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[0:57] <acidjazz> hey
[0:57] <acidjazz> whats that cofnig command to bring up the blue screen
[0:58] <acidjazz> raspi-config
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[2:25] <sydney_untangle> ?AWAY GO_Odnight! Sleep at normal hours. :P
[2:25] <sydney_untangle> OOPS!!!
[2:26] <sydney_untangle> /AWAY :P
[2:29] <Getty> lol
[2:29] <Getty> who the hell uses still away ;)
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[2:44] <keyvan> hi I was wondering if the raspberry pi camera module would be seen as a normal camera from Google Chrome/Chromium, Iceweasel, or other programs like that ?
[2:45] <jakllsch> don't think so
[2:46] <jakllsch> at least, i don't recall seeing anything about v4l2 compatibility
[2:46] <keyvan> oh ok thank you
[2:46] <keyvan> i found a stackoverflow question about it -- i will dig deeper ( http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/9768/is-someone-working-on-a-video4linux-driver-for-the-camera-module )
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[5:24] <leio> keyvan: there's a gstreamer video source element in existence, though
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[6:17] <atouk> rpi 2. fresh install. wifi internet works. can ping out. can not ping in. apache running and accessable via localhost. can not load from the network. can not ssh in. tl;dr. pi sees the rest of the network, network can't see pi
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[7:13] <lordievader> atouk: Try arppinging the device.
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[7:15] <atouk> going to restart the router to clear the cobwebs. i'll probobly drop
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[7:29] <atouk_> that worked. two hours messing with the wrong part
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[8:36] <dexta> morning
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[8:43] <CuriousDuder> o/
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[9:34] <lordievader> o/
[9:41] <Getty> o/
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[9:42] <Getty> http://i.imgur.com/AtDi5ww.gif
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[9:57] <zGrr> moin :)
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[10:32] <lapide_viridi> I have this LEMP stack on the latest version of raspbian, but only on a raspberry pi B+. However, the rpi2 arrived today, but it crashes when I try to put the old SD card into the new raspberry.
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[10:33] <lapide_viridi> Do I really have to set this server up again from scratch, or is there a trick to it?
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[10:35] <twolife> lapide_viridi: with a recent bootloader+kernel you should be able to swap between rpi1 & rpi2 without any problem
[10:35] <lapide_viridi> twolife, well, that is strange then.
[10:36] <lapide_viridi> I can try to get some error reports, but it crashes too fast.
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[10:36] <lapide_viridi> However, I recall something about MySQL trying to start and internal ports failing.
[10:36] <lapide_viridi> Not sure what that was, though.
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[13:10] <twolife> anyone here working with u-boot ?
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[13:49] <TBJoe> When I backup my system with rsync (all folders except /tmp/ and stuff) - Can I simply install vanilla raspbian and then copy all folders from the backup and I got a running system that is identical to the original one?
[13:51] <ppq> TBJoe, not into a running system. you can do it offline, with a card reader and a linux pc. use sudo cp -a
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[13:52] <ppq> also, make sure rsync preserved all the attributes
[13:52] <ppq> mode, ownership etc
[13:52] <ppq> you have to do that with both partitions of course
[13:53] <TBJoe> Okay so: 1. Install raspbian vanilla on new SD card 2. plug it into card reader and copy all folders from rsync backup 3. I got an identical system to the original backupped system? I'll read about the preserve attribute stuff to do it right of course :)
[13:53] <ppq> yes, that should work
[13:54] <TBJoe> ok cool :) and rsync can backup from a running system right? (I'd shutdown services like mysql and services that use sqlite or other databases)
[13:55] <domovoy> why would you do that?
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[13:58] <TBJoe> why would I do what?
[13:59] <domovoy> TBJoe: if your goal is to retore the sdcard to it's original state, you're better of with making an image of it, don't bother with rsync. Create image: dd if=/dev/sdcard_device of=/path/to/image. Restore: dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdcard_device
[14:00] <TBJoe> yeah but ... I want to backup the running system and I think dd does not prevent data inconsistency
[14:01] <TBJoe> if I write to a file that is being read by dd it's going to be corrupt, or not? and I think I read that rsync handles this better
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[14:02] <TBJoe> plus, rsync can do incremental backups
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[14:02] <domovoy> TBJoe: dd does a raw copy, how could that go wrong? rsync on the other hand, is a great tool, but also depends on the ilesystem used and such, so more sources of error
[14:02] <domovoy> TBJoe: ha, if you want incremental backups, then yes, dd is out
[14:02] <TBJoe> how could that go wrong? well if there is much activity on the file system, it could go wrong or not? at least that's what seems logical and what I read several times now
[14:03] <TBJoe> well incremental updates are so much faster and use so much less storage :)
[14:03] <domovoy> TBJoe: in any case, doing your backup while using the files you backup is a BAD idea, and rsync can screw up there too
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[14:05] <domovoy> TBJoe: let's say rsync have a robust lockin mechanism, how would you be sure that /file/x/y/z was copied before or after the changes?
[14:06] <TBJoe> well I don't mind if there was a minor change just before the backup
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[14:06] <TBJoe> I intend to do backups 1-2 times a week, maybe, so a minor change that is not backuped just adds some seconds/minutes to the 3-4 day interval of my backup, i guess?
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[14:07] <TBJoe> as long as the files are in a consistent state and not corrupt it's fine
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[14:07] <domovoy> TBJoe: yes but, let's say a process running modifies several files, and that process will need all those chanes to work aain, if your backup copies file_a before the changes, and file_b after, then you have a problem
[14:08] <TBJoe> true
[14:08] <domovoy> TBJoe: and are you 100% sure of rsync lockin mechanism?
[14:08] <TBJoe> well so backupping a running system is always a bad idea?
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[14:08] <TBJoe> no I'm not sure, just read it's better than dd
[14:08] <TBJoe> it operates on a filesystem level and not on "raw bits" which makes it better suited for running systems. Not sure how much better though
[14:09] <domovoy> TBJoe: yes, bad idea, unless you can make sure nothin will try to modifies the files being copied durin the backup
[14:09] <TBJoe> domovoy: do you have an idea how to make sure of this?
[14:10] <TBJoe> I'm really looking for a comfortable and fail-safe way to backup my raspberry pi
[14:10] <TBJoe> taking out the sd card everytime and plugging it into another device is kinda annoying
[14:11] <domovoy> TBJoe: it depends on the files. ie: if i want to backup /var/www, i will stop the web server and any process using files there before the backup
[14:11] <TBJoe> I read that many guys don't have trouble with dd on a running system, but I can't really rely on that to work properly
[14:11] <TBJoe> hmm I want a full backup, to be able to restore all my services
[14:11] <domovoy> for files like /bin/* /usr/* and such, shutdown the system, or start it with partitions mounted read only
[14:12] <TBJoe> so I could add another partition with another small linux system and backup from there?
[14:13] <domovoy> TBJoe: or change your kernel commandline args so that it mounts the root filesystem read only and start in a different runlevel, which would be setup to mount anythin read-only, and only start essential services
[14:14] <TBJoe> okay I guess I need to read up on how to do this
[14:15] <domovoy> TBJoe: bu i suspect it would be faster to shutdown your rpi, put the sdcard on another system, and dd it, how big can a full dd be? do you need to keep that many of them?
[14:18] <TBJoe> Well 32gb sd card. And I guess 2 backups would be enough in my case. It's not that I can't handle the storage, but it's very circumstential to always put the sd card into another system. A simple script that reboots into a special mode, backups (to either USB device or network devicce), and reboots again would be much much much more comfortable
[14:20] <domovoy> TBJoe: how is your sdcard partitionned? I uess you only want the system backuped, right? then only dd the system partition (/dev/sd_cardN)
[14:20] <TBJoe> 1. shutdown via SSH, 2. unplug power and take out sd card 3. put sd into my laptop and plug laptop to the switch (for speed reasons) 4. start backup tool 5. wait 6. take out sd card again and into raspberry pi
[14:20] <TBJoe> it's standard raspbian partititons
[14:22] <domovoy> TBJoe: i see what you mean, a solution here would be a script that: 1. switch to runlevel 1 or other that is setup for minimal system use, and remounts filesystems read-only. 2 start rsync backup. 3. switch back to standard runlevel, remountin partition as they were before
[14:24] <TBJoe> okay that's more like the way I like it :) I'll read up on that and try it out
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[14:24] <domovoy> check the mount manual about option -o remount
[14:25] <domovoy> that would allow you to switch to a read-only system without needin a reboot
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[14:27] <domovoy> i strongly suest a runlevel dedicated to your backup, makes it easy to stop/start evry process preventing/allowing a safe backup
[14:27] <domovoy> s/suest/suggest/
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[14:27] <domovoy> i need to fix my keyboard
[14:29] <domovoy> TBJoe: i'm not sure how raspbian does it, but runlevel 1 is usually ood for that (single user mode)
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[14:34] <TBJoe> thanks for your help, I'll investigate it further but got to go now :)
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[15:07] <OxFEEDBACC> okay, i don't get this... the latest raspbian image (feb 16) has gcc 4.6, and no support for hardware div instructions in any *.md? (i mean support, not default)
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[15:10] <OxFEEDBACC> i don't see an option to upgrade gcc to something else, 4.7/4.8 or so... but i'm not used to debian/apt/aptitude... am i missing anything?
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[15:29] <lordievader> OxFEEDBACC: Jessie has gcc 4.9.
[15:30] <OxFEEDBACC> that wouldn't guarantee the machine definitions i am looking for...
[15:31] <OxFEEDBACC> i thought the raspbian platform would be a great compromise to building a cross compiler on the x86-64 pc, for compiling stuff for my android...
[15:31] <OxFEEDBACC> which has a quite capable cpu, the features of which aren't supported by some compilers however...
[15:32] <OxFEEDBACC> well, code sourcery 4.7.2 again? ........... dunno...
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[15:41] <sine0> ok ive put in a usb drive into my pi b+ and i wantt o copy some files to it, i take it i have to mount it but ive done a df -h and i cant see it
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[15:43] <lordievader> sine0: How did you mount it?
[15:47] <sine0> i have not yet
[15:48] <sine0> i think sda is the device and sda1 is the partition seeing as my pi sdcard is mp-something
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[15:51] <sine0> its funny because I tail -f the dmesg and see nothing
[15:51] <sine0> when i pull out and put in the usb
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[15:57] <sine0> will pi see ntfs by default
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[15:58] <lordievader> sine0: Yes, an RPi can mount ntfs.
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[15:59] <sine0> so it has ntfs file system tools already
[15:59] <lordievader> Guess so, 'dpkg -l|grep ntfs'
[16:00] <diederik> sine0: likely a power issue
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[16:01] <diederik> (since it doesn't even detect the drive)
[16:04] <sine0> i have to reboot
[16:04] <lordievader> sine0: Why?
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[16:17] <TheLostAdmin> Any suggestions for a suitable lightweight package so I can get cron to send e-mail to me without turning my Pi into a full blown smtp server?
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[16:22] <ShorTie> sendmail ??
[16:22] <TheLostAdmin> without a full blown smtp server, Shortie.
[16:23] <TheLostAdmin> Otherwise, I'll probably use postfix.
[16:23] <diederik> exim4?
[16:23] <ShorTie> sendmail is offered by many different packages
[16:23] <ShorTie> ^thus is 1^
[16:24] <ShorTie> smpt is an other
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[16:25] <lordievader> TheLostAdmin: msmtp?
[16:26] <TheLostAdmin> Hmm. don't know that one, lordievader. I shall look into it.
[16:26] <ShorTie> but like diederik said, i use exim4 for my emailing/texting
[16:27] <diederik> by default the exim4 metapackage install exim4-daemon-light
[16:30] <ShorTie> 'exim4 sasl2-bin fetchmail' is send/recieve packages for me
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[16:32] <TheLostAdmin> msmtp looks like what I want. No local mail subsystem. Just push system generated mail out as if it came from the ISP. Pretty simple config. Does the sendmail command line replacement stuff for system utilities that assume.
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[16:35] <ShorTie> i know for verizon you need sasl to send, does your isp require ssl too ??
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[16:39] <lapide_viridi> You guys earlier told me that I could take the SD card from my old rpi B+ and place it in my rpi2. The raspbian version I use, from February, should support both platforms. However, when I booted, I got errors like these: http://imgur.com/a/gTOAQ#0 After seven reboots, where each one managed to proceed a little bit further into the booting process, it suddely works. fine At least as far as I know.
[16:39] <lapide_viridi> Does anyone know why?
[16:40] <peetbog> I am not a "you guys"
[16:40] <lapide_viridi> peetbog, sorry, let me rephrase. "You guys of either gender..."
[16:41] <lapide_viridi> Better?
[16:41] <peetbog> no, still don't know who would tell you a os would work in two different cpu's with different core counts. I guess I recommend a clean install to the pi2
[16:42] <peetbog> It is cool if the trick works. But your results may vary.
[16:43] <lapide_viridi> peetbog, well, actually no trick. I was just curious why it was able to proceed somewhat more into booting for each crash.
[16:43] <ShorTie> that isn't raspbian's fault, that sumfin goofy with you mysql
[16:43] <lordievader> It should run, but it ain't optimized for any of the new features. Or so I've heared.
[16:44] <ShorTie> like you pulled the plug once or sumfin
[16:44] <lapide_viridi> twolife`, you're the guy that told me it would work, among others. Have you tried it?
[16:45] <lapide_viridi> ShorTie, actually, I noticed that in one of the reboots. Works fine now, server content to several wp-databases.
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[16:53] <lapide_viridi> lordievader, by the way, what new features? The rpi2 overclock preset was already available on the rpi B+, but I just switched it on. Works fine.
[16:53] <lordievader> lapide_viridi: Newer arm core.
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[17:20] <lapide_viridi> lordievader, seems faster too me. Anything else?
[17:21] <lordievader> lapide_viridi: Ah wait, this was about the b+, I thought it was the RPi 2.
[17:22] <lapide_viridi> lordievader, it is. I took the card from the rpi B+ to the rpi2.
[17:25] <lordievader> lapide_viridi: http://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-7034
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[17:27] <lordievader> lapide_viridi: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=47787
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[17:29] <lapide_viridi> lordievader, interesting, thanks!
[17:31] <lapide_viridi> I'll wait until I have some more spare time, and then I'll flash a new one.
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[19:37] <Situphen> hi all
[19:37] <Situphen> i've got some issues when trying to extract raspbian img file
[19:39] <Situphen> i tried `sudo mount -o loop 2015-02-16-raspbian-wheezy.img rpi/` but mount ask me the type of the file
[19:41] <AvengerLives> When you say extract...Do you mean literally extract from the compressed zip?
[19:41] <AvengerLives> In which case, mount is not the command you need. Use unzip or use tar
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[19:43] <Situphen> AvengerLives: i already extracted the zip
[19:43] <Situphen> now, i have a img and i want to "extract" the content in a folder
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[19:45] <AvengerLives> What is your goal? Are you attempting to mount the img on your Pi? Or on the Computer you downloaded the img to?
[19:46] <AvengerLives> Because if you want to boot the img on the pi, you need to carefully use dd to overwrite an SD card.
[19:47] <AvengerLives> if you attempt to mount the img to your computer (not the pi), you will likely encounter errors because I would guess that your comp does not empoy ARM architecture
[19:47] <lordievader> Situphen: You cannot mount the image directly, it contains two partitions.
[19:47] <lordievader> Situphen: Use kpartx or something.
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[19:48] <AvengerLives> lordievader: Also yes.
[19:49] <lordievader> AvengerLives: Mounting an arm architecture is no problem. Chrooting into it might pose a problem (if you don't know qemu ;) )
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[19:52] <Situphen> so the img contain partitions and not only files ?
[19:53] <lordievader> Situphen: It contains the two partitions you need to boot your rpi. An /boot and a root filesystem.
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[20:02] <Situphen> ok, i was trying to extract it like a basic iso file :
[20:02] <Situphen> *:D
[20:02] <Situphen> thanks for your time guys
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[20:05] <AvengerLives> Good luck
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[21:13] <scotepi> When my SD card goes into readonly mode, how can I remotly restart?
[21:13] <scotepi> # reboot
[21:13] <scotepi> -bash: /sbin/reboot: Input/output error
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[21:15] <domovoy> scotepi: does "shutdown -r now" have the same issue?
[21:15] <domovoy> (i suspect it does)
[21:15] <scotepi> yes
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[21:15] <scotepi> I have 3 PI's (revB) and it seams that if they are running for more then 3 months this happens
[21:16] <domovoy> why does it go ro? sdcard problem? or just the partition on it? can you remount the root fs rw?
[21:16] <scotepi> I should do a weekly cron to reboot them
[21:16] <scotepi> the sd card tests fine
[21:16] <atouk> why not move /root to a usb drive.
[21:17] <scotepi> the last log in syslog is Feb 24 00:28:06 ns03 kernel: [3598160.093206] mmc0: resetting ongoing cmd 25DMA before 4096/4096 [1]/[2] complete
[21:17] <scotepi> yeah, its been a while since I noticed ><
[21:17] <scotepi> not sure how to remount / as rw
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[21:19] <domovoy> scotepi: mount -o remount,rw ...
[21:20] <scotepi> # mount -o remount,rw /
[21:20] <scotepi> mount: cannot remount block device /dev/mmcblk0p2 read-write, is write-protected
[21:21] <scotepi> there must be a way to reboot without need a rw fs
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[21:23] <scotepi> ah, I think I found it.... echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger\
[21:23] <scotepi> ... without the \ (stupid big enter key) http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/rebooting-magic-way
[21:26] <scotepi> crap, its not coming back up :(
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[21:35] <scotepi> w00t from compitent officeworks able to unplug a cellphone charger
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[23:29] <linfan> hey
[23:30] <linfan> my debian knowledge is a bit rusty after archlinux so i would appreciate some help
[23:30] <linfan> I cannot get any sound in omxplayer, wonder what I could try
[23:38] <sydney_untangle> linfan: But can you get audio through any other program?
[23:39] <linfan> after installing the mixer from the pi store i got sound in the browser
[23:40] <linfan> but no sound in omxplayer
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[23:42] <linfan> any way to do a clean reinstall of all alsa?
[23:56] <peetbog> I got sound working by removing jack and install of pulse. but sonic pi was also sacrificed as it needed jack.
[23:57] <peetbog> no alsa is part of the linux kernel. jack is the default server to direct audio and I like many other distros prefer pulse.
[23:57] <linfan> yeah, have not run alsa for ages
[23:58] <linfan> is it sudo apt-get remove --purge jack?
[23:59] <peetbog> I know that it is possible to run both jack and pulse. you could try that. pulse is easier to control with pavucontrol. should be in the package manager.
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