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[0:46] <pycoderf> hello all.
[0:47] <pycoderf> anyone use the ua-netinst? i am having issues with the installation.txt
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[0:49] <plugwash> diederik, maintains it, dunno if he is online at the moment though
[0:50] <pycoderf> i dont get why my installation_config.txt is not being read. it is on the same partition as the installer
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[0:54] <diederik> I am online
[0:54] <diederik> pycoderf: because you should name it installer-config.txt?
[0:57] <pycoderf> installer-config.txt yes
[0:57] <pycoderf> Placed int he same partitiion as the installer .cpio and kernel_install.img
[0:58] <diederik> that should work
[0:58] <pycoderf> do i have to add it to the config.txt too?
[0:58] <pycoderf> it i snot
[0:58] <pycoderf> is not. even the initial info shows what i put in here
[0:58] <pycoderf> As if it does not even read it
[0:59] <pycoderf> would it choke if it used windows line endings?
[0:59] <diederik> can you pastebin your installer-config.txt file?
[1:00] <pycoderf> diederik: https://bpaste.net/show/9dae1adb3688
[1:00] <diederik> it shouldn't choke on windows line endings, because it's always put through 'dox2unix'
[1:01] <diederik> do you also have a log file?
[1:01] <pycoderf> where
[1:02] <diederik> if the installation finishes then it's /var/log/raspbian-ua-netinst.log
[1:02] <pycoderf> ok well i am doing the install now with standard config but then i will look
[1:02] <diederik> otherwise there should be logfiles in the /boot/ partitition
[1:03] <pycoderf> ok. i will check when this completes. does it also include the config it used?
[1:03] <diederik> you've only changed 'packages' and 'release' ?
[1:03] <diederik> yes (at least for the most part)
[1:03] <pycoderf> for the time being yes
[1:04] <diederik> you only have to provide those 2 then in your installer-config.txt
[1:04] <pycoderf> oh i see. i was unsure
[1:05] <diederik> it could be that 'release=testing' will not work though, I've only tested it with the code names (wheezy/jessie)
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[1:06] <pycoderf> ah ok. well i like testing so it is always testing, as opposed to going stable when jessie becomes stable. my understanding of the debian phases though and could be wrong
[1:06] <pycoderf> i think having it all there even as default is good for placeholders for me
[1:06] <pycoderf> for reference
[1:07] <diederik> in normal debian they are perfectly interchangeable, but I just checked the code and there's at least one check for 'jessie' (thus not testing)
[1:07] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L533
[1:08] <diederik> so it is likely you won't be able to login with ssh as root with a password
[1:08] <pycoderf> so are sid/unstable also invalid?
[1:08] <diederik> yes, raspbian doesn't support that, so neither does the installer
[1:08] <pycoderf> good to know.
[1:09] <pycoderf> this is still going at the moment
[1:09] <pycoderf> can that jessie line be updated to include testing for the next release? or do i need to build it myself?
[1:10] <diederik> I don't expect your configuration to cause any issue with the installation
[1:10] <diederik> (apart from the lines I just pasted a link from)
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[1:11] <diederik> plugwash: does raspbian support 'testing'? Or only jessie?
[1:11] <plugwash> both testing and jessie should work
[1:12] <pycoderf> i am using testing on another pi just fine
[1:12] <diederik> ok thanks
[1:12] <pycoderf> diederik: https://bpaste.net/show/feb0aa4b2351 installer log
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[1:13] <diederik> the problem for the installer is that when using 'testing' in code make it do the wrong things over time
[1:14] <pycoderf> so until installed use jessie?
[1:14] <diederik> yes
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[1:15] <pycoderf> should i try to set jessie and reflash to see what happens
[1:15] <plugwash> diederik, though that's more of a problem with using "stable" than with using "testing"
[1:16] <diederik> pycoderf: which version of the installer are you using?
[1:16] <pycoderf> 1.0.6
[1:17] <pycoderf> should i retry with jessie in the config?
[1:17] <plugwash> checking on release names is probablly not the best practice where it can be avoided anyway, probablly better practice to check the version of the package in question
[1:17] <diederik> plugwash: good point about the version checking
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[1:18] <diederik> pycoderf: you could try, but I very much doubt it'll help
[1:19] <pycoderf> ok any additional suggestions
[1:19] <diederik> how do you flash your image?
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[1:19] <pycoderf> oh well actually i just copy/paste the files as suggested
[1:19] <pycoderf> i am doing it on windows
[1:19] <diederik> ok, so you have a FAT partition and you extract the zip file onto that?
[1:19] <pycoderf> yes
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[1:20] <pycoderf> also does post-install.txt run before a reboot or after
[1:20] <diederik> and then you place your installer-config.txt in the same place as installer.cpio and kernel_install.img?
[1:21] <pycoderf> yes
[1:21] <diederik> before reboot
[1:21] <diederik> can you pastebin the output of 'ls -l /boot/' ?
[1:21] <pycoderf> Er I already recopied the files over. Let me try to do thi install again
[1:22] <pycoderf> Additionally I am testing adding a post-install.txt with two lines. install rpi-update and run it
[1:22] <diederik> you created a new installer?
[1:22] <pycoderf> i just wiped the card and am trying again
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[1:22] <diederik> ok, can you make a screenshot of it before you put it in your Pi?
[1:23] <pycoderf> i already put it in
[1:23] <pycoderf> but i can show you the files i extracted
[1:23] <pycoderf> does that work?
[1:23] <diederik> not sure, but it won't hurt either ;)
[1:24] <diederik> You're trying to install it on a Pi 1, right?
[1:25] <pycoderf> http://i.imgur.com/XNDhK4w.png
[1:25] <pycoderf> pi 1 256mb model b but also tried a 512mb model b
[1:26] <diederik> my guess is that your file is named 'installer-config.txt.txt'
[1:26] <pycoderf> oh
[1:27] <pycoderf> good catch.
[1:27] <diederik> other files in the pic you showed are 'cmdline.txt' and 'config.txt' (and 'post-install.txt')
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[1:28] <pycoderf> oh fair enough
[1:28] <diederik> worst feature of windows 'evar' of hiding common file extension
[1:28] <pycoderf> oh yeah.
[1:28] <pycoderf> ok lets try this
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[1:29] <pycoderf> do i need a shebang in post-install.txt?
[1:29] <pycoderf> or justc ommands one per line?
[1:29] <diederik> just commands 'one per line'
[1:29] <pycoderf> ok lets give this a go
[1:30] <diederik> but if you want to test it, the easiest way would be 'echo "Hello from post-install.txt"'
[1:30] <pycoderf> ok i see it read it this time
[1:30] <diederik> good :)
[1:30] <pycoderf> so lets see what this does. byt he way, i am giving testing a go to see what breaks. to code helping and all
[1:31] <pycoderf> i know you said not directly supported. but i have console access to fix the root login thing
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[1:32] <diederik> the code I linked earlier is the only place where 'jessie' is used
[1:32] <pycoderf> seems to be stuck sitting at retrieving packages.gz
[1:32] <pycoderf> oh now it kept going.
[1:33] <pycoderf> if linux had more gaming support i would probably switch but as of the moment windows is easier for that.
[1:35] <diederik> there a more ppl keeping windows because of game support
[1:35] <pycoderf> i know. and steam support on linux is growing
[1:36] <diederik> yep :)
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[1:36] <diederik> can you post the exact content of your post-install.txt?
[1:36] <pycoderf> i use fedora at work all day. sometimes i miss some linux features on windows.
[1:37] <pycoderf> going to be annoyign when we start doing mor eubuntu stuff
[1:37] <diederik> why annoying?
[1:38] <pycoderf> i wish i could do centos on the pi. fedora is available, 1 release behind, but is very heavy even when removing packages. and it just does thing its own weird way
[1:38] <pycoderf> used to rhel/centos
[1:39] <diederik> I have hardly any experience with fedora/rhel/centos myself, but a lot of knowledge should be transferrable
[1:39] <pycoderf> yeah most is. package names and sometimes locations are different though
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[1:39] <pycoderf> again most are the same
[1:39] <Cheekio> What's the best way to stream video to raspbian?
[1:39] <pycoderf> raspbmc?
[1:40] <pycoderf> i sadly use samba to share to my media center. but windows clients drop files ont he server so it is a nessesary evil
[1:41] <diederik> I used to do that as well, but nowadays I only go to windows when I need to use a device which doesn't work with linux or requires windows
[1:41] <Cheekio> ^^
[1:41] <diederik> but that's only my scanner now and I don't use it much
[1:42] <pycoderf> like i said mine is gaming if i did not do that, or there was more support, i would switch
[1:42] <Cheekio> I only emulate windows when I need to use a device which doesn't work with linux
[1:42] <Cheekio> vmware <3
[1:42] <pycoderf> this current pi i am doign is going to be an attempt at cups/samba
[1:42] <pycoderf> wil probably fail like my last attempt though
[1:42] <diederik> practise makes perfect :-P
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[1:43] <pycoderf> true. i could do test pages last time but windows never saw the printer
[1:44] <diederik> I have no experience with sharing a printer through samba, so I can't help you there
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[1:45] <diederik> but iirc samba documentation is quite good
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[1:53] <pycoderf> it is and should eb straight forward. i have it setup as the fileserver on one machine. not a browsable share but works.
[1:53] <pycoderf> thi sis till plugging away at the install. i think it started over
[1:54] <diederik> it's likely that a jessie install takes longer then wheezy
[1:55] <pycoderf> pretty sure i already saw it installt hese packages
[1:56] <diederik> can you see whether there's a log file in /boot/ ?
[1:56] <pycoderf> i cant its till going
[2:00] <diederik> can you pastebin your post-install.txt?
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[2:04] <pycoderf> https://bpaste.net/show/bd73af400d66
[2:04] <pycoderf> it finally rebooted but this did not run
[2:06] <pycoderf> no big deal
[2:06] <pycoderf> will torubleshoot later
[2:06] <pycoderf> at least installerconfig ran
[2:07] <diederik> you need sth like: "chroot /rootfs /usr/bin/apt-get -y install <package>"
[2:08] <pycoderf> oh ok
[2:08] <pycoderf> i think it also missed a package
[2:08] <pycoderf> firmware-ralink
[2:09] <diederik> thought so
[2:09] <pycoderf> on the plus side. testing worked and put me on jessie so i see raspbian version 8
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[2:10] <diederik> the problem is that 'packages' only works for the 'main' part of the repo, and firmware usually is in 'non-free'
[2:10] <pycoderf> well diederik thanks for the help. i will try to edit this script to add the non-free tomorrow
[2:10] <pycoderf> off to bed
[2:10] <pycoderf> thanks
[2:11] <diederik> if you want to do it 'ootb' you'll have to do it in post-install.txt
[2:11] <diederik> I'm off to bed as well
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[2:30] <casey> could someone tell me how to check my used resources and find ways to cut them back?
[2:30] <casey> I've done so much random stuff on my Pi it just seems like it would get out of hand
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[8:08] <dexta> morning
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[8:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[10:22] <chrislp> Hey. My RPi b+ won't turn on today. It's been running with the same SD card for a few months running Raspbian and I have not changed anything recently. The power led and the act led both light up constantly when connected to power; no blinks or anything, just constant light. Is the sd card dead or is it something else?
[10:29] <otyugh> Well, most probably, I guess
[10:29] <otyugh> just use another sd or try to ping it from the network to confirm x)
[10:30] <chrislp> pinging it doesn't work :\
[10:32] <otyugh> Corruption happens quite frequently when there is electricity glitches
[10:33] <chrislp> would it be possible to fetch the data using a microsd card adapter and a laptop then?
[10:33] <otyugh> Yup
[10:33] <otyugh> If the header isn't too corrupted :p
[10:34] <otyugh> you could even try to fsck the card ?
[10:34] <chrislp> Ah yeah, I havn't thought of that
[10:34] <chrislp> i'll definitely give that a go when I get home
[10:35] <otyugh> good luck x)
[10:35] <chrislp> Thanks for your advice :)
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[11:18] <And1> Hey folks. When booting raspbian, I see the raspberry logo four times. Because the raspberry pi 2 has four cpu cores, right? What process/option is responsible for displaying those logos?
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[11:34] <ShorTie> they most likely just cat the cpu info and go from there
[11:34] <ShorTie> seeing as the rpi and the rpi2 have different kernels
[11:35] <And1> I would like to add this to raspbian-ua-netinst. Any idea on what I have to modify?
[11:35] <And1> RPi 2 BTW.
[11:39] <ShorTie> add it to ??
[11:40] <ShorTie> oh, nop, might talk to diederik
[11:41] <And1> I hoped it’s maybe just a config-option or something like that.
[11:41] <And1> Maybe diederik or someone else knows. Thanks so far, ShorTie!
[11:45] <Hallo32> And1: Take a lokk at line 78 forward. https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/build.sh
[11:45] <Hallo32> There is a rpi1 and rpi2 decision.
[11:47] <ShorTie> there is another option to raspbian-ua-netinst that uses the foundation stuff so the 4 raspberries would/do come up
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[11:47] <And1> Hallo32: What does that tell me but that it checks if RPi 1 or RPi 2? Sorry I’m new to building/compiling. : x
[11:48] <ShorTie> it also has options that raspbian-ua-netinst does not offer
[11:50] <Hallo32> And1: Yes, it checks the for the version and and in the same way you amy be able to change only the RPI2 version.
[11:51] <And1> Hallo32: So I could change, what I want to be changed, there? – Just that I don’t know yet how to configure these cpu core images …
[11:51] <And1> ShorTie: You mean it won’t work on raspbian-ua-netinst?
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[11:52] <Hallo32> And1: Get it first fixed on the local running version and move than the fixe to the script.
[11:54] <And1> Hallo32: Yes that sounds good! Any ideas where I can read about those cpu core images or what I have to google? I didn't find anything useful yet.
[11:54] <Hallo32> And1: Still on a rpi1.
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[11:57] <ngladitz> And1: I think that is a linux kernel feature ... check e.g. drivers/video/logo in your kernel sources
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[12:10] * diederik doesn't know what's responsible for the logos
[12:14] <And1> Pity. : /
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[12:24] <And1> diederik: Can I somehow add /etc/apt/apt.conf to my raspbian-ua-netinst root-directory (the one with Readme.md)? So it get’s installed by the built image …
[12:27] <ShorTie> you could add the file and then put a cp command in the postinstall i believe
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[12:28] <diederik> it won't do it automatically. But if you put it in the config directory then it be copied to /boot/config/ and then you can put it where you want in post-install.txt
[12:28] <diederik> And1: which version of the installer are you using?
[12:29] <And1> It should be put to /etc/apt/ before the packages in installer-config.txt are installed. Else you get lots of suggests and recommends.
[12:29] <And1> diederik: Newest git.
[12:29] <diederik> ah ok, then it will get copied to /bootfs/ automatically
[12:30] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L138
[12:30] <diederik> installer-config.txt is read as a script as well, so you can (ab)use that too
[12:31] * ShorTie thinkz, /etc/apt gets copied over and used in my_raspbian
[12:33] <ShorTie> that is where the foudation bootloader and everything comes from after the initial cdebootstrap of the image or sdcard
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[12:47] <colp2> Hi, does wheezy-backports work in raspbian?
[12:47] <avrdude> why cant i permanently set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in root?
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[12:52] <And1> diederik, ShorTie: Hm, so I could just modify the script to copy my apt.conf somewhere(?) before the line diederik just posted a link to?
[12:53] <diederik> you can do it in installer-config.txt, not sooner
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[12:54] <desrum_m> Hi everyone !
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[12:55] <And1> diederik: What would I have to put in installed-config.txt?
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[12:56] <diederik> sth like "cp /bootfs/apt.conf /rootfs/etc/apt/apt.conf"
[12:57] <diederik> (make sure the target dir exists)
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[13:00] <Hallo32> Are there server problem?
[13:00] <Hallo32> W: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages Hash Sum mismatch
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[13:02] <And1> diederik: That’s the thing I’m not sure about. WHERE has this target directory to exist? I’ve the directories bootfs, scripts and packages. Don’t quite understand where all the files which go in the .img are copied/stored/build.
[13:03] <diederik> you don't need to build your own installer
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[13:04] <diederik> You write the installer to your sd card and put your apt.conf on it and installer-config.txt
[13:04] <diederik> and then in the installer-config.txt (after the configuration parameters), you check whether /rootfs/etc/apt/ exists and if not create it
[13:05] <diederik> then you can copy your apt.conf from /bootfs/ to /rootfs/
[13:05] <diederik> Hallo32: no problems here
[13:06] <And1> Ok. Got it! Thanks! Though I would put that to the beginning of installer-config.txt, if possible.
[13:06] <Hallo32> diederik: Got just
[13:06] <Hallo32> Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/l/linux-3.18/linux-source-3.18_3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi9_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 5.153.225.207 80]
[13:06] <Hallo32> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[13:06] <Hallo32> I will just wait a bunch of time
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[13:09] <diederik> Hallo32: just saw there's a new kernel version, so you'd have to have a successful 'apt-get update' first
[13:09] <diederik> And1: I guess you can put it in the beginning as well
[13:09] <Hallo32> diederik: Okay.
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[13:11] <And1> diederik: Then it looks like this: http://lpaste.net/124389
[13:12] <diederik> should work
[13:12] <And1> Thanks a lot!
[13:12] <diederik> you can simplify it though with 'mkdir -p /rootfs/etc/apt'
[13:13] <And1> diederik: Even better!
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[13:14] <diederik> http://paste.debian.net/160553/
[13:15] <diederik> (but use your cp command)
[13:15] <And1> Uh right, I forgot the ! …
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[13:16] <diederik> afaics your statements are correct. You copy only when the dir is available
[13:17] <And1> Yeah it was vice versa the way you did it. Pardon.
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[13:24] <And1> Hm still no luck googling for these cpu core images …
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[13:27] <v0lksman> hello! is there a way to get a list of automounted mounts that were mounted since boot?
[13:27] <ngladitz> And1: hm did you miss my comment about them being part of the linux kernel?
[13:29] <And1> ngladitz: Sorry, no. I did grep and find on my build directory, but no success. As said, that’s the first time I’m building an image, so I’m not really experienced. What else could I try?
[13:30] <TheLostAdmin> v0lksman: I think the mount command will list the currently mounted filesystems. It will cover both manually and automatically. It won't show you ones that were mounted and then unmounted.
[13:31] <v0lksman> TheLostAdmin: I'm specifically looking for automounted mounts though...not ones brought in by fstab
[13:31] <ngladitz> And1: what build directory? what did you grep for? the logo code and images of the vanilla kernel are e.g. here: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/video/logo
[13:32] <ngladitz> the feature as it is listed in the kernel configuration menu seems to be "Bootup logo"
[13:32] <TheLostAdmin> v)lksman: I'm not aware of a command that can do that directly but presumably anything that isn't core to the OS and doesn't show up in fstab would be automounted.
[13:34] <TheLostAdmin> v0lksman: the only other way I know of is to read through /var/log/messages and find the mount/unmounts. I'm not sure if automounter looks any different than mount though so additional work might need to be done.
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[13:34] <v0lksman> TheLostAdmin: ok...thanks! Was hoping there was some distinction or a tracking file somewhere.. Looping it is! :)
[13:35] <Jusii> v0lksman: compare /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab. mtab contains all mounted filesystems
[13:35] <Jusii> or /proc/mounts (but no, you won't find the unmounted ones)
[13:35] <Hallo32> And1: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=11642
[13:38] <v0lksman> Jusii: will check on that...sounds like it should work though
[13:39] <TheLostAdmin> v0lksman: I'm a more traditional UNIX guy and UNIX doesn't do much, it just provides the tools to do darn near anything. I know Linux is a bit more ready-to-go (and bloody raspbian hides everything) but I don't think it does what you want without a little scripting.
[13:39] <letik> Hi everyone !Does eveyone know little things about motors controlled with a Raspberry Pi ?
[13:41] <And1> ngladitz: The git directory from raspbian-ua-netinst in which I’m building the install-image. Thanks for the keyword bootup logo and the link.
[13:41] <And1> Hallo32: I’ll read through that.
[13:42] <v0lksman> yeah I think I may be better off just comparing fstab to what is found in /media/ since it's the only area I care about. mtab contains a lot of extra mounts that don't concern me
[13:43] <diederik> And1: the installer only installs packages, so you won't find the linux source in there
[13:43] <letik> I'm trying to control a step motor with a Raspberry Pi, I will use a ULN2803 and a L293D but I need to have a gearing on the output, however, every 5V stepper motor I find, have a flat shaft :/ So, do you know why all of these motors are like that and what should I do ? Thanks !
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[13:43] <letik> Or do you know where to find a geared stepper motor ?
[13:44] <Hallo32> letik:
[13:44] <And1> diederik: So the installer already has a prebuilt kernel and probably this one is lacking the logos? ngladitz?
[13:44] <letik> Yes Hallo32 ?
[13:44] <diederik> To get the kernel with the logos you'd have to install the rpf kernel package. The raspbian.org kernel package gets installed by default and if you install the rpf kernel, you'll be asked to remove some packages (namely the raspbian.org kernel package)
[13:44] <diederik> And1: correct
[13:45] <Hallo32> letik: sorry hiiting wrong key.
[13:45] <letik> Okay Hallo32 :p
[13:46] <And1> diederik: rpf = raspberry pi foundation? – What else are the differences betweens those kernels?
[13:46] <diederik> correct on rpf
[13:47] <diederik> don't know the (exact) differences between the two.
[13:47] <diederik> the raspbian.org kernel is based on the debian kernel, but there are various patches applied on top of it
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[13:49] <And1> Ok. Then I’ll just stay with the one from raspbian-ua-netinst.
[13:50] <And1> Though, there’s one more question. I need to use snd-hifiberry-dacplus (instead of onboard sound). I saw a file in the overlays directory, but what would I have to do to not-install the onboard but install the hifiberry one, diederik?
[13:51] <diederik> I suggest you install the rpf kernel in that case
[13:52] <diederik> I don't know what has changed in the latest raspbian.org kernel, but the previous version didn't support DeviceTree
[13:52] <diederik> The rpf kernel does support it and you need that
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[13:57] <And1> diederik: Hm. The get the other kernel do I have to modify one of the build-scripts or the update-script?
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[13:59] <diederik> you could do it in post-install.txt ...
[13:59] <diederik> otherwise you could try changing here: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L106
[14:00] <diederik> you would set kernel_meta_package to raspberrypi-bootloader
[14:01] <diederik> I have never tried it, so it may fail
[14:02] <And1> So I’ll just try it. There's also snd-bcm in this file, I could replace that by snd-hifiberry-dacplus?
[14:02] <diederik> you probably have to clear the contents of /boot/config.txt
[14:03] <diederik> line 596 will fail and thus invalid lines will be written in lines 604-606
[14:05] <diederik> I'd comment out the line with snd-bcm2835
[14:06] <And1> Ok. Lines 102 and 103 also are about this soundchip.
[14:06] <diederik> also comment out lines 596-623
[14:07] <diederik> no lines 102 and 103 are not about the sound chip
[14:07] <diederik> as the name implies, they identify the hardware (RPi1 or RPi2)
[14:08] <And1> Oh ok. I though BCMxxxx is the soundchip. Sorry. : )
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[14:08] <diederik> np
[14:09] <And1> It’s even a different number after bcm I just realized.
[14:09] <diederik> yep. bcm = broadcomm
[14:09] <And1> 'dtoverlay=hifiberry-dacplus' needs to be put in /boot/config.txt to get the hifiberry DAC+ to work … https://www.hifiberry.com/guides/configuring-linux-3-18-x/
[14:10] <And1> No longer /etc/modules since the new kernel 3.18 …
[14:11] <diederik> /etc/modules still has some use, but far less then it used to be since most things should now be done through devicetree
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[14:13] <mathiatcs> hy all i want to control the camera do you know some software with html ore some code
[14:13] <And1> I’ll also copy asound.conf to /etc/ in installer-config.txt …
[14:14] <mathiatcs> yeah ok
[14:14] <mathiatcs> then ?
[14:15] <diederik> mathiatcs: And1 statement wasn't directed at you ;)
[14:16] <And1> Oops. Pardon.
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[14:28] <Hallo32> Does raspbian support suspend to RAM and Hibernation?
[14:28] <Hallo32> Just stumbled over the activated kernel option.
[14:30] <And1> diederik: With those modifications, shall I give ./update.sh and ./build.sh a try?
[14:31] <diederik> yep
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[14:37] <And1> diederik: BTW, maybe you want to replace 'sha256sum' with 'shasum -a 256' for compatibility-reasons.
[14:38] <And1> Update worked. – "Copying older, but working, version of busybox as a workaround... OK" but I also got that with the clean git clone version of raspbian-ua-netinst.
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[14:39] <And1> build.sh also seems to have worked. It was very fast, though.
[14:39] <ShorTie> since the foudations bootloader isn't in the source tree of raspbian-ua-netinst apt-get it will fail i believe
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[14:39] <And1> buildroot only works together with sudo because of fdisk …
[14:39] <ahop> Hi!
[14:40] <And1> ShorTie: Any idea on how to fix that?
[14:40] <ShorTie> my_raspbian.sh
[14:40] <And1> It will fail after writing the image to the sd-card and booting up the rpi2, right?
[14:40] <ahop> How to automount SDcard inserted in SDcard reader to /mnt/sdcard ?
[14:41] <ahop> on a RPi without any kbd or screen
[14:41] <mathiatcs> hy all i want to control the camera do you know some software with html ore some code or an idee to do this
[14:41] <And1> ShorTie: Let me google that …
[14:41] <mathiatcs> i want a simple camera software
[14:41] <ShorTie> not gonna find much on it
[14:41] <mathiatcs> for raspberry pi that capture
[14:42] <ahop> any idea ShorTie?
[14:42] <And1> diederik: Is it ok to replace jessie with wheezy in update.sh or is there a specific reason for this?
[14:42] <diederik> there is a specific reason for it
[14:44] <And1> diederik: Oh ok.
[14:44] <diederik> that the installer is build on jessie doesn't mean the target system is jessie as well (it defaults to wheezy)
[14:45] * ShorTie thinkz, jessie/wheezy is like the 1st option and builds accordingly
[14:45] <And1> ShorTie: I found a forum post from you. I see, it’s an alternative to raspbian-ua-netinst? Or is there a way I can combine it?
[14:46] <ShorTie> no real combining, more like this or that
[14:46] <ShorTie> it is a net-install
[14:47] <ShorTie> other then the files it copies from your pi
[14:48] <ShorTie> it will build an image file or directly on the sdcard, which ever you prefer
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[14:48] <And1> ShorTie: I like the way I can set up some settings and packages in raspbian-ua-netinst. So do you maybe know a workaround for apt-get failing? Can I add the rpf kernel to the source tree somehow?
[14:48] <And1> diederik: Could you tell me the reason or is it a long answer? ; )
[14:50] <ShorTie> you have to change out the bootloaader on raspbian-ua-netinst after it install/makes the sdcard to get to the foundation kernels
[14:50] <diederik> is apt-get failing?
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[14:51] <ahop> ShorTie: do you have an idea about how to automount SDcards which are inserted?
[14:52] <ahop> I found "apt-get install usbmount" but this may not work for SD
[14:52] <ShorTie> 'cat /etc/mtab' will tell you if they are mounted as what
[14:52] <ShorTie> raspbian does auto-mount by default
[14:53] <ahop> ShorTie oh really?
[14:53] <And1> diederik: I’ll try that, one moment!
[14:54] <ShorTie> Yes
[14:55] <ahop> to where ? /mnt/what?
[14:55] <ahop> I just tried by plugging a USB card reader , with a SD card plugged in
[14:55] <ShorTie> And1, what settings and packages are you after if i can ask ??
[14:56] <ahop> but nothing seems autommounted ShorTie
[14:57] <ShorTie> ok, what does 'cat /etc/mtab | grep sda' say ??
[14:57] <ahop> nothing
[14:57] <ahop> (empty)
[14:57] <And1> ShorTie: packages=alsa-base,alsa-utils,aptitude,bash-completion,curl,deborphan,git-core,libnss-mdns,mpc,mpd,ncmpcpp,nfs-common,rpi-update,rsync,screen,sudo,unzip,vim,zip + kmod,fake-hwclock,ifupdown,net-tools,isc-dhcp-client,ntp,openssh-server,vim-tiny,iputils-ping,wget,ca-certificates,rsyslog,dialog,locales,less,man-db / hostname / static ip subnet gateway nameservers / rootpw maybe /
[14:57] <ShorTie> is this raspbian or some other os ??
[14:58] <diederik> And1: it will indeed fail. You need to install the rpf kernel after line 554
[14:58] <And1> ShorTie: And copying my mpd.conf asound.conf apt.conf and motd to etc/ … that’s how far I came.
[14:58] <And1> ShorTie: Also I need hifiberry-dacplus support.
[14:58] <And1> diederik: I’ll take a look.
[14:59] <ahop> ShorTie: I use raspbian
[14:59] <ShorTie> those package can my_raspbain.sh in the apt-get xxxx xxxx' format any number of didderent places
[15:00] <ShorTie> but most of them will be pulled in as dependances
[15:00] <And1> diederik: Mh, after 547? after the echo OK of removing cdebootstrap…rc.d?
[15:01] <And1> ShorTie: Dependencies from which packages? Are there some installed by default?
[15:01] <diederik> make that line 567
[15:01] <ShorTie> like just remove the # in the line in front of ssh ntp to get all the stuff and have it setup
[15:01] <diederik> after raspberrypi.org is added to the sources and 'apt-get update' is run
[15:02] <ShorTie> what ever apt-get wants for dependancies get install, just like if you run apt-get from the command line
[15:02] <And1> diederik: So to understand you correctly, on line 567/568 I put kernel_meta_package="raspberrypi-bootloader"?
[15:03] <And1> ShorTie: But will it also install recommends and suggests?
[15:03] <And1> ShorTie: I meant, per default there are no packages but the base system installed?
[15:04] <diederik> And1: remove the '-nokernel' part on line 572
[15:05] <ShorTie> correct, just basically the base system + bootloader, there are a couple extra for cdebootstrap, just look at the include statem
[15:06] <ShorTie> like sudo and some basic system config stuff
[15:06] <And1> ShorTie: Ok. I’ll check it out if ua-netinst won’t work. But it seems to look good so far. : ) Thanks!
[15:06] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[15:07] <And1> diederik: So ne need for the kernel_meta_package line if I understand this correctly?
[15:07] <ShorTie> back to work for me anyways
[15:07] <And1> ShorTie: Have a good time!
[15:08] <diederik> yeah, it basically boils down to that
[15:09] <And1> The I’ll set this back to "". At the beginning of the script.
[15:09] <ShorTie> as a last note, maybe run my_raspian in a different window building an image, it is very verbose in what it is doing
[15:10] <ShorTie> i hide nothing, mainly for my debugging porpuses
[15:15] <And1> diederik: Where is bootfs/config.txt created?
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[15:16] <diederik> around line 601
[15:18] <And1> That's commented out.
[15:18] <And1> Ah. We commented it out earlier probably
[15:19] <diederik> true, because was it does by default isn't suited in your case
[15:19] <diederik> But you can use the same (type of) code for your own purpose ...
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[15:26] <And1> diederik: I just need to put that dtoverlay-line to config.txt
[15:26] <And1> diederik: But I can also just copy the file to bootfs/ in installer-config.txt … do I need the rpi1 and rpi2 lines?
[15:27] <And1> diederik: In config.txt … else why would we have commented it out? – If I ran the build-script before we commented it out, thatn that would explain why I have that file now.
[15:27] <diederik> if you don't provide a heading like [pi1] then it applies to all
[15:28] <And1> diederik: Yes. But aren't the file and those lines created from the part we commented out?
[15:28] <diederik> we commented it out because otherwise a kernel was tried to load which isn't there
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[15:30] <And1> diederik: I’ll run update.sh and build.sh again …
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[15:32] <And1> diederik: Oh ok. update.sh puts the lines pi1 and pi2 in /bootfs/config.txt. I misunderstood.
[15:32] <diederik> huh?
[15:33] <diederik> are you modifying update.sh?
[15:34] <And1> No.
[15:34] <And1> I just searched where those lines/the file come from.
[15:34] <diederik> oh ok, good
[15:35] <And1> In installer-config.txt I’m doing a cat config.txt >> /bootfs/config.txt which adds the dtoverlay-line to the file.
[15:35] <diederik> ok, that should be fine
[15:44] <And1> diederik: I updated, built and builtroot, but installer-config was not yet executed?
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[15:45] <diederik> no, that is used during the installation
[15:46] <And1> diederik: Yes ok. Then something else has to copy the files I want to include to bootfs/. And I have to edit the paths in installer-config.txt …
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[15:47] <diederik> you lost me as to what you want and how you're trying to accomplish it
[15:47] <And1> diederik: e.g. build.sh line 261?
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[15:47] <And1> diederik: My installer-config.txt runs these if-tests if to copy a file to /rootfs …
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[15:48] <And1> diederik: But to be able to do so, these files do have to be put somewhere in /bootfs first.
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[15:49] <diederik> you don't have to do anything with build.sh or things like that
[15:50] <diederik> (in the sense of modifying it)
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[15:50] <And1> diederik: I just saw line 266ff. In build.sh. So I just have to put the files I want to copy to bootfs into /config. Right?
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[15:51] <diederik> no
[15:52] <And1> diederik: Then I’m confused now, too.
[15:52] <sjon_> what happens if I try to use a usb hub without power source and I have not enough power on my usb port? could it damage my hardware?
[15:52] <diederik> I think you're making it WAY more complicated then needed
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[15:53] <diederik> line 266 checks whether there is a config directory and if it's there, include it in the installer. But it really is just a convenience thing.
[15:54] <And1> diederik: But I could use that. So I would not have to copy the files on my own?
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[15:54] <diederik> The idea is the following: write the installer to the sd card and then include any additional config files you need/want on the sd card itself.
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[15:55] <And1> diederik: Ok. So I’m building the images and giving it a try on thi pi. Aie?
[15:55] <diederik> and then line 138 of rcS copies it all to /bootfs/ so you access your files from there to do what you want it to do
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[15:57] <And1> Hm a display would be good for debugging reasons.
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[16:24] <And1> failed to create hard link `/boot/initrd.img-3.18.0-trunk-rpi2.dpkg-bak' => `/boot/initrd.img-3.18.0-trunk-rpi2' operation not permitted … df: warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: no such file or directory
[16:24] <And1> diederik: ^
[16:25] <And1> Installing bootloader package (=firmware)… right now. Maybe above warning is not fatal?
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[16:28] <And1> Rebooting … rainbow pixels. Seems to be frozen. Red little square in the upper right beneath the huge rainbow pixel cube thingie, diederik.
[16:28] <diederik> it's an expected issue (due to FAT)
[16:30] <diederik> I have no experience with rainbows on the Pi what-so-ever
[16:31] <And1> diederik: The power LED is red. What more can I tell you? : x ACT blinks green sometimes.
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[16:32] <And1> diederik: Seems to tell me that kernel.img is not found.
[16:32] <And1> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern – 7 blinks.
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[17:07] <And1> diederik: Is it what ShorTie guessed would happen? Or can we fix this somehow. : )
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[17:07] <diederik> I don't know
[17:08] <diederik> I don't know what you have eventually created, so I don't know whether there was anything wrong with that.
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[17:09] <diederik> Like I said earlier I lost track of what you were going to do.
[17:09] <diederik> And I basically ignore ShorTie because he has some grunch against me and/or the installer
[17:11] <And1> diederik: I see. Mh I did all the changes you told me. Can I somehow show it to you or so? Plus I added my apt.conf mpd.conf asound.conf and motd, that’s all I did. Just it was a bit complicated how I did it, that’s right.
[17:12] <diederik> if you pastebinit I could take a (quick) look
[17:16] <And1> diederik: So here is installer-config.txt http://paste.debian.net/160603/
[17:18] <And1> diederik: This is the rcS script. I fear a diff won’t satisfay you, as I remove one or two newlines and changed some intendations. http://paste.debian.net/160604/ Though here I just changed the lines you wrote on IRC.
[17:19] <diederik> can you pastebin your config.txt?
[17:19] <And1> diederik: Sure. http://paste.debian.net/160605/
[17:20] <And1> Well there’s a newline on top but paste.debian.net seems to have it removed.
[17:20] <diederik> what does 'uname -a' say?
[17:20] <And1> diederik: On what host/system? The pi does not boot up and I can't ssh to it.
[17:21] <diederik> newlines have no effect, they're just ignored
[17:21] <diederik> ah right, of course.
[17:21] <And1> But it used to say this yesterday on raspbian: Linux pi 3.18.9-v7+ #767 SMP PREEMPT Sat Mar 7 21:52:35 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[17:22] <And1> After rpi-update and so on. I tried to remove a million packages from the rpf image, but … well I ended up with you wonderful diy installer. : )
[17:25] <diederik> your rcS seems fine to me
[17:26] <diederik> I'd suggest disabling the dtoverlay (from /boot/config.txt) to see if that's the problem
[17:28] <diederik> while you're at it, you may want to check /var/log/raspbian-ua-netinst.log to see if there are any errors logged
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[17:40] <And1> diederik: Can't find that logfile.
[17:40] <diederik> oh, that's strange.
[17:40] <diederik> And in /boot/ ?
[17:41] <And1> Hm. Do you mean on the sdcard?
[17:41] <diederik> yes
[17:41] <And1> Let me figure out how to mount it correctly …
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[17:43] <And1> On OSX. I’ve not done this before.
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[17:45] <diederik> I have no experience with macs at all, so can't help you with that
[17:48] <And1> diederik: I can see/mount the rootfs folder it seems. Or bootfs. That's all.
[17:49] <diederik> then I'd guess the installation failed miserably
[17:50] <And1> Everything else looked ok on my display. : x Can it be because of this FAT warning/error?
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[17:50] <diederik> nope
[17:51] <diederik> dpkg tries to create a hardlink, but FAT doesn't support that.
[17:51] <And1> diederik: Oh well. Probably I can't see ext4 partitions. -.-
[17:51] <And1> Hm.
[17:51] <diederik> That only means that it can't create a backup of the old one
[17:52] <And1> Let me take a little walk to my debian server.
[17:52] <diederik> the ext4 partition contains the whole system, except /boot/
[17:53] <And1> diederik: Ok. Mounted the second partition.
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[17:57] <And1> diederik: The log you wanted to see: http://paste.debian.net/160612/
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[18:00] <diederik> looks like it installed the raspbian kernel and not the rpf one
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[18:04] <diederik> what kernels (.img) have you on your /boot/ partition?
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[18:05] <And1> diederik: http://paste.debian.net/160613/
[18:05] <diederik> pastebin 'ls -l /boot/'
[18:06] <And1> boot is empty, the other partition is the boot-partition, right? Not that I’m giving you wrong information…
[18:07] <And1> http://paste.debian.net/160614/
[18:07] <And1> Uh. That’s wrong. Sorry.
[18:07] <diederik> phew!
[18:08] <And1> That’s the boot-partition of my server. …
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[18:09] <And1> That’s the content of the first partition on the sd-card: http://paste.debian.net/160615/
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[18:10] <Steven__> Hello
[18:10] <Steven__> So I have a Raspberry Pi, the newest model. I am running chromium to display a dashboard. Every hour or so the thing crashes with a white screen, and the error is The webpage at (url here) might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. Error 137 (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED)L Unknown error As soon as I hit refresh on the web browser everything works for about another hour or so. Any ideas
[18:12] <diederik> And1: comment out the dtoverlay line and add http://paste.debian.net/160617/ to your /boot/config.txt
[18:13] <diederik> That probably makes your system boot, but it's NOT using the rpf kernel which likely isn't installed
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[18:14] <Steven__> Ohh awesome I will give that a shot thank you for the input
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[18:14] <diederik> Steven__: my comment wasn't directed at you
[18:16] <Steven__> Okay, sorry I did not see the history.. no worries.
[18:17] <And1> diederik: The config.txt file is not located on the boot/-partition, is it? : o
[18:17] <diederik> yes it is
[18:17] <And1> config-reinstall.txt?
[18:18] <diederik> hmm you'll have to create it
[18:19] <diederik> http://paste.debian.net/160605/ <- is apparently NOT your /boot/config.txt
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[18:22] <And1> diederik: This is the config.txt in /bootfs/ after running build.sh: http://paste.debian.net/160618/
[18:23] <diederik> that is for the installer itself
[18:23] <And1> And then installer-config appends the other part on the bottom of this file? The paste you just posted.
[18:23] <diederik> no, that's a seperate file
[18:23] <diederik> the paste I posted is for the installed system
[18:24] <And1> So is this the reason why I don't at all have a config.txt on my boot partition now?
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[18:27] <diederik> could be. I have a feeling that you're mixing up various things making it impossible for me to figure out what's going on
[18:27] <And1> diederik: The things in installer-config are meant for the installation. – I think that’s what I misunderstood completely?
[18:27] <diederik> installer-config.txt is indeed meant to configure the installation
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[18:28] <And1> diederik: So, the etc-files should be copied to the /etc directory of the rpi2. Also the config.txt shall be copied to rpi2s /boot directory.
[18:29] <diederik> yes
[18:30] <And1> diederik: Then why is there no boot-partition/config.txt and none of my files in root-partition/etc/?
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[18:31] <diederik> because paths are wrong or don't exist (yet)?
[18:33] <diederik> another thing that may be wrong is "[[" instead of just "["
[18:33] <diederik> it's not bash, but busybox's sh that interprets the script
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[18:34] <And1> diederik: Ok, changed the parentheses. Are the paths wrong?
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[18:34] <diederik> you copy config.txt to the wrong location
[18:35] <And1> BTW, how about that exit in the first if?
[18:35] <And1> Where hast config to be put?
[18:36] <diederik> in /rootfs/boot/
[18:36] <TheSnide> diederik: side note, having only 1 partition on SD card is quite unobvious to jack
[18:36] <TheSnide> hack
[18:37] <TheSnide> ... specially the "leave the partitions as is" part ;)
[18:37] <diederik> sorry, I don't follow
[18:37] <TheSnide> diederik: ... no pb. was about my quest for vfat rootfs ;)
[18:37] <And1> diederik: Then I have to copy it to this location and then append the dtoverlay-part to this new config-file? (Or not append it if you think this will break things, but that would be the way?)
[18:38] <TheSnide> take a vendor formatted vanilla SD. put the files on it. then have raspbian install itself on that.
[18:39] <diederik> And1: you don't have the rpf kernel installed, so the dtoverlay will not work and could very well make the raspbian.org kernel not work
[18:40] <TheSnide> without any repartionning nor reformating
[18:40] <And1> diederik: Ok. So comment this out.
[18:41] <And1> diederik: Then this is the corrected version: http://paste.debian.net/160621/
[18:42] <diederik> And1: could work.
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[18:43] <And1> I could copy everything from config/etc/* to the other etc/, wildcards are ok in busybox I assume.
[18:43] <diederik> I actually suggest you do an installation OOTB and configure your system afterwards manually
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[18:44] <And1> diederik: The only "problem" with this is that I don't want apt to install all those recommends and suggests. But ok, if it won't work like I tried.
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[18:45] <And1> diederik: Ok then I’ll build again. Any ideas so far what’s the problem with the kernel? So were back to using the kernel which comes with raspbian-ua-netinst, right? Just I get it right.
[18:45] <diederik> I think it's great if you or anyone else wants to hack on the installer, but it feel like I'm doing all the hacking for you
[18:46] <diederik> apt doesn't install suggests ootb, but it does with recommends. And for >90% of users that is what they want
[18:47] <And1> diederik: Yes your are extremely helpful! Well ok. Then I just install the system and afterwards I can change to the rpr kernel somehow?
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[18:47] <diederik> yes, afterwards you install 'raspberrypi-bootloader'
[18:48] <diederik> that'll want to remove some packages and you should let it.
[18:48] <diederik> and you should also delete/comment out the lines with 'kernel' and 'initramfs' from /boot/config.txt
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[18:49] <diederik> that way it uses the default, which is for RPi2 kernel7.img, which raspberrypi-bootloader installs for you
[18:50] <And1> Are you talking about my messed up build or the default one?
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[18:50] <diederik> use the default one
[18:51] <And1> And then I don't need to comment something out, right?
[18:52] <diederik> just use this: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/releases/tag/v1.0.7-beta
[18:52] <diederik> after the installation has finished to the things I just described
[18:54] <And1> diederik: Ok. I’ll try it out.
[18:55] <diederik> good luck
[18:56] <And1> diederik: Thanks! : ) Gonne take a walk to my display … thanks very much for all of your help today! I’ll be back in some minutes.
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[19:38] <Hallo32> Any idea, why the pi is so slow on the wlan?
[19:38] <Hallo32> 0 packets transmitted, 27 received, 10% packet loss, time 29042ms
[19:38] <Hallo32> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.107/92.079/268.821/72.393 ms
[19:40] <shiftplusone> diederik, any plans to support pi2 in ua-netinst? (sorry, you probably get asked this quite a bit)
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[19:46] <ShorTie> it's been implamented
[19:50] <Payo> yeah it works shiftplusone
[19:50] <Payo> I installed it earlier
[19:50] <shiftplusone> =/
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> in raspbian-ua-netinst-v1.0.6 ?
[19:52] <Payo> .7
[19:52] <Payo> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/releases/tag/v1.0.7-beta
[19:52] <shiftplusone> aha
[19:52] <shiftplusone> thanks
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[19:55] <diederik> shiftplusone: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/180
[19:56] <shiftplusone> diederik, yeah, sorry I should've checked the issues first
[19:56] <diederik> np :)
[19:56] <diederik> thing to note is that it doesn't support devicetree (yet)
[19:57] <shiftplusone> not really important for an installer though
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[19:58] <diederik> no, but the (default) installed kernel doesn't either
[19:58] <Payo> what's that?
[19:58] <shiftplusone> yeah, but the first thing I do is nuke that kernel and install the foundation one =P
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[19:59] <diederik> that's an excellent solution (Y)
[19:59] <Payo> how do you do that ? rpi-update does that?
[19:59] <diederik> Payo: you mean devicetree?
[19:59] <Payo> yes
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[19:59] <shiftplusone> install raspberrypi-bootloader from the raspberrypi.org repo and unpin the stuff the installer pins.
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[20:00] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is a tool of the devil, don't use it without a good reason.
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[20:01] <diederik> Payo: it's a way to automatically configure hardware
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[20:02] <diederik> I thought raspberrypi.org has a good document on it, but can't find it atm
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[20:03] <diederik> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/device-tree.md
[20:03] <Payo> thanks
[20:04] <shiftplusone> It avoids the problem we have when we want to make devices work out of the box without defining everything as a part of the raspberry pi platform. You just enable the overlays you want and it registers/configures those devices.
[20:05] <shiftplusone> and HATs can have their own overlay burned into the EEPROM, so the user doesn't have to do anything.
[20:05] <ShorTie> doc is in the README in the /boot/overlays
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[20:11] <Payo> shiftplusone what did you mean by "unpin the stuff the installer pins." ?
[20:11] <shiftplusone> Payo, https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L559
[20:12] <Payo> thanks
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[20:34] <pii4> Hi
[20:34] <pii4> im tring to debug a process under raspbian
[20:34] <pii4> im getting , ptrace operation not permitted ?
[20:35] <pii4> and i dont have /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope!
[20:35] <pii4> any idea ?
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[22:27] <And1> diederik: RPi2 is booting. I installed the package raspberrypi-bootloader, Linux himbeere 3.18.0-trunk-rpi2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi15 (2015-03-07) armv7l GNU/Linux
[22:29] <And1> diederik: Is this already the rpf-kernel? Maybe I need to modify apt source list …
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[22:31] <shiftplusone> And1, check config.txt, it's probably still loading the old kernel
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[22:32] <diederik> what shiftplusone said
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[22:34] <And1> Thought I would update this file automatically. Which one should be loaded? http://paste.debian.net/160672/
[22:34] <diederik> just remove/comment out the 'kernel' and 'initramfs' lines
[22:34] <shiftplusone> kernel7.img on a pi2, but I recommend just clearing the settings out
[22:34] <shiftplusone> it will default to the right files
[22:36] <And1> diederik, shiftplusone: Thanks! diederik I just remeber you wrote that some hours ago, sorry. : )
[22:36] <diederik> np :)
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[22:37] <And1> So time for a reboot.
[22:39] <And1> Linux himbeere 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
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[22:41] <And1> Great, I can start alsamixer!
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[22:54] <And1> Yesterday I used the huuuuge raspberrypi.org image … after rpi-update I had this: Linux pi 3.18.9-v7+ #767 SMP PREEMPT Sat Mar 7 21:52:35 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[22:55] <And1> Why do I have 3.18-7 now? Just would like to understand what’s going on. : )
[22:55] <shiftplusone> And1, rpi-update pulls in the bleeding edge firmware and kernel
[22:56] <shiftplusone> the raspberrpi-bootloader stuff is better tested.
[22:56] <And1> shiftplusone: I also did rpi-update now. Accidently to be honest. : x
[22:56] <shiftplusone> So whoever told you to use rpi-update before should be slapped.
[22:56] <shiftplusone> unless it was me of course.
[22:57] <And1> So I should NOT use it in the future? Best to uninstall it?
[22:57] <And1> s/uninstall/purge
[22:57] <shiftplusone> There are cases when it's useful.
[23:00] <And1> Is there something I can remove from /boot? Unused kernels or somesuch. http://paste.debian.net/160674/
[23:00] <shiftplusone> Do you intend to use the netinstaller on the same card again without needing to write new files in?
[23:01] <And1> Also I wonder if I have to use dtparam=i2s=on because of my DAC. : x
[23:01] <And1> shiftplusone: Mh … I don't think so?
[23:01] <And1> shiftplusone: If everything works now … I'll make an image and then I don't have to reinstall re-set-up again.
[23:02] <shiftplusone> then you can remove all the cpio files, *install.img, vmlinuz* all the non config.txt config* files
[23:02] <diederik> if you don't have a Pi 1, you can safe delte installer-rpi1.cpio and kernel-rpi1_install.img
[23:03] <shiftplusone> all you need is overlays, *dtb, kernel7.img, bootcode.bin, fixup* and *elf
[23:03] <shiftplusone> cmdline.txt and config.txt are good to have as well
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[23:06] <And1> Great thanks! http://paste.debian.net/160677/
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[23:07] <And1> Could I boot that sd-card in a raspberry pi b/b+? Because there are these dtb-files.
[23:07] <shiftplusone> if you don't plan to use rpi-update, you can remove the hidden file as well
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[23:07] <shiftplusone> no, you can't because you're now missing kernel.img
[23:09] <diederik> iirc rpi-update makes a backup before it does it's thing ... can that be used? (or is that gone now as well)
[23:09] <shiftplusone> should be /boot.bak I think
[23:10] <shiftplusone> /boot.something anyway
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[23:10] <And1> /boot.bak exists.
[23:10] <diederik> /boot.bak sounds about right
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[23:11] <And1> So I copied /boot.bak/kernel.img to /boot/.
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[23:11] <diederik> you could even use it to 'undo' the rpi-update operation
[23:12] <And1> /initrd.img and /vmlinuz.img point to missing files now.
[23:12] <And1> diederik: Do I want that?
[23:12] <And1> Good kind of question. : x
[23:12] <shiftplusone> you don't
[23:12] <shiftplusone> wait
[23:13] <shiftplusone> uninstall the package that installed them
[23:13] <shiftplusone> apt-get remove linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi2 linux-image-rpi2-rpfv ?
[23:13] * diederik thinks shiftplusone has a better plan that I would
[23:13] <shiftplusone> just apt-get remove linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi2 should do
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[23:14] <shiftplusone> diederik, what was your plan? Was it to go make some tea? I like that plan. I'll go do that.
[23:14] <diederik> I'd do the -rpfv one, which should also uninstall the -rpi2 kernel
[23:14] <And1> Both packages will be removed …
[23:15] <diederik> the -rpi2 package is installed as a dependency of the -rpfv one
[23:15] <diederik> So by removing the -rpfv, the -rpi2 will be removed as well
[23:15] <And1> http://paste.debian.net/160679/
[23:15] <And1> diederik: Ah ok! Makes sense.
[23:16] <diederik> you could also do "aptitude purge ~c"
[23:18] <And1> What are reasons to use rpi-update?
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[23:19] <diederik> only reason to use it is when you're told to do so by one of the rpf (firmware) engineers
[23:19] <shiftplusone> And1, to install specific versions of the firmware or to test new features.
[23:19] <And1> So, no /vmlinuz.img and /initrd.img links/files now. That's ok?
[23:19] <shiftplusone> features/fixes
[23:19] <And1> Then I think I'll purge it, until I need it some day.
[23:19] <And1> Before again accidentally running it. ; )
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[23:19] <diederik> the vmlinuz/initrd are specific to the raspbian/debian packages
[23:21] <And1> Ok!
[23:22] <acidjazz> this might be sort of a dump question but anyone ever have to write connectivity checking in node? see if the internet is out there? any easy way?
[23:24] <And1> So, now that kernel.img is back in boot/, would it be possible to boot on other raspberry pi models?
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[23:25] <diederik> yes, that should work
[23:26] <And1> diederik: Great!
[23:26] <And1> Then I think it's time to backup my sd-card to an .img file …
[23:26] <And1> Before fiddling around some more.
[23:27] <diederik> making backups is always a good idea
[23:27] <And1> backup & installer : )
[23:27] <And1> Well, probably install is the wrong word here, though.
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[23:33] <And1> What's '/etc/group-' (with minus) for?
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[23:34] <And1> backup file for /etc/group?
[23:34] <diederik> I think it's a ~ not a - and I believe it's a backup
[23:37] <And1> It's a minus. Also in /etc/shadow- and /etc/gshadow- for example. The ~ is also sometimes there e.g. in /etc/gnupg/trusted.gpg~. And for sure there's -old and -dist and -dpkg. : P
[23:50] <pad555> TEST
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