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[1:55] <john_doe_jr1> When I attempt to install openelec using berry boot it says that the address is not found 404…any ideas?
[1:56] <- *john_doe_jr1* When I attempt to install openelec using berry boot it says that the address is not found 404…any ideas?
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[8:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[9:50] <molgrum> hi, how much memory would i gain from removing the GUI?
[9:50] <molgrum> (is it worth it?)
[9:51] <ppq> well if you dont need it...
[9:51] <lordievader> Depends on what you run. If you use something like KDE, then a lot. If you use something like Fluxbox. Your gain is less.
[9:51] <shiftplusone> removing? as opposed to just not running it, 0.
[9:51] <molgrum> i don't run it at all
[9:52] <molgrum> it's gnome i guess
[9:52] <shiftplusone> then it only takes up space, but doesn't use other resources.
[9:52] <molgrum> yeah, how much space are we talking about?
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[9:53] <shiftplusone> removing ~500MB-1GB by getting rid of all the X stuff completely wouldn't be unheard of, I guess.
[9:53] <shiftplusone> but it really depends on how much you've got going on there.
[9:53] <molgrum> that seems like something i would want to do then
[9:53] <molgrum> i just have an 8GB flash card
[9:54] <molgrum> so 1GB is like... 20% gain? :)
[9:56] <molgrum> on the other hand, i will wait with this until i have little space left...
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[9:56] <shiftplusone> if you're running the official image, you can start by removing wolfram-engine, which will give you half a gig for free.
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[9:57] <molgrum> shiftplusone: what does that package do?
[9:57] <shiftplusone> that's mathematica
[9:57] <molgrum> lol
[9:57] <molgrum> i definitely don't need any mathematics stuff yeah
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[9:59] <voldyman> i am trying to get a list of available wifi access points on the raspberry pi, i created a script that uses wpa_supplicant's dbus api, it works fine on my ubuntu laptop but returns an empty array on the pi, weirdly i can see the access points in the wpa_gui program
[9:59] <voldyman> (as well as wpa_cli)
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[10:00] <voldyman> even in using the networkmanager dbus api, i can't see any access points
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[10:02] <molgrum> shiftplusone: btw i'm only going to use raspbian for znc (irc bouncer) and svn (subversion). possibly owncloud as well if i have space enough
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[10:03] <lordievader> molgrum: Then X isn't needed.
[10:03] <shiftplusone> then maybe you should use raspbian-ua-netinst?
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[10:04] <molgrum> lordievader + shiftplusone: it took 1h 20m to compile znc so i would prefer to keep this OS :)
[10:05] <lordievader> 1.4.2 is too old?
[10:05] <molgrum> hmm
[10:05] <molgrum> the znc wiki says that wheezy uses something like 0.xyz
[10:06] <shiftplusone> you can install jessie
[10:06] <molgrum> very outdated
[10:06] <lordievader> 1,4,2 is available for Jessie.
[10:06] <molgrum> yeha i could do that
[10:07] <molgrum> thanks for answers, gonna google a bit on how to remove X :)
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[10:07] <molgrum> i can always reinstall it again if i need it
[10:07] <lordievader> molgrum: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=13962
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[10:09] <molgrum> lordievader: good forum post, i'll bookmark
[10:09] <lordievader> That is what I have.
[10:10] <shiftplusone> /var/log/apt/history.log is a good place to look too
[10:11] <shiftplusone> you can see where in the image building process X stuff starts getting installed and remove all of it.
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[10:19] <molgrum> shiftplusone: seems i don't have wolfram-engine
[10:20] <molgrum> did an apt-cache show on it
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[10:28] <molgrum> shiftplusone: ah, it's in the NOOBS image
[10:28] <molgrum> "The Wolfram Language and Mathematica are bundled with the Raspberry Pi New Out of Box Software (NOOBS)."
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[10:35] <molgrum> sorry my bad, i did the apt-cache on my own computer... *doh*
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[10:39] <ShorTie> if your trying to free up sdcard, get rid of NOOBS and just write the image to it
[10:39] <ShorTie> it will save you around 700 megs or so i believe
[10:40] <molgrum> ShorTie: i'm not using NOOBS :)
[10:41] <molgrum> at least i think i'm not, i flashed with the raspbian official image
[10:44] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[10:44] <ShorTie> you just mentioned it is all
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[10:45] <molgrum> ShorTie: yeah i was just confused :)
[10:45] <molgrum> never mind what i said about NOOBS
[10:45] <ShorTie> easy to tell, just do a 'fdisk -l' and see how big /boot is
[10:47] <molgrum> df -h says 56M
[10:48] <molgrum> i have to go now, BBL
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[12:44] <yohann> hello ! there is some one here ?
[12:44] <shiftplusone> doing a roll call?
[12:45] <yohann> i ave a question ! (sorry for my enghish ! i'm frenche and my englsh is bad !)
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[12:46] <yohann> i would like to change the graphic interface on my raspberry PI2 to the standar lxde desktop !
[12:49] <shiftplusone> I'd start by removing raspberrypi-ui-mods and the ui-related ~/.config files
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[13:01] <yohann> ok ! i foud that and i will try to found the right option ! thanks !
[13:02] <shiftplusone> there might be more to it (like pinning certain packages to use the raspbian repo)
[13:03] <molgrum> shiftplusone: thx for the wolfram-engine tip, i cleared about half a gig :)
[13:05] <shiftplusone> for what it's worth, a few of the UI changes (particularly bug fixes) have made it upstream and lxde devs have expressed interest in other changes too. (Well, it was more along the lines of "respect dfsg and contribute back, you jerks", but still... I'd take it as a good sign =P)
[13:05] <shiftplusone> (they didn't really say that)
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[13:07] <shiftplusone> molgrum: oracle java might give you an extra few hundred meg.
[13:07] <molgrum> okay, i think i want to keep java tho but thanks :)
[13:08] <shiftplusone> madman
[13:08] <molgrum> :P
[13:09] <jakllsch> wait, they have actuall Oracle Java for ARMv6?
[13:13] <shiftplusone> yes
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[14:59] <fretsejaz> Hello
[14:59] <lordievader> o/
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[17:30] <fred1807> What is the best solution to get a boot splash image on raspbian? Plymouth?
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[18:17] <molgrum> is there some equivalence to ubuntus "apt-get install lamp-server^"?
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[18:19] <molgrum> or what is the recommended stack to use on an RBP1?
[18:19] <molgrum> just reaad that nginx seems better
[18:21] <molgrum> http://kmil.us/blog/2012/08/12/raspberry-pi-as-a-web-server/
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[18:24] <hecatae> molgrum, lighttpd is also worth looking at
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[18:24] <molgrum> hecatae: okay thx
[18:24] <fred1807> depends
[18:25] <fred1807> what do you need
[18:25] <molgrum> for now, just an example web site. i can add the php and sql later on
[18:26] <molgrum> going to rewrite an excel macro in javascript
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[18:26] <hecatae> fred1807, uhttpd at present
[18:28] <molgrum> fred1807: i probably need php or something like it, and an sql database later on (sqlite is probably enough?)
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[18:29] <molgrum> so basically for now, i just need to choose a server software
[18:29] <fred1807> nginx
[18:29] <dougl> you are trying to figer out a LAMP stack on Pi?
[18:29] <molgrum> nginx, okay
[18:29] <molgrum> dougl: probably not, i don't want to take up too much resources
[18:30] <dougl> rpi 1
[18:30] <molgrum> yes
[18:31] <molgrum> running wheezy
[18:33] <molgrum> i suppose nginx would be cool to learn. it's pretty popular from what i gather
[18:34] <dougl> 5 bucks a month for a lamp in cyber space... digital ocean if I recall
[18:34] * dougl googling nginx
[18:36] <dougl> Hmmm - over my head
[18:37] <hecatae> $17.50 for a lifetime server at cloudatcost, 512mb ram, 11gb ssd, 1 cpu, 500gb transfer allowance, ideal for learning, and no monthly commitment needed
[18:37] <hecatae> anyway, back to building openwrt on my pi
[18:37] <molgrum> dougl: you think running a web server + znc + svn would be too much for my RBP?
[18:37] <molgrum> or anyone :)
[18:38] <molgrum> hecatae: i'm also into openwrt, gonna try to flash it on my router when i feel confident
[18:39] <hecatae> molgrum, it would be slow, if you want a working example of a webserver on a raspberry pi, try installing raspbx on yours and try basic configuration changes
[18:39] <hecatae> molgrum, I'm running barrier breaker on my tp-link w8970, works perfectly,
[18:40] <hecatae> actually raspbx may be a bad example as it writes to mysql and uses apache, but, it's not the fastest thing on rpi b or b+
[18:40] <molgrum> i have an ASUS RT-U56N
[18:40] <dougl> I couldn't say - sorry molgrum hopefully someone else smarter or more experienced than me will chime in...
[18:40] <molgrum> dougl: okay thanks anyway, i'll wait
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[18:41] <molgrum> ASUS says that i can install openwrt as long as they can restore the router if it bricks
[18:41] <molgrum> pretty good guarantee
[18:42] <hecatae> anyone else running 4.0.5 kernel from rpi-update on their pi?
[18:42] <hecatae> somethings seem quicker
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[18:48] <dougl> molgrum, if ya need a sounding board just yell... prolly be as helpful as a board or post but sometmes it is good to communicate and things have a funny way of working out but usually it invokes some interest and the real smart ones chime in (what fun that is)
[18:48] <molgrum> dougl: i don't understand :)
[18:48] <molgrum> sounding board?
[18:50] <dougl> molgrum, just someone to talk to and bounce some ideas off... then smarter people than me may chime in.
[18:50] <molgrum> ah ok, now i got you
[18:51] <molgrum> well it seems znc uses 3.5% RAM and close to 0 CPU
[18:51] <dougl> znc = vnc ?
[18:51] <molgrum> i'll install a subversion server i think
[18:51] <molgrum> znc is an irc bouncer
[18:51] <molgrum> does RBP handle subversion well?
[18:52] <dougl> ok that would leave a small footprint in the resources = lots to spare.
[18:52] <molgrum> yep :)
[18:52] <molgrum> just wondering about SVN... how much does that take up in resources
[18:53] <molgrum> my priorities are: 1. ZNC 2. SVN 3. Web server 4. Owncloud
[18:53] <dougl> always used the repositories - never went off the beaten path with the raspberry
[18:53] <dougl> that seems worthy of a rpi2
[18:53] <molgrum> i have the 1 tho :/
[18:53] <diederik> why SVN? (and not git or another dvcs)
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[18:53] <dougl> after you work out the bugs
[18:53] <molgrum> diederik: unrael engine supports SVN OOTB
[18:54] <molgrum> and we are only two people developing
[18:54] <diederik> ah ok
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[18:56] <molgrum> diederik: do you think an svn server is something that model 1 can handle?
[18:56] <molgrum> could experiment a bit with it
[18:56] <diederik> I don't think the cpu is your problem with svn, IO is
[18:56] <molgrum> yeah
[18:57] <molgrum> what's the specs for I/O?
[18:57] <diederik> and in that regard a dvcs should perform way better on a Pi, since you do most things locally
[18:58] <diederik> don't know about the spec, but transferring >5 MB/s is hardly possible
[18:58] <hecatae> Linux raspbian 4.0.6+ #798 PREEMPT Tue Jun 23 17:48:03 BST 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux
[18:58] <hecatae> okay, that was two hours ago
[18:58] <diederik> the problem with svn is that it uses IO constantly (afaik)
[18:58] <molgrum> oh okay
[18:59] <molgrum> could always connect an external harddrive
[18:59] <molgrum> maybe better transfer rates then?
[18:59] <diederik> but it has been a long time since I've used SVN.
[19:00] <diederik> I think that's a good idea
[19:00] <molgrum> i'm also into GIT :)
[19:00] <diederik> I personally LOVE git
[19:00] <molgrum> yeah
[19:00] <molgrum> hmmm, can i tell SVN + Owncloud to use the external harddrive?
[19:01] <diederik> I'm pretty sure you can
[19:01] <diederik> wrt owncloud, store the whole data dir on the external drive
[19:01] <molgrum> wrt owncloud?
[19:02] <diederik> with respect to
[19:02] <molgrum> ah ok
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[19:02] <molgrum> gonna see if i can search up something for SVN...
[19:03] <molgrum> should be doable i guess
[19:03] <molgrum> just creating the repo on the harddrive
[19:04] <diederik> yep, sounds like the way to go
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[19:15] <molgrum> i'm a little concerned that SVN might take up much RAM
[19:16] <molgrum> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.serverconfig.optimization.html
[19:16] <molgrum> don't know if the --memory-cache-size is for RAM or HDD
[19:19] <diederik> I think RAM
[19:20] <diederik> The only way to find out is by actually doing it, but I'm not optimistic
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[19:20] <molgrum> neither am i
[19:20] <molgrum> it requires apache as well
[19:20] <molgrum> https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-how-to-svn-server/
[19:22] <molgrum> or maybe not :)
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[19:23] <diederik> afaik you don't need a webserver to use svn. Only for the (optional) web interface
[19:24] <molgrum> yeah, i saw that
[19:24] <molgrum> but apparently, someone has actually installed an SVN server and written about it
[19:24] <molgrum> so it should be doable
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[19:28] <molgrum> i think i have 256 MB RAM
[19:29] <diederik> ouch
[19:29] <molgrum> says so on wikipedia
[19:29] <molgrum> KiB Mem: 185908 total, 148864 used, 37044 free, 25936 buffers
[19:29] <molgrum> KiB Swap: 102396 total, 12 used, 102384 free, 92644 cached
[19:29] <diederik> how about 'free' on your Pi?
[19:30] <diederik> looks like you're right
[19:30] <molgrum> and it's already using 148 MB it seems
[19:31] <diederik> If you use swap (and you probably need to), make sure it's on the external drive as well
[19:31] <molgrum> should i move it there or just create another swap?
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[19:32] <diederik> move or create and delete the old one. Your SD card is NOT good for swap
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[19:32] <molgrum> yeah
[19:32] <molgrum> i can allocate maybe 8 GB?
[19:33] <molgrum> but i need the drive first, that will take some time :)
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[19:33] <molgrum> no money yet
[19:33] <diederik> sure you can, but I think it'll be a bit too much ;)
[19:34] <molgrum> diederik: i was just thinking that 8GB is standard for computers nowadays
[19:34] <H4ndy> well the pi is not a standard computer, also swapping will be really, really slow
[19:35] <diederik> yeah, 8GB RAM :-P
[19:35] <diederik> swap will mean (much) extra IO, which is probably already the problem
[19:36] <H4ndy> is there a specific reason to use SVN?
[19:36] * diederik shakes H4ndy's hand ;)
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[19:38] <H4ndy> ^^^
[19:38] <H4ndy> *^^
[19:38] <molgrum> H4ndy: yeah, unreal engine
[19:38] <H4ndy> they only offer SNV? wow
[19:39] <molgrum> yep, and a proprietary alternative
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[19:39] <H4ndy> probably easier to grab a PI2 ^^"
[19:39] <molgrum> there _is_ a plugin for git but we are only two people
[19:39] <molgrum> and i don't think the other guy could handle git very well
[19:39] <molgrum> svn is easier
[19:40] <molgrum> he's not tech-savvy
[19:41] <H4ndy> well, good luck then. I would recommend a Pi2, which should handle apache+SNV just fine
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[19:42] <molgrum> H4ndy: ok thanks
[19:42] <diederik> I agree, 4x the RAM and 4x better CPU (and slightly better USB/IO)
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[19:43] <molgrum> what about nginx? i could install SVN and owncloud on a VPS instead
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[19:44] <molgrum> just wondering what the Pi1 can handle
[19:44] <molgrum> if it cannot handle what i want, i'll jsut use the VPS
[19:44] <diederik> it surely would be a good way to stress test the Pi1
[19:45] <molgrum> you mean nginx?
[19:45] <diederik> nginx and owncloud can work fine together
[19:46] <diederik> no, putting it all on a Pi1
[19:46] <molgrum> oh okay
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[19:53] <diederik> I'd try SVN on the Pi1 first and see whether you can make that workable at all
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