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[3:22] <CTF> Hello. Now that Debian Jessie is the new stable release, do you know if/when the Raspberry Pi Foundation plans to release Raspbian Jessie?
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[3:26] <plugwash> shiftplusone, is working on bringing the raspberry pi foundation's stuff forward to jessie but he hasn't given me an ETA
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[5:23] <azizLIGHT> i think youre gonna get that question a lot
[5:25] <buu> I've been using jessie for the last two months, so
[5:25] <buu> *hipster*
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[12:27] <Potato_> hello?
[12:28] <Potato_> Hello?
[12:29] <shiftplusone> Hello!?
[12:29] <metabsd_> Hello!
[12:29] <shiftplusone> *knock*knock*knock* Penny...
[12:29] <Datalink> Hello?!?
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[12:32] <scoofy_> hello
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[12:37] <Datalink> well that just felt like the 'Welcome' scene in this season's premier of MLP...
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[14:47] <celesteh_> Hello, I'm on a RaspberryPi and want to use my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra, but only use the first two channels of it. I thought I could reduce jackd's CPU usage by specifying only 2 outputs, but I get an alsa error, saying it cannot set channel count to 2 for playback. Is there a way around this?
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[15:29] <Assid> http://pasteboard.co/2CboA35.jpg
[15:29] <Assid> can someone help me with this
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[15:30] <lordievader> Assid: The filesystem on sda1 is corrupt.
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[15:31] <Assid> but why should it hold up the system..
[15:33] <lordievader> Because it might be something you want to fix before continueing the boot process.
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[15:37] <shiftplusone> or it might not be corrupt and just not an ext filesystem
[15:37] <shiftplusone> (maybe?)
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[16:05] <Assid> how can i set it up so it ignores errors
[16:05] <Assid> and just boots
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[16:14] <Assid> if i connect different usbs and leave them connected.. how do i define which one should be sda nad which should be sdb ?
[16:14] <ppq> Assid, you don't
[16:15] <ppq> but you can set up udev rules so they get the same symlink every time
[16:15] <Assid> ppq: how ?
[16:16] <Assid> so usb1 would always be usb1 ? no matter what
[16:16] <ppq> search for "udev rule usd hard drive", there are tons of tutorials
[16:16] <ppq> i know a good one but it's not in english
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[16:18] <ppq> Assid, here is an example: KERNEL=="sd?1", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="ABCDEF012345", SYMLINK+="usbhdd"
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[16:20] <ppq> ATTRS{idProduct}=="685a" works too, it's the usb device id, you can find that using lsusb
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[16:29] <Assid> i restarted udev.. still nothing
[16:29] <Assid> ATTRS{vendor}=="Seagate ", ATTRS{model}=="FreeAgent Go ", SYMLINK+="seagate"
[16:29] <Assid> i am using that
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[16:45] <imi> hi
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[16:46] <imi> iptables doesn't work: when I say modprobe ip_conntrack it says libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.18.10v7-aufs/modules.dep.bin' --- more precisely, the directory /lib/modules/3.18.10v7-aufs doesn't exist
[16:46] <imi> how can I fix this?
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[17:46] <petersaints> Hey guys
[17:46] <lordievader> o/
[17:46] <petersaints> is it a good idea to upgrade Raspbian to Jessie?
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[17:47] <petersaints> are there even plans to move the official version/images from Wheezy to Jessie?
[17:47] <shiftplusone> yes
[17:47] <lordievader> I run Jessie on my Pi.
[17:47] <shiftplusone> we're wrapping up a wheezy image now, then starting work on a jessie image.
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[17:49] <petersaints> ok. Nice to know. Also, will Raspbian continue to support RPi 1 and 2 for the forseable future, right? I'm still on a RPi 1 Model B Rev 2
[17:51] <shiftplusone> Raspbian itself is managed/maintained by plugwash. The images on the raspberrypi.org download page are created by the foundation. I don't know what plugwash's long term plans are.
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[17:53] <vagrantc> sounds like plugwash was planning on supporting raspbian through the EOL of stretch (jessie+1) at least
[17:53] <vagrantc> when this was brought up earlier
[17:54] * vagrantc really hopes to see rpi2 support directly in debian stretch
[17:54] <vagrantc> at least for some things
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[17:58] * ShorTie has stretch going on his rpi2
[17:59] <ShorTie> had to add it to cdebootstrap though, lol.
[17:59] * shiftplusone finally gets what this 'stretch' is. Didn't click that testing would have a new name... derp.
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[18:07] <plugwash> and so the fun of stretch begins.....................
[18:07] <plugwash> http://buildd.raspbian.org/status/architecture.php?a=armhf&suite=stretch-staging¬es=out-of-date
[18:08] <scoofy_> will raspbian adopt systemd or not?
[18:08] <scoofy_> i heard it's horrible
[18:08] <taza> Everything new is always horrible and a disaster and the worst thing ever
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[18:09] <scoofy_> taza: it breaks traditional unix philosophy
[18:09] <scoofy_> plus, it makes you have to reboot your system after you install certain stuff... i.e. it makes linux like Windows
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[18:09] <scoofy_> who with a sane mind would ever want that?
[18:09] <taza> ... that's just nonsense.
[18:10] <taza> Those three lines? I'm just... no.
[18:10] <taza> I've been down this road too many times.
[18:10] <scoofy_> are you a systemd fanboy?
[18:10] <taza> Philosophical considerations have no place in making software; software is a tool, not a battleground for your "ideology"
[18:10] <scoofy_> ever heard of Unix's KISS principle?
[18:10] <scoofy_> philosophical considerations DO have place in making software.
[18:10] <plugwash> anyway to answer the question we do not have the manpower to deviate from debian, for jessie systemd is the default but sysvinit and upstart are also options
[18:11] <plugwash> past jessie I do not know what will happen
[18:11] <scoofy_> the whole *nix was built on "do one thing, and do it well" philosophy. this is why it's the most successful OS for 40+ years...
[18:11] <scoofy_> plugwash: thanks for the answer
[18:12] <taza> ... that's precisely the reason why the Unix community is so fragmented and feud-ridden.
[18:12] <scoofy_> i do not believe that.
[18:12] <taza> You can unyieldingly stick to your guns and scream about how they're not adhering to your sacred principles from the rooftops.
[18:13] <taza> But I'd rather have functional software instead of a religion.
[18:13] <plugwash> just a polite reminder to keep things civil................
[18:13] <scoofy_> jesus... i'm just saying, "Keep It Simple, Stupid" as a principle, has been around for ages, because... it works?
[18:14] <scoofy_> taza: did sysvinit NOT function for you and others, in the past 40 years?
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[18:14] <taza> Kay well obviously I'm not making a graceful exit here.
[18:15] <scoofy_> an 'init' process should be a 'simple' program... not a big, monolithic, 200 kloc, bug-ridden something, that can bring your entire system down when something goes wrong...
[18:15] <taza> scoofy_: You're wrong. And going on my ignore list now.
[18:15] <scoofy_> so you're a religious systemd fanboy. i see.
[18:15] <scoofy_> i didn't know by mentioning systemd, one can poke into such a bee's nest...
[18:17] <plugwash> it certainly seems to be one of those things that some people love and other people hate
[18:18] <scoofy_> in my opinion, an 'init' process in a system, should be one of the simplest...
[18:18] <scoofy_> and let all other daemons and processes do all the rest...
[18:18] <taza> *sigh* In this community of people, everything new is met with fierce opposition, nevermind taking sides between vi and emacs.
[18:18] <scoofy_> i use nano.
[18:18] <shiftplusone> scoofy_, what's the point of your rant? Nobody here is in charge of any of the distros and projects which have decided to switch to systemd.
[18:19] <scoofy_> and i do not oppose something because it is 'new'... i oppose something *only* when it is a design disaster
[18:19] <scoofy_> shiftplusone: what's the point of your asking me of the point of my rant?
[18:19] <plugwash> taza, mcedit FTW
[18:19] <scoofy_> i merely asked, "will rasbian adopt systemd or not", that's all i wanted to know.
[18:19] <shiftplusone> to point out that your rant is going to /dev/null
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[18:20] <scoofy_> great. i may still express my opinion, do i?
[18:20] <scoofy_> or you have dictatorship here
[18:20] <shiftplusone> Nope, I don't.
[18:20] <scoofy_> okay, then i'll use my freedom to express my opinion. thanks.
[18:21] <shiftplusone> yay
[18:21] <scoofy_> yay!
[18:21] <shiftplusone> and I'll exercise my freedom to /ignore. Problem solved.
[18:21] <scoofy_> great for you.
[18:21] <plugwash> b<shiftplusone> Nope, I don't. <-- but I do and if the arguments about whether we should have arguments and rants don't stop I might have to take some action
[18:21] <scoofy_> too bad i cannot just /ignore systemd, when it is forced down on my throat
[18:23] <plugwash> shiftplusone, btw hows things going with bringing the raspberry pi foundation stuff forard to jessie?
[18:24] <scoofy_> current raspbian, is based on debian wheezy, right?
[18:24] <scoofy_> i asked because jessie became 'stable' now, so i'm curious how that might change things
[18:25] <shiftplusone> plugwash, finishing up the wheezy image, then moving on to jessie.
[18:25] <plugwash> the raspbian project (aka me) rebuilds wheezy and jessie and has just started rebuilding stretch
[18:25] <scoofy_> i heard one can choose between systemd and initv in jessie, so... that will be the case with raspbian as well? we will be able to choose sysvinit instead of systemd?
[18:26] <plugwash> the raspberry pi foundation take our work an build images based on that plus there own bits, currently they are building wheezy based images but they hope to get some jessie based ones out soon
[18:26] <shiftplusone> plugwash, btw, gotta pm you about collabora bugs.
[18:28] <plugwash> scoofy_, the init system setup in raspbian jessie is the same as in debian jessie so yes sysvinit is still an option.
[18:29] <scoofy_> nice. thanks for your answer.
[18:29] <scoofy_> i'm just opposed to the whole systemd idea, for a multitude of reasons, so i'd prefer to use a simple init process, as long as possible.
[18:30] <scoofy_> i mean... seriously... it has it's own http server... an INIT process? meh...
[18:31] <vagrantc> scoofy_: i think we get the point. you don't like it. you have reasons. but seriously, direct some of your ranting towards fixing bugs.
[18:32] <scoofy_> thankfully, i have not encountered a single bug while running raspbian so far
[18:32] <scoofy_> found it to be a great system
[18:32] <scoofy_> well, I couldn't get VLC player to work, but that I can live without
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[18:41] <scoofy_> well, except 1 bug: guake hangs up at times. has anyone encountered that?
[18:42] <scoofy_> but i have that in other debian-based distros as well, so i think it's not raspbian specific
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[18:52] <imi> hi. iptables doesn't work: when I say modprobe ip_conntrack it says libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.18.10v7-aufs/modules.dep.bin' --- more precisely, the directory /lib/modules/3.18.10v7-aufs doesn't exist. how can I fix this?
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[18:56] <shiftplusone> sounds like you're running some non-standard kernel.
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[19:22] <imi> nope, I've always used apt-get to install/upgrade
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[19:27] <imi> can rpi-update cause something like that?
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[19:46] <shiftplusone> imi, what does uname -a say?
[19:47] <imi> Linux myforex.hu 3.18.10v7-aufs #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 1 00:07:44 CEST 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[19:48] <shiftplusone> yeah, no idea where that comes from
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[19:59] <imi> ok, can rpi-update cause this?
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[20:06] <shiftplusone> not that, no.
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[20:07] <ShorTie> new kernel/firmware just pushed out today ??
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[20:10] <shiftplusone> into 'untested'
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[20:11] <ShorTie> ok, thankz
[20:12] <shiftplusone> np, going into main once it has been... well, tested.
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[23:20] * plugwash wonders how long it will take the raspbian stretch autobuilders to catch up
[23:25] <vagrantc> any more interesting buildd hardware, or pretty much the same as jessie?
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[23:33] <ShorTie> autobuilders ??
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[23:57] <vagrantc> ShorTie: servers that build the raspbian packages from source into binary packages.
[23:57] <ShorTie> oh, ok
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