#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-15

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:08] <rschulman1> plugwash: Sorry, I stepped away earlier and my computer went to sleep but apt-get update did the trick. I should have tried that before asking!
[0:08] <rschulman1> thanks
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[2:13] <Cheekio> If anyone's interested in a fun raspberrypi2 debugging challege, check out this awesome problem I'm having: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=104055
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[3:39] <modulx> hello guys :)
[3:42] <modulx> none's here ?
[3:42] <modulx> :'(
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[5:04] <Darkhand> Hi all, question about the Raspbian 1-wire implementation. tldr; All signs point to the fact that concurrent reads of multiple DS18B20 temp sensors shouldn't be possible, but a Bash script using concurrent reads allows it to work. A similar python script using I/O threading does not work. I wrote up full details here if you're able to help: https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=70150&p=356229
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[5:08] <Chillum> they call it 1-wire but it uses 3 wires?
[5:08] <Darkhand> That was my first question when I learned about it. :)
[5:09] <Chillum> I assume it needs calibrating
[5:09] <Darkhand> They should rename it 1-wire-plus-a-power-wire-plus-a-ground-wire
[5:09] <Darkhand> ;)
[5:09] <Chillum> if you have an IR sensor you can get the temp and figure out what multiplier you need to make it right
[5:09] <Chillum> or better yet measure at several points and make a calibration curve
[5:09] <Chillum> IR thermometer that is
[5:11] <Darkhand> There are lots of ways to get temperature, yep. I have 10 sensrs I need to read at the same time though, and these sensors are cheap. The 'cheat' I found to get them to read at the same time seems to go against what the documentation says, and it's become a bigger question than my original one
[5:12] <Darkhand> i.e.- Why can I read them all at once? It shouldn't work! It's all in that forum post
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[5:46] <advx_> Hello Good Morning all, have a great sunday...
[6:37] <advx_> any new projects for pi2 ppl?
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[8:06] <box> hi guys, where can I find an example to use SPI with DMA from userland C code?
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[10:21] <teK_> hello, I am trying to use your netinstaller (from your 1.0.6/1.0.7b image) but it will stall "randomly" on different packages during retrieval. I switched mirrors, raspberries and no/router as connection to the internet. Is this a known problem?
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[10:26] <shiftplusone> doesn't sound like a problem with the netinstaller
[10:28] <teK_> my internet connection is stable otherwhise
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[10:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[10:36] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[10:36] <lordievader> Hey shiftplusone
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[11:25] <johndoe> i lost ssh access after enabling boot to Scratch, does anyone know why this happens?
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[11:26] <shiftplusone> johndoe, that's not a thing that happens. If it does, there's probably a power issue causing network to drop out with added load, perhaps.
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[11:46] <johndoe> i doubt it
[11:46] <johndoe> shiftplusone: ill check later what happens exactly when i get access to a monitor and keyboard
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[15:43] <Guest5081> Hey guys do you know where I can find out the repository/source code of raspbian?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> Guest5081, for what exactly?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> raspbian isn't a thing, it's a collection of other things.
[15:45] <Guest5081> shiftplusone: what you mean? I would like to see how it is done, and clone it to modify it to remove something that I don't need
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[15:45] <shiftplusone> remove what?
[15:46] <Chillum> you are best off to start with the raspbian image then use "apt-get purge" to remove stuff you don't want
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[15:46] <Chillum> in theory something like debootstrap could create a base image
[15:47] <Payo_> if you want a minimal raspbian you can use the unattended netinstall
[15:47] <Chillum> not sure if raspbian is compatible with that
[15:47] <Payo_> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[15:47] <Guest5081> Chillum: thanks! But how to keep those changes for nexts installs?
[15:47] <Chillum> you may want to start with "Snappy Ubuntu Core" instead
[15:48] <Chillum> much smaller
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[15:48] <shiftplusone> To clarify. raspbian is a repository of software packages (each one comes with a source package)
[15:48] <Payo_> it's not even in beta yet
[15:48] <shiftplusone> it sounds like you're not talking about raspbian, but the foundation's image.
[15:48] <Payo_> use the raspbian installer
[15:48] <Guest5081> Chillum: oh cool I didn't know about it
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[15:49] <Guest5081> Payo_: wow sounds great the raspbian-ua-netinst
[15:49] <Chillum> ya, I think Payo_'s idea is best if it works
[15:50] <Payo_> the default install if you use that takes around 300/350MB
[15:50] <Payo_> you can add the packages you want to a .txt and it'll install them
[15:51] <Chillum> fancy
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[15:51] <Guest5081> It looks like what I'm looking!
[15:51] <Payo_> you can also install jessie directly if you want that
[15:51] <Payo_> I'm using it on a pi 1 B and a pi 2, works great
[15:52] <Guest5081> Thanks again guys! I'll start working on it :+1:
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[15:53] <Peio> then when you're done you make an image and back it up and you can flash your custom raspbian any time you want :)
[15:53] <Peio> oops
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[16:17] <johndoe> can i somehow edit raspbian's settings directly on the sd card?
[16:17] <johndoe> because it aint booting atm
[16:17] <johndoe> last "sudo raspi-config" screwed it up
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[16:18] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean
[16:18] <Chillum> You can edit files and stuff. If you want to run a script you might be able to do some of it in a chroot
[16:18] <Chillum> but not everything
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[16:18] <shiftplusone> but raspi-config doesn't have the capacity to screw things up, so more info would be needed
[16:18] <johndoe> yes, editing config files!
[16:19] <johndoe> i changed the default boot mode from console to Scratch, thats all i remember
[16:19] <johndoe> maybe i can undo this change
[16:19] <Chillum> yes you should be able to modify config files from the SD card.
[16:19] <johndoe> ok, great! do you know where i can find the files that raspi-config modifies?
[16:19] <Chillum> If you need to run a tool or a script from the SD card it becomes more complicated
[16:20] <johndoe> i know :)
[16:20] <Chillum> Good question. I don't know where it decides to run X
[16:20] <Chillum> someone here will know though
[16:20] <johndoe> hm, maybe i could go thru all the files and find the ones with the most recent modification times
[16:20] <Chillum> that might work
[16:21] <Chillum> grep them for "startx"
[16:21] <johndoe> roger
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[16:25] <Chillum> hey johndoe, according to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12007 if you bridge pins 5 and 6 it will boot in safe mode
[16:25] <johndoe> awesome :D
[16:26] <Chillum> it is an old post but might still work
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[17:34] <johndoe> apparently i _can_ get an ssh connection
[17:34] <johndoe> but the device shuts down after half a minute
[17:34] <johndoe> how can i prevent a shutdown?
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[17:38] <johndoe> nvm, got it
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[17:53] <Chillum> worked it out johndoe?
[17:53] <Chillum> for my own reference did that pin bridge safe mode work?
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[18:19] <johndoe> Chillum: nop, apparently it doesnt work on the newer models
[18:19] <johndoe> but i can boot it using pin 5
[18:20] <Chillum> good to know
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[18:23] <johndoe> is it weird if i prefer ssh access to direct one?
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[18:39] <Getty> johndoe: if you use the raspberry not as workstation how else you get access to it?
[18:40] <Getty> johndoe: and other around: if you dont have a workstation how you ssh access your raspberry pi?
[18:40] <Getty> johndoe: so your question is really ........... stupid
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[18:48] <johndoe> Getty: i speak wifi
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[18:50] <johndoe> recommendations for remote gui access?
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[18:51] <methuzla> vlc
[18:51] <shiftplusone> lol
[18:51] <shiftplusone> *vnc
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[18:52] <methuzla> oops. yeah. that one.
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[19:03] <Cheekio> Has anyone had luck with getting vlc on the pi2 in raspbian?
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[19:12] <johndoe> Cheekio: thats what im trying to do right now
[19:12] <johndoe> my friend has, for one
[19:12] <johndoe> said it was extremely simple
[19:12] <johndoe> Cheekio: oops, vnc, not vlc.
[19:12] <Cheekio> haha
[19:13] <johndoe> damn you shiftplusone
[19:13] <shiftplusone> huh? what did I do?
[19:13] <shiftplusone> oh, lol
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[19:18] <itisme> I'm running into an issue SSH-ing into my pi. I can't seem to find the ip address of my pi. When I run ifconfig, in the eth0 section, there is no mention of "int addr"
[19:18] <itisme> could someone help me out?
[19:20] <methuzla> itisme how are you accessing your pi if you can't ssh in?
[19:21] <itisme> I've got the pi hooked up to my laptop, but the pi is also connected to an external monitor and keyboard
[19:22] <methuzla> you've directly connected a network cable between pi and laptop?
[19:22] <itisme> yes
[19:22] <Chillum> you need to setup static ips as your laptop probably does not have dhcp
[19:23] <methuzla> you'll need to edit the eth0 section of /etc/network/interfaces to statically assign an ip address
[19:24] <itisme> yeah I tried looking into setting a static ip, but the guide I implied that I should at least see some address in eth0
[19:24] <itisme> *the guide I found
[19:25] <methuzla> not unless your laptop is running a DHCP server
[19:25] <itisme> it isn't
[19:26] <HyP3r> I'm just having problems with ipython 3 and slidemode. Can someone help me with that?
[19:29] <itisme> I also see nothing in my netstat -nr
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[19:33] <itisme> would setting my pi to a static address cause a connection to show up in netstat -nr?\
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[19:35] <Stanto> itisme: no
[19:35] <bigmac> im trying to configure my pi as a repeater, im trying to configure for max speeds of course
[19:35] <Stanto> Unless something started using it
[19:36] <bigmac> i just read, WPA2 is mandatory with wireless protocol to achieve the speeds you desire
[19:36] <bigmac> is this true?
[19:36] <bigmac> wireles N protocol
[19:36] <Stanto> bigmac: if you're wanting the highest speed possible from WiFi, then you disable all encryption.
[19:36] <Stanto> I wouldn't encourage disabling encryption
[19:37] <lordievader> Not really something you want to do.
[19:37] <bigmac> ok, that is currently my setup...
[19:37] <Stanto> bigmac: If you don't have any encryption setup, then anyone can access it or monitor it.
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[19:38] <bigmac> sure, currently im just testing, monitoring everything... i would be the first to see any client traffic
[19:38] <lordievader> bigmac: How have you set it up currently? As an acces point?
[19:38] <bigmac> trying to tweak performance, monitoring each client bandwidth, looking for the choke hold
[19:39] <Stanto> WiFi performance is mainly down to distance, power output, antenna gain (both reception and transmitter) and obstruction of signal.
[19:39] <bigmac> there are 3 device's involved with this setup, The pi is running dnsmasq to serve dhcp request to a wireless router connected to eth0...
[19:40] <Stanto> Wireless access point, or access point and router with switch combo ?
[19:40] <bigmac> i have a alfa awus036nha associated with a access point, zero packet loss currently
[19:40] <bigmac> pi + ddwrt + alfa adapter
[19:41] <bigmac> my-droid-phone -> ddwrt -> pi_dnsmasq -> alfa-nha -> (netgear-internet)
[19:42] <Stanto> Your limit is the speed of the Pi and the fact it's attempting to be USB2.
[19:43] <bigmac> if i login to the pi, wget testmy.net/dl-5000 --user-agent mozilla ---> 7.mbps
[19:43] <bigmac> wget testmy.net/dl-5000 --user-agent mozilla ---> 7.mbps
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[19:43] <lordievader> Did you know that the ethernet and usb ports share the same bus (on older models at least).
[19:43] <Stanto> lordievader: on all models
[19:44] <bigmac> raspberry pi b+, ?
[19:44] <lordievader> Also on the new Pi2?
[19:44] <Stanto> Believe so.
[19:44] <bigmac> so they all fight for the data transfer ?
[19:44] <bigmac> in lame terms?
[19:44] <Stanto> pretty much
[19:44] <bigmac> i think i read a sentence about that
[19:44] <lordievader> bigmac: In your case, whatever comes in via the radio fights with whatever goes to the router.
[19:45] <bigmac> makes sense...
[19:45] <Stanto> and how fast it does it at is limited by the speed of the pi processor
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[19:45] <bigmac> so, 7mbps should be possible throughput ?
[19:45] <Stanto> megabits per second?
[19:45] <bigmac> i have noticed huge drag depending on the applications im running, cpu usage etc
[19:46] <Stanto> Fastest speed I've noticed on file transfers to/from Pi from ethernet to USB has been 2mBytes-3mBytes per second
[19:47] <Peio> is that on an ntfs drive Stanto ?
[19:47] <Stanto> ext3
[19:47] <Peio> you should get higher speed with ext3
[19:47] <bigmac> i have been trying several bandwidth test for local use
[19:47] <bigmac> iperf
[19:48] <Stanto> Peio: should? didn't.
[19:48] <Peio> well I can't try with a pi 1 right now but on a pi 2 I get 10.5MB/s
[19:48] <bigmac> and i wiped up my own, `cat /dev/random | nc -l -p 666`
[19:48] <bigmac> wget get that will show some speeds
[19:48] <Stanto> Pi2 is going to be faster, you'll be limited by the processor somewhat less.
[19:48] <Peio> yeah but i'm pretty sure even on a pi what you're getting isn't normal
[19:48] <Peio> was that a usb stick or hard drive?
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[19:49] <dawuud> howdy folks
[19:49] <Stanto> USB2.0 SATA hardrive enclosure, containing 7200rpm seagate drive which was capable of sata3.
[19:50] <Stanto> bigmac: what class SD card do you have in it?
[19:50] <dawuud> please help me shame @Raspberry_Pi until they turn on https for distributing images+hashes http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[19:50] <dawuud> btw where's the docs explaining how to build my own image?
[19:50] <Stanto> dawuud: if you think you have to shame them you're doing it wrong.
[19:51] <Peio> weird Stanto
[19:51] <Peio> i'll try again if I get my pi 1 back :P
[19:51] <bigmac> so, 32 gig calss 10, i have seen some errors indicating failure, i have ordered a new one
[19:51] <dawuud> Stanto: i am unfamiliar with the concept of not shaming. please explain.
[19:51] <bigmac> so, eth0 is rated at 100mpbs ?
[19:51] <Stanto> dawuud: asking nicely and justifying why it's worthwhile tends to be a thing.
[19:52] <Stanto> I mean you are asking them to spend money on a cert' for something that really doesn't need it.
[19:52] <dawuud> we shouldn't have to explain why in these days of the Edward Snowden apocalypse
[19:53] <Stanto> dawuud: because images and hashes are really so in need of securing? #doubtit
[19:53] <dawuud> Stanto: you are so wrong that is almost comical; everything needs https because NSA Quantum Insert.
[19:53] <dawuud> ever heard of TCP injection attacks via man-on-the-side?
[19:53] <Stanto> For downloading a raspberry pi image
[19:54] <dawuud> yes i agree that just downloading the hashes via https would be sufficient to authenticate.
[19:54] <dawuud> however... there are other concerns. security concerns involving injection attacks.
[19:54] <Stanto> For a raspberry pi image
[19:55] <shiftplusone> yes 'shaming'... that's a good way to ask someone to do something for you.
[19:55] <dawuud> it's not for me... it's for the world.
[19:55] <Stanto> A pi image
[19:55] <shiftplusone> oh, the world.
[19:55] <dawuud> if you visit any http via a browser you can get pwn'ed.
[19:55] <Stanto> From a pi image?
[19:56] <lordievader> 'can'...
[19:56] <dawuud> you can receive for instance a TCP handshake hijack which redirects your browser to an arbitrary url which then pwns your browser.
[19:56] <Stanto> For a pi image?
[19:56] <bigmac> dawuud: most impotent stuff is pretty secure
[19:56] <lordievader> dawuud: If intances wanted your data, they'd already have it.
[19:57] <bigmac> man on the side, do you mean man in the middle?
[19:57] <Stanto> Like having a bit on the side?
[19:57] <bigmac> you will see mostly encrypted data
[19:57] <Stanto> nudge nudge, wink wink.
[19:57] <dawuud> oh gees i don't have time to explain the Snoden docs to you all. just know that http isn't safe for your browser because an attack can inject arbitrary data.
[19:58] <dawuud> s/Snoden/Snowden/
[19:58] <bigmac> i have wrote scripts for data swap's/injection
[19:58] <Stanto> If you think people care enough about a Pi image you're gonna have a bad time
[19:58] <bigmac> some proxies and sniffers
[19:59] <bigmac> do you know how to perform these attacks are is this something you read about
[20:01] <bigmac> i have triggered anti-virus software to download there update package directly from my machine instead of synaptic
[20:01] <dawuud> Stanto: if you used a regular browser to dl a pi image via http then your browser might've gotten pwn'ed AND you might've gotten a malicious image. both concerns... do not conflate.
[20:01] <dawuud> bigmac: i'm an expert on the subject.
[20:02] <bigmac> show me a link that supports http download of the pi image
[20:02] <dawuud> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[20:02] <bigmac> me too ,-)
[20:02] <dawuud> bigmac: i've implemented two of the attacks in golang... and i'm working on a detection system for ALL the TCP injection attacks.
[20:04] <bigmac> i was trying to crack some anti-virus update (in the dark), i could never get the payload to execute, something about a timestamp i never found and modified
[20:04] <bigmac> evilgrade style attack
[20:05] <bigmac> the fact that this anti virus software would download there update directly off my machine was a success in my opinion... but failed to get a shell
[20:06] <dawuud> i don't know much about malware... but i know about TCP attacks
[20:07] <bigmac> meterpreter ?
[20:07] <dawuud> here's an example of a TCP handshake hijack attack i wrote: https://github.com/david415/HoneyBadger/blob/master/cmd/handshakeHijacker/main.go
[20:08] <dawuud> sooo does anyone actually build their own images? i'm interested in doing that.
[20:08] <dawuud> i mean raspbian images.
[20:08] <shiftplusone> look up spindle
[20:08] <Peio> you can use the netinstaller, not sure if it'll satisfy your needs: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/
[20:08] <bigmac> i use kali, for my projects...
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[20:08] <dawuud> Peio: yes... the netinstaller seems promising.
[20:09] <dawuud> Peio: i was thinking that the netinstaller is probably the easiest way to verifiably install raspbian...
[20:10] <dawuud> now verifying the netinstaller must be done somehow.
[20:11] * dawuud goes to check if raspbian-ua-netinst
[20:11] <dawuud> has gpg signed release tags? or maybe i just trust github.
[20:12] <dawuud> everything is so broken!
[20:12] <shiftplusone> Only if you're under the false illusion that the web can be secure.
[20:13] <dawuud> shiftplusone: have you not heard of deterministic builds? debian is currently working on it!
[20:13] <wiiguy> deterministic builds ?
[20:13] * shiftplusone googles
[20:14] <dawuud> wiiguy: shiftplusone: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds
[20:14] <wiiguy> hmmm
[20:15] <wiiguy> intresting
[20:15] <bigmac> dawuud: http://pastebin.com/n7AHi5Ny
[20:15] <wiiguy> ty
[20:16] <bigmac> its a proxy that will swap all file downloads with a backdoor.exe... tcp stuff
[20:16] <dawuud> bigmac: hold on... i gotta spin up tbb on a vnc/vps to look at that http link
[20:16] <bigmac> just a quick example i have shared with a few friends
[20:16] <dawuud> hmm sounds neat
[20:16] <bigmac> lol its pastebin
[20:17] <bigmac> i have a video on youtube, maybe you might like... using the example code i just posted'
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[20:17] <bigmac> dawuud: http://pastebin.com/n7AHi5Ny
[20:18] <bigmac> woops
[20:18] <dawuud> my browser would *think* it's pastebin... but then who knows would could happen. I say SYN and someone else could say SYN/ACK before the pastebin server says SYN/ACK.
[20:18] <bigmac> dawuud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnG4prkm1Z4
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[20:19] <bigmac> my demonstrations assume you understand the basics
[20:19] <bigmac> we could be friends ,-)
[20:20] <bigmac> the video shows a file.exe download of http, swaps this binary data with a backdoor.exe
[20:21] <dawuud> is there another way to install raspbian besides using raspbian-ua-netinst?
[20:22] <bigmac> dawuud: what do you do for work? networking? security?
[20:22] <dawuud> are there docs/demo for creating your own images?
[20:22] <bigmac> maybe install the image, install your flavours of window management, or tools you like the dd out=my_pi.iso
[20:22] <dawuud> bigmac: security, programming, operations. i work for leastauthority and i volunteer for the tor project and tahoe-lafs project.
[20:23] <bigmac> you might find my video interesting
[20:23] <dawuud> ok i'll dl it.
[20:23] <dawuud> youtube-dl ftw
[20:23] <bigmac> lol
[20:26] <bigmac> dawuud: let me know what you think ,-)
[20:26] <dawuud> bigmac: consider this; laptop -> ssh -> vnc -> rasberryPi runs TorBrowserBundle. Never run a browser on your laptop!
[20:27] <bigmac> are we that vulnerable?
[20:27] <bigmac> i have never been infected on my linux machines
[20:28] <shiftplusone> that you know of... that's what they want you to think!
[20:28] <bigmac> lol
[20:28] <dawuud> just like qubes isolates each application in a xen hypervisor... so too can use use rasberryPis to isolate applications like Tor and TBB.
[20:29] * shiftplusone wonders how much attention from NSA dawuud has attracted by trying to avoid it =P
[20:29] <dawuud> this is especially important for C programs like tor.
[20:29] <dawuud> shiftplusone: oh they well know how much trouble i am. i'm not trying to avoid anything.
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[20:30] <bigmac> are you looking to build your own pi image, that isolates torbrowers-vnc
[20:30] <dawuud> this physical isolation of applications is especially important in light of rowhammer
[20:30] <dawuud> bigmac: yes
[20:31] <bigmac> vnc-over-http
[20:31] <dawuud> no. vnc over ssh is safer.
[20:31] <bigmac> i think there maybe other options, instead of vnc, full desktop view, there is only a remote browser view?
[20:31] <dawuud> but anyway yes you can safely visit http links if it's via a ssh vnc link to your pi
[20:32] <bigmac> something lighter on the bandwidth and fps
[20:32] <dawuud> there's a fairly good pure python vnc; unlike C programs python apps are a lot less likely to jump up and claw you in the face.
[20:33] <dawuud> bigmac: i'm all ears. know of a faster protocol?
[20:33] <bigmac> its in the back of my mind, too much coffee... it will spawn up in my brain soon lol
[20:34] <dawuud> cool cool
[20:36] <dawuud> imagine having a collection of raspberry pis instead of a normal laptop. each app runs on it's own pi.
[20:38] <bigmac> each protocol per pi lol
[20:39] <bigmac> could be a fun project
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[20:39] <dawuud> yeah. one for xmpp-client, one for pond, one pi for tor, one for the browser etc.
[20:40] <dawuud> and there's one "console" pi that runs the pure python vnc client that is used to connect to all the rest that use X (X is notoriously insecure).
[20:40] <dawuud> otherwise just ssh to the other Pis
[20:41] <dawuud> via cat5 of course. no wifi on any of them... except of designated pi just for wifi... acts as a bridge or router for all the rest.
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[20:44] <hi-tower> hello !
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[20:44] <hi-tower> I am about to purchase my first PI. Intended use is NAS and / or mediacenter
[20:45] <bigmac> dawuud: have you seen the video yet?
[20:45] <shiftplusone> hi-tower, bad idea
[20:45] <shiftplusone> the NAS part, anyway.
[20:45] <hi-tower> I have RTFM about both the NAS (samba, nfs) and looked into mediacenter
[20:45] <hi-tower> shiftplusone: ok... you mean the LAN port is too slow?
[20:46] <Peio> not sure if it's the best for a nas, limited to 100mbs...
[20:46] <shiftplusone> hi-tower, not so much the lan port alone, that's 100mbit which is good enough. But it's all shared on one USB port, so if you've got a HDD attached and other things going on, the speed will drop off.
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[20:47] <hi-tower> Peio: yeah, I know about this limitation. In fact, the NAS is only intended as backup-over-lan
[20:47] <hi-tower> so it's not going to provide lots of data for my everyday work
[20:48] <Peio> well you'll get 10MB/s on an external drive so if that's enough for you why not
[20:48] <hi-tower> The idea is to have storebackup (a perl script for incremental backups under linux) to push the data to this NAS
[20:49] <hi-tower> The reason I am not directly connecting the USB HDD to my computer is to have the disks in two different rooms in case of fire etc
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[20:50] <hi-tower> The amount of data to be backed up is roughly 1TB, with a tiny fraction of that changing for the daily incremental backup
[20:50] <Peio> first transfer will be a pain :p
[20:51] <hi-tower> Peio: -lol- I calculated about 27h for initial backup
[20:51] <Peio> :)
[20:51] <hi-tower> Peio: but I can run the initial full backup locally. This is actually what is happening right now
[20:52] <hi-tower> so bottom line - I would assume the limited bandwidth would not be a problem for my PI to handle the daily amount of data. If it takes 3h to complete, so what?
[20:53] <hi-tower> Is my assumption ok?
[20:53] <Peio> if 10MB/s is ok for you then yeah
[20:53] <hi-tower> (btw, I am working on Linux boxes since 1999 and other Unixes since 1995, so I'm not unfamiliar with it)
[20:53] <Getty> this is such a madness ;)
[20:54] <Getty> trying to fit all stuff on a tiny tiny tiny computer just to attach it to some 50" TV....... ;)
[20:54] <hi-tower> let me quickly check hdparm -tT to get the transfer speed of the drive if run locally
[20:54] <hi-tower> Getty: but thats the fun part!
[20:54] <Getty> no.........
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[20:55] <Getty> thats no fun, thats just torture
[20:55] <Getty> for all parts, and all people around, and then people write blog posts about it and infect others who think its a valid good idea
[20:56] <Peio> nobody cares about your opinions Getty
[20:56] <Peio> let people do whatever they want with their pis
[20:56] <shiftplusone> hi-tower, I use my pi for similar backups, but I wouldn't call it a NAS, since it implies other things to some people.
[20:56] <hi-tower> Peio: OK, I have 160MB/sec locally :-)
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[20:57] <hi-tower> shiftplusone: OK, so "network backup disk" would be the right term?
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[20:58] <shiftplusone> NAS is the right term.... it's just that if you say you want to use the pi as a NAS, the reflex for most people is to hiss at you.
[20:58] <hi-tower> shiftplusone: ok ok... :-)
[20:58] <hi-tower> now for the weird part of my project...
[20:58] <hi-tower> My plan is to make this PI a dual-use computer (it's got 4 cores, after all...)
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[20:59] <hi-tower> The second task would be a mediacenter, or at least a digital video recorder. Network, HDMI, a TV set is readily available
[21:00] <hi-tower> I understand how to make a PI to work as a nfs/samba server, I also read about openelec
[21:00] <hi-tower> But I am yet to figure out how to make both projects work on one box
[21:00] <Peio> you can install kodi on raspbian
[21:01] <hi-tower> Ist that a realistic task, or completely nuts (i.e I should rather buy a second PI)
[21:01] <Getty> well wanna see the digital video recorder ;)
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[21:01] <hi-tower> Peio: that would mean something like apt-get install kodi and done
[21:01] <Getty> alone the "in"
[21:01] <hi-tower> ?
[21:01] <Peio> pretty much
[21:01] <Peio> except you need to add repos
[21:02] <Peio> http://michael.gorven.za.net/
[21:02] <Peio> that guy provides repos with kodi for raspbian
[21:03] <hi-tower> Peio: okay, that is GOOD news!
[21:03] <Getty> depends on the quality of stuff you wanna see on it ;)
[21:04] <hi-tower> I mean, I bought a 3TB external HDD and will hardly use more than 1TB for the backup
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[21:06] <hi-tower> question: is KODI able to record a stream like VLC?
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[21:08] <Getty> well i would repeat my statement but i dont, as some people probably want to tell you some fairy tale about how that might be possible ;-)
[21:09] <Peio> I only use kodi to play mkvs and connect to a plex server
[21:09] <Peio> i've never used any dvr addons etc
[21:09] <hi-tower> Getty: thank you for your open words. Actually, I do have the TV programme available as a local stream through a fritz!box DVB-C
[21:09] <Getty> hi-tower: and you should check the load of the raspberry while he plays that one if you make it work ;)
[21:10] <hi-tower> but, since VLC works on raspbian (correct?) I should be able to record
[21:10] <Getty> hi-tower: or when you play something from the usb harddrive... just saying.... its like "a solution" not in any way really a "cool media center"
[21:10] <Getty> what amount of power you expect from that machine?
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[21:11] <hi-tower> getty: I know the limitations... But since the PI 1 model B was able to play a fullHD stream, I am not too concerned about the PI 2 to deal with it
[21:11] <Getty> what fullHD stream?
[21:11] <itisme> I have my pi directly connected to my computer via ethernet. How come I'm not receiving packets when I ping raspberrypi.local
[21:11] <Getty> a real full HD stream: no..... something that is 1080p but is not actually fully using it, more likely
[21:12] <Getty> beside that the thing is burning
[21:12] <hi-tower> Getty: well, playing a movie to the TV set
[21:12] <Getty> good movies with 5.1 are not a thing for a raspberry
[21:12] <Peio> what ? a pi can play x264 full hd bluray remuxes
[21:12] <hi-tower> in 1080i
[21:12] <Peio> h264*
[21:12] <Getty> peio: the raw probably ;) yeah ;)
[21:13] <hi-tower> I am not going to contradict Getty, but my belly feeling is that a PI can handle that
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[21:13] <Peio> it can play 100% of the movies I have on my NAS
[21:13] <hi-tower> Peio: thx
[21:14] <Peio> including one full bluray :P (I only have that one)
[21:14] <Getty> well it would be able to play all my movies before i got my 60", but since i care about higher quality the raspberry was by far not good enough
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[21:14] <Peio> what high quality can't you play on a pi ?
[21:14] <hi-tower> Peio: 4k maybe? :-)
[21:14] <Peio> afaik it can play 30mbps bluray streams
[21:14] <Peio> yeah 4k is not happening
[21:14] <Getty> well "bluray streams" is just not a clear definition
[21:14] <Peio> but where do you have HQ 4K content ? :)
[21:15] <hi-tower> Peio: absolutely! and if I am not mistaken, HDMI can't handle 4k anyway
[21:15] <Peio> the only thing that sucks as a media center is the lack of support of lossless audio 5.1 etc
[21:15] <hi-tower> besides that, my eyes are 1,5k max
[21:15] <Getty> yeah, you can just believe those people who are fine with that, or find those who have tried it and switched after 1-2 years and are now much happier ;)
[21:16] <Peio> what weren't you able to play Getty?
[21:16] <hi-tower> Getty: so, what did you switch to?
[21:16] <Getty> Peio: lots of HD movies, TONS of them, just "hang" in momvents of much action
[21:16] <Peio> what kind of hd movies ?
[21:16] <Getty> hi-tower: just using the laptop with kodi
[21:16] <Peio> x264 ? blurays ? remuxes ?
[21:17] <hi-tower> allright, let me summarize:
[21:17] <hi-tower> 1) backup disk on PI is slow, but works with the intended amount of data
[21:17] <Getty> Peio: everything which is higher bitrate density
[21:18] <Getty> Peio: its not like shaking all the time, but if you have high action sequences => guaranteed
[21:18] <Peio> and you said you tried for 1 year so it wasn't on a pi 2 btw
[21:18] <hi-tower> 2) media center usage can be added later to raspbian, so no neet for a dedicated distro / separate PI
[21:18] <Peio> hi-tower is talking about getting a pi 2
[21:18] <Peio> how is any of your experience relevant?
[21:18] <hi-tower> correct, I plan to buy a v2
[21:18] <Getty> yeah take the thing that is now "Barly able" to handle that and take that as argument that its a good idea
[21:18] <hi-tower> it should be significantly more oomp-y than the v1
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[21:19] <Getty> in the moment he wants to record and watch he will buy another one, and then he could have bought a real computer with more power ;) but hey, all personal decision
[21:19] <Peio> I said I had no idea about recording
[21:19] <Peio> I've never tried anything like that
[21:19] <hi-tower> Getty: no problem. My primary goal is to have the backup running in a separate room
[21:20] <Getty> the point i try to explain, peio, is that not everyone is like you, i know TONS of people who are happy with their pi media station, but they are also h appy with watching a movie via an online streaming service
[21:20] <hi-tower> the multimedia stuff is just for my personal amusement, not a "must work absolutely"
[21:20] <Getty> everyone has different requirements and raspberry pi is just a minimum media solution, thats it
[21:20] <Peio> idk, it plays all my HQ x264 encodes
[21:20] <Getty> thats all i say here, and even the pi2 will not change that much, especially cause the cores are not REALLY helping on the core problem we face here
[21:20] <Peio> anything above that is useless unless you havea 60" plasma
[21:20] <hi-tower> Getty: we can certainly agree on the fact that individual requirements for a multimedia silution vary widely...
[21:20] <Getty> Peio: i have a 60"
[21:21] <Peio> most people don't :p
[21:21] <Getty> hi-tower: i just say, full fledge computers are now cheap like shit, even a used laptop is a good idea
[21:21] <Getty> imagine having a 2nd screen directly for free that shows play informations
[21:21] <hi-tower> btw the sound part of my multimedia setup was built in 1962 - the first stereo amp ever made
[21:21] <Getty> ;)
[21:22] <Peio> used laptops make noise
[21:22] <hi-tower> Getty: yes, agree on the "used laptop" thing. But I care about minimizing energy usage
[21:22] <hi-tower> and the noise=zero thing is a big plus for the PI
[21:22] <Getty> hi-tower: laptops are also made for minimized energy usage, but yeah raspberry pi is of course the "crown" of that, but then seriously.... recording?.....
[21:22] <Getty> you get my point?
[21:22] <Getty> you pinpoint tot he lowest power solution and then want everything a little ;)
[21:23] <Getty> dont you see the surprise you will get? ;)
[21:23] <hi-tower> Getty: hey, I will give it a try. It is not a must. I am confident that the data backup solution will work. the rest is icing on the cake
[21:24] <Getty> yeah sure :) just dont expect wonders
[21:24] <hi-tower> anyway, I will have to leave - long working day in front of me tomorrow
[21:24] <Getty> like: forget VLC
[21:24] <Getty> even if it runs: vlc is by far not made for this
[21:24] <hi-tower> Getty: I am an optimist with experience -> I am a pessimist
[21:24] <Getty> kodi uses omx which is made for raspberry, that is the "Only option" to get a chance to play the HD videos good
[21:25] <hi-tower> Getty: ok thx for the OMX hint
[21:26] <hi-tower> good night everyone!
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[21:28] <hi-tower> and thank you for your kind advice!
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[21:37] <itisme> I made my pi's ip address static, but I'm still not able to ssh into it through a direct ethernet connection. Any help?
[21:38] <bigmac> itisme: you have your pi, with no network access?
[21:38] <itisme> bigmac: correct, ethernet directly connected to my mac
[21:39] <bigmac> ok, you need to configure your pi or your mac to act as a dhcpserver
[21:39] <bigmac> the easy way, install dnsmasq...
[21:40] <itisme> bigmac: should i change my pi back to dhcp
[21:40] <bigmac> on your mac, it has internet access to install dnsmasq?
[21:40] <itisme> yeah
[21:40] <itisme> I think OS X comes with a dhcp server already
[21:41] <bigmac> dnsmasq is really simple, i could only show you with dnsmasq
[21:41] <bigmac> or the pi, if you have internet access, apt-get install dnsmasq
[21:41] <itisme> I found a straightforward guide for mac :)
[21:42] <itisme> thanks though. But should I reconfigure the pi back to dhcp
[21:42] <bigmac> eth0 auto
[21:42] <itisme> if ethic int dhcp?
[21:43] <itisme> **iface
[21:43] <bigmac> sure, should work
[21:43] <itisme> ok
[21:43] <bigmac> your mac will handle the dhcp request, if configured properly
[21:43] <itisme> ok i'll try it out
[21:44] <methuzla> what's wrong with just a static ip address?
[21:45] <bigmac> i dont know, i qould think some application needs to handle dhcp request
[21:45] <methuzla> itisme can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[21:45] <itisme> sure
[21:45] <Stanto> bigmac: you are using a crossover ethernet cable between the Pi and Laptop aren't you ?
[21:45] <bigmac> im doing something like that
[21:46] <bigmac> my pi is acting as a router
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[21:46] <bigmac> i have set the pi to eth0 manual etc/network/interfaces
[21:47] <bigmac> apt-get install dnsmasq
[21:47] <bigmac> echo 'interface=eth0' > /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[21:47] <bigmac> echo 'dhcp-range=,,12h' >> /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[21:47] <bigmac> ifconfig eth0 up
[21:47] <bigmac> dnsmasq
[21:47] <bigmac> And done...
[21:47] <itisme> methuzla: https://justpaste.it/jyug
[21:48] <bigmac> the 6 lines above will turn your pi into the dhcp server
[21:48] <itisme> that pasted code is what is in my etc/network/interfaces
[21:49] <Stanto> oops didn't mean to type bigmac meant to type itisme
[21:49] <bigmac> lol, if you need a fool proof method, run those 6 lines on your pi...
[21:50] <Stanto> "itisme> bigmac: correct, ethernet directly connected to my mac" are you using a crossover ethernet cable ?
[21:50] <itisme> oh..............................wow
[21:50] <itisme> that's it
[21:50] <methuzla> itisme, so you're still trying to use DHCP and not setting a static ip address
[21:51] <bigmac> exactly
[21:52] <itisme> static seems like it would be easier, so i think i'll try that..... after i find the right cable haha
[21:52] <bigmac> when you say crossover, your mac is plugged directly to the pi eth0<-->eth0
[21:52] <Stanto> itisme: static IP and a crossover cable will solve your problems.
[21:53] <bigmac> maybe
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[21:53] <bigmac> ifconfig eth0 inet
[21:53] <bigmac> ifconfig eth0 inet
[21:53] <bigmac> maybe if both machines have same static subnet like ip's
[21:53] <methuzla> i figured most modern nics do some kind of autodetect to allow use of a non-crossover cable
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[21:53] <Stanto> methuzla: nope
[21:54] <methuzla> i've gotten it to work with some PC hardware
[21:54] <methuzla> but no experience trying it with mac or pi
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[21:58] <methuzla> itisme https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually
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[22:00] <itisme> methuzla: i'm just gonna choose any address and gateway?
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[22:02] <itisme> i think i have to do in ipv6 too
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[22:05] <bigmac> no need for ipv6
[22:08] <itisme> I think I've gone too deep. I have no idea what i'm doing anymore
[22:08] <bigmac> lol
[22:08] <bigmac> ill provide some quick commands to get you up and runing
[22:08] <bigmac> can your pi connect to the internet for a quick install of dnsmasq
[22:09] <itisme> no....
[22:09] <itisme> well
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[22:09] <lapide_viridi> I just installed postfix on my LEMP stack, which made nginx display a 504 and sshd not even responding after reboot.
[22:09] <bigmac> can you install dnsmasq on your mac?
[22:09] <itisme> give me a minute to move it near the router
[22:10] <lapide_viridi> Is it possible to revert an installation?
[22:10] <lapide_viridi> Or track all the changes in some way? Unsure if uninstalling it will fix the damage.
[22:10] <bigmac> go private message, ill paste a few commands
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[22:10] <Stanto> bigmac: itisme can always just dpkg -i the package
[22:11] <bigmac> once your pi has dnsmasq installed, ill help you configure a few things
[22:12] <itisme> ok now my pi has internet
[22:12] <bigmac> apt-get install dnsmasq
[22:13] <bigmac> let me know when your ready, installation complete
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[22:14] <itisme> bigmac: I got "unable to fetch some archives"
[22:15] <bigmac> i have seen this, what i did was fix /etc/resolv.conf
[22:15] <lapide_viridi> bigmac, did you mean me?
[22:15] <bigmac> no
[22:16] <itisme> what do I fix?
[22:16] <bigmac> itisme: echo 'nameserver' > /etc/resolv.conf
[22:16] <dawuud> bigmac: yeah i watched your video... but it is not clear to me that it's the same type of tcp attack i'm talking about.
[22:16] <dawuud> i think you did a MITM
[22:17] <bigmac> dawuud: yes it was mitm, ill have to look into man on the side attack... as you mention
[22:17] <dawuud> look up quantum insert
[22:17] <dawuud> i might have to go with installing rasbian using this installer https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[22:17] <bigmac> itisme: after the command above then try the install again
[22:18] <itisme> bigmac: "Permission denied" I tried running it as root too
[22:18] <dawuud> do you know of docs explaining how to build a raspbian image?
[22:18] <bigmac> nano /etc/resolv.conf
[22:18] <bigmac> sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[22:18] <bigmac> thats strange lol
[22:18] <Chillum> setting up manual internet is a PITA
[22:19] <itisme> inside it says nameserver
[22:19] <itisme> should i change it to
[22:19] <bigmac> yes
[22:20] <itisme> same error
[22:20] <itisme> after running apt-get again
[22:20] <bigmac> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dnsmasq/
[22:20] <bigmac> you could maybe download the proper deb file and install with dpkg -i file.deb
[22:21] <bigmac> i hate installing packages like this... its hit and miss sometimes
[22:21] <itisme> 2.55-2 armel.deb
[22:21] <bigmac> wget that the file
[22:22] <bigmac> seems so hard lol... i assure you this is easy
[22:23] <itisme> "unable to resolve host address ftp.debian.org
[22:23] <bigmac> i currently have a router plugged into my pi, all clients data pass through my pi...
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[22:23] <bigmac> dawuud: may like this concept
[22:24] <bigmac> 1 sec
[22:24] <itisme> i'll just transfer it via usb drive
[22:24] <itisme> flash drive
[22:24] <bigmac> ping ftp.debian.org -->
[22:24] <bigmac> try and use the ip direct download
[22:25] <bigmac>
[22:25] <bigmac> your dns is failing lol
[22:25] <itisme> yeah
[22:25] <itisme> but even pinging the ip I get network is unreachable
[22:26] <bigmac> yah, i beleave the ip i prove is real
[22:26] <itisme> I must have messed up something in the interfaces file?
[22:26] <bigmac> no
[22:26] <bigmac> your router is kinda stupid lol
[22:27] <bigmac> thats my only explanation when i ran into this exact problem
[22:27] <bigmac> wget
[22:27] <bigmac> that worked for me, but not sure if thats the correct file for pi
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[22:27] <itisme> somethings wrong with my network
[22:27] <itisme> i can't even ping google
[22:27] <bigmac> your /etc/network/interface
[22:27] <itisme> ping >connect:Network is unreachable
[22:28] <bigmac> set eth0 to default auto
[22:28] <bigmac> dhclient eth0
[22:28] <itisme> lol somehow the file is completely blank
[22:28] <bigmac> lol
[22:28] <bigmac> thats the problem... lol
[22:28] <itisme> yeah haha
[22:28] <bigmac> this is exciting, im sure your mad
[22:28] <bigmac> lol
[22:29] <bigmac> the simple task can some times make you scream
[22:29] <bigmac> Keyboard punch
[22:29] <itisme> yup hahah (although I'm still learning a ton)
[22:30] <itisme> so i've got "auto eth0" and "face eth0 inet dhcp"
[22:30] <itisme> **iface
[22:30] <bigmac> and you can ping google.com?
[22:30] <itisme> let me reboot it first
[22:31] <bigmac> maybe service networking restart may be all you need
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[22:32] <itisme> nope still not connecting
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[22:32] <bigmac> try dhclient eth0
[22:32] <dawuud> oh dear... the archlinux also fails to provide the image via https for the pi2
[22:33] <bigmac> auto lo
[22:33] <dawuud> so let me get this straight: i cannot install raspbian or arch on my pi2 because nobody understands security.
[22:33] <bigmac> iface lo inet loopback
[22:33] <bigmac> auto eth0
[22:33] <bigmac> idk... let me know when you can ping google.com
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[22:34] <itisme> auto eth0 and auto lo?
[22:34] <bigmac> ill try a pastebin
[22:35] <bigmac> http://pastebin.com/zx9fdAGV
[22:35] <bigmac> i have set mine to manual, so you will need to run the command dhclient eth0 to establish a connection
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[22:35] <bigmac> dhclient eth0 will ask your router for a new ip address
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[22:36] <bigmac> and low is "iface lo inet loopback"
[22:36] <bigmac> i dont like the networking services
[22:36] <itisme> ok i used the code from the pastern
[22:36] <bigmac> i do things on my own
[22:36] <itisme> pastbin
[22:36] <bigmac> the pastebin was missing lo
[22:37] <dawuud> i've just been advised that raspbian doesn't use PGP sigs. is this true!?
[22:37] <itisme> so i need to add the loopback thing
[22:37] <bigmac> 2 lines
[22:37] <bigmac> auto lo
[22:37] <bigmac> iface lo inet loopback
[22:38] <bigmac> manual will tell your networking service's to ignore eth0... you must configure them your self
[22:38] <bigmac> dhclient eth0 is all you need
[22:39] <itisme> ok so I've got those 6 lines of code in the interfaces
[22:39] <bigmac> ok
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[22:39] <bigmac> service networking restart
[22:39] <bigmac> try that
[22:40] <bigmac> then dhclient eth0
[22:40] <bigmac> then ping google.com
[22:40] <itisme> on the restart it said "failed to bring up eth0"
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[22:41] <bigmac> try dhclient eth0
[22:41] <itisme> it all works!!
[22:41] <bigmac> ping googlec>?
[22:41] <itisme> yea
[22:41] <bigmac> now apt-get install dnsmasq
[22:42] <itisme> so do I always have to run dhclient eth0 to use ethernet now?
[22:42] <bigmac> yes, because you set it to manual...
[22:43] <bigmac> for now... this is part of my instructions i will give you
[22:43] <itisme> ok so it is done installing
[22:43] <bigmac> you need to create a config file for dnsmasq
[22:43] <bigmac> killall dnsmasq
[22:43] <bigmac> kill it if its running
[22:43] <itisme> ok
[22:44] <bigmac> echo 'interface=eth0' > /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[22:44] <bigmac> echo 'dhcp-range=,,12h' >> /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[22:44] <bigmac> then you can start dnsmasq
[22:44] <bigmac> simply type dnsmasq in console
[22:45] <itisme> i'm getting permission denied on the first echo
[22:45] <bigmac> sudo
[22:45] <itisme> tried that
[22:45] <bigmac> maybe nano /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[22:45] <bigmac> sudo
[22:46] <pad222> Raspbian is Great !
[22:46] <bigmac> itisme: so close to being done
[22:47] <itisme> in the cont file, everything is commented out, not sure what to do
[22:47] <bigmac> you only need 2 lines in the file...
[22:48] <bigmac> interface=eth0
[22:48] <bigmac> dhcp-range=,,12h
[22:48] <itisme> so just delete everything else
[22:48] <bigmac> yes
[22:49] <itisme> ok
[22:49] <bigmac> the config is set? type dnsmasq in console
[22:49] <itisme> ok
[22:49] <bigmac> you can unplug it from the router
[22:49] <bigmac> you have one more command to type
[22:49] <bigmac> ifconfig eth0 up
[22:50] <bigmac> then your labtop should plug into the pi and `ssh user@`
[22:50] <itisme> on the ifconfig command it says "error, no such device"
[22:50] <bigmac> your pi should have eth0
[22:51] <itisme> oops forgot eth0
[22:51] <bigmac> does ifconfig show eth0
[22:51] <itisme> yes
[22:51] <itisme> it shows address as
[22:52] <bigmac> thats odd lol
[22:52] <bigmac> oh
[22:52] <bigmac> unplug from your ruter
[22:52] <itisme> I did
[22:52] <bigmac> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[22:53] <itisme> couldn't i use the
[22:53] <bigmac> for now... no
[22:53] <bigmac> your config file is set for
[22:54] <bigmac> at this point, if you plugin your labtop into the pi... the pi should give your labtop a new ipaddress of 192.168.96.x
[22:55] <itisme> so I tried resetting the network
[22:55] <itisme> did dhclient eth0
[22:55] <itisme> got "file already exists"
[22:55] <bigmac> your pi is connected to your router?
[22:55] <itisme> yea
[22:55] <itisme> I disconnected it from my computer
[22:56] <itisme> now it's disconnected from everything
[22:56] <itisme> and the address is correct
[22:56] <bigmac> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[22:57] <bigmac> you have unpluged it from your router and issued this command?
[22:57] <itisme> yeah it's set
[22:57] <bigmac> plug it into your labtop
[22:57] <itisme> ok
[22:58] <bigmac> check your labtop's ifconfig
[22:58] <bigmac> once the 2 machines are plugged into each other
[22:59] <itisme> my mac isn't recognizing anything as plugged in to the ethernet port
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[22:59] <itisme> maybe it's a faulty cable
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[23:01] <itisme> that was my only crossover cable....
[23:02] <bigmac> slandered Ethernet cord?
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[23:03] <itisme> slandered?
[23:03] <bigmac> http://www.datapro.net/images/1776.jpg
[23:03] <itisme> yeah..
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[23:04] <bigmac> your mac, have you messed with its /etc/network/interface ?
[23:04] <bigmac> i dont know anythign about mac
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[23:04] <bigmac> but it should auto eth0
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[23:04] <itisme> no i haven't messed with it
[23:04] <bigmac> try on your mac dhclient eth0
[23:05] <bigmac> and then check on your mac ifconfig
[23:05] <itisme> I tried using a regular ethernet cable and it knocked out my internet connection
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[23:06] <itisme> lol
[23:06] <bigmac> if that happened, then you were able to ssh into
[23:06] <itisme> so my mac recognized the pi
[23:07] <itisme> but it's treating my pi as a router
[23:07] <bigmac> yes
[23:07] <itisme> and it's kicking me off wifi
[23:07] <itisme> no like
[23:07] <bigmac> lol
[23:07] <itisme> is this supposed to happen?
[23:08] <bigmac> for this current setup yes.
[23:08] <bigmac> you can plug your pi into your router, then dhclient eth0 on your pi
[23:08] <bigmac> then ssh into the pi from your labtop
[23:09] <bigmac> my linux labtop allows me to stay connected on eth0 and wlan0
[23:09] <itisme> sometimes I don't have access to an ethernet port on the router though..
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[23:09] <bigmac> so what are you trying to accomplish
[23:10] <itisme> I just want to ssh into the pi from a direct ethernet connection to my laptop
[23:10] <itisme> as if it was only a usb drive or some peripheral
[23:10] <bigmac> you can perform this same task on your mac... install dnsmasq, write your config, bring up eth0
[23:11] <itisme> imho, that's complicated
[23:11] <itisme> naturally the mac is just plug and play
[23:12] <bigmac> =turn your mac eth0 into a router, plug the pi into your mac... and you should be able to keep your wlan0 up
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[23:12] <itisme> ...or i could just do it statically?
[23:12] <bigmac> i have never done this
[23:13] <bigmac> but i would assume, on your mac (ifconfig eth0 inet
[23:13] <bigmac> on your pi (ifconfig eth0 inet
[23:14] <bigmac> on your pi (ifconfig eth0 inet up)
[23:14] <bigmac> on your mac (ifconfig eth0 inet up)
[23:15] <pycoderf> does anyone know how i can share print drivers via samba from cups
[23:15] <itisme> ehh
[23:16] <bigmac> your mac turns off wlan0 whe eth0 is in use... this is lame... maybe change eth0 to manual
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[23:20] <itisme> without messing with all the dynamic stuff
[23:20] <itisme> my mac by default will give the pi an ip-address
[23:20] <itisme> why can't I connect by just using that?
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[23:23] <itisme> cause I'm able to ping it, just not ssh in
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