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[0:21] <eletious> Hello!
[0:22] <eletious> I'm having an issue with the audio on my pi2
[0:23] <eletious> trying the test sounds out with aplay gave me an error related to ELF headers
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[0:35] <eletious> actually, anything at all that uses alsa gives me that errror
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[6:50] <Encapsulate> why is my ds3b20 temp sensor showing up on one pi but not the other?
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[7:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[8:44] <zGrr> moin :)
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[9:53] <devster31> hi, I'm having trouble runnning raspian, I don't have a lot of sd cards and most are under 4gb, can I install it on an USB drive or a qemu machine?
[9:58] <zGrr> Yes, it is possible to install the system on the USB drive. There are plenty of guides how to do it.
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[10:33] <devster31> thanks, just checking
[10:33] <devster31> is 4gb enough for a non graphical boot?
[10:35] <Smither> yeh definitely
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[10:54] <ShorTie> it's easy to install to USB drive, and then you only need a real small sdcard to hold /boot
[10:56] <ShorTie> just write image to USB drive, copy /boot to sdcard and a quick change in cmdline.txt from root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 to root=/dev/sda2
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[11:14] <Akex_> Hy all
[11:15] <Akex_> I want copy my sd card for keep a backup
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[11:15] <Akex_> How can i do that please ?
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[11:18] <shiftplusone> dd or win32diskimages is the easiest way.
[11:18] <shiftplusone> tar is the most sensible.
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[11:26] <mike_t> also dump/restore
[11:26] <shiftplusone> hm?
[11:26] <shiftplusone> No manual entry for dump
[11:26] <shiftplusone> whassat?
[11:27] <mike_t> shiftplusone, http://dump.sourceforge.net/
[11:28] <shiftplusone> ooh
[11:29] <mike_t> very old tool ^)
[11:29] <mike_t> :)
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[12:00] <scoofy> what is the max screen resolution with raspi?
[12:00] <scoofy> my raspbian gives me only 1024x768 option
[12:01] <scoofy> in the monitor settings UI tool
[12:01] <scoofy> additional info
[12:01] <scoofy> : i use a hdmi -> d-sub converter
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[12:02] <scoofy> now i connected a screen with a bigger res (i think 1600x1200 or so) but still only 1024x768. is this the limitation of the hdmi->vga converter? or do i / can i set it somewhere?
[12:04] <scoofy> i did tvservice -d edid; edidparser edid; this tells me that supposedly 1280x720 mode is available (mode 85), but that (or the other modes) are not selectable from the raspbian monitor settings
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[12:20] <Akex_> shiftplusone: thx works great ;)
[12:20] <Akex_> Can i use it with my Dd linuxcnc ?
[12:20] <Akex_> For do the same
[12:20] <Akex_> A backup
[12:20] <Akex_> ?
[12:21] <shiftplusone> all dd does is copy the bits, so it will work for everything, as long as you don't try to copy the data back onto a device smaller than the original.
[12:22] <Akex_> Yes ok if ly first hdd is 40gb i must use same space or much
[12:22] <Akex_> Ok thanks lot of
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[12:24] <Akex_> I see on the web it s possible boot on hdd raspberry, can i use a usb key ?
[12:25] <Akex_> Or is usless ?
[12:25] <Akex_> Ouch my backup is 7gb
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[12:28] <shiftplusone> the backup will be the size of the card.
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[12:28] <shiftplusone> You can't quite boot from usb, but you can have your rootfs on USB.
[12:29] <shiftplusone> (you still need an sd card with the firmware and kernel, you just modify cmdline.txt to boot the rest from... wherever you want)
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[12:32] <Akex_> You think is faster on usb than the sd card
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[12:32] <Akex_> But the boot don't change because stay on SD that it ?
[12:32] <shiftplusone> I've seen conflicting reports. But I use a USB HDD for reliability.
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[12:34] <Akex_> Th kernel stay on the sd card sorry
[12:34] <Akex_> All right ?
[12:34] <Akex_> Also i have a bad Micro SD card
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[12:54] <Encapsulate> why is my ds3b20 temp sensor showing up on one pi but not the other?
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[12:56] <devster31> ShorTie how small of an SD to hold /boot ? 16M enough?
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[13:22] <shiftplusone> devster31: the default included files seem to take up about 30MB. You can cut it down to about 10MB.
[13:23] <shiftplusone> if you don't want to use the camera, for example.
[13:23] <devster31> no, I'm not going to be using anything graphical and nothing else beside usb and ethernet
[13:23] <devster31> how do I know which is needed?
[13:24] <shiftplusone> when checking, I ran this: du -sh bootcode.bin kernel7.img start.elf fixup* overlays *dtb -c
[13:24] <shiftplusone> assuming it's a pi 2
[13:24] <shiftplusone> There are files there you don't need, but I've left them in the count since they're tiny anyway
[13:25] <devster31> It's a pi 1 actually, but I can see what i need to check
[13:26] <devster31> is it normal that raspian image dd is taking over 30 min?
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[13:27] <shiftplusone> if it's a pi1, then kernel.img instead of kernel7.img
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[13:27] <shiftplusone> 30 minutes seems too long. Did you specify a bs= parameter?
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[13:29] <devster31> yes, but now that I look at it I believe 1m isn't right
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[13:31] <devster31> or maybe it didn't end
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[13:36] <devster31> i'm trying to use pv, to monitor state
[13:36] <devster31> let's see
[13:36] <shiftplusone> don't know if there's a difference between 1M and 1m, but I always use 5M-ish
[13:38] <devster31> gnu is 1M and osx is 1m from docs
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[13:39] <devster31> and I just copied a command I got from a forum post, I'm very scared to use dd
[13:39] <devster31> irrationally
[13:39] <TheLostAdmin> shiftplusone, generally speaking big M is supposed to mean mega (as in a million) and little m is supposed to mean milli (as in 1/1000) you need to follow it by the units in question.
[13:40] <shiftplusone> TheLostAdmin: of course, I meant that I don't know what the difference for dd is... it wouldn't try to parse it as millibytes, so...
[13:41] <TheLostAdmin> when dealing with bits and bytes they are somewhat interchangeable since you can't actually divide a byte into a 1000 little pieces. ;-)
[13:41] <TheLostAdmin> Ah
[13:42] <devster31> wow, 6 min 190Mb
[13:42] <devster31> this is taking foreber
[13:42] * shiftplusone blames the mac
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[13:49] <scoofy> my raspbian only offers me 1024x768 resolution, why is that?
[13:50] * shiftplusone blames systemd.
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[13:59] <scoofy> have no systemd on it
[13:59] <scoofy> thank god
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[14:16] <Encapsulate> why is my ds3b20 temp sensor showing up on one pi but not the other?
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[14:28] <devster31> what does raspbian use? init.d? upstart?
[14:32] <Encapsulate> nobody?>
[14:32] <Encapsulate> does anyone here do anything with their pi other than use it as a htpc?
[14:32] <Encapsulate> has anyone here ever connected a sensor
[14:32] <Encapsulate> or changed a pin state
[14:33] <Encapsulate> or used the pi for what its made for and can possibly tell me why this waterproof temp sensor ds320b works on one of my pi and not hte other
[14:33] <Encapsulate> I have both pi here the sensor and a multimeter
[14:33] <Encapsulate> no scope unfortunately
[14:34] <Encapsulate> the only thing I can think of is that the signal is somehow getting lost coming through this cable im using
[14:34] <Encapsulate> the cable ohms out but its a 10 foot ethernet cable
[14:34] <Encapsulate> the sensor works through a 6 foot multi cable I have on the other pi
[14:34] <Encapsulate> on this one I can;t see the device
[14:35] <Encapsulate> w1-therm, w1-gpio kernel modules loaded
[14:35] <Encapsulate> I can see the w1 mjaster
[14:35] <Encapsulate> but no dev
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[14:35] <Lemongrab> hi, i followed this guide: http://m.instructables.com/id/Turn-your-Raspberry-Pi-into-a-Portable-Bluetooth-A/?ALLSTEPS and now when I boot the pi it's mounted as read only and nothing works correctly (for instance, ifconfig just says "cannot open /proc/net/dev no such file or directory. limited output"). anyone know how to diagnose?
[14:36] <Lemongrab> when i do sudo ls /root/ it says "sudo unable to resolve host (none)"
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[14:42] <Lemongrab> so the prompt says pi@(none) even though /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts are in order
[14:43] <Lemongrab> anyone?
[14:46] <scoofy> devster31: raspbian wheezy uses init.d
[14:46] <scoofy> jessie probably uses systemd, as debian jessie uses systemd as default (though it can also use sysvinit instead)
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[14:47] <devster31> got it, should I change it to something more sensible? like s6?
[14:47] <scoofy> idk
[14:47] <devster31> I'll see, messing around is what's the pi is made for
[14:48] <scoofy> a bunch of people oppose systemd
[14:48] <devster31> why?
[14:49] <Lemongrab> so i'm getting an error that appears to be a hostname/hosts issue, but in fact is probably something else i changed while following the tutorial. could someone take a quick look at the commands from the link (scroll to bottomish of article and click "show all steps") to see if they can spot anything suspect?
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[14:49] <scoofy> devster31: overly complex for an init system, has binary logs instead of plain text, had iirc 9 exploits so far due to its complexity, a bug in it can crash and bring down the whole system, and updating systemd may require you to reboot, to mention a few complaints
[14:50] <scoofy> basically it tries to take over half of the entire system
[14:50] <scoofy> logging, cron, ...
[14:50] <Lemongrab> oh, looks like i linked directly to the show all steps, that makes it easier -> http://m.instructables.com/id/Turn-your-Raspberry-Pi-into-a-Portable-Bluetooth-A/?ALLSTEPS
[14:51] <devster31> oh, I see
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[14:51] <scoofy> devster31: basically it's not like traditional unix "Keep it Simple, Stupid" and "do only one thing, but do it well", rather it tries to do almost everything
[14:52] <scoofy> also, one of its goals is faster boot speed. which does not matter for servers, which get rebooted maybe once a year
[14:52] <Lemongrab> ls /boot is empty... what could cause that?
[14:53] <shiftplusone> it's not mounted?
[14:53] <scoofy> does 'df' display your partitions?
[14:54] <Lemongrab> df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: no such file or directory
[14:55] <scoofy> eh.
[14:55] <scoofy> something got messed
[14:56] <Lemongrab> yupyup. i'm looking through the tut but can't see anything suspicious, though i suspect that's probably because i have less of a clue than you guys. could someone quickly scan through the commands in the tut and see if anything would screw up boot/hosts etc.? it's quite short
[14:57] <Lemongrab> it was a fresh install before the tut
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[14:59] <scoofy> Lemongrab: can u upload your recent .bash_history?
[14:59] <scoofy> that has the commands you typed
[14:59] <scoofy> to a pastebin
[15:00] <scoofy> though that doesn't contain your edits
[15:00] <scoofy> but might help
[15:01] <Lemongrab> i can't really get it off the system in its current state
[15:01] <scoofy> yea.
[15:01] <scoofy> try to see what 'mount | column -t' gives you
[15:02] <scoofy> to see if things are properly mounted
[15:02] <scoofy> (seems not)
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[15:03] <Lemongrab> sudo: unable to resolve hosts (none) warning: failed to read mtab
[15:03] <scoofy> something is majorly messed
[15:03] <Lemongrab> not worth diagnosing maybe?
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[15:03] <scoofy> idk
[15:04] <Lemongrab> ok, i will just abandon this and start again
[15:04] <scoofy> personally i have no idea how to start
[15:04] <Lemongrab> sure
[15:04] <scoofy> maybe simpler to just reimage it
[15:04] <Lemongrab> thanks for trying :)
[15:04] <scoofy> np
[15:05] <scoofy> but you can read /etc/hosts and/or /etc/hostname?
[15:05] <Lemongrab> already reimaging :P
[15:05] <Lemongrab> but yeah i could
[15:05] <scoofy> ok :) simpler to just start over
[15:05] <Lemongrab> and i could change them after a mount -o remount,rw /
[15:06] <Lemongrab> cause it was mounted readonly for some reason
[15:06] <scoofy> did u edit /etc/hosts?
[15:06] <LAN_Lord> Anyone have a recommendation for me regarding a Skype client for Raspbian?
[15:06] <Lemongrab> only to try to solve this problem, so beforehand no
[15:06] <LAN_Lord> I don't need any fancy features, just the ability to chat on it.
[15:06] <scoofy> Lemongrab: ok, no idea.
[15:07] <Lemongrab> nor me
[15:07] <LAN_Lord> fancy == voice / video chat
[15:07] <scoofy> never seen that
[15:07] <scoofy> LAN_Lord: skype is proprietary, so maybe you won't find a client for it for raspi...
[15:07] <scoofy> though there's a .deb package on skype.com, dunno if it works on raspi
[15:07] <scoofy> i guess, nope
[15:07] <LAN_Lord> Yeah, that seems to be the conclusion I dug up.
[15:07] <scoofy> as it's not built for ARM
[15:07] <LAN_Lord> Yeah it fails when I try to use it due to architecture differences
[15:07] <scoofy> yep
[15:08] <LAN_Lord> :\ Was wondering if there might be some kind of third party client
[15:08] <LAN_Lord> Can I connect to it via pidgin maybe?
[15:08] <scoofy> as it is proprietary and not an open format (afaik), likely nope
[15:08] <scoofy> you can run pidgin on raspi
[15:08] <LAN_Lord> dang, my thoughts as well
[15:09] <LAN_Lord> Been a while since I used it, don't recall if its in the giant drop down it has
[15:09] <LAN_Lord> Bet I can find it on pidgin's site somewhere......here I go!
[15:09] <LAN_Lord> tyty
[15:09] <scoofy> apt-get install pidgin
[15:09] <scoofy> :)
[15:09] <scoofy> on your pi
[15:09] <scoofy> (+sudo)
[15:09] <LAN_Lord> yar
[15:09] <scoofy> it's in the repo
[15:10] <scoofy> though it won't connect to Skype
[15:11] <LAN_Lord> Weaksauce. Oh well.
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[15:29] <RPiNoob> Hello, is anyone willing to offer some help to a floundering rpi noobie?
[15:29] <devster31> shiftplusone you still there? du -sh bootcode.bin kernel7.img start.elf fixup* overlays *dtb -c what does that command do?
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[15:30] <shiftplusone> not much... show you how much space the files listed in it use
[15:32] <devster31> and those are the only ones needed
[15:32] <RPiNoob> I guess I'll just ask. I'm trying to sort out cross compilation for QTCreator. The instructions I'm following involve compiling Qt using an image for a raspberry pi OS, but it's super slow and for some reason my VM keeps losing connection which is making a lot of the terminal commands freeze up. I already have a working version of QTCreator on the pi (it was supplied). Can I use that existing
[15:32] <RPiNoob> installation to speed things up at all?
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[15:50] <Encapsulate> why is my ds3b20 temp sensor showing up on one pi but not the other?
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[16:01] <devster31> shit, not booting
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[16:11] <TBJoe> is the raspberry pi 2 powerful enough to stream movies (720p, 1080p?) to other devices? I'd like to have an USB hard drive attached to the pi and then watch content on my tablet or other devices in the network
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[16:14] <scoofy> TBJoe: i think yes (though i havent used it for that)
[16:15] <scoofy> should be
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[16:24] <devster31> shiftplusone not booting after I changed the cmdline to boot from /dev/sda2 , stays only with red led, what can I try?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> pastebin cmdline and the output of 'find' on the fat32 partition.
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[16:25] <devster31> find without arguments?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> yup
[16:28] <methuzla> Encapsulate what kind of temp sensor is that?
[16:30] <devster31> http://hastebin.com/vanufekiwa.avrasm
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[16:43] <diederik> devster31: pastebin your /etc/fstab
[16:44] <devster31> It's not booting
[16:44] <devster31> from where can I get it?
[16:46] <diederik> you have a linux box? (apart from the Pi)
[16:47] <diederik> otherwise you could change 'root=/dev/sda2' back to 'root=/dev/mmcblk0p2' and reboot your Pi
[16:50] <devster31> I'm trying to boot from usb, there's 10Mb of stuff on the sd card
[16:51] <diederik> nothing else?
[16:53] <devster31> I followed some guides that said to copy the boot partition from USB to the sd card and change that line in the cmdline.txt
[16:53] <diederik> /etc/fstab then resides on your USB drive/stick
[16:53] <devster31> which means?
[16:54] <diederik> that you should mount your USB drive on an external computer and then change that file
[16:54] <diederik> note that windows doesn't understand ext4 (which is used for your root filesystem)
[16:55] <devster31> done, this is the usb /etc/fstab http://hastebin.com/hekipabone.mel however no mention of it was in the guides I found
[16:56] <diederik> that 3rd line tells the system to get the root filesystem from the 2nd partition of the sd card
[16:57] <diederik> and I'm guessing that you don't have that
[16:57] <devster31> no I don't
[16:58] <devster31> isn't this the reason I edited cmdline?
[16:58] <diederik> then change that line to "/dev/sda2 / ext4 errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1"
[16:58] <shiftplusone> diederik: if fstab was important, you'd expect him/her to get past the kernel loading, at least. If it's just a red light, then something else is wrong. No?
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[16:58] <diederik> devster31: I believe you need to change both
[16:59] <diederik> shiftplusone: could be, but I'm pretty sure fstab is important
[16:59] <shiftplusone> you SHOULD change both, but it will boot if you leave fstab as is.
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> it is, but not for booting like that.
[17:00] <shiftplusone> if you have initramfs, for example, yeah that'll want to check fstab to figure out where to go.
[17:00] <diederik> that could explain things :-P
[17:00] <ShorTie> how did you make your sdcard, is /boot bootable ??
[17:00] <diederik> Since I'm looking at the code from the net installer
[17:00] <shiftplusone> the kernel itself is not so picky
[17:01] <devster31> ShorTie what do you mean? I formatted as fat32
[17:02] <diederik> devster31: does your system not boot at all or (just) not fully?
[17:02] <devster31> nothing, just red light
[17:02] <ShorTie> still gotta set boot flag
[17:02] <devster31> that I didn't check
[17:02] <devster31> again, not mentioned in the guide, wow
[17:03] <shiftplusone> ShorTie: why do you say it needs the boot flag?
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[17:03] <ShorTie> fdisk -l should show a *
[17:03] <shiftplusone> Is that something you know or an assumption?
[17:03] <ShorTie> because it does
[17:03] <ShorTie> i know
[17:03] <shiftplusone> you know wrong, sir... no * on my pi
[17:04] <diederik> I'm with shiftplusone
[17:04] <ShorTie> what ever
[17:04] <shiftplusone> You're not trying to boot dos here.
[17:05] <ShorTie> does NOT matter
[17:06] <ShorTie> formatted as fat32 isn't right either, but what the F do i know
[17:06] <devster31> it is bootable though
[17:07] <diederik> http://paste.debian.net/170254/
[17:08] <shiftplusone> http://paste.debian.net/170255/
[17:13] <shiftplusone> I wonder why the 0xC partition type shows up as fat16 in some tools O_o
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[17:16] <devster31> so no ideas?
[17:18] <diederik> how are you viewing the boot process?
[17:18] <devster31> hdmi
[17:18] <devster31> black screen
[17:18] <shiftplusone> which pi is it exactly?
[17:19] <devster31> model B bought it like 8 months after it was produced
[17:19] <shiftplusone> aha
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[17:19] <shiftplusone> does the ACT LED do anything at all at first? Is it glowing feintly? (you might need to cover the red LED to see it)
[17:19] <devster31> act is the little green one? no it's not doing anything
[17:20] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's the free one.
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[17:20] <shiftplusone> free?
[17:20] <shiftplusone> green
[17:21] <shiftplusone> (thanks, brain)
[17:23] <devster31> completely off
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[17:25] <shiftplusone> there's some overlap... ree.
[17:26] <devster31> ok, no, now I see the glow
[17:26] <shiftplusone> I know... what you described earlier wasn't a valid option.
[17:26] <devster31> so I read that it means it's not finding executable code
[17:27] <shiftplusone> it's not not finding bootcode.bin
[17:27] <shiftplusone> because your sd card isn't formatted right, isn't seated right or is just plain borked.
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[17:28] <devster31> I formatted it twice so it shouldn't be it, and it gets read well, so I'd exclude that either
[17:28] <diederik> how big is your sd card?
[17:28] <devster31> sd card? normal, not micro
[17:29] <diederik> you dd-ed the image, so it's not actually relevant
[17:30] <shiftplusone> well, that's what's happening, so you can't exclude everything. Either there's something wrong with the card, the files on it or the electrical connection.
[17:32] <devster31> I'll go with the card, other cards work, I'll try another
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[17:56] <fivetwentysix> How do I mount a USB harddrive?
[17:57] <fivetwentysix> I'm sure I can Google it but if it's one line please tell me :D
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[17:57] <devster31> mount /dev/whatever is your hd /wherever you want?
[17:57] <devster31> I believe
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[18:02] <devster31> what's the latest kernel on raspbian repos?
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[18:07] <fivetwentysix> devster31: I don't think my USB HD is in /dev
[18:07] <fivetwentysix> Also the lights don't light up on my HD
[18:07] <fivetwentysix> Maybe my HD is USB3 and pi is only USB2?
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[18:09] <thalos_> try lsusb and se if the kernel knows about your drive
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[19:22] <ford> hey
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[19:24] <ford> can i install a irc client on the raspbian?
[19:24] <ford> if yes: which one?
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[19:30] <devster31> weechat is cli, very good in my opinion, irssi is another popular one
[19:30] <devster31> I believe they are available
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[19:43] <tony1> +1 weechat
[19:45] * puzzola wants to say Pidgin if you have GUI, but can't remember.
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[19:47] <puzzola> Gogle seems to recommend Hexchat, but I haven't tried that one, either
[19:47] <puzzola> *Google
[19:48] <puzzola> Though now that I'm looking, Im gonna add Konversation to my own list of stuff to try
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[19:56] <tony1> I like weechat. it works very well for me.
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[19:56] <tony1> pidgin is also nice but I am in a shell most of the time'
[19:59] <tony1> if I was using a gui I would use pidgin
[20:00] <Getty> well computers with gui are cheap these days ;)
[20:00] * Getty hides
[20:01] <Getty> just saying, its all a kind of how you solve it, i mean you could always run a proxied X which you can use remote (even tho i would more suggest a windows with a RDP access then)
[20:01] <Getty> assuming your "shell most of time" actually means "i am remote very often"
[20:01] <Getty> i doubt you have just a text screen in front you ;-)
[20:01] <Getty> crazy enough, there is even a good rdp client on android LOL but.. its insane
[20:05] <scoofy> ford: irssi
[20:05] <tony1> Getty: well that's it all how you solve it. I don't use X on most of my stuff
[20:05] <scoofy> xchat also works, but slow-ish on old pi v1
[20:05] <Getty> tony1: yeah but you run the terminals in a GUI, or?
[20:05] <scoofy> and more resource hungry
[20:06] <scoofy> Getty: one can run it in tty1-6 as well
[20:06] <scoofy> or, ssh into the pi from another computer
[20:06] <Getty> COULD ;) but thats so oldschool
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[20:06] <tony1> Getty: sometimes not always
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[20:06] <fivetwentysix> ford: yep, I'm using irssi, it's great; I however use it from a cloud server that's always on :D
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[20:06] <scoofy> Getty: i use tty1-6 too
[20:06] <fivetwentysix> inside a tmux session
[20:06] <fivetwentysix> so it never closes
[20:07] <scoofy> tmux + irssi = tmux session stays active always
[20:07] <Getty> scoofy: i have years where i dont ever touch a real console of a linux
[20:07] <scoofy> even if you close it
[20:07] <tony1> ssh works well
[20:07] <scoofy> Getty: that's you :)
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[20:07] <fivetwentysix> Getty: how does that happen?
[20:07] <fivetwentysix> I have years where I don't use UIs
[20:07] <fivetwentysix> GUIs even
[20:07] <scoofy> terminal ftw
[20:07] <Getty> thats so 90s
[20:07] <Getty> but then i am disappointed
[20:07] <scoofy> 90s were fun :P
[20:07] <Getty> that you dont have a REAL terminal
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[20:07] <Getty> like we had in the 90s
[20:08] <Getty> you know
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[20:08] <Getty> _IF_ you do text console, then do it proper
[20:08] <Getty> i have a terminal in the basement, what is your excuse? ;)
[20:08] <scoofy> ...like?
[20:08] <fivetwentysix> Getty: well... chrome's terminal is not too shabby
[20:08] <Getty> you dont know what a REAL terminal is?
[20:08] <Getty> wait wait
[20:08] <fivetwentysix> i like using a web browser terminal sometimes
[20:08] <Getty> i mean a real terminal
[20:08] <scoofy> su.re.
[20:08] <Getty> the physical thing
[20:08] <scoofy> VT100
[20:08] <Getty> yes
[20:09] <Getty> that thing which is nothing more as a monitor and a keyword with a serial port
[20:09] <scoofy> yes. that terminal programs all emulate.
[20:09] <Getty> so if you use THAT, then we are talking!
[20:09] <fivetwentysix> harharhar
[20:09] <Getty> but if you have a real computer with a real gfx card, then damn it, use a gui and if you make fullscreen terminals
[20:09] <fivetwentysix> its otdated
[20:10] <Getty> dont behave like you just saw fire for the first time ;-) i was there, i made fire, and you should grow out of it! ;) so.... <dailyrant>
[20:10] <Getty> imagine that... fullscreen terminal
[20:10] <Getty> with pidgin notifications popups
[20:10] <Getty> you cant tell me that this wouldnt be cool
[20:10] <scoofy> that's what i'm having
[20:10] <scoofy> guake in full screen mode
[20:10] <scoofy> is a full screen terminal.
[20:10] <Getty> yes but then you have a GUI and can use the GUI stuff but he specific wants it all in text
[20:10] <scoofy> lemme make a screenshot
[20:10] <Getty> and there comes the breakpoint ;)
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[20:13] <scoofy> Getty: http://morpheus.spectralhead.com/img/raspi-terminal.png
[20:13] <scoofy> that's how I "live" on the raspi
[20:14] <Getty> this is so oldschool......
[20:14] <scoofy> ...and? :)
[20:14] <Getty> cant you imagine that you can get the same with more?
[20:14] <Getty> i mean, you limit yourself for just gettig this picture
[20:14] <Getty> but you can have more and still get the same picture
[20:14] <scoofy> nope, i do not limit myself to 'just get this picture'
[20:15] <Getty> ah yeah wait you had it all in X always?
[20:15] <scoofy> i prefer this, because this way i can SSH into my raspi from any of my computers
[20:15] <scoofy> (i have about 5)
[20:15] <scoofy> this is in X
[20:15] <scoofy> X/guake
[20:15] <Getty> yeah ok
[20:15] <scoofy> so i can scroll that halway up or get back to X fully
[20:15] <scoofy> F12/F11
[20:15] <scoofy> my X looks like this: http://morpheus.spectralhead.com/img/raspi.png
[20:16] <scoofy> but i just prefer the terminal(s)
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[20:16] <scoofy> so the terminals are overlaid on top of that
[20:17] <Getty> as boring as them all
[20:18] <Getty> ;)
[20:18] <scoofy> when i was in the 90s, i used guis
[20:18] <scoofy> so now why not use terminals
[20:18] <scoofy> i used GUIs enough, boring after some time
[20:18] <Getty> i have a status screen here
[20:18] <Getty> normally it had run htop
[20:19] <Getty> of my main server
[20:19] <Getty> but i wanna run a webpage on there, with websocket, lots of rotating stuff, and shit, making it the ultimative status screen experience
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[20:20] <fivetwentysix> Getty: monit
[20:20] <scoofy> i use multitail to monitor servers
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[20:20] <scoofy> rather, server logs
[20:20] <fivetwentysix> Getty: http://mmonit.com/monit/
[20:20] <Getty> no i dont want monit
[20:20] <Getty> i dont want monitoring
[20:20] <Getty> i want a status screen
[20:20] <fivetwentysix> isn't that what is? a configurable status page?
[20:21] <Getty> like..... notifications information, news read outs, i want to be informed on an event that impacts worldwide and stuff, i want this screen always showing me wat i need
[20:21] <Getty> the monitoring is then like a pretty low part in this
[20:21] <Getty> like actually i dont wanna see monitoring till something explodes
[20:21] <Getty> i just want that one screen delivering all info i need
[20:21] <Getty> also it should show me (which i already did once with xbmc/kodi) what is currently playing on my media station
[20:22] <Getty> so i see the time how long it will still run, which episode of the series it is or what is the name of it
[20:22] <scoofy> http://morpheus.spectralhead.com/img/multitail.png
[20:22] <Getty> and rotating the actors playing on it
[20:22] <scoofy> apache logs & server logs
[20:22] <fivetwentysix> Getty: well websockets is pretty easy these days, meteorjs is your easy bet
[20:22] <fivetwentysix> since it's easy to do scheduled jobs
[20:22] <fivetwentysix> and reactive ui is what its all about
[20:22] <Getty> fivetwentysix: oh thanks i dont need someone telling me this, its my job since years
[20:22] <ford> ok ty
[20:23] <ford> now i have a nother problem
[20:23] <fivetwentysix> Getty: cool
[20:23] <ford> i cant configure ntp right
[20:23] <ford> i have install it
[20:23] <Getty> since decades actually..... <sigh>
[20:23] <ford> and start it
[20:23] <fivetwentysix> you sound old
[20:23] <fivetwentysix> :(
[20:23] <scoofy> darkstat can show server stats (mostly traffic) in fancy javascript www page
[20:23] <ford> bit the time isnt correct
[20:23] <scoofy> with graphs
[20:23] <ford> why? :D
[20:24] <Getty> well i am IT old, first linux install like 20 years ago, and since then doing whatever comes in front of me
[20:24] <Getty> .... which is of course in 99.9999% webshit
[20:25] <fivetwentysix> oh man mandrake bricked my harddrive so many times
[20:25] <tony1> how far off os the time?
[20:25] <tony1> *off
[20:25] <tony1> opps *is
[20:27] <ford> the rpi have 2027 and we have 2227
[20:28] <scoofy> 2027 what
[20:28] <ford> 2 hours differnce
[20:28] <ford> 20:27
[20:28] <ford> 22:27
[20:28] <scoofy> ah. ok.
[20:29] <scoofy> at times i didn't understand why is my pi 2 hours off local time
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[20:33] <tony1> i remember something about if ntp time is off my a certain amount it will not update
[20:37] <tony1> i would try setting the time with the date command and see it it starts to update...just an idea
[20:37] <scoofy> i one set it with date, then it later reverted
[20:37] <scoofy> i did set it later again, now it seems to stay ok
[20:38] <scoofy> that was around daylight savings time changed
[20:38] <fivetwentysix> ls
[20:38] <tony1> you could also try raspi-config
[20:38] <scoofy> raspi-config allows setting timezone? maybe was some wrong setting
[20:43] <tony1> could be timezone setting is off or the system time is off too much to allow updating
[20:45] <tony1> type date in a terminal the time should be correct for your time zone
[20:51] <scoofy> it is correct now
[20:51] <scoofy> i just don't understand why it went 2 hours off
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[20:58] <tony1> network problem? not sure but I think if the time is off my a certain amount it will stop updating
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