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[1:36] <ShorTie> mornin Mr. plugwash
[1:37] <ShorTie> was thinking about updating xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo for jessie
[1:37] <ShorTie> right now it's called xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo_1.20131208-1_armhf.deb
[1:37] * plugwash looks at the clock, notices it's technically morning but doesn't like to think of it in those terms
[1:38] <ShorTie> what would be a good name for a jessie version ??
[1:39] <plugwash> hmm, good question, is there an upstream?
[1:39] <ShorTie> sorry, i always say mornin to someone the first time i talk to them each day
[1:39] <ShorTie> nop
[1:39] <plugwash> and what if anything do they say about versioning
[1:39] <ShorTie> it's a foundation package i believe
[1:40] <ShorTie> it just needs recompiled against the newer X
[1:40] <ShorTie> nothing changes
[1:41] <plugwash> Obviously you want the jessie name to be higher than the wheezy version, the questions are 1: how much higher and 2: how to avoid versioning conflicts with other people's packages
[1:42] <plugwash> ultimately there is no "right" answer to these things, especailly when the package isn't from Debian in the first place
[1:42] <ShorTie> would making it a -2 be good enough ??
[1:42] <plugwash> it would work but it risks confusion if the rpf also release a -2
[1:43] <ShorTie> ie: xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo_1.20131208-2_armhf.deb
[1:44] <ShorTie> whelp, i was trying to help them and us out by doing it for them
[1:44] <ShorTie> i personally don't need to do it just for me
[1:45] <plugwash> generally when modifying a package you got from somewhere else it's best to include your own "tag" in the version number to prevent confusion, e.g. if I was making such a package for my personal use i'd probablly use a version number like 1.20131208-1+plugwash1
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[1:48] <ShorTie> i trying to make something i could pass onto you to get into jessie to do my little part to help everyone out is all
[1:49] <ShorTie> for me, i could name it anything, lol.
[1:51] <ShorTie> i just got done with Arduino-ide-1.6.4 too if you want it, lol.
[1:51] <ShorTie> but that might be going a little far there
[1:52] <plugwash> have you tested that fbturbo works after being rebuilt against jessie's X?
[1:52] <magiz> there is no syslinux for raspbian ?
[1:52] <ShorTie> as far as i can tell it works
[1:53] <ShorTie> i could always pass it thru shiftplusone for any further testing if you want
[1:54] <ShorTie> we just don't know how to change the naming convention
[1:54] <ShorTie> <shiftplusone> yeah, that would be the straight forward way, but I wonder if there's a "correct way" (Debian tends to have those). The simple way has the drawback that the version number doesn't tell you anything usefult here.
[1:56] <plugwash> Well Debian has policies for what goes in it's own archive
[1:59] <plugwash> with the rule of thumb being that stuff uploaded through unstable in the normal way gets "plain" version numbers, stuff going through proposed-updates/security gets +deb?u? (or occasionally ~deb?u? tags if they decided to bring in the version from sid wholesale rather than backporting specific fixes) style tags, stuff that goes through the backports suite gets ~bpo? tags
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[2:01] <plugwash> For archives outside of Debian proper it's ultimatley up to whoever is operating the archive to define the conventions (and to try to do so in a way that minimises confusion both with Debian and with other third party archives)
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[2:07] <plugwash> It would be perfectly reasonable for example for the raspberry pi foundation to use +jessie in the version numbers of the packages they produce for jessie to make it more obvious which was which (though there is a need to be careful about sort order when doing that which is why Debian moved away from it to the more cryptic (at least if you are someone who follows debian releases by codenames rather than version numbers as most people in th
[2:07] <plugwash> e community seem to) but gauranteed to sort right +deb?u?
[2:07] <magiz> can someone tell how to get syslinux into raspbian ?
[2:10] <ShorTie> ya, he talked about +jessie too...
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[2:15] <ZestyB> so, how about that new PI 2, huh?
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[2:17] <plugwash> magiz, take it up with Debian, they only build the syslinux package for i386 and amd64
[2:19] <magiz> plugwash, ok im stuck then, how do i get a bootloader into a extracted iso
[2:20] <magiz> making a usb stick bootable with persistence
[2:21] <plugwash> not sure, you could perhaps download the syslinux i386 or amd64 deb from Debian and extract the files you need from it manually
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[2:28] <magiz> or make a second live stick which isnt persistent and install syslinux there , do what i need to do and move back to raspbian LOL
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[2:43] * ShorTie thinkz, i just saw that the other day, look in the like newest deb for it
[2:44] <ShorTie> that gpio checking package thing
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[2:47] <plugwash> any idea what the actual package name is?
[2:48] <plugwash> I see references in a few packages to a "Serge Schneider" do you know if that is him?
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[2:53] <plugwash> https://developer.mbed.org/users/ShiftPlusOne/ would seem to indicate that it is.......................................
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[6:54] <TG|OC|Kiwi> morning
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[7:00] <pmumble> mornin
[7:01] <TG|OC|Kiwi> all right guys?
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[7:16] <dexta> morning
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[7:41] <TG|OC|Kiwi> have a great day!
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[8:03] <hid3> Has anyone replaced OpenSSH with Dropbear?
[8:19] <TG|OC|Kiwi> not yet :)
[8:20] <TG|OC|Kiwi> what is the advantage of dropbear?
[8:20] <hid3> it seems that repositories contain way outdated Dropbear version while the vendor site does not provide *.deb for any architecture
[8:21] <hid3> probably lower memory consumption and more lightweight than openssh
[8:21] <TG|OC|Kiwi> ok
[8:21] <TG|OC|Kiwi> will cehck this
[8:23] <hid3> let me know if you find something interesting/useful
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[8:35] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
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[9:23] <TG|OC|Kiwi> just watched a bit and i don't see any reasons to change the running ssh server
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[10:12] <Earthnail> I'm looking for libavcodec55 on Raspbian. Any recommendations?
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[10:20] <zGrr> moin :)
[10:23] <scoofy> morn
[10:29] <zGrr> every night and every morn some to misery are born
[10:29] <zGrr> every morn and every night some are born to sweet delight.
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[11:16] <TG|OC|Kiwi> moin moin
[11:17] <TG|OC|Kiwi> has someone an insider tipp for me .. running a greatr android xmpp client? i tried astrachat, conversations and now i try trillian.. is there any "underground" stuff outside the universe of internet?
[11:18] <scoofy> android?
[11:19] <scoofy> pidgin is fine, runs on raspi, dont know if that runs on android
[11:21] <Odie_> xmmp for android? try xabber
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[11:33] <TG|OC|Kiwi> yes .. i'm running ejabberd on my pi and i'm looking for a nice client for my mobile phones :)
[11:34] <TG|OC|Kiwi> xabber looks awful ^^
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[12:25] <Earthnail> so I found that libavcodec lives in wheezy backports. Google wouldn't tell me how I get wheezy backports into Raspbian though. Is that supported? Is there an official or unofficial wheezy backports repo for Raspbian?
[12:25] <scoofy> are those backports compiled for armv6?
[12:25] <scoofy> or do you have a pi 2
[12:25] <Earthnail> nope, pi B and B+ only
[12:26] <scoofy> then you likely need to recompile it for arm v6
[12:26] <scoofy> official ones are armv7+, afaik
[12:26] <scoofy> i mean, debian repos
[12:26] <scoofy> the basically the only way is to recompile, as those wouldn't run on pi 1
[12:26] <scoofy> different chipset
[12:27] <Earthnail> ok
[12:27] <Earthnail> so there's no raspbian version of that repo then I assume. Well, the other option is to use jessie instead of wheezy, which contains libavcodec56 (not 55, but should work, too), but jessie will upgrade a shitton of other things, too.
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[12:28] <scoofy> afaik, no official raspi 1 supported debian repo
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[12:30] <scoofy> what are you trying to do with libavcodec?
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[12:33] <dumbGuy> Something weird is going on with my RPi
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[12:34] <dumbGuy> The GPIO pins go to 3V when high?
[12:34] <dumbGuy> *.
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[12:35] <dumbGuy> Any possible reason?
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[12:42] <ShorTie> sounds about normal to me
[12:43] <ShorTie> since a high gpio pin is 3.3vdc
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[13:10] <aibohphobia> Has the way that i2c works in recent Rasbian images different than older ones? It seems to not work for me at all since February.
[13:11] <shiftplusone> aibohphobia: yes
[13:11] <aibohphobia> Have activated it in raspi-config. But no joy.
[13:11] <shiftplusone> that should've worked
[13:12] <shiftplusone> how have you determined that it doesn't work?
[13:12] <shiftplusone> pastebin the following: /boot/config.txt, lsmod, /etc/modules
[13:12] <aibohphobia> Devices aren't working. And i2cdetect doesn't work (there's no entry in /dev)
[13:15] <aibohphobia> No mention of i2c in /etc/modules, lsmod mentions i2c_bcm2708 & config.txt has dtraram=i2c_arm=on
[13:17] <aibohphobia> sorry, dtparam not dtraram
[13:18] <aibohphobia> I may go back to a old version of raspian so I can have it sorted.
[13:18] <shiftplusone> you just don't lave i2c-dev loaded
[13:18] <shiftplusone> *have
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[13:22] <aibohphobia> Yep, that did it... Wonder why that not included in raspi-config? Thanks shiftplusone
[13:23] <shiftplusone> because i2c-dev is an optional thing
[13:24] <aibohphobia> Guessing that's a new change too. Don't remember having to activate it.
[13:25] <aibohphobia> Added to /etc/modules anyhow
[13:29] <aibohphobia> Am gonna run and get some lunch, many thanks though shiftplusone, it was driving me proper nuts!!!
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[13:30] <shiftplusone> np
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[16:30] <scoofy> shiftplusone: ok, rebooting fixed the kernel modules issue & nfs kernel server
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[16:31] <shiftplusone> that reboot took a while
[16:31] <shiftplusone> Is this the thing you were asking about like 2 weeks ago?
[16:33] <scoofy> a few days ago, yes
[16:33] <scoofy> sorry it took a bit long to reboot :)
[16:35] <scoofy> but it fixed / updated the kernel.
[16:36] <scoofy> and the kernel modules dependency.
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[17:04] <scoofy> how do i know, which init runlevel i am in? ps says "init [2]"
[17:04] <scoofy> does it mean i'm in runlevel 2?
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[17:05] <shiftplusone> scoofy: who -r
[17:06] <scoofy> thanks
[17:07] <scoofy> it says 2. so 'init [2]' in the process tree means the same?
[17:07] <shiftplusone> no idea
[17:07] <scoofy> who -r also says: "last=S". what does that mean?
[17:07] <scoofy> hm. there's also a command 'runlevel'
[17:07] <shiftplusone> not on my install
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[17:47] <linuxthefish> hi, why does Raspbian use old GCC? i can't compile any drivers!
[17:48] <linuxthefish> "arch/arm/kernel/asm-offsets.c:53:2: error: #error Your compiler is too buggy; it is known to miscompile kernels"
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[18:53] <pi_guy> Hi everyone. Having a strange issue, trying a direct connection from RPi to desktop via ethernet. The direct connection has no link. If I go through a switch everything works with the same cables. Any troubleshooting advice? It's a standard ethernet pinout...
[18:54] <scoofy> ever heard of crossling cable?
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[18:54] <scoofy> you need a diff. cable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable
[18:54] <shiftplusone> ^ wrong
[18:54] <shiftplusone> no need for crossover cable
[18:55] <scoofy> ?
[18:55] <shiftplusone> scoofy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface#Auto_MDI-X
[18:55] <shiftplusone> (and yes, the pi's NIC has that feature)
[18:56] <scoofy> okay.
[18:56] <pi_guy> Which is why it's strange that there's no link when directly connected but it works fine with a router :S
[18:56] <shiftplusone> have you configured it in any way? it won't "just work" automagically.
[18:56] <pi_guy> was wondering if maybe there's a need to force the crossover mode
[18:57] <pi_guy> right but when plugged in the link light doesn't light up, from both sides it appears that the cable isn't even plugged in
[18:58] <pi_guy> My googling hasn't turned up anything useful on configuring the mode, it's apparently supposed to happen automagically :)
[18:59] <shiftplusone> yeah, auto mdi-x just works, I meant have you set up routing, dns server, forwarding and so on.
[18:59] <shiftplusone> but if it doesn't even light up, yeah... that's strange
[19:00] <shiftplusone> I think... for all I know that might be 'normal'.
[19:03] <pi_guy> Weird. Well, maybe it's a cable/power issue. I'll try another shorter one and report back, if anyone has any suggestions in the interim it'd be appreciated. Thanks!
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[19:27] <papermate> Hi guys, I'm having some troubles with pinentry-curses, the gpg-agent. If I get into the pinentry shell and getpin I have this error: pinentry-curses: no LC_CTYPE known. If I grep locales LC-CTYPE is set to en_GB.UTF-8 though. Any idea?
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[20:13] <linuxthefish> does any of the archived images work with raspberry pi 1 b+ ?
[20:14] <scoofy> 'archived images' ?
[20:14] <scoofy> what do you mean
[20:15] <linuxthefish> like http://director.downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[20:15] <linuxthefish> i just tried this one and the power LED stays on red, no activity or ethernet
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[20:17] <scoofy> do you have a screen attached?
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[20:45] <pmumble> lala: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pitft-pibow
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[20:45] <pmumble> wrong channel
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[20:46] <Kroul> Hi there. I'm just starting with my pi and wanted to download raspbian. On the images page it says, an image is the easiest way to start. But I don't see any link to an official image.
[20:47] <Kroul> For the foundation images it says like "we don't control what's inside" and then there are the "unofficial" images.
[20:47] <Kroul> So where can I get an official raspbian image file?
[20:48] <scoofy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ ?
[20:49] <Kroul> Yes, but that's the "we don't control what's inside" image.
[20:49] <scoofy> well... unless you compile everything yourself, "you don't know what's inside"
[20:50] <Kroul> Well I won't know anyway ;-) but on the raspbian page, it says "However it should be remembered that this image is created by the raspberry Pi foundation not the Raspbian project and as such we don't control what is in it."
[20:50] <Kroul> I'm looking for an image that is created from raspbian
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[20:51] <scoofy> where does it write "we don't control what's inside" ?
[20:51] <Kroul> Maybe that's a foolish question? But I thought a software project page would provide its own software somehow
[20:51] <scoofy> "Official images for recommended Operating Systems are available to download from the Raspberry Pi website: raspberrypi.org/downloads"
[20:51] <scoofy> that's the 'official' one
[20:52] <scoofy> isn't that official enough?
[20:53] <Kroul> Well in some way it is. I just thought there would be an image directly from the raspbian project.
[20:53] <scoofy> isn't that one?
[20:54] <scoofy> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[20:54] <Kroul> It doesn't sound like it is.
[20:54] <Kroul> Maybe I'm just confused.
[20:55] <scoofy> sorry
[20:55] <scoofy> what is your concern?
[20:55] <scoofy> unless you compile every single thing yourself, you cannot be sure what's in an image
[20:56] <Kroul> I won't know what's inside anyway, I'm too new ;-)
[20:56] <scoofy> yep. wherever you get your image from, it's just an image, you won't "see" what's in it...
[20:56] <vagrantc> raspbian doesn't actually produce an image, it just produces packages
[20:57] <Kroul> I see.
[20:57] <vagrantc> if you want to create an image yourself, you can use debootstrp
[20:57] <vagrantc> debootstrap
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[20:58] <vagrantc> or qemu-debootstrap
[20:58] <vagrantc> and manually create the image...
[20:58] <vagrantc> there's also https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/
[20:58] <vagrantc> which can be used to install a bare-bones raspbian
[20:59] <Kroul> Well, I think I'll start with the raspberry foundation image.
[20:59] <scoofy> that sounds like a good start for beginners.
[20:59] <Kroul> Just thought I missed some important download link on the project page itself.
[21:00] <Kroul> So, let's start that adventure ;-)
[21:00] <Kroul> Thank you for your help
[21:01] <vagrantc> good luck!
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[21:02] <scoofy> is there a reason why sysv-rc-conf would run excessively slow on a raspi?
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[21:03] <scoofy> also, what alternative config tool do you use (if any) to configure init scripts?
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[21:41] <olmari> now a blatant "advertisment" for GPLed raspi PoE board from indiegogo https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raspoe-raspberry-pi-poe-shield/x/10915875#/story
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[22:47] <anunnaki> hello im havent used debian much in the past, but i get these messages which looks like lots of things arent behaving.. also i dont even have tvheadend installed.. http://pastebin.com/QdvrizAr
[22:48] <anunnaki> can anyone shed some light on what i need to do make the package manager happy again?
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[23:02] <scoofy> anunnaki: looks like some messed up dpkg
[23:02] <scoofy> maybe remove/reinstall phonon?
[23:03] <scoofy> apt-get reinstall phonon
[23:03] <scoofy> apt-get remove --purge phonon
[23:03] <scoofy> etc.
[23:03] <scoofy> i meant, apt-get install --reinstall phonon
[23:04] <scoofy> the other stuff look messed so not sure
[23:08] <scoofy> init script dependency chain looks broken
[23:25] <anunnaki> scoofy: well seems phonon is fine.. i was just checking to see if i had it installed for my minitube app.. so phonon wouldnt be causing those messages right.. as you said it migh be the init script?
[23:26] <anunnaki> ugh i hope its nothing serious. id hate to have to reinstall raspbian
[23:26] <anunnaki> im been having bad luck with OS on my pi B+ for some reason.. raspbian so far is the only one that installed without issues in the beginning.
[23:28] <anunnaki> and whats with the tvheadend popping up in there? i thought i removed it.. i didn purge it though
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[23:40] <anunnaki> and you know what sucks.. theres all thse forums about how you can put root on a usb drive as long as boot is on the sd card... it didnt work out for me.. had some odd issues with it being on the usb drive.. tried two different thumb drives and an actual external usb drive.. which wouldnt even boot on the external. i was thinking it was due to it being and IDE drive
[23:40] <anunnaki> but drives one mad that everyone else was able to do it without any issues
[23:40] <anunnaki> so i had to buy a bigger sd card
[23:52] <scoofy> anunnaki: i have no idea about tvheadend
[23:52] <scoofy> but that the logs says, is something was trying to update your init scripts
[23:52] <scoofy> that is, scripts that determine what things run at boot
[23:52] <scoofy> and somehow there was a feedback loop, so that A depends on B but B depends on A
[23:53] <scoofy> which is an error, so dpkg didn't do that change
[23:53] <scoofy> what caused it, and why, i don't know
[23:53] <scoofy> insserv is the program checking the dependencies of scripts
[23:53] <scoofy> if you check /etc/init.d/* , each script has a header comment section that tells what it depends on
[23:56] <scoofy> how to fix this, i'm not sure, i'm not that good at init scripts
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