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[0:37] <ChristianCMcKay> why is raspbianXBMC so hard to set up?
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[0:38] <shiftplusone> it isn't... add repo, apt-get update, apt-get install.
[0:39] <shiftplusone> But you'll be able to just apt-get install it soon-ish without messing around with repos.
[0:43] <ChristianCMcKay> those are the only steps to getting it?
[0:43] <ChristianCMcKay> i've been following this http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
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[0:46] <shiftplusone> the first paragraph links to http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
[0:47] <ChristianCMcKay> wow that's embarassing....
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[0:49] <shiftplusone> heh
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[1:24] <plugwash> gregoa, when reminding me to binnmu perl related stuff it would be nice if you also reminded me I need to update the chroots first :/
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[2:59] <casey_> Good evening everyone
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[2:59] <casey_> Is there a need to go through the running processes and such on rasbian to cut down on used resources?
[3:00] <casey_> I'm not very familiar with linux yet
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[3:15] <ChristianCMcKay_> can i install OpenELEC on my pi if i'm already using raspbian?
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[4:55] <- *mpmctoo* I'm not here at the moment, your message has been logged and I'll get back to you when I can / %
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[4:58] <ShastaJoe> Hello! I'm Joe, and I have some questions about Raspbian installation.
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[6:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[11:37] <And1> Hey folks. I just installed the newest raspbian-wheezy image on a micro-sd-card for my new rpi2. I don't want to use the pi-user, but another username. Can I rename the user? Or can I just delete it and add a new one without any kind of problems or circumstances?
[11:42] <Getty> just add a new one, you should leave the pi user on
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[11:43] <Getty> the point is that most tutorial and everything just expects the pi user so you might shot yourself in the foot if you kill it
[11:43] <Getty> (you can change the pw or disable login, tho, thats irrelevant)
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[11:46] <And1> Thanks.
[11:46] <ShorTie> definitly agree on changing passwd
[11:46] <Getty> yeah depends on your paranoia level ;)
[11:46] <And1> One other question, shoul I use apt or aptitude … and why?
[11:46] <Getty> you use apt-get
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[11:47] <Getty> aptitude is bah
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[11:47] <lordievader> aptitude is a front-end for apt, use whatever you like.
[11:47] <And1> … why? ; ) On debian I used to use aptitude. Just want to know what’s better in the case of raspbian. And what “better” means.
[11:47] <Getty> aptitude is doing things you dont see, its an obfuscator on apt
[11:48] <lordievader> There is no better. Just preference.
[11:48] <Getty> raspbian is debian, its the same, if you liked it on debian then use it on raspbian
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[11:49] <And1> Ok. Thanks! : ) I think to remember that in apt you can’t choose options on what to do if some dependencies conflict (or somesuch). Sorry, it’s been a while, I’m mostly using OSX now due to my everyday job.
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[11:49] <Getty> .... "using"
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[11:51] <And1> It’s not THAT bad with (home)brew and a good terminal emulator. Though it was hard to not use xmonad anymore, heh.
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[11:51] <Getty> its not only about this
[11:51] <Getty> and even with homebrew you are pretty f**ked often, i just say the python-incident
[11:52] <Getty> where they changed something fundamentally from pre-release to release (so in this 1 week cycle) and the release was failing ont he homebrew python and it took them some time to adapt
[11:52] <Getty> cause apple doesn't care about communication
[11:52] <And1> Mh, apt-get clean does everything apt-get autoclean does, just more, right? So no need to use autoclean after calling clean?
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[11:53] <And1> Getty: I don’t say it’s great or better than Linux or Debian, I’m just happy I don’t have to use some ms even worse megabullshit. : x
[11:53] * Getty is sitting on a windows
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[11:54] <And1> Luckily that’s everyones own choice. ; )
[11:55] <And1> Also used it a long time. Until XP.
[11:56] <Getty> well its your choice if you contribute to apple empire or not ;) the other choices then are marginal
[11:59] <And1> Will this work with apt: apt-get purge '~c'
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[11:59] <And1> I’m not quite sure anymore, what the ~c did in aptitude. It removed configuration from uninstalled packages I think to remember.
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[12:15] <OxFEEDBACC> is the raspberry pi 2 powered over a micro-USB port?
[12:17] <OxFEEDBACC> i've read somewhere that it draws about 4W and i wonder if i should feed it over a dedicated power supply... or is it sufficient to connect it to some hub?
[12:21] <And1> Is there an easy way to set up a new user with the same groups (and whatever else needed) like the pi user?
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[13:18] <Stanto> OxFEEDBACC: You'll want to make sure it's supplied 1.8A at 5v , I've seen it crash if you're just trying to power it from a 500mA PC USB port.
[13:24] <OxFEEDBACC> okay, Stanto .... thanks...
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[15:04] <Uninstall> Hello
[15:04] <Uninstall> is anyone aware of any up to date raspbian image with wayland/weston support?
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[15:22] <ShorTie> i get, weston is already the newest version.
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[15:28] <Uninstall> ShorTie: are you sure? the image I've found was quite old
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[15:28] <Uninstall> I think it was 1.1 or something like that
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[15:29] <ShorTie> ya, it's the 2-16-2015 or so image and apt-get update/upgrade didn't find anything either
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[15:35] <Uninstall> just to be clear wayland/weston most recent version is 1.7
[15:36] <Uninstall> and yes, the version looked to be 2015-02-16
[15:36] <ShorTie> got me, never use it, looks like a github or what ever adventure is in order then i guess
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[15:40] <ShorTie> apt-get isn't really known for the latest/greatest, more like old stable versions
[15:42] <Payo> it has nothing to do with apt
[15:42] <Payo> it's debian's choices
[15:42] <Payo> try jessie if you want more recent packages
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[15:44] <Uninstall> Payo: ok, thank you, I was quite aware that the previous answer was quite a bit no sense
[15:44] <Payo> jessie will be the stable branch soon anyway
[15:45] <Uninstall> right, it makes sense
[15:45] <Uninstall> Payo: can you tell me what's the video drivers/wayland/weston/qt5 available on that jessie image?
[15:46] <Payo> no idea I don't have X installed :o
[15:46] * ShorTie shrugs, don't know why it's 'quite a bit no sense'
[15:46] <Payo> if you tell me how I can check i can check
[15:46] <Uninstall> ShorTie: apt-get is a frontend for dpkg, it is not releated to package age or stability
[15:46] <ShorTie> apt-cahe search xxxxxxx
[15:47] <Payo> apt-cache policy weston
[15:47] <Payo> weston:
[15:47] <Payo> Installed: (none)
[15:47] <Payo> Candidate: 1.6.0-2+b1
[15:47] <Payo> Version table:
[15:47] <Payo> 1.6.0-2+b1 0
[15:47] <Uninstall> Payo: wayland is not X :)
[15:47] <Payo> well I don't have it either :p
[15:48] <Uninstall> ok, thank you
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[15:53] <ShorTie> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weston
[15:53] <ShorTie> even experimental only has 1.6.1-1 in it
[15:54] <Uninstall> 1.6 is quite close to the latest version
[15:55] <Uninstall> anyway I've made a quite simple question about a certain topic, if anyone is going to reply to it I would love to read the answer by someone that is skilled enough about that topic. I've already spent several hours on google, I don't need others to google for me. Anyway thank you
[15:58] <Payo> maybe fedora has more recent stuff on it ? they usually do but idk much about their arm versions :p
[16:00] <Uninstall> the point is mostly another
[16:00] <Uninstall> an up to date version which is working with wayland/weston
[16:01] <Uninstall> it looks like on github drivers are updated every 5 days or something like that
[16:01] <Uninstall> the point is, that I would like to find something that has been tested to work with wayland and weston
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[16:04] <And1> Hey folks. Anyone here using hardware volume mixing with rpi2, hifiberry dac+ and mpd?
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[16:37] <TheSnide> diederik: hi. is it simple to add some custom compiled module to the initrd image ?
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[19:04] <Justanick> Are there any reviews, which compares the compiling performance (gcc, g++) of the rpi and the rpi2?
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[19:09] <plugwash> Justanick, Theres various anecdotes on the forums but i'm not aware of any systematic review
[19:09] <plugwash> I would expect the answer will depend a lot on what you are building though.
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[19:10] <Justanick> plugwash: Okay, I was thinking about parts like Openwrt, Android, ...
[19:11] <Justanick> Using the PI as a "slow" compile option. Just to remove the stuff from the local main machine.
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[19:33] <Hallo32> plugwash: Have you seen any reviews in this direction?
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[19:38] <diederik> TheSnide: I don't know
[19:39] <TheSnide> diederik: thx. ( I just had some weird idea while commuting, so i just asked instead of looking at code :D )
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[19:40] <diederik> I don't think it's hard, but I haven't done it before
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[19:41] <TheSnide> diederik: i'd like to test using a hacked vfat32 root.
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[19:41] <TheSnide> diederik: a-la umsdos, but for vfat :)
[19:42] <diederik> with what purpose? vfat(32) is WAY worse as a filesystem then ext4
[19:45] <TheSnide> diederik: ... it *has* to be tried.
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[19:46] <diederik> sounds sadomasochistic to me :-P
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[19:47] <TheSnide> diederik: indeed. But i have my /home on vfat, and it performs better than ext4. on some USB key that are ultra-cheapo :)
[19:48] <TheSnide> diederik: ... the main drawback is the absolute randomized recovery process on powerfailure. Which, on rpi is not that infrequent.
[19:50] <diederik> doesn't surprise me
[19:50] <diederik> You could also try using ext4 without journaling. It is probably faster but you'd also mis the benefits of journaling
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[19:53] <Martijn-NL> Hi everyone - I have configured RaspBMC, but this tool is supported until june 2015. I know the OS is based on Raspbian. Can I change the sources.list to Raspbian instead of RaspBMC?
[19:56] <TheSnide> diederik: it's even faster than ext4 w/o J
[19:57] <TheSnide> diederik: ... but i digress. The main feat i want is to be able to mount it seamlessly on win32
[19:57] <diederik> win32?
[19:58] <TheSnide> diederik: ... short for windows-based.
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[19:59] <diederik> ok, thought it maybe was a typo
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[20:01] <linfan> what is the wifi app called in raspbian?
[20:03] <linfan> i wonder how it is configured, it seems it cannot read utf8 and connect to umlaut wifi-addresses
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[20:09] <dexta> oh and im back in the room
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[20:27] <diederik> TheSnide: take a look at man:/mkinitramfs
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[20:53] <TheSnide> diederik: i'm currenly trying to install on a vanilla vfat rootfs
[20:53] <TheSnide> diederik: ... as i don't care about perms : everything will be 777. (yeah, i _know_)
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[21:24] <dexta> im getting a libuuid ELF header error, fs is read only in maint mode & when proceeding on normal boot, file & symlink seems ok, any ideas ?
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