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[0:12] <anunnaki> is there a way to run omx player not in full screen mode?
[0:14] <shiftplusone> yeah
[0:14] <shiftplusone> there should be some width/height parameters you can set
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[0:21] <ratatat> Hi
[0:21] <plugwash> hi
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[0:23] <ratatat> will appear a Oficial version Raspian with debian 8 (Jessie), soon?
[0:26] <shiftplusone> ratatat, if by official, you mean raspberry pi foundation, soon, but not as soon as I'd want. No ETA yet.
[0:26] <shiftplusone> but raspbian itself has supported jessie for ages.
[0:28] * plugwash wonders when the first big load of breakage will land in stretch
[0:30] <ratatat> shiftplusone: aah ok thx, I cant find read to use raspian jessie image
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[1:58] <scoofy> after hard reset, where does raspi get time from?
[2:01] <scoofy> where does one post bug reports?
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[2:06] <plugwash> the raspberry pi foundation raspbian images use something called fake-hwclock which periodically saves the time to a file and restores it on boot. If they have internet access they also use ntp
[2:08] <plugwash> as for bugs it depends what they are bugs in, for bugs in packages that came from raspbian you can report them at https://launchpad.net/raspbian for kernel bugs please report them to the raspberry pi foundation at https://github.com/raspberrypi/kernel
[2:08] <plugwash> sorry raspberrypi/linux not raspberrypi/kernel
[2:08] <plugwash> for other raspberry pi foundation packages the bug reporting situation is more of a mess :( some have github projects that can be used to report bugs but many don't :(
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[2:33] <scoofy> plugwash: i found (again) that upon reboot, my clock went 2 hours back
[2:34] <scoofy> i installed clamav package, but it made my pi a mess
[2:34] <scoofy> i.e. cpu overload and hangup, had to hard reset and remove it
[2:34] <scoofy> i thought maybe i could report that somewhere
[2:34] <scoofy> specifically the freshclam package, which is the antivir database updater that hanged up my cpu
[2:35] <scoofy> so i just removed it and be done with it
[2:35] <scoofy> so dunno who maintains that, or where to report that
[2:37] <plugwash> sadly I can't reccomend much, you can report it to the raspbian bug tracker if you want but unless the bug report comes with a patch it will most likely just sit there and rot :/
[2:40] <scoofy> okay. i'm not really concerned about it, just tried it but it didn't work
[2:41] <scoofy> also no idea what caused it etc.
[2:41] <scoofy> and since it makes my pi unstable, no intention to keep experimenting with it
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[10:06] <dutchfish> hi, where is the code located that reads out the serial inside /proc/cpuinfo? i have an rpi 2 running on a pure Debian system, but the serial is all 0's and i want to fix that.
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[10:06] <dutchfish> any hints to docs or manuals would be apreciated
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[10:26] <ShorTie> serial in /proc/cpuinfo is a serial # i believe, that can be seen with 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
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[10:31] <dutchfish> ShorTie, yes, but it puts out 000.. see http://paste.debian.net/170733
[10:32] <dutchfish> ShorTie, this is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/170732
[10:35] <ShorTie> or 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'Serial' | cut -d ":" -f2" if you just want the #'s
[10:35] <dutchfish> hehe
[10:37] <ShorTie> don't know if it makes a difference, but who's kernel are you using ??
[10:38] <dutchfish> ShorTie, https://repositories.collabora.co.uk/debian/pool/rpi2/l/linux/
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[10:39] <ShorTie> that is probily why
[10:39] <dutchfish> ShorTie, hence my question
[10:40] <ShorTie> i only use the foundations, even with straight debian
[10:40] <dutchfish> hi, where is the code located that reads out the serial inside /proc/cpuinfo? i have an rpi 2 running on a pure Debian system, but the serial is all 0's and i want to fix that.
[10:40] <dutchfish> (iside raspbian)
[10:40] <dutchfish> inside*
[10:40] <ShorTie> why are you using that collabora junk ??
[10:41] <ShorTie> s/junk/stuff/
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[10:41] <dutchfish> ShorTie, first of all it is no junk, but that is only an opinion, no need to trol. Secondly, raspbian currently has not (not yet) v7 userland, nor any docs about it.
[10:42] <dutchfish> ShorTie, fyi i use both raspbian and debian
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[10:42] <ShorTie> so can i
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[10:43] <dutchfish> ShorTie, i gues its code is hidden in some kernel mudule, which i could not find, hence i ask, sorry if this is offtopic.
[10:43] <ShorTie> but i still use the foundations kernel, even with debian stretch
[10:44] <dutchfish> ShorTie, that would be an option, any docs about it?
[10:44] <ShorTie> not off topic
[10:44] <dutchfish> ShorTie, ok, thanks
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[10:44] <ShorTie> you just want a plain Debian system ??
[10:45] <dutchfish> ShorTie, if possible, yes
[10:45] <dutchfish> ShorTie, aka jessie
[10:45] <ShorTie> here, use this https://www.dropbox.com/s/zp60vi3na7xn3lk/my_pi_os.sh
[10:46] <dutchfish> ShorTie, ouch, believe it or not i have no dropbox
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[10:46] <dutchfish> ShorTie, ok, got it, thank you very much
[10:47] <ShorTie> run it from your pi, use the foundation kernel/bootloader and any Debian you what
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[10:48] <dutchfish> ShorTie, nice, i delve into it!
[10:48] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
[10:48] <dutchfish> :)
[10:50] <ShorTie> that doesn't have stretch in it, but niether does cdebootstrap, so....
[10:50] <dutchfish> ShorTie, can it be used inside a bootstrapped install in a jail?
[10:50] <dutchfish> ah you just beat me to it ;)
[10:50] <ShorTie> oh, i don't know about all that
[10:50] <dutchfish> ShorTie, np, i can figure it out
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[10:52] <dutchfish> ShorTie, basically it boils down to bootstrap my flavour, and work my way to that script, to get the desired kernel, firmware and raspbian userland tools
[10:52] <ShorTie> to get stretch, just add a release for it into my_pi_os and into /usr/share/cdebootstrap/suites
[10:52] <dutchfish> ShorTie, thanks again!
[10:53] <ShorTie> can you boot up regular old raspbian ??
[10:53] <dutchfish> ShorTie, sure
[10:53] <ShorTie> just use that and that script to make what ever then
[10:53] <dutchfish> ShorTie, but with some tweaks for perforamnce and recompiling to v7
[10:54] <dutchfish> ShorTie, just a minimal raspbian install?
[10:54] <ShorTie> ya, that should work
[10:54] <dutchfish> ShorTie, i have them lying around, so np
[10:55] <ShorTie> should pull in anything else it needs
[10:55] <dutchfish> ok
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[10:58] <dutchfish> atm i remotely boot with unetbootin to a nfs kernel server, so i can switch images on the fly and tweak kernels
[10:58] <dutchfish> your script is pulling in the stuff atm
[10:59] <dutchfish> release=jessie
[11:02] <dutchfish> ShorTie, worked like a charm
[11:02] <dutchfish> (with some alterations to my needs)
[11:03] <dutchfish> ShorTie, a big thanks
[11:03] <ShorTie> cool\
[11:03] <ShorTie> No Problem
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[11:10] <dutchfish> ShorTie, lots of fun with all my rpi's, see my homepage http://www.yellowsource.org/
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[11:31] <Guest7825> Is it posible to upgrade to stretch yet?
[11:35] <dutchfish> Guest7825, well, since jesie got stable, the differences between the new testing aka stretch are not huge yet, sid is in a bad shape atm
[11:36] <Guest7825> I know but if posible i wanted to upgrade right away and recieve the upgrades as they get put in testing
[11:36] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i barely manage to get jessie running, stretch has on top some other issues i gues
[11:37] <dutchfish> Guest7825, you can always try and learn
[11:37] * dutchfish mumbles about frequent backups
[11:37] <Guest7825> I just need a basic linux server, no x or other fancy stuff
[11:38] <dutchfish> Guest7825, why then not go with current raspbian?
[11:39] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i expect to see adapted code soon for rpi2, but until then the rest is unstable or testing, not so good for a rpi 2 connected to the web all the time
[11:39] <Guest7825> by comparison debian will always be quite old
[11:39] <dutchfish> Guest7825, fair enough, new is not always better ;)
[11:40] <dutchfish> Guest7825, performance wise, the newer kernels and v7 userland promise a tit better performance
[11:40] <Guest7825> I know, I just want a newer kernel than 3,6
[11:40] <dutchfish> Guest7825, but does that mather for webserver? what about security? just my 2 cents
[11:41] <Guest7825> Im not planning to run webserver
[11:41] <dutchfish> oh ok
[11:41] <Guest7825> just a simply linux I can ssh to and play with
[11:41] <diederik> Guest7825: change wheezy/jessie to stretch in sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:42] <Guest7825> :)
[11:42] <dutchfish> Guest7825, anything goes then, depending on how much knowledge you alreayd gained about it, raspbian works out of the box, but needs alot of cleanup if you just want a headless console
[11:42] <Guest7825> I was planning to download a minimalistic no x image
[11:43] <dutchfish> Guest7825, that not a bad choice
[11:43] <Guest7825> like darkbasic maybe
[11:43] <Guest7825> I am used to debian but gave up on debian many years ago because the kernel always was two years behind
[11:44] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i am in the same boot
[11:44] <dutchfish> Guest7825, but didnt gave up on Debian
[11:44] <Guest7825> I guess you mean boat
[11:44] <dutchfish> Guest7825, yes :) sorry for my poor english
[11:44] <Guest7825> I speak german as well so no problem
[11:45] <diederik> steenkolen Engels :-P
[11:45] <dutchfish> diederik, helemaal goed
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[11:50] <Guest7825> what issues have you encountered with jessie?
[11:51] <dutchfish> Guest7825, well, so far none, except to get firmware in place and the userland bindings, currently i am checking out another option from ShorTie https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=104981&p=724704#p724704
[11:52] <dutchfish> Guest7825, it should work with stretch also
[11:52] <dutchfish> Guest7825, the nice thing it is very minimalistic, so you can tweak it to your needs
[11:55] <dutchfish> Guest7825, another option i have tested is http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/
[11:55] <Guest7825> I expect that raspbian jessie images should be released any time now
[11:56] <dutchfish> Guest7825, which boots out of the box. (dont forget to regenerate the ssh keys)
[11:56] <Guest7825> Im planning to install on a RPi1 not 2
[11:56] <dutchfish> Guest7825, then stick to wheezy for now, i had not so good expirience with my rpi1, but that might be due to the kernels i tried
[11:57] <Guest7825> I would expect jessie to perform decent on the 1 as well
[11:57] <Guest7825> but the performance difference is huge, I have a RPI2 as well
[11:57] <Guest7825> got OSMC image on it atm
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[11:57] <dutchfish> Guest7825, when it comes too booting, yes. But for performance no, not really. Rem, the wheezy raspbian is tweaked very good, that is hard to beat
[11:58] <dutchfish> Guest7825, hw is v6
[11:58] <Guest7825> okay maybe wait for raspbian jessie then
[11:58] <Guest7825> yeah i know it is quite old
[11:59] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i think if you have the patience, wait for jessie to arrive in raspbian
[11:59] <dutchfish> Guest7825, that would safe you alot of trouble
[12:00] <Guest7825> I wish there was more arm boards available. I am quite happy for the RPI2
[12:00] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i wish there where more arm board that had a completely open stack ;)
[12:00] <Guest7825> oh yes
[12:01] <dutchfish> rpi 2 is the next best thing
[12:01] <Guest7825> I always wanted to build a ceph cluster with arm boards
[12:01] <Guest7825> but sadly that is next to imposible
[12:01] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i am expirimenting with hadoop and picluster on rpi 2
[12:02] <Guest7825> how many do you have?
[12:02] <dutchfish> Guest7825, rpi1 32 and pri 2 just 4 for testing
[12:02] <dutchfish> s/pri/rpi
[12:03] <dutchfish> pi cluster is not hard, hadoop is a long term project
[12:03] <dutchfish> but with the newer kernels and contianers it will be more and more becoming into reach
[12:04] <Guest7825> I cant imagine a use case that justifies just attempting that
[12:04] <dutchfish> fun
[12:04] <dutchfish> and learning
[12:04] <dutchfish> and i can afford that
[12:04] <Guest7825> I have other projects in the making atm
[12:05] <Guest7825> and yes the afforability and power consumption of arm is brilliant for such tests.
[12:05] * dutchfish nods
[12:05] <Guest7825> Same reason why I wanted to use arm for Ceph cluster
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[12:05] <Guest7825> might not yield the performacne but data integrity should be perfect
[12:05] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i have also a node with 2950's and an equalogic backend, but that kills the cat when the powerbill arives
[12:06] <dutchfish> Guest7825, i just use it for specific tests, it has 48 cores in total
[12:07] <Guest7825> that is some dell stuff right?
[12:07] <dutchfish> yes
[12:07] <Guest7825> that equals expensive then
[12:07] <dutchfish> no, i got it donated for free
[12:07] <Guest7825> oh neat
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[12:08] <dutchfish> and i have a complete pool in reserve, if anyone has intrest give a yell, i dont ship, but it is free
[12:08] <dutchfish> you have to come and get it yourself
[12:09] <dutchfish> it just consumes to much power to be of good use for tsting stuff at home
[12:09] <Guest7825> tempting but what i need is simply basic storage
[12:09] <Guest7825> it seems like a big overkill
[12:09] <dutchfish> Guest7825, well, it has 4TB
[12:10] <dutchfish> Guest7825, 2 x hw raid
[12:10] <dutchfish> Guest7825, SAS
[12:10] <dutchfish> Guest7825, with working original spindles
[12:10] <dutchfish> Guest7825, fully filled
[12:11] <Guest7825> Im going for low iops and inexpensive build :) because it is mostly for archival use
[12:11] <dutchfish> Guest7825, ok
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[12:12] <dutchfish> Guest7825, thats why i dont use it anymore either, and building it atop rpi 2
[12:13] <dutchfish> Guest7825, its 100 watt versus 2.4KW
[12:13] <dutchfish> for the same cores
[12:14] <dutchfish> i can live with less cpu power
[12:19] <Guest7825> I feel the same way
[12:19] <Guest7825> not going for performace
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[12:35] <devster31> has anyone tried to cross compile zlib for pi? I keep getting compiler error reporting is too harsh and I can't override it with CFLAGS
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[12:38] * plugwash wonders why you are trying to compile it rather than just using the version we provide
[12:39] <devster31> well I tried, I downloaded the dev from archive.rasbian.org but when I try to use it with libtorrent it checks usability and presence, returns yes and then tells me it's not a valid install
[12:43] <devster31> but I welcome any help on the matter plugwash
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[12:46] <plugwash> looking at the config.log output may help
[12:46] <plugwash> but i've generally found cross-compiling to be more trouble than it's worth
[12:48] <devster31> this is what's missing from conf.log zlib_cv_libz=no
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[12:52] <plugwash> can you post the complete config.log somewhere
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[12:58] <devster31> yes, I'm posting the one from libtorrent, taking some time
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[12:59] <devster31> http://hastebin.com/panojifiyo
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[13:05] <plugwash> strange
[13:07] <devster31> I believe this is the relevant configure section http://hastebin.com/kahokoboqa.bash
[13:07] <plugwash> configure:18232: checking for inflateEnd in -lz
[13:07] <plugwash> configure:18257: arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc -o conftest -I/home/ubuntu/raspberry/dist/include -march=armv6 -I/home/ubuntu/raspberry/dist/include -L/home/ubuntu/raspberry/lib -march=armv6 -Wl,-syslibroot,/home/ubuntu/raspberry/rootfs -L/home/ubuntu/raspberry/dist/lib conftest.c -lz >&5
[13:07] <plugwash> /home/ubuntu/raspberry/rootfs: file not recognized: Is a directory
[13:07] <plugwash> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:07] <plugwash> configure:18257: $? = 1
[13:07] <plugwash> configure: failed program was:
[13:08] <plugwash> that is clealy where it is failing
[13:09] <devster31> ok, cheking flags
[13:14] <devster31> so it's inflatend that's failing
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[13:17] <devster31> ok, sysroot is buggy as hell in that lib
[13:17] <scoofy> upon boot, my hour is always -2 hrs compared to local time. how do i fix this?
[13:18] <plugwash> presumablly your system is set up for the wrong timezone
[13:19] <plugwash> iirc the command you need to change it is dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[13:24] <scoofy> yes, that is also my guess (wrong timezone)
[13:25] <scoofy> lemme check
[13:25] <scoofy> hm
[13:26] <scoofy> local time is 15:25
[13:26] <scoofy> now 'date' says 18:25 EEST
[13:26] <scoofy> i think we use CET
[13:28] <scoofy> er, i mean it says 17:27 CEST
[13:29] <scoofy> but maybe because i set time 2 hrs forward... to adjust for the error
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[13:29] <scoofy> ok, i'll se on next reboot
[13:35] <scoofy> what is the current state around raspbian jessie?
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[13:37] <plugwash> afaict jessie itself is ok but the raspberry pi foundation still need to forward port their stuff to it
[13:38] <scoofy> first of all, i do not want to turn this into a systemd rant, but how will systemd potentiall affect raspbian jessie?
[13:39] <scoofy> afaik debian jessie now installs it by default.
[13:39] <scoofy> so i'm currently just trying to understand, what it might affect, and in what ways.
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[13:40] <plugwash> that's something of a "how long is a peice of string" question.
[13:40] <scoofy> so far i haven't fully understood even the need for systemd at all, like, what problem it supposedly solves, so why i do even need it
[13:41] <scoofy> and so far no one gave a conclusive answer
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[13:41] <scoofy> and i'm trying to gather info
[13:41] * plugwash hasn't quite figured that out himself either
[13:41] <scoofy> okay, so we're on the same side for now :)
[13:42] <plugwash> I see various things that look kinda cool but nothing I would consider "essential" and I do wonder if the inevitable pain of switching from the devil you know to the devil you don't is really worth it
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[13:43] <scoofy> i have similar impresions
[13:43] <plugwash> but equally I don't think the raspberry pi community can hold back the tide
[13:43] <scoofy> fine, i'm just trying to understand this and how it would supposedly work
[13:43] <scoofy> apparently, gnome3 depends on it. but raspi doesn't use gnome... it uses LXDE
[13:43] <scoofy> so that's a different scenario, compared to a distro which has Gnome DE
[13:44] <scoofy> (dunno about other potential dependencies, and if they can be solved)
[13:45] <scoofy> so i joined #systemd, hoping that i'll learn more
[13:45] <plugwash> The big worry going forward with avoiding systemd is logind, logind has totally replaced consolekit (which apparently was abandoned). It's possible to run logind without using systemd as your initi system by using something called "systemd-shim" but I seriously wonder how well that will be maintained in future
[13:46] <plugwash> at least that is the biggest one I see
[13:46] <scoofy> i see
[13:49] <twolife> unfortunally you are really on your own if you use systemd-shim :/ if you report a bug to the debian bts against gdm3 & your systemd use systemd-shim instead of systemd+login, you will get zero support/help from the maintainers
[13:50] <twolife> s/gdm3 & your systemd/gdm3 & your system/
[13:51] <scoofy> i'm also keeping an eye on Devuan, which is supposed to become a continuation of Debian without systemd, i wonder where that will lead
[13:51] <twolife> devuan seems vapoware/scam to me
[13:52] <scoofy> faik you can update debian wheezy to devuan and they have an apt repo
[13:52] <scoofy> whether it will be vaporware or not, we'll see (maybe, maybe not)
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[13:59] <scoofy> eh... with systemd, there's even a new hostnamectl to change hostname...
[14:00] <scoofy> after which, you need to reboot
[14:00] <scoofy> i mean, there's already a 'hostname' program to do that, i just don't get why systemd constantly reinvents the wheel
[14:01] <scoofy> plus the fact that you supposedly need to reboot sometimes... that is also worrying
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[14:55] <devster31> now another freakin error, can't find execinfo.h http://hastebin.com/norapayuqi.1c at the top there are commands and export I'm using, lib I'm trying to compile is rakshasa/libtorrent
[14:55] <devster31> any help appreciated
[14:59] <ali1234> why don't you just compile it natively?
[15:00] <devster31> on the pi?, I am, it's been 2 days
[15:00] <devster31> I'd like something snappier
[15:00] <devster31> also for fun
[15:01] <ali1234> 2 days to compile a torrent client?
[15:02] <devster31> i have the old pi and a battered sd card
[15:02] <devster31> dunno why it's taking so long
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[15:05] <buu> Because its a class 1 sd card?
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[15:05] <devster31> class 2
[15:06] <buu> Close enough
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[15:23] <devster31> besides, how does team raspbian do it? I always thought on embedded systems most of this stuff was done cross-compiling
[15:25] <plugwash> raspbian is not an embedded distro
[15:25] <plugwash> like debian we build natively on arm systems
[15:25] <plugwash> currently we are using quad core imx6 boards with 2GB of ram
[15:26] <plugwash> and sata hard drives
[15:27] <devster31> my bad, TIL, but this means I can get any armhf release?
[15:28] <devster31> I always thought since rpi 1 was armv6 and had hf it was something peculiar
[15:30] <plugwash> raspbian binaries will run quite happilly on armv7 systems so if you can get a debian/ubuntu system running on a board you can debootstrap a raspbian chroot and use that chroot to build raspbian packages
[15:32] <devster31> still needs to be arm though right?
[15:34] <plugwash> well there is user mode qemu which can be used to run a raspbian chroot on an x86 system but it's not particually fast and it has bugs which break some builds
[15:35] <devster31> ok, I understand a bit better now, thanks, still pissed off I'm not able to make it work
[15:36] <Getty> in the pre rpi2 days the banana was an option to compile faster, but that was literally the only sense of the banana pi ;-)))) what a crap device
[15:37] <buu> I just use armhf to cross compile to my pi2
[15:37] <buu> But that doesn't work for pi1 I think
[15:37] <Getty> i tried a lot and everything failed, but i still have a pi2 at hands
[15:38] <buu> It took me a while to figure out what options to pass to configure but after that it went fine
[15:38] <buu> Also I learned that mplayer doesn't crosscompile its internal copy of ffmpeg properly
[15:38] <Getty> blackmagic!
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[15:38] <Getty> if more people would use my App::Installer, you could give me now an installer-file and i could replicate it easily!
[15:38] <Getty> but these days are still not there....
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[15:43] <ali1234> rtorrent needs c++11 anyway
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[16:09] <scoofy> my root is in group 'indiecity'. is that normal?
[16:12] <scoofy> i did 'deluser pi sudo' to remove user 'pi' from sudoers. apparently that didn't work
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[16:18] <scoofy> 'groups pi' doesn't include me in group 'sudo'
[16:18] <scoofy> i commented out user pi in /etc/sudoers
[16:18] <scoofy> but i can still sudo to root (except with password)
[16:22] <devster31> I honestly can't follow that, sorry
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[16:23] <scoofy> question is: 'how to remove user "pi" from sudoers'
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[16:39] <devster31> è un negrone
[16:39] <devster31> visudo maybe?
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[17:21] <shiftplusone> yeah, just remove the linux in /etc/sudoers which gives pi nopasswd sudo rights.
[17:21] <scoofy> i did, but i can still sudo with passwd
[17:21] <scoofy> is that normal?
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> scoofy, did you log out and back in?
[18:28] <shiftplusone> (after removing yourself from the sudo group)
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[18:57] <scoofy> shiftplusone: just restarted shell. is that not enough?
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[18:57] <shiftplusone> I'd think so. I'm sure you've checked 'groups'
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[18:57] <shiftplusone> then yeah, that's odd...
[18:58] <shiftplusone> But there has to be some problem in the sudoers file then.
[18:58] <scoofy> hm. i appeared again in group 'sudo'
[18:58] <scoofy> user pi is commented out in /etc/sudoers...
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[19:02] <shiftplusone> When you say you started a new shell, was it forked off an already running shell? Just log out and back in to be on the safe side.
[19:02] <scoofy> ok, i'll try.
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[19:20] <devster31> what would happen If I used buildroot to create a chroot to cross compile for the pi?
[19:22] <shiftplusone> devster31, sensible approach.
[19:23] <shiftplusone> that's basically the linuxfromscratch approach.
[19:25] * Getty just had to think about "DONT CROSS THE STREAMS!"
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[19:54] <bltzfsck> i've never gotten the username pi with password raspberry to work with either of my pis
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[19:55] <bltzfsck> if i open a shell in the gui, pi is automatically logged in, but otherwise, no shell
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[19:56] <bltzfsck> guess i could just sudo passwd, but then i wouldn't know why it dint work in the first place
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[20:06] <scoofy> bltzfsck: ?
[20:06] <scoofy> going to GUI logs in you automatically
[20:07] <scoofy> you could try ctrl-alt-f1 and log in there
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[20:43] <bltzfsck> scoofy: sorry, was away
[20:43] <bltzfsck> scoofy: that's exactly what i was trying to do, but the password/login name doesn't work there
[20:44] <bltzfsck> scoofy: second pi, same result as the first. raspbian both times
[20:45] <bltzfsck> scoofy: maybe it's my breath
[20:48] <Chocolate_Chip> hay. I keep getting firmware updates,b ut according to the release notes it hasn't ben updated since febuary
[20:48] <Chocolate_Chip> I'm not using the nightly
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[20:49] <Chocolate_Chip> I don't understand it
[20:49] <Chocolate_Chip> *** If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully updated to 3ae7fd5bb0d2d34f7793f76c8a242ee177fafb3d
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[21:25] <shiftplusone> Chocolate_Chip, what release notes, why are you running rpi-update and why do you need newer firmware?
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[21:38] <Getty> wow installing kodi on the fire stick was nice & easy i am surprised
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[21:48] <Chocolate_Chip> shiftplusone, by release notes, I mean http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
[21:48] <Chocolate_Chip> And I run raspi-update every day to check
[21:48] <Chocolate_Chip> And it installed new firmware
[21:48] <Chocolate_Chip> But the release notes haven't been updated
[21:48] <shiftplusone> those release notes aren't for the firmware.
[21:48] <Chocolate_Chip> oh
[21:49] <Chocolate_Chip> Where are the firmware release notes
[21:49] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/master
[21:49] <Chocolate_Chip> k
[21:49] <Chocolate_Chip> thanks
[21:50] <shiftplusone> but.... don't do what you're doing.
[21:50] <shiftplusone> there's no reason for you to run rpi-update (unless there is... but there isn't)
[21:51] <Chocolate_Chip> k
[21:51] <Chocolate_Chip> What would be a ligitimate rteason?
[21:55] <shiftplusone> You've been asked to by an engineer from raspberry pi, you're a developer requiring a specific feature not introduced into the stable firmware yet and/or there's a bug in the stable firmware which requires you to use a different revision.
[21:56] <Chocolate_Chip> oh
[21:56] <Chocolate_Chip> okay
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[21:56] <Chocolate_Chip> Yeah. I'll stop that then
[21:57] <Chocolate_Chip> When a new version of raspbian comes out, do I just do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then?
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[22:06] <shiftplusone> I feel like you're conflating a few things together and I don't know which of those things you're asking about? Raspbian/Debian releases? Foundation's distribution of Raspbian? Just the firmware?
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[22:07] <Chocolate_Chip> Raspian
[22:07] <Chocolate_Chip> See, i thought rpi-update updates the distro
[22:07] <Chocolate_Chip> But now I know better
[22:08] <ali1234> yes you just use apt-get
[22:08] <Chocolate_Chip> okay
[22:08] <ali1234> what i'm not quite clear on is how apt supersedes rpi-update
[22:09] <ali1234> i know you will eventually end up back on the distro packaged firmware, but i'm not sure what the conditions for that are
[22:09] <Chocolate_Chip> Well, I'm somewhat new to Linux
[22:09] <Chocolate_Chip> So please excuse my ignorance
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[22:10] <ali1234> for example, suppose you have an old firmware A, raspbian has a newer packaged firmware B which you have not yet installed, and the firmware repo HEAD is at firmware C which is even newer
[22:11] <ali1234> if you run rpi-update and get firmware C, and the run apt-get dist-upgrade will firmware C be overwritten by the older firmware B?
[22:11] <Chocolate_Chip> uh...
[22:11] <Chocolate_Chip> hmm
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[22:14] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yeah, the two systems are completely unaware of each other and will happily clash like that. That's the main reason I advice against just running it for the hell of it.
[22:15] <ali1234> will the .firmware_revision created by rpi-update be left behind then?
[22:15] <shiftplusone> yeah
[22:15] <ali1234> :(
[22:15] <shiftplusone> an rpi-update which uses .deb files is on my todo list.
[22:15] <ali1234> why not do it the other way around?
[22:16] <ali1234> make the deb post-inst call rpi-update :)
[22:16] * plugwash slaps ali1234 arround a bit with a large trout
[22:16] <plugwash> rpi-update is a dirty hack that has long outstayed it's welcome
[22:16] <shiftplusone> does that seem sensible to you?
[22:16] <plugwash> we should be phasing it out not building it into more stuff
[22:17] <ali1234> well, people who don't use debian based distros aren't going to stop using it
[22:17] <shiftplusone> arch has resolved this problem long ago.
[22:17] <ali1234> which means people who *do* use debian based distros will continue to use it out of ignorance no matter what you do
[22:17] <shiftplusone> (by packaging it properly)
[22:17] <ali1234> oh really? how?
[22:18] <ali1234> "it"?
[22:18] <plugwash> well it's up to them whether they produce something that integrates properly into their own distros or keep encouraging their users to use rpi-update
[22:18] <shiftplusone> I think if you check their repo, they have stable and nightly firmware packages.
[22:18] <plugwash> theres nightly firmware debs being built too, it's just we have a bit of a user awareness problem :/
[22:18] <ali1234> hmm i didn't know that...
[22:19] <shiftplusone> plugwash, awareness and maintenance, I'd say.
[22:19] <shiftplusone> I'm pretty sure it's broken right now >.>
[22:19] <plugwash> shiftplusone, well it's still building them, in what way do you think it's broken?
[22:19] <shiftplusone> but it seems like a good starting point to replace rpi-update... all the pieces are there.
[22:19] <shiftplusone> sec
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[22:20] <shiftplusone> 1) does it run this script? https://github.com/asb/firmware/blob/debian/debian/gen_bootloader_postinst_preinst.sh
[22:21] <shiftplusone> 2) I'm building the firmware from here now https://github.com/XECDesign/firmware
[22:21] <shiftplusone> 3) that will be moved to a separate github organisation with all the foundation stuff.
[22:23] <ali1234> wait, you're XECDesign?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> 4) I never did put in anything to prevent apt-cache disk from filling up.
[22:23] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yeah
[22:23] <ali1234> makes sense i suppose...
[22:24] <plugwash> 1: not currently it would be trivial to add it though
[22:24] <plugwash> 2: again should be trivial to change the repo it pulls from
[22:24] <shiftplusone> yes, all of those things are quick and easy to fix
[22:26] <ali1234> whatever you do, please make sure it's easy to a) know what firmware i am running and b) get an arbitrary firmware version
[22:30] <shiftplusone> That's the plan. Out of curiosity though, what's the use case? Why do you need to jump between revisions that much?
[22:31] <scoofy> sometimes my X hangs up. why?
[22:31] <scoofy> unresponsive to anything. so i usually ssh into the box and kill -9 it
[22:32] <ali1234> i need a lot of bleeding edge stuff - gstreamer, gst-rtsp-server, gst-rpicamsrc, and the latter needs bleeding edge firmware - and with bleeding edge comes breakage
[22:32] <scoofy> what tcould be the reason for X hanging up
[22:32] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[22:32] <ali1234> breakage means going back to what i had previously to figure out what broke
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[22:34] <ali1234> gst-rtsp-server is still in debian NEW queue
[22:35] <ali1234> which means it will need gstreamer from stretch probably
[22:35] <shiftplusone> plugwash, by the way... reprepro.... is it just me or is there no simple way to move things from wheezy to jessie aside from including each and every .deb and .dsc then having some .deb files in directories separate from their .dsc's?
[22:36] <plugwash> reprepro copysrc <target distribution> <source distribution> <source package name>
[22:37] <shiftplusone> aha... must've missed than one.
[22:37] <plugwash> got an example of debs ending up in a different directory from their source packages? I don't think that should happen......
[22:38] <shiftplusone> does that grab the .debs as well?
[22:38] <shiftplusone> okay, I think I understand what the manpage is saying, nvrm.
[22:38] <shiftplusone> Thanks again.
[22:40] <shiftplusone> Re deb files in different directories... http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/p/
[22:41] <shiftplusone> I suspect at least some of those piface packages are built from the same source package.
[22:42] <shiftplusone> another example http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/w/webkit/. Surely those should be here http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/w/webkitgtk/
[22:42] <shiftplusone> well... they shouldn't be anywhere, since they're ancient and not in the packages list, but still.
[22:45] <plugwash> Re the piface ones I guess they were built from seperate source packages (or at least debianised source trees, whether they actually ever built the source packages is another matter)
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[22:47] <plugwash> the armel webkit ones you link to look to be in the right place to me and they are in the relavent packages file
[22:47] <plugwash> (which being armel packages is the armel packages file not the armhf packages file)
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[22:51] <shiftplusone> got disconnected after the message about armel packages being in the right place.
[22:52] <diederik> [00:47] <plugwash> (which being armel packages is the armel packages file not the armhf packages file)
[22:52] <shiftplusone> Well, that's good then. I was a little concerned about getting .debs and .dscs separately without a .changes file.
[22:52] <diederik> ^^ that's the only one you missed then
[22:53] <shiftplusone> thanks
[22:54] <plugwash> debian renamed the source package from webkit to webkitgtk between the version in wheezy and the version collabora messed with
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[22:55] <shiftplusone> heh, I was going down the list of packages the other day... so happy with how many of those just drop away with the move to jessie.
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[23:27] <scoofy> so... any idea why my X window ocassionally hangs up totally?
[23:27] <scoofy> requiring a kill -9 from ssh to kick it in the face?
[23:27] <anti> Corrupted sd?
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[23:42] <scoofy> anti: how can i test for that
[23:42] <scoofy> should i fsck?
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