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[1:24] <ElectricCrowbar> Stupid question but where is the source for Raspbian ? buildroot, scripts, yadda yadda
[1:32] <jakllsch> well, i'm guessing it's somewhat like debian, you can debootstrap a installation. no idea where to find the things that build the debs.
[1:36] <plugwash> ElectricCrowbar, not a question with a simple answer
[1:36] <ElectricCrowbar> I'm seeing that
[1:36] <ElectricCrowbar> ex. https://github.com/RPi-Distro/nightly
[1:38] <ElectricCrowbar> surprised the build process isn't documented :-/
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[1:39] <plugwash> The key thing to understand about raspbian is it's run far more like a desktop distro than an embedded distro
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[1:41] <plugwash> Afaict with many embedded distros it's common to have a single process that goes all the way from source code to the final image.
[1:42] <ElectricCrowbar> Are there any docs on the process ?
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[1:43] <plugwash> Desktop distros on the other hand tend to be far more repository centric and iteratively developed, when a new version of a package comes along it gets built and put in the repo. People then build images from the repo.
[1:47] <plugwash> Building a new version of an individual package is easy but rebuilding the entire repo is extremely difficult due to dependency loops. When we had to do it at the beginning of the raspbian project it was a highly manual process.
[1:49] <ElectricCrowbar> So how is it built now ?
[1:49] <ElectricCrowbar> Thanks for the help btw
[1:50] <ElectricCrowbar> I'm probably not going to get to picking it apart for a while
[1:50] <ElectricCrowbar> I'm currently working on a Chef cookbook for RetroPi
[1:50] <ElectricCrowbar> Thought it would be helpful to see raspian build process tho
[1:51] <plugwash> It happens in an iterative manner, reprepro imports new versions of Packages from Debian, wanna-build works out what packages need to be compiled and buildds running on arm boards do the actual building.
[1:52] <plugwash> then the binaries are uploaded by the buildds and go into the repo
[1:53] <ElectricCrowbar> Does wana build also build the rootfs ?
[1:55] <plugwash> No, root filesystems are built from a repo using a tool called "debootstrap" (there is also an alternative implementation called "cdebootstrap" that is sometimes used)
[1:57] <ElectricCrowbar> I suppose I have some reading to do
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[2:00] <ShorTie> RPi-Distro/nightly build process is documented, it's called spindle
[2:01] <ShorTie> but it is only up to and including step 3
[2:01] <ShorTie> where full raspbian is all 5 steps
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[2:02] <plugwash> ShorTie, right but that only tells you how the image is built from the repo
[2:02] <plugwash> not where the stuff in the repo comes from
[2:02] <ShorTie> true
[2:03] <ShorTie> but since he ex: it, i figured that was what he was talking about
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[3:23] <fred1807> testing from cmd line, my rc.local does the job (bash /etc/rc.local) . But on real Boot process: Everything works... but the sync script (a sync job using python's boto-rsync)... Why is that?
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[3:29] <plugwash> probablly running before network is fully up
[3:33] <fred1807> hmm, but I tought rc.local was the last guy
[3:33] <fred1807> how can I make it run after everybody?
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[3:34] <plugwash> not sure if there is any good way to do it. The problem is the boot proccess sets off the networking but depending on the network configuration it may not wait for it
[3:34] <plugwash> anyway I need to get to bed
[3:34] <q-bert> http://i.imgur.com/XCeGgkD.png <- im using putty with UTF8 and irssi. I can't see accented characters or asian characters
[3:35] <q-bert> they work fine in other programs like Word, Firefox, even in Putty when i connect to x86 linux systems ...
[3:36] <q-bert> http://i.imgur.com/m40LTKM.png is an example of how it should be looking
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[4:21] <fred1807> Why I see these messagens on boot: activatin swap....done and activiatin swapfile.... done ? If I dont have swap file, or any swap file packages installed as far as I know
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[9:51] <poio> hi, Is it hard to get a 3g modem working?
[9:51] <poio> any specific model recommendation?
[9:52] <ShorTie> 1 that has linux drivers would be nice
[9:53] <poio> seems reasonable
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[10:38] <venkat> Hi shiftplusone how are you today ?
[10:39] <shiftplusone> I'm alright, yourself?
[10:39] <venkat> thats great. im doing good too.
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[10:48] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:48] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[10:49] <lordievader> Hey shiftplusone, how are you doing?
[10:50] <shiftplusone> =P <shiftplusone> I'm alright, yourself?
[10:51] <lordievader> Ah ;) I'm doing allright.
[10:52] <venkat> hey i have general question, i see net directory under /linux/net and as well as linux/drivers/net, can you please differenciate
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[10:57] <shiftplusone> If I had to guess, I'd say net contains the network stack and all the underlying stuff that needs, then drivers/net has all the things to support the various bit of hardware.
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[11:00] <venkat> same thing i see for block also
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[12:07] <MAV2015> hi all
[12:08] <MAV2015> anybody alive ?
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[12:08] <shiftplusone> nobody
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[12:10] <MAV2015> Is there any manual of cross compiling kernel modules for Raspbian from Ububtu?
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[12:10] <shiftplusone> I haven't seen any good ones lately
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[12:12] <MAV2015> Does compiling kernel module from Raspbian for Raspbian works ok then?
[12:12] <scoofy> should work, i guess
[12:13] <shiftplusone> if you know what you're doing, but nobody does.
[12:13] <shiftplusone> easier to compile the whole kernel and copy the module
[12:15] <MAV2015> what do you mean? Do I need to compile the whole kernel with module built in?
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[13:00] <hannah> hi all, i am new to this, how can i get my linux mint to talk to my pi?
[13:01] <scoofy> what to you want to say to it?
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[13:02] <hannah> well what i am trying to do is put my pi next to my projector which is on the roof of my living room, and basicly remotely control it from my base pc,
[13:03] <scoofy> ok. how do you plan to commincate with it?
[13:03] <scoofy> do you have some software that controls the projector?
[13:05] <hannah> at the moment i got a network cable next to the projector, but the projector is currnely connected to my sky box using a HDMI cable
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[13:07] <shiftplusone> the answer is most likely to be ssh or netcat, but the question is a little to vague right now.
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[13:09] <scoofy> hannah: you have various options
[13:09] <scoofy> ssh, vnc server, ...
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[13:12] <hannah> umm ok, thank you, i manage to get my linux mint to ping the pi, if i connect the pi with a mouse i can get the pi to look at my music folder from the pc, but it keeps asking for a password, and i enter the password but still wont play the file,
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[13:17] <at0m|c> hannah: try copying a file first. it's often easier to authenticate in your file browser than using a player for that
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[13:26] <hannah> ok i got a new problem, how can i reset the pi back to the start? it keeps asking for a password but i never set up a password
[13:26] <scoofy> reflash sd card
[13:26] <scoofy> and lose your data
[13:27] <scoofy> or maybe there's some default password
[13:27] <hannah> i thought you would say that,
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[13:29] <scoofy> what else did you expect? linux is not something that comes with a 'reset' button
[13:30] <scoofy> try password "raspberry"
[13:30] <shiftplusone> did you try the password 'raspberry'?
[13:30] <shiftplusone> what he said
[13:31] <scoofy> if that doesn't work, you can hack the bootloader
[13:31] <scoofy> but for that, some skills are needed
[13:31] <hannah> scoofy i am new to the pi, lol infact i am new to linux mint too,
[13:32] <scoofy> okay, then just try password "raspberry"
[13:32] <hannah> ok i just tryed that still no luck, i think i am just going to reload the os again,
[13:33] <scoofy> maybe, set up some password at the config screenj
[13:33] <scoofy> next time
[13:34] <hannah> thaqts what i am now thinking, if i reset everything, then at least its a start
[13:34] <scoofy> which user did you try?
[13:34] <scoofy> user: pi, default pass: raspberry
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[13:35] <hannah> i tryed that and still no luck, see my boyfriend tryed to connect it up with our new internet hub so perhaps he did somthing, lol
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[13:35] <scoofy> maybe.
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[13:36] <hannah> lol umm ok, but thank you for your time,
[13:36] <scoofy> maybe, ask your boyfriend if he set up a password.
[13:38] <hannah> to be honest i did ask him last night but he couldnt remeber, lol
[13:39] <scoofy> replace boyfriend
[13:39] <scoofy> and try again
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[13:40] <shiftplusone> If that was my boyfriend, I'd definitely dump him.
[13:40] <shiftplusone> Mostly because I'm straight, but still.
[13:42] <hannah> lol i agree, time for a new boyfriend, lol am i the only women in this group?
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[13:42] <shiftplusone> Nope
[13:43] <shiftplusone> it's a bit hard to tell how many women are actually on IRC because many choose not to mention it since it usually results in extra attention, often not the good kind.
[13:43] <hannah> lol i am going crazzy, the so called boyfriend has taken the card reader to work, lol
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[13:51] <hannah> ok thank you all, i am going to log off and go and buy a new card reader, see you all soon, thank you again,
[13:51] <scoofy> np. see ya
[13:53] <hannah> see ya xxx hannah xxx
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[18:07] <marmotworks> howdy
[18:14] <H4ndy> cheers
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[19:03] <q-bert> has anyone else had problems displaying asian characters in raspbian ?
[19:06] <squirrel> q-bert: いいえ
[19:06] <squirrel> worked out of the box for me
[19:08] <q-bert> squirrel: it's very odd
[19:08] <q-bert> i'm sad to say im about to give up and consider starting over with a new image
[19:08] <q-bert> even though i've configured this raspian thoroughly
[19:09] <q-bert> i powered up an old raspi last night to test, and it works *fine* on there
[19:09] <squirrel> set every locale to utf-8 if it's not and make sure your apps use appropriate versions of the curses libraries
[19:09] <q-bert> but that image is super old, im not even sure if it's raspian
[19:09] <q-bert> yeah utf8
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[19:09] <q-bert> it's just a putty session to my raspberry pi
[19:09] <q-bert> it doesnt work in the terminal, or in screen, or in irssi inside of a screen
[19:10] <q-bert> here's the issue.txt of the raspberry pi it *does* work on
[19:10] <q-bert> aspberry Pi reference 2012-08-16 (armhf)
[19:10] <q-bert> Generated using spindle, http://asbradbury.org/projects/spindle/, f85b818, stage4-lxde-edu.qed
[19:10] <q-bert> my newer raspian doesnt have an issue.txt so i dunno if this older one is even running official raspbian
[19:10] <q-bert> it may not be
[19:11] <squirrel> (no idea what issue.txt is, but tmux & weechat = ftw)
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[19:12] <q-bert> squirrel: then issue.txt is not raspbian
[19:12] <q-bert> and this image is some old hackjob i got when i was starting out with raspis
[19:12] <q-bert> anyway, it works on there :D
[19:13] <q-bert> maybe i can just backup my /etc/ and try to pick what i need from it after i re-image
[19:13] <q-bert> or i should just go and try to find another SD card and keep this old one around
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[19:14] <squirrel> i've used a number of images, atm using some minimal installation as i've got a 2gb card, and had no problems with unicode
[19:14] <q-bert> it's not worth digging to figure out what is busted about this raspbian instance
[19:14] <squirrel> stuff like cyrillics doesn't work either?
[19:15] <q-bert> i havent tried but i imagine they dont
[19:15] <q-bert> i cant even see accented vowels, like the ones you see in romance languages
[19:15] <squirrel> what do you see instead?
[19:15] <q-bert> on irssi i see question marks
[19:16] <q-bert> in the terminal i see nothing
[19:16] <q-bert> just gaps
[19:16] <lordievader> Sounds like your unicode support is broken.
[19:16] <lordievader> Or misconfigured.
[19:17] <q-bert> well i never specifically tinkered with it
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[19:17] <squirrel> font issue perhaps?
[19:18] <squirrel> if you copy the gaps and paste them somewhere, do you get the characters
[19:18] <q-bert> no
[19:18] <q-bert> they're lost in this terminal
[19:18] <q-bert> i tried from ssh from a linux machine last night and same deal, so it's not putty/windnows
[19:18] <q-bert> i think im going to get another SD card :(
[19:19] <q-bert> copying stuff i need to the new /etc/ should be easy enough
[19:19] <squirrel> you can just dd the old card
[19:19] <q-bert> yeah but i wanna keep it around in case there's stuff i forget to back up
[19:19] <q-bert> :)
[19:19] <q-bert> stuff outside of /etc/
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[19:21] <squirrel> i usually dd the whole card and just get stuff from the image later
[19:21] <q-bert> oh
[19:21] <q-bert> i see what you mean
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[19:25] <Tachyon`> yeah, dd, resize partition(s), done
[19:25] <Tachyon`> which on the pi is rather easy
[19:25] <Tachyon`> had to do that to expand retropie from 8 to 16 recently and it's going to need a 32 soon, psx stuff is large -.o
[19:27] <squirrel> resizing partitions is so easy even without the raspi tools ♥
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[20:14] <dardus> hello
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[20:16] <dardus> so guy's i need some help 0.0 i bought me a raspberry pi 2 for a freind and he is stuck withought a hdmi tv so anyways's he got this cable http://amzn.to/1Fje8Fl and when he plugged his pi in it has a red light
[20:17] <dardus> no video
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[20:21] <unbastien1> hi all
[20:21] <dardus> hey dude
[20:21] <unbastien1> i have a question that why i came
[20:21] <dardus> ok
[20:22] <dardus> what's the question?
[20:22] <unbastien1> how login automatically on raspbian
[20:23] <dardus> why would you want to do that? it is a REAL security risk but ok i will show you
[20:23] <at0m|c> dardus: there's different types of TRRS cables. make sure you got the right one. http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
[20:23] <unbastien1> the pi will stay at home
[20:24] <unbastien1> i have to play musique with analogic speaker
[20:24] <dardus> just a sec
[20:25] <unbastien1> but i want that when i plug alimentation cable and some usb stick (contain mp3) the pi plays music
[20:25] <dardus> you mean like without a passwd or just login straight to desktop?
[20:26] <at0m|c> he doesn't need a desktop or login for that. just an udev rule for the stick
[20:26] <unbastien1> straight desktop or command line
[20:27] <unbastien1> to execute a python's code every boot (to play music)
[20:27] <dardus> well with that i can't help :(
[20:27] <unbastien1> what do you need more?
[20:28] <dardus> hey atomic he got a zune cable btw so will that work?
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[20:28] <dardus> hey otter
[20:29] <unbastien1> hi
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[20:34] <at0m|c> dardus: i don't know that cable. try switching and audio for video plug.
[20:34] <at0m|c> unbastien1: http://www.panticz.de/node/629 can get you started.
[20:34] <unbastien1> thanks
[20:34] <dardus> tried to no avail
[20:36] <unbastien1> ok i will try thanks for all i will come to my bed bye
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[20:38] <dardus> well then
[20:41] <dardus> any news on ras pi 3?
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[20:42] <at0m|c> the 2's just been released?
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[20:44] <dardus> oh yeah btw no more crappy web client's, just downloaded hexchat
[20:44] <dardus> what client's do you use?
[20:47] <Tachyon`> mirc on this, xchat on pandora, irssi on pis
[20:47] <dardus> bye bye and thanks for the support atomic :)
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[20:47] <at0m|c> gl darthbator
[20:47] <at0m|c> err
[20:47] <at0m|c> tab-complete fail
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[22:31] <pi___> hello
[22:31] <pi___> whois pi___
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[23:13] <Kilikit_T> hey can I ask r-pi questions in here? or just programming junk?
[23:14] <Kilikit_T> because I have been tryign to figure out whether or not to put a 64gb micro-sd in my pi or an 8gb one like the dox suggest
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[23:57] <Getty> holy moly, i thought i was already down the rabbit hole with watching that vampire movie with nicolas cage
[23:57] <Getty> but "time to kill" is a new dimension......
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