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[0:19] <ace_> how can I download the raspbian project for develop?
[0:20] <ace_> I am searching in raspbian.org but I only can see list of raspbian-devel
[0:21] <shiftplusone> develop what?
[0:22] <shiftplusone> raspbian is a collection of many different things, managed in different ways.
[0:22] <ace_> a raspbian-like OS
[0:22] <shiftplusone> well, mirror the repo and off you go.
[0:22] <shiftplusone> maybe all you want to do is create your own custom image of raspbian?
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[0:23] <ace_> yes but I want to modify code and add function if its possible
[0:24] <shiftplusone> code of what?
[0:24] <ace_> boot
[0:24] <shiftplusone> sorry, I think you have some reading up to do.
[0:24] <ace_> sorry my english is too bad
[0:24] <shiftplusone> English seems okay, it just seems like you don't really know what you want.
[0:25] <ace_> I want to create my own OS
[0:25] <ace_> based in Raspbian
[0:25] <methuzla> ace_ raspbian is linux, it's a very complex OS, not a simple matter to just "modify" it
[0:26] <ace_> I want to work in drivers apps etc
[0:26] <shiftplusone> then do that
[0:26] <shiftplusone> but depending on what EXACTLY you want to do, you will need to download a different thing and modify it in different ways, then release it in different ways.
[0:27] <ace_> ok
[0:27] <ace_> I understand
[0:28] <shiftplusone> what the raspberry pi foundation does is take raspbian, add their own repo (with the packages they want to modify) and create a pre-configured image with the things they want pre-installed.
[0:30] <ace_> how could I begin?
[0:30] <shiftplusone> again, depends on exactly what you want to accomplish
[0:31] <methuzla> ace_ do you really want to make an OS? or just drivers and apps?
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[0:31] <shiftplusone> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ is a must if you want to modify packages.
[0:31] <ace_> I would like to begin with a raspbian and modify/add/del function, drivers etc
[0:31] <ace_> methuzla, make an OS
[0:31] <shiftplusone> LDD3 (google) if you want to modify kernel
[0:32] <ace_> I want to learn
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[0:32] <shiftplusone> spindle source code if you want to learn how the official image is made https://github.com/RPi-Distro/spindle
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[0:33] <methuzla> ace_ don't start with linux then, start much simpler
[0:33] * shiftplusone is tempted to point to 'Linux From Scratch'
[0:34] <ace_> shiftplusone, thank you very much :)
[0:34] <methuzla> i'm thinking like ucos or similar
[0:34] <ace_> methuzla, I saw minix3 but not works in rpi
[0:34] <shiftplusone> methuzla: is that the rtos that google spits out?
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[0:36] <methuzla> ucos is MicroC OS, a very simple rtos
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[0:37] <shiftplusone> well... if you take 'make an os' literally, maybe. But I think he's just talking about a custom linux distro. Even if you plan to work on the linux kernel, you only need to know C and how to read the documentation... there's very little actual hardware poking.
[0:38] <shiftplusone> let alone worrying about implementation details of fancy OS features
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[0:40] <methuzla> i guess i'm assuming "make an OS" = make an OS!
[0:41] <shiftplusone> madness
[0:42] <methuzla> at the linux level of complexity, yes.
[0:43] <shiftplusone> In that case, https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ http://wiki.osdev.org/Main_Page https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/raw/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2835/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/raw/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2836/QA7_rev3.4.pdf
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[0:44] <shiftplusone> also anything by people like dwelch, dexos guy, peter lemon and so on
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[0:52] <methuzla> ace_ so what are you after? learning how an OS works under the hood? or just make linux distro?
[0:53] <ace_> to learn how its works
[0:54] <ace_> I want to begin modify it
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[0:56] <ace_> but after I want to deepen
[0:57] <shiftplusone> In over your head a little.
[0:57] <methuzla> ace_ i'd go the other way, start dead simple, then add complexity
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[0:57] <ace_> therefore I wanted to download raspbian project. I thought that It was possible
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> it is... just not all at once
[0:58] <shiftplusone> unless you break into pluwash's house and steal all his equipment
[0:58] <ace_> :(
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[1:01] <shiftplusone> having a clear goal could help... 'I want to add feature blah' is a good starting point
[1:01] <ace_> I am reading that Debian Jessy run in rpi 2
[1:01] <ace_> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
[1:02] <ace_> shiftplusone, I would like to built a security OS for rpi
[1:02] <methuzla> ace_ read up on basic OS concepts: scheduler, context switching, IPC mechanisms, etc.
[1:02] <ace_> I read thats in a Tannenbaum book
[1:03] <methuzla> good start
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[1:04] <methuzla> next step would be to implement a VERY simple OS, nothing near as complex as linux
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[1:04] <ace_> I'm happy debian jessy run in rpi 2
[1:05] <ace_> I think that will facilitate the work
[1:06] <ace_> methuzla, I want to audit all minix3 when Minix will run in rpi
[1:06] <ace_> minix is little
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[6:06] <zGrr> moin :)
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[7:05] <Guest64352> Hi, I have question, when I download the Linux source from www.kernel.org, , does it has all the raspberry pi supported drivers code or we need to develop the drivers code.
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[7:06] <shiftplusone> somewhere in between
[7:07] <shiftplusone> more towards the end of having everything you need.
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[7:07] <shiftplusone> but I haven't had the need to run the upstream kernel
[7:08] <Guest64352> so you mean to say, we don't need to develop the drivers code when we get the kernel from kernel.org ?
[7:09] <shiftplusone> nope
[7:09] <shiftplusone> well... no you don't need to. yes, that's what I mean.
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[7:11] <Guest64352> well, so all drivers code is available readymade in kernel, in that case where can i find the drivers source code for all raspberry pi peripherals. suppose if i wanto make some changes for sdcard driver, where can i find
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[7:12] <shiftplusone> all the upstream pi stuff is usually called bcm2835* or bcm2836*
[7:12] <shiftplusone> (we use bcm2708/bcm2709)
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[7:13] <shiftplusone> for example, https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci-bcm2835.c
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[7:19] <Guest64352> :shiftplusone, wes there any particular directory, where all peripherals drivers code available ?
[7:21] <shiftplusone> No, sticking everything like that in one location is a no-no.
[7:21] <shiftplusone> If another chip comes out using the same peripheral, you can specify that in device tree and it will 'just work', without having to duplicate code.
[7:21] <shiftplusone> So whatever driver you want to modify will belong in the place where the rest of the drivers for that type of peripheral are
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[7:25] <Guest64352> ok, when i see in linux/drivers/mmc/host, there are so many files available , all these are sd card drivers code ?
[7:26] <shiftplusone> they're all mmc hosts
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[7:29] <Guest64352> means for differenet kind of boards like rasp?
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[7:31] <shiftplusone> doesn't have to be like pi at all
[7:32] <shiftplusone> can be for normal PCI or usb devices you'd plug into a normal PC
[7:32] <Guest64352> ok, i see sdhci-s3c.c file also whats that ?
[7:33] <shiftplusone> S3C SDHCI platform specific driver
[7:33] <shiftplusone> some samsung thing
[7:33] <shiftplusone> ...you're not going down the list of all the files asking what they are, right?
[7:34] <Guest64352> hmmm. i got it now thanks alot shiftplusone
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[7:43] <Guest64352> so i can find all the drivers source in /linux/drivers path , right shiftplusone ?
[7:43] <shiftplusone> yup
[7:43] <shiftplusone> and the really platform specific under arch/arm/mach-
[7:44] <shiftplusone> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/arm/mach-bcm by the looks of it
[7:44] <Guest64352> perfect
[7:50] <Guest64352> was there any necessity to modify the platform specific drivers code under under arch/arm/mach- ?
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[7:52] <shiftplusone> when?
[7:52] <shiftplusone> things are modified all the time
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[8:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[8:10] <shiftplusone> hey
[8:10] <lordievader> Hey shiftplusone, how are you doing?
[8:11] <shiftplusone> a bit tired... was at the office overnight for some reason. Yourself?
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[8:14] <lordievader> Bit tired here too. Fixed some problems with my server late at night.
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[9:29] <pl7ofit> hello all, i can get answer here if ask about banana pi?
[9:30] <pl7ofit> but biggest ask about armhf and xserver
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[9:33] <pl7ofit> my trouble witch xserver and mali driver http://pastebin.com/F9Z5aQi0
[9:36] <pl7ofit> i compile and install mali, but xserver say "I NOT FEEL MALI, GET ME LIMA!" help me plz
[9:39] <pl7ofit> мой английский совсем плох?
[9:40] <shiftplusone> pl7ofit: your egnlish is fine, I just don't think many people here are interested in banana pi or know the specifics of what it needs.
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[9:49] <pl7ofit> shiftplusone, thx for answer, if i install nvidia driver and xserver say:" EE nouveau driver not found", how to fix it?
[9:49] <shiftplusone> why would you install nvidia driver on banana pi?
[9:49] <pl7ofit> this is simple
[9:51] <pl7ofit> no i not install nvidia on banana, this analog primer slova zakonchilis'
[9:52] <shiftplusone> haven't had to fiddle with X for a long time, so don't know off the top of my head.
[9:53] <lordievader> pl7ofit: Do you have an xorg.conf?
[9:53] <pl7ofit> <shiftplusone>, thx
[9:53] <pl7ofit> lordievader, yes
[9:53] <shiftplusone> but I believe nouveau is the reverse engineered alternative to nvidia's driver, so if you install nvidia driver and X is configured for nouveau, you'll have some trouble.
[9:54] <pl7ofit> lordievader http://pastebin.com/XYeKGjnu
[9:54] <lordievader> Hmm, that doesn't specify Nouveau... wonder why it wants it.
[9:55] <pl7ofit> shiftplusone, i know, but this only example with my trouble
[9:56] <shiftplusone> could you pastebin the log?
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[9:56] <DexterF> hi
[9:56] <shiftplusone> but... that looks like a bpi xorg config...
[9:56] <shiftplusone> I'm confused and will get back to doing whatever it is I do
[9:57] <DexterF> I installed the ua-netinstaller, worked ok, but now on reboot gets no IP from the dhcp. ifconfig only shows loopback. does the minimal install from netinstaller not configure ethernet at all?
[9:58] <pl7ofit> <shiftplusone>, my trouble with banana pi + xorg + mali driver, and nouveau and nvidia only for exemple
[9:58] <shiftplusone> DexterF: it does
[9:59] <pl7ofit> shiftplusone, http://pastebin.com/iizMAnZs this xorg log
[10:01] <lordievader> pl7ofit: I don't see any problems? Nor any mention of Nouveau/Nvidia?
[10:01] <shiftplusone> ok, so it's expecting a lima_dri.so
[10:01] <shiftplusone> could use apt-file to find it
[10:02] <DexterF> well, bugger. what's wrong with the net then.
[10:03] <lordievader> DexterF: Does 'ip l' show it?
[10:04] <DexterF> what's the module name of the Pi's network pport?
[10:04] <DexterF> lordievader: heh. it shows one eth1.
[10:04] <shiftplusone> DexterF: so you've used the card in another pi?
[10:05] <shiftplusone> that seems like persistent interface naming. So it saw that you have a different mac address and added an eth1, which isn't configured?
[10:05] <pl7ofit> shiftplusone, this is non stable open source driver, this driver is not in repos, this driver is not compiled
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[10:05] <lordievader> DexterF: I agree with shiftplusone's reasoning.
[10:06] <DexterF> how do I get rid of it?
[10:06] <shiftplusone> iirc, it adds a udev rule
[10:06] <shiftplusone> so look under /etc/udev....something or other..
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[10:07] <lordievader> DexterF: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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[10:13] <shiftplusone> the exit button is located at the power point
[10:14] <DexterF> network's up, thanks
[10:15] <DexterF> that's what you get for trasnfering sd cards from one pi to another
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[11:04] <awrelll> hello guys
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[11:05] <lordievader> o/
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[12:41] <testdrive> hi
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[13:05] <testdrive_> after upgrade raspbian from wheezy to jessie i can't login via ssh, prompt me for username and freeze when i pressed enter key
[13:06] <testdrive_> can i do something without connecting raspi via hdmi?
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[13:41] <lordievader> testdrive_: What is the output of 'ssh -v user@pi'?
[13:45] <testdrive_> wait a sec
[13:48] <DexterF> in order to be able to ping a raspbian machine from windows, what do I have to do to make it known to the windows network?
[13:48] <DexterF> I set the hostname, but cannot ping it by that
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[13:50] <lordievader> DexterF: It's ip? Is the pi in the same subnet?
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[13:50] <DexterF> lordievader: it is
[13:50] <lordievader> DexterF: Do you know the pi's ip?
[13:50] <lordievader> And can you ping it?
[13:50] <DexterF> yes
[13:50] <DexterF> yes.
[13:52] <lordievader> DexterF: So what is the problem?
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[13:54] <DexterF_> lordievader: got disconnected, sorry
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[13:57] <lordievader> DexterF_: I asked what the problem was.
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[14:06] <DexterF_> pi on same subnet, dhcp, cannot ping by hostname but by ip, what am I missing
[14:07] <lordievader> Do you have a dns resolving the hostname to an ip?
[14:07] <lordievader> If not... that ;)
[14:08] <DexterF_> should come with dhcp
[14:09] <lordievader> Dchp does not do hostname resolution.
[14:09] <lordievader> It offers a dns server. But does that dns server resolve the hostnames you give it.
[14:09] <DexterF_> ah, was thinking in windows terms
[14:10] <DexterF_> then again, thats what the ms dns should do when its dhcp leases ips
[14:10] <DexterF_> whoa, wait. works now.
[14:11] <DexterF_> no idea why.
[14:11] <DexterF_> I blame windows server.
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[14:15] <testdrive> well
[14:15] <testdrive> ssh -v pi@192.168.20.104 gives me
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[14:17] <lordievader> testdrive: Please use pastebin or something, do not paste the output in this channel directly.
[14:24] <testdrive> ok, sry
[14:24] <testdrive> http://pastebin.com/EzUFTK7E
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[14:27] <testdrive> and it freeze
[14:27] <testdrive> after ~1m connection is closed
[14:27] <lordievader> testdrive: That last step can take a while.
[14:28] <lordievader> Hmm, check the syslog and the auth log on the pi.
[14:29] <testdrive> how when i dont have hdmi cable right now?
[14:30] <testdrive> have i can get into filesystem of the pi reading sd card?
[14:30] <testdrive> can i
[14:31] <lordievader> Yes, you can. Though it would be more usefull to have it on and running. Hmm not having an hdmi cable is annoying.
[14:32] <testdrive> yeah, i now.
[14:34] <testdrive> i didn't take
[14:40] <ShorTie> when upgrading to jessie, what did you answer to the ssh login question ??
[14:40] <ShorTie> if no, then you most likely need the ssh hack
[14:40] <testdrive> yes
[14:40] <testdrive> i answer no
[14:41] <lordievader> The question of not allowing root login?
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[14:41] <testdrive> i choosed "no"
[14:42] <testdrive> no for disable
[14:42] <lordievader> Are you trying to login as root?
[14:43] <testdrive> no, as user pi
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[14:48] <testdrive> i'll connect raspi via hdmi when i come back to home
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[14:49] <John-D> Hi Friends, Please suggest a good usb cam for pi 2.
[14:50] <testdrive> thanks for time lordievader
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[20:12] <marco_> buonasera a tutti
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[21:33] <COdingFree> hi guys. Would you know if a Sandisk microSD ultra HC class 10 (16 GB) can be used with Raspbian?
[21:34] <TheLostAdmin> I'm going to say "maybe". I'm using a Sandisk class 10 16GB but I can't swear it is that exact card.
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[21:36] <COdingFree> glups :S
[21:37] <COdingFree> this page says that is okay: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[21:37] <COdingFree> but despite I have formatted and loaded Raspbian, my rpi doesn't seem to load it
[21:39] <TheLostAdmin> Did you use an appropriate copy tool to write the image file onto the card?
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[21:44] <COdingFree> w32 disk imager
[21:44] <COdingFree> I'm considering to use dd
[21:45] <TheLostAdmin> dd definitely works. That's what I used (on my iMac) to put the .img file on the SD card for my Pi.
[21:46] <TheLostAdmin> I forget the exact name, but I think w32 disk images is the right one for windows. (it sounds familiar).
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[21:48] <TheLostAdmin> COdingFree, after you've written the raspbian .img file to the SD card, you should be able to plug it into a windows computer and see a small FAT formatted filesystem with a few files on it (including one called "config.txt").
[21:49] <COdingFree> yes, i think so
[21:50] <TheLostAdmin> If you've confirmed that, then it should just be a matter of putting the SD card into the Raspberry Pi, plugging in keyboard and monitor (for the first boot) and plugging in power.
[21:50] <TheLostAdmin> That should get you to the Raspbian setup screen.
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[21:51] <COdingFree> sadly, it doesn't seem to work, that is why I was thinking about the sd card :'(
[21:52] <COdingFree> let me try it again
[21:52] <TheLostAdmin> I just shutdown my Pi. I'll check the exact SD card I have (since it's close to yours).
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[21:54] <TheLostAdmin> I have a "SandDisk Ultra Plus" 16GB MicroSD HC I (class 10). Which appears to be this one -> http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/sandisk-sandisk-ultra-plus-16gb-microsdhc-microsdxc-uhs-i-memory-card-sdsdquip-016g-cb46-sdsdquip-016g-cb46/10321741.aspx?cmp=pla-cell_phone_accessories
[21:55] <TheLostAdmin> Works without a hitch.
[21:56] <TheLostAdmin> Do make sure that the card is inserted all the way in on the Pi. The microSD slot has a spring to push it back out and it's got to go all the way in or it won't read properly.
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[22:00] <COdingFree> it is the same card :O
[22:01] <TheLostAdmin> So, if your card isn't faulty. It's not the card. That's good.
[22:01] <COdingFree> well, I think it is ready: http://i.imgur.com/5HtCmzn.png
[22:02] <TheLostAdmin> Yes. That is what the fat filesystem should look like.
[22:03] <COdingFree> and... only the PWR led brights
[22:03] <COdingFree> I'm going to use another adapter
[22:04] <TheLostAdmin> I only have 1 (red) light on with my Pi running.
[22:04] <TheLostAdmin> Do you have a screen plugged in to the HDMI port?
[22:04] <COdingFree> nope, not right now, because the only screen is a TV and...
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[22:05] <COdingFree> but I have a TP Link wifi adapter
[22:05] <COdingFree> that should blink
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[22:07] <TheLostAdmin> Ah. Okay. The first time you boot the Pi with the Raspbian .img installed, it runs an installer program. You need a monitor (or TV) attached to the HDMI interface so you can answer a few questions for it.
[22:08] <COdingFree> oh, I see, and I guess that there is not any way to use my laptop as a HDMI screen
[22:08] <COdingFree> or so
[22:08] <COdingFree> or I guess that I can't use the LAN to set up the rpi
[22:09] <TheLostAdmin> right.
[22:09] <TheLostAdmin> At least, I don't know of a way.
[22:09] <TheLostAdmin> a TV with an HDMI port works fine (that what I used).
[22:09] <COdingFree> sa/me sighs
[22:09] * COdingFree sighs
[22:09] <TheLostAdmin> You also need a keyboard connected to one of the USB ports.
[22:09] <TheLostAdmin> You don't need a mouse for the setup.
[22:09] <COdingFree> at least, it is not because of the card :D
[22:10] <TheLostAdmin> Yes.
[22:11] <COdingFree> well, I'm going to steal the tv, wish me luck xD
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[22:16] <haruspex> hi .. where can i toggle the option to make raspbian load the x server after boot.up ?
[22:19] <Encapsulation> the pi has graphics? xP
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[22:27] <TheLostAdmin> haruspex, raspi-config has an option, I believe.
[22:27] <haruspex> ok thx
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[22:27] <haruspex> becaus i just bought an TFT touchscreen for the raspi
[22:29] <ShorTie> you can use the lan to setup the pi, it even bugs/tells you about raspi-config till you run it
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[23:46] <ace_> anybody can help me? My rpi boot the rootfs in read-only
[23:48] <ace_> fstab is empty
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