <PhotoJim> echo $PATH
[14:50] <desikitteh{HH}> #irssi said the version i've got is an old git version.
[14:50] <PhotoJim> if will tell you all the directories it searches
[14:50] <PhotoJim> ahh, well it's probably not a git version per se, it's just the version they've settled on with jessie
[14:50] <PhotoJim> jessie is still a testing distro, so stuff breaks
[14:50] <PhotoJim> if you don't want stuff to break, you need to be running wheezy
[14:51] <desikitteh{HH}> which would put me back to *15 which has issues.
[14:51] <PhotoJim> what issues does 0.8.15 have?
[14:51] <PhotoJim> I'm using it on this session now (on a SheevaPlug, mind) and it works fine
[14:51] <desikitteh{HH}> randomly stops scrolling in a random channel.
[14:52] <PhotoJim> I've not had that problem
[14:52] <desikitteh{HH}> supposedly related to *15 and trackbar.
[14:52] <PhotoJim> ahh, I don't use trackbar
[14:53] <desikitteh{HH}> i really don't understand why the irssi package for wheezy is 2 versions behind, anyway.
[14:53] <PhotoJim> sounds like a bug in trackbar not irssi
[14:53] <PhotoJim> Debian is a conservative distribution, that's why
[14:54] <PhotoJim> if you want bleeding edge, you want Arch or Gentoo
[14:54] <PhotoJim> but then stuff will often break
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[14:54] <desikitteh{HH}> i don't want bleeding edge, i want recent stable.
[14:55] <PhotoJim> and now you have it, but as you have learned, it's still not precisely stable
[14:55] <PhotoJim> it's just stabler than the literal bleeding edge
[14:55] <PhotoJim> 0.8.16 on my Gentoo UltraSPARC it seems
[14:55] <PhotoJim> but it might be that .17 or .18 is masked for SPARC for now
[14:57] <PhotoJim> bbiab
[14:58] <desikitteh{HH}> changed source list back to wheezy and now there is no irssi version.
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[14:58] <PhotoJim> you can't degrade a jessie install to wheezy... that will really break stuff
[14:58] <PhotoJim> you need to install from scratch
[14:58] <PhotoJim> food, bbiab
[14:58] <desikitteh{HH}> gah. no way.
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[14:59] <PhotoJim> try downgrading Windows 8 to 7 for equal fun :)
[14:59] <PhotoJim> bbiab
[14:59] <desikitteh{HH}> eww. winblows.
[15:01] <ankan^> If Apple makes a iCar then it will have windows ;)
[15:01] <desikitteh{HH}> heh.
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[16:30] <erly> im having trouble with a binary, when i run it on the pi i get : ELF: not found
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[16:30] <erly> and Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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[16:36] <ankan^> When i use my printer from the rpi 1, the cpu load is ~2.9 and the print is alot slower then on a x86 based machine.. im on rpi 1 model b.. is cups multithreaded.. a reason to upgrade to RPi 2?
[16:37] <ankan^> from a x86 based*
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[16:53] <AndrewG> erly: Sounds like a binary for a different processor. What does file {filename} say?
[16:54] <AndrewG> ankan^: Probably running the job through ghostscript, and maybe hplip or similar.
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[16:56] <erly> AndrewG: ive been trying to crosscompile it for raspberyrpi, outout is ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x2e294678032d965ff91345cbbdbd07b21f39eaa2, not stripped
[16:56] <DropBear> erly - objdump -d filename | grep format
[16:56] <AndrewG> cpu load of 2.9 is 2.9 times the capability of a Pi v1, but only 75% of a pi v2. CUPs probably isn't multi-threaded to 4 CPUs, but even if it manages to use 1 or two, there are still some left for other things.
[16:57] <DropBear> will say what arch the program is for, should be something like "elf32-littlearm" if compiled on the pi
[16:57] <AndrewG> It's a 64 bit binary for x86.
[16:57] <erly> DropBear: file format elf64-x86-64
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[16:59] <erly> it uses a lib with autotools, i built it with : ./configure --host=arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/my/path/were/i/keep/built/arm/stuff
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[17:02] <erly> afaik the output binary should be 32bit right?
[17:02] <Bill73> Good morning all. Looking for some Pi Help.
[17:03] <Bill73> First I have 2 Pi A+ both were working fine except a WiFi glitch, replaced and switched one to eth Problem I'm having now I can not trace down.
[17:03] <Bill73> I even bought a new B+ a MicroSD and did a clean install, swapped power supply, USB cable, HDMI cables etc
[17:04] <Bill73> I have tried OpenELEC, RaspBMC, XBMC all to no avail even on my new B+
[17:05] <Bill73> Both Led come on and stay on solid, indiciating from what I read that it cannot read the boot file
[17:05] <AndrewG> Bill73: How did you copy the images to the microSD cards?
[17:06] <Bill73> using the installer for XBMC, restored device, formatted FAT32(quick and not quick)
[17:06] <Bill73> on the NOOBs I'm waiting for it to dl now
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[17:11] <Bill73> a 737MB file says 2 friggin hours wth, someone hosting it ontheir dialup lol
[17:11] <erly> DropBear: I compiled this on my x86 for the pi, seems i dont have the right options, how can i do this?
[17:12] <Bill73> oh well, guess It'll wait. I gotta crash for work, work on it on my days off
[17:12] <Bill73> later
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[17:36] <DropBear> erly I've only cross compiled kernels on a linux system for the pi, I set ARCH=arm, CCPREFIX and CROSS_COMPILE to to the toolchain arm gcc
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[17:45] <abaday> Hi, is there a way to install raspbian on a 2GB sdcard?
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[17:59] <dexta> evening
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[18:23] <jakllsch> abaday: probably, but you'll probably have to do it manually
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[18:38] <AndrewG> Can anyone tell me the last raspbian release with a 3.16 kernel?
[18:38] <AndrewG> (Current release is 3.18)
[18:38] <AndrewG> or where to find this info.
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[18:42] <Peio> abaday: you could flash a minimal raspbian image and add what you need to it after that
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[18:45] <AndrewG> I tried to use the latest 3.18 to build ZFS on Linux, but the last release is for 3.16 kernels. I fixed up a number of kernal API differences, but in the end it just crashes when loaded, so I probably have some API differences left which didn't cause build failures.
[18:45] <- *mpmctoo* I'm not here at the moment, your message has been logged and I'll get back to you when I can / %
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[18:45] <AndrewG> Decided to give up on that, and go back to a 3.16 kernel.
[18:45] <abaday> Peio: ok, ill look for the minimal, thanks
[18:46] <Peio> https://minibianpi.wordpress.com/
[18:46] <Peio> this one is the only one I know of that works on the pi 2
[18:46] <haruspexx> hi does the new pi modell p2 use the same cameras as the older pi versions?
[18:46] <Peio> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages
[18:46] <Peio> there there are images that work on the pi 1
[18:46] <Peio> darkbasic's for example
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[19:06] <abaday> Peio: the one you linked first works, thanks
[19:06] <abaday> now to figure out hte login credentials
[19:07] <abaday> found
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[19:11] <Peio> yeah i'm using it too :)
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[19:25] <abaday> Peio: how do you add the rest of the sdcard space?
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[19:26] <Peio> you can either resize on your pc or install raspi-config
[19:27] <abaday> ty
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[19:48] <Getty> wiiguy: hey
[19:49] <wiiguy> yo
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[19:49] <Getty> wiiguy: i just saw this: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/power-management-development-kits/8463465/
[19:49] <Getty> wiiguy: so there is even directly a standard expansion board for stepper motors for the nucleo boards i suggested to you
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[19:49] <wiiguy> hmmm
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[19:50] <Getty> and the nucleo boards cost 10 EUR
[19:50] <wiiguy> might look inmto it
[19:50] <wiiguy> kinda broke now :D
[19:50] <wiiguy> :p
[19:50] <facelessloser> hi has anyone got any experience in using arduino-mk on respberry pi under raspbian
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[19:51] <wiiguy> thanks Getty :)
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[19:51] <wiiguy> bookmarked it
[19:51] <Getty> wiiguy: yeah i know the broke feeling ;)
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[19:55] <hecatae> anyone using recalboxos?
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[20:03] <facelessloser> hey can someone help me out. Ive installed arduino-mk on my ubuntu laptop vi apt-get which gives me version 1.3.4 but on raspbian it gives me version 0.8
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[20:15] <caxco93> hello everybody. i have a quick question.im planning on buying a raspberry pi 2 but i wanted to know if this one is trustworthy
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[20:15] <caxco93> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-2-Model-B-1GB-RAM-Quad-Core-CPU-Worldwide-Free-Shipping-/331468646771?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2d122973
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[20:22] <perkan> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-2-model-b-new
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[20:23] <BOSIG> Hi
[20:24] <Neer-Do-Well> I think the price is the same on ebay or off, That isn't an actual Pi though its a knock-off, but it should work the same
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[20:24] <facelessloser> i orded mine from http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/raspberry-pi-2-model-b.html
[20:26] <Neer-Do-Well> They are out of stock at Element 14, but they are $35.00 plus tax and shipping there
[20:26] <DropBear> yea, that's where I got mine from. Takes about 2weeks right now.
[20:27] <caxco93> the ones from Hong Kong are a knockoff?
[20:27] <facelessloser> caxco93, are you from the UK
[20:28] <caxco93> no. thats the problem. i live in perú.
[20:28] <Neer-Do-Well> I believe so. however the RPi is an open hardware device, anyone who wants to can make them
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[20:30] <caxco93> i see. then whats the difference with one from hong kong and the one from element 14
[20:30] <facelessloser> caxco93, oh i see
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[20:32] <facelessloser> does anyone know how i can get raspbian to install a newer package from the package manager
[20:32] <hecatae> caxco93: it's not made by an authorised manufacturer, warranty is a grey area
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[20:32] <sydney> Wow.
[20:33] <klem> I take back what I said, the RPi is not open hardware. and the pictures of the Pi on Ebay appear to be the same as the pictures on the raspberrypi.org site So my asssertion that it is a knock-off is baseless
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[20:33] <hecatae> caxco93: you may also discover some parts are not the same, as the broadcom chipset is proprietary source
[20:34] <caxco93> what about the one from ebay buy from UK
[20:34] <caxco93> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-Pi-2-Model-B-version1-1-Board-QUAD-CORE-1GB-RAM-The-Very-Latest-/181465245825?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a402be881
[20:34] <caxco93> it says over 3000 sold
[20:34] <caxco93> and the shipping would be 9 pounds
[20:36] <sydney> :O
[20:36] <Neer-Do-Well> Its kind of high price, but if you're unwilling to wait for an American (continent not country) supplier to get them in, that is the price you will have to pay
[20:36] <sydney> 9 LBS?
[20:39] <pgs> facelessloser, do you mean installing a package from testing or sid? man apt_preferences
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[20:48] <facelessloser> pgs, yeah ive installed arduino-mk but its an old version
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[20:52] <pgs> ok, you need to add testing to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:52] <pgs> then see: man apt_preferences to avoid pulling everything from testing by default
[20:53] <pgs> (unless you want to run pure testing)
[20:54] <pgs> that man page also sghows you how to install a sigle package from testing
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[20:55] <caxco93> yeah i know its a high price but im like 99% sure that my country wont sell it and if any nearby country does it will be a similar price
[20:55] <caxco93> so... is that one from ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-Pi-2-Model-B-version1-1-Board-QUAD-CORE-1GB-RAM-The-Very-Latest-/181465245825?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a402be881 trustable?
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[20:59] <Neer-Do-Well> yes. (and I am guessing) but I think if they were selling something that didn't work, they'd be shutdown by now.
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[21:00] <caxco93> so the one from hong kong would be good too?
[21:01] <Neer-Do-Well> Yes I think so.... I spoke wrongly when I first accused them of being knock-offs.
[21:02] <caxco93> it has 880 sold
[21:04] <caxco93> maybe they buy in bulks from egoman?
[21:05] <caxco93> thats what tehq raspberrypi FAQ says
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[21:07] <Neer-Do-Well> 800 is still quite a bit seeing as its only been out for ....umm, a short time
[21:09] <caxco93> well the one from the uk has sold over 3000
[21:09] <caxco93> this one is from hong kong
[21:09] <caxco93> should i buy it?
[21:09] <caxco93> the one from hong kong
[21:10] <Neer-Do-Well> I can tell you that I don't think its dangerous, or that there is something wrong with it, but 'should you buy it?' ask your wife
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[21:18] <callumacrae> Hey! I'm having an interesting problem setting up wifi on my pi
[21:18] <callumacrae> I'm following these instructions http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
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[21:18] <callumacrae> My ssid is an emoji cloud, though
[21:19] <callumacrae> the scanner says it's called \xFO\x9F\x92\xAD, but if I enter that in, it doesn't connect
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[21:36] <callumacrae> finally done it. set up the network using wpa_cli, setting the bssid instead of the ssid
[21:36] <Neer-Do-Well> is emoji a brand? I can't find it because all of the ideograms
[21:37] <Neer-Do-Well> ok well, I waited just long enough. Congrats
[21:37] <callumacrae> not really
[21:37] <callumacrae> it's a japanese set of characters which are smilies and stuff, and they're being incorporated into unicode
[21:37] <callumacrae> teenagers and hipsters like them
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[21:38] <Neer-Do-Well> oh I get it...your SSID is a little graphic character...interesting, must be a windows thing
[21:39] <callumacrae> nah, I use a mac
[21:39] <caxco93> any second opinion on buying the raspberry pi 2 from an ebay hong kong seller ?
[21:39] <callumacrae> my network is called ☁️
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[21:42] <Neer-Do-Well> Callumacrae, if you have any control over it I would suggest you use something in the ASCII set. It might help avoid this issue in the future.
[21:42] <callumacrae> There's like a million wifi networks in my area, the only way I can find it is to set it to either something in blcok caps, or an emoji
[21:43] <callumacrae> but if it were impossible I would have just changed it
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[21:44] <Neer-Do-Well> There is the added advantage of making it harder to 'others' to connect to your network
[21:44] <callumacrae> hilarious!
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[22:10] <BOSIG> what irc client do you recommend or like for raspbian?
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[22:11] <Neer-Do-Well> hexchat
[22:13] <sydney> irssi
[22:13] <sydney> BOSIG: You have to use what you like.
[22:14] <BOSIG> sudo apt-get install hexchat
[22:14] <BOSIG> lol
[22:14] <sydney> There are so many opinions :)
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[22:16] <BOSIG> id like to try hexchat, (as you saw me fail to do). it says on the site that nearly all distros have it
[22:16] <BOSIG> but the command i wrote didnt work
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[22:21] <klem> Irssi step by step https://zarzyc.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/irc-client-on-raspberry-pi/
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[22:22] <BOSIG> i got irssi installed (im on it right now) but id like to try a client with gui
[22:22] <ankan^> xchat?
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[22:22] <BOSIG> didnt seem to work on raspbian
[22:22] <ankan^> oh ok
[22:23] <Neer-Do-Well> Pidgin supports IRC
[22:23] <BOSIG> i got to choose what architecture i had, and since im new to linux i dont really know and didnt find any good info on what the r-pi2/raspbian uses
[22:24] <klem> http://www.recantha.co.uk/blog/?p=311
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[22:25] <BOSIG> thanks ill try that
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[22:29] <caxco93> do fake raspberry pi's exist? and im not talkin about stuff like banana pi, im talking about a product that is offered as a raspberry pi b
[22:29] <caxco93> for example but has lower memory or something like that
[22:30] <Neer-Do-Well> I don't think so, I was thinking of the arduino when I said the one you were looking at may have been a knock-off.
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[22:33] <BOSIG> A bit off-topic. but can someone recommend a channel where i as a linux beginner can get help with basic stuff and questions?
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[22:35] <Neer-Do-Well> generally whatever distro you are using will have at least one channel
[22:36] <Neer-Do-Well> search google for 'ubuntu irc support channel' or 'ubuntu newbies channel'
[22:37] <sydney> BOSIG: What distro?
[22:39] <BOSIG> well, im using raspbian atm on my r-pi
[22:39] <BOSIG> so for things that concern that distro i should be in the right place
[22:39] <Neer-Do-Well> oh well, there isn't an irc support room for that :P
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[22:41] <BOSIG> some things confuse me. klem linked to a blog where the download link got me a .exe file. cant seem to install/open it. and unless im wrong i think that .exe are a windows thing
[22:41] <BOSIG> it was supposedly a pidgin install file
[22:43] <klem> no idea why that was there, I am here on a regular Linux desktop machine, I've never run an irc client on RPi, was just sharing a link
[22:45] <BOSIG> ok, well thanks anyway.
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[22:47] <BOSIG> are r-pi distros much different compared to their full version, like Raspbian-Debian. also, are different linux architectures determined by the machine or software/distro?
[22:49] <Neer-Do-Well> RPi is very differnt. Linux was originally developed for desktop machines and it works pretty well on them. Sometimes and for some purposes better than windows
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[22:54] <curiousduder> o/
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[23:02] <acidjazz> so im guessing none of my old raspbian images will boot on the pi 2
[23:03] <acidjazz> i need to start w/t he 2/16 raspbian eh?
[23:03] <Neer-Do-Well> I believe so, however they are currently optimizing a distro for the new proc as well
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[23:05] <acidjazz> a raspbian distro?
[23:05] <acidjazz> or a newer one?
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[23:14] <Neer-Do-Well> The old distros should work, but a new distro is being tuned to the newer proc as well
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[23:23] <Peio> where have you seen that Neer-Do-Well ?
[23:23] <Peio> they said they would test to see if it's worth it last I saw
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[23:25] <Neer-Do-Well> I haven't seen it anywhere other than here. Perhaps I was mistaking some individual's attempt at opmization to be representing RPi.org
[23:25] <BOSIG> exit
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