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[0:03] <KD7JWC> shiftplusone: trying your advice now, thank you
[0:07] <UberSMPL> okay so after rebooting I can't even log in directly from the raspberry pi anymore! what a POS
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[0:15] <shiftplusone> "Internet man has trouble with Linux. Blames hardware." sounds like a compelling story.
[0:17] <UberSMPL> I've been using linux for a while, Arch Linux mostly...
[0:17] <UberSMPL> Its a complete fresh install of Raspbian, just got the Pi in the mail today... so no changes have been made to it
[0:17] <UberSMPL> other than enable SSH
[0:18] <UberSMPL> and change password
[0:18] <UberSMPL> so keep coming with your stupid pointless smartass comments.. tiny man behind a computer screen
[0:18] <shiftplusone> yessum
[0:19] <KD7JWC> UberSMPL: and you are bigger for using foul language behnd a tiny screen? hmm
[0:19] <UberSMPL> foul language?
[0:20] <UberSMPL> (my screens are actually rather large, but beside the point)
[0:20] <shiftplusone> Come on guys, calm down. It's not the size that matters.
[0:23] <UberSMPL> The point behind this IRC chat is suppose to assistance/help/troubleshoot. Instead shiftplusone seems to use it as his own way of making himself feel special by responding to peoples frustration with pointless comments (childs play) if you're not going to help, then just keep your mouth shut.
[0:28] <shiftplusone> UberSMPL: I think you'll find that if you're not an entitled ass, I can be a very helpful person. If you come in here with "Wat is this POS!? how dare you shrug after answering the question I asked!? terrible user experience! I'm an arch user pro, I couldn't possibly have done anything wrong" before I even get a chance to type out the full response, like somebody owes you something, I really couldn't care less about your problems. Nobody
[0:28] <shiftplusone> is paid to be here and certainly not by you, so if the response is not to your majesty's satisfaction, get a refund.
[0:30] <UberSMPL> Did not come in here with that attitude you describe; I came in here frustrated and you just added full to the "fire."
[0:30] <UberSMPL> I said I was have a very bad experience with my first ever raspberry, and your response was "ok"
[0:31] <shiftplusone> Well why don't you take a breather and come back when you're ready to discuss the problem and not how you feel about it.
[0:31] <UberSMPL> and nomal person would have responded with a sense of compassion "It may be frustrating at first, but I'll be glad to help" or something along those lines...
[0:31] <UberSMPL> You're respond simply implied
[0:32] <UberSMPL> "who cares"
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[0:32] <shiftplusone> Let's just drop it. You've posted on the forum, hopefully you'll get a more helpful answer there.
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[0:33] <UberSMPL> I just don't understand how this could be a "user" error. I received everything in the mail today, formatted the new 32G sd, transferred NOOB installer over, and then connected the Pi to a ethernet cable/hdmi cable/and power (after inserting the SD.)
[0:34] <UberSMPL> then installed Raspbian... changed the password, enabled ssh, then rebooted.
[0:34] <shiftplusone> I agree, it's very odd.
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[0:34] <UberSMPL> I tried to SSH in, and it would not work... I made no other changes, nothing out of the ordinary, yet something as simple as SSH is not functioning
[0:35] <UberSMPL> And now I can't even log into the Pi directly... oh but now i can SSH into it via the ROOT user but not pi user
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[0:37] <shiftplusone> anything interesting in dmesg which might indicated corrupt data?
[0:37] <shiftplusone> *indicate
[0:38] <UberSMPL> its reinstalling Raspbian at the moment... going to start fresh, process of elimination by not changing the default password.
[0:38] <shiftplusone> UberSMPL: hang on, try using the raw image rather than NOOBS.
[0:39] <shiftplusone> The fact that you couldn't view auth.log as root already indicates that there's a bigger problem.
[0:41] <UberSMPL> its to late now raspbian install has completed.. and I enabled SSH.
[0:41] <UberSMPL> and now I can access the pi via SSH using the user pi
[0:41] <UberSMPL> :|
[0:41] <shiftplusone> enabled by default, so that step isn't really necessary, but it wouldn't do any harm.
[0:41] <shiftplusone> well, hurray
[0:42] <UberSMPL> yet still don't have permission to access auth.log
[0:42] <UberSMPL> err, scratch that, now its letting me.
[0:43] <shiftplusone> hopefully it wasn't the result of data on the card getting corrupted. Is it a fairly standard class 4/6 card or is it some fancy class 12 super xtreme ultra high speed card?
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[0:43] <shiftplusone> there have been cases where certain cards would be prone to corruption
[0:44] <UberSMPL> Samsung EVO microSDHC UHS-I Class 10
[0:44] <shiftplusone> oh....eep
[0:44] <shiftplusone> that's one of those cards.
[0:44] <UberSMPL> ??
[0:44] <shiftplusone> since I know it by name
[0:44] <shiftplusone> if it happens again... you know why.
[0:44] <UberSMPL> No a reliable card?
[0:44] <UberSMPL> not*
[0:45] <shiftplusone> the card itself is fine, but there are (were?) some timing issues between it and the pi.
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[0:45] <shiftplusone> I believe the latest kernel may use a driver that doesn't have that problem which actually uses a different peripheral, but... cross that bridge when we come to it.
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[0:46] <shiftplusone> UberSMPL: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/397
[0:49] <UberSMPL> Suggested card to use then? ScanDisk?
[0:50] <shiftplusone> I use these ones http://swag.raspberrypi.org/collections/frontpage/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
[0:50] <UberSMPL> They don't sell/offer them in anything higher than 8GB?
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[0:53] <shiftplusone> Nope. Personally, I use an external HDD for the rootfs where all the large stuff lives.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> and would recommend that setup if you've got data you care about
[0:54] <shiftplusone> sd cards in general aren't the best medium... lots of interesting points raised here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3GDPwIuRKI
[0:55] <UberSMPL> Only problem with that, the Enclosure I'll be building doesn't have the space for an external drive. I might be able to redesign it and add a slight space for a SSD
[0:55] <UberSMPL> but I would have to tear down the SSD to remove outside casing
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[1:00] <UberSMPL> Any reports or issues with the use of a SSD?
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[1:02] <shiftplusone> nope, but it's worth remembering that the pi has 1 usb bus, from which the NIC hangs, so you'd be sharing the bandwidth with the network and all other usb devices.
[1:02] <shiftplusone> On the pi 1, it would generate fairly high CPU load if you try to do too much at once, but that won't be a problem on your pi 2.
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[1:05] <UberSMPL> NIC won't be in use for this build; and I had hope to avoid usage of the USB as well.
[1:06] <UberSMPL> Will be using a GSM Breakout, as no Wifi access in the area the project/build will be stationed
[1:08] <shiftplusone> should be fine
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[1:12] <UberSMPL> Wow $44 for a 32G SSD. This project may turn out to be more expensive than intended/hoped
[1:13] <UberSMPL> and I'll need at least 4 :(
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[1:13] <shiftplusone> Why not just go for a thumb drive?
[1:14] <shiftplusone> and why do you need so much space?
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[1:15] <UberSMPL> Need to have space for video to be stored; upto 24 hours of constant video feed.
[1:15] <shiftplusone> oh =/
[1:17] <shiftplusone> Seems like it's quite a bit of hammering for flash media. I'd use an HDD for that, but you mentioned space limitations and all that.
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[1:19] <UberSMPL> Well the 3D Model I designed to house all the parts (based on measurements found online for each part) didn't take into account for a HDD. I left a small gap at the bottom for "air flow" which I could probably fit a SSD (without case)
[1:20] <UberSMPL> might just have to take it back to the drawing board and make space for a HHD.
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[1:21] <UberSMPL> lol. doubt I'm going to find a low gig HDD anywhere
[1:21] <UberSMPL> I wouldn't need anything over 100
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[1:21] <UberSMPL> g
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[1:22] <UberSMPL> Local state part is getting vandalized; trying to build some low cost surveillance.
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[1:23] <UberSMPL> state park*
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[1:24] <shiftplusone> interesting application
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[1:24] <shiftplusone> make sure you build the system up and test it before committing to any particular hardware combination in the final design
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[1:27] <UberSMPL> the one I got in the mail is the " prototype " - for trial and error testing.
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[1:32] <shiftplusone> well, good luck with it. sounds like a fun project.
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[1:39] <shiftplusone> KD7JWC: any luck?
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[1:48] <KD7JWC> company came over and i got side tracked but will pop back in and tell you what i found
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[2:06] <UberSMPL> shiftplusone: thanks
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[2:41] <KD7JWC> shiftplusone: you about?
[2:42] <shiftplusone> depends
[2:43] <KD7JWC> well i solved it, it was the card reader in my desktop, i did the same process in my laptop and it worked perfectly
[2:43] <shiftplusone> that was my next guess
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[2:43] <KD7JWC> thanks though for the tip on sync and bs=4M
[2:44] <KD7JWC> i appreciate it
[2:44] <shiftplusone> np
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[2:53] <KD7JWC> shiftplusone: say do you have a few moments for some os upgrade questions?
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[2:54] <shiftplusone> maybe, just ask. Even if I disappear, I'm sure somebody else will answer.
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[3:14] <KD7JWC> are there any inherant problems with doing a switch up frpm wheezy to jessie in sources.lst
[3:14] <shiftplusone> https://vk5tu.livejournal.com/54182.html
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[3:15] <shiftplusone> I'm working on getting the raspberrypi.org repo sorted and it's mostly ready, but I wouldn't recommend switching yet.
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[3:17] <KD7JWC> shiftplusone: that is some great help there thank you very much
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[3:18] <shiftplusone> I find some information in that article somewhat questionable and plan to write my own when the repo is ready, but it's certainly a good start.
[3:19] <KD7JWC> i have accomplished it once so far wildcarding and it worked but to have a guide to help troubleshoot pitfalls is great
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[6:18] <gamer> i need a library c++ for turning the pi 2 pins on and off
[6:19] <gamer> is there one in the repos in raspbian?
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[8:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[8:21] <appas> happy tomorrow, as we say in finland
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[8:54] <creep> Hi, I am searching a out of the box work usb wlan stick that works with raspbian and linux. Can you recommand some wlan sticks ?
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[9:35] <UberSMPL> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RK178ZM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A2HRXDCK7SIH44
[9:35] <UberSMPL> Thats the one i use
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[9:37] <zGrr> moin :)
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[15:50] <Cyber> hi
[15:50] <Cyber> anyone here
[15:51] <Cyber> ��
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[16:58] <heller_> nope
[16:58] <Aaronaurus> :D
[16:58] <Aaronaurus> He didn't wait long for a reply :p
[16:59] <heller_> they never do
[17:00] <Aaronaurus> ;)
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[17:40] <felqer> Are there any rules for this channel?
[17:40] <felqer> And where can I find them? :)
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[17:40] <Aaronaurus> hmm, general IRC etiquette I'd believe
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[18:43] <lxl> hello, any1 else has 'ps' segmentation fault problem? I am on raspbian wheezy, procps/wheezy uptodate 1:3.3.3-3, raspbian is updated.
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[18:47] <Slabdabs> not I
[18:47] <Slabdabs> but I also only got my RPi a few days ago
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[18:50] <lordievader> Running Jessie here, no problems with ps.
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[19:02] <molgrum> hey, i'm wondering if anyone knows how to format a HDD from NTFS to EXT4?
[19:02] <molgrum> using fdisk preferably i guess
[19:02] <molgrum> i just want to wipe it clean
[19:03] <molgrum> umount first?
[19:04] <molgrum> mkfs -t ext4 <device> ?
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[19:05] <molgrum> or mkfs.ext4 maybe
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[19:07] <molgrum> http://blag.borap.net/2011/08/10/formatting-an-external-hard-disk-with-ext4/ this guide seems like what i need :)
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[19:08] <lordievader> molgrum: fdisk is a partitioner not a filesystem creator.
[19:08] <lordievader> And, yes. Unmount and mkfs.ext4
[19:08] <molgrum> lordievader: okay
[19:08] <molgrum> so i skip fdisk?
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[19:08] <lordievader> If it is already partitioned, yes.
[19:09] <molgrum> alright
[19:09] <molgrum> and tune2fs?
[19:09] <molgrum> -m 0
[19:11] <molgrum> hmm, fdisk still syaas it's ntfs
[19:12] <molgrum> says*
[19:12] <lordievader> molgrum: What is going on the disk?
[19:12] <molgrum> nothing
[19:12] <molgrum> i can pastebin the result
[19:12] <lordievader> Have you read the man page about the -m switch?
[19:13] <molgrum> http://pastebin.com/zBHYasXn
[19:13] <molgrum> i'll read it
[19:14] <molgrum> i intend to use this drive as owncloud HDD, so i think -m 0 is fine for me
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[19:14] <lordievader> Ouch, Seagate.
[19:15] <molgrum> what, have i corrupted it?
[19:15] <molgrum> :/
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[19:16] <lordievader> No, I just dislike Seagate.
[19:16] <molgrum> okay :)
[19:16] <lordievader> They tend to break quickly.
[19:16] <molgrum> but strange that it isn't ext4
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[19:17] <lordievader> ?
[19:17] <molgrum> hmm
[19:17] <molgrum> blkid says ext4
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[19:17] <molgrum> fdisk says NTFS
[19:19] <molgrum> yeah it isn't ext4, tried mount -a
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[19:20] <molgrum> i'll just follow that guide with fdisk as well
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[19:26] <lordievader> Fdisk doesn't/shouldn't do anything with filesystems.
[19:26] <lordievader> It ain't made to do that.
[19:26] <molgrum> well, now fdisk says linux so :)
[19:27] <molgrum> hmm weird, still no ext4
[19:28] <lordievader> What? What are you talking about?
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[19:28] <molgrum> lordievader: i followed the guide but i cannot mount i t as ext4
[19:28] <lordievader> You said you just mounted it, job done I'd say.
[19:29] <molgrum> lordievader: no, i can't mount it
[19:29] <lordievader> molgrum: Did you create the filesystem?
[19:29] <molgrum> lordievader: yes
[19:29] <molgrum> mkfs.ext4
[19:30] <molgrum> [133643.678827] EXT4-fs (sda1): Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
[19:30] <molgrum> that's from dmesg
[19:30] <molgrum> hmm
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[19:34] <lordievader> Remove the mount option.
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[19:35] <molgrum> aha
[19:35] <molgrum> es
[19:35] <molgrum> yes
[19:36] <molgrum> mounted! :)
[19:36] <molgrum> however i don't want root to be the owner
[19:37] <molgrum> alright, fixed that too
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[19:44] <molgrum> hmm i don't like that my hdd is "dimming" or how you say it
[19:44] <lordievader> Dimming?
[19:45] <molgrum> yeah like the LED is going from bright to slightly bright
[19:45] <molgrum> i'm not native in english sorry :(
[19:45] <lordievader> I have no idea what you mean.
[19:45] <molgrum> it's not flashing, it's going slowly
[19:46] <molgrum> slowly from bright to not so bright
[19:46] <molgrum> and then back
[19:46] <molgrum> like it's doing something
[19:46] <molgrum> and usb-storage is active
[19:46] <molgrum> is top
[19:46] <molgrum> in*
[19:47] <lala> Hello.
[19:47] <lala> I used git --version and it reported a relatively old version of git.
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[19:47] <lala> I tried using sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade but it didn't update git.
[19:47] <lala> The git version it reports is "git version 1.7.10.4".
[19:48] <lala> What should I do?
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[19:49] <lordievader> molgrum: Are you talking about the hdd activity light?
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[19:49] <molgrum> lordievader: yep
[19:49] <lordievader> How that is implemented is usually hardware specific.
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[19:50] <molgrum> didn't use to do this afaik
[19:50] <molgrum> before i changed to ext4
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[19:51] <molgrum> but when i touch it, it isn't vibrating
[19:51] <molgrum> :P
[19:51] <molgrum> don't take that sentence the wrong way
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[19:56] <molgrum> maybe it's something that ext4 does, keeps the HDD "alive"
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[20:02] <lala> Eh...
[20:02] <lala> I feel ignored.
[20:02] <molgrum> lala: are you on jessie?
[20:03] <molgrum> i'm on jessie and have 2.1.4
[20:03] <molgrum> so.. upgrade! :)
[20:03] <lala> molgrum: I'm on Debian Wheezy.
[20:03] <molgrum> lala: just installed or?
[20:03] <lala> Just installed.
[20:04] <lala> Installed it 3 days ago.
[20:04] <molgrum> then yo ucan try out a jessie upgrade
[20:04] <molgrum> just do this
[20:04] <lala> Jessie?
[20:04] <molgrum> jessie is the latest stable
[20:04] <lala> So Wheezy is not the latest?
[20:04] <lala> Oh.
[20:04] <molgrum> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:04] <molgrum> replace wheezy with jessie
[20:04] <lala> These names are kinda hard to follow sometimes. Sorry.
[20:04] <lala> Oh let me try that.
[20:05] <molgrum> and then just apt-get update upgrade dist-upgrade
[20:05] <molgrum> and reboot maybe :P
[20:05] <lala> I'm using SSH to my Raspberry Pi. Is that okay?
[20:05] <molgrum> i did it with ssh, but do you have a hdmi monitor?
[20:05] <lala> Eh... Do I have to use a monitor?
[20:06] <molgrum> nope
[20:06] <lala> Oh.
[20:06] <molgrum> just if something goes wrong yo ucan login
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[20:06] <lala> Oh...
[20:06] <lala> Well I did buy the HDMI to DVI cable...
[20:06] <molgrum> just plug in monitor and keyboard
[20:06] <molgrum> and you have TTY
[20:06] <lala> I used that when I initially set up the NOOBS thing.
[20:06] <lala> What's TTY?
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[20:06] <molgrum> TTY is the terminals
[20:07] <molgrum> alt-f1 etc
[20:07] <molgrum> F1
[20:07] <molgrum> and you have X as well
[20:07] <lala> Right... Hmm... Well...
[20:08] <lala> So I'll use edit or nano?
[20:08] <molgrum> but don't edit the stuff in sources.list.d
[20:08] <molgrum> that's what i've been told anyway
[20:08] <molgrum> i used nano
[20:08] <lala> molgrum: Okay nano it is.
[20:08] <molgrum> note: it will take a while
[20:08] <molgrum> what model are you on?
[20:09] <lala> Hm...
[20:09] <molgrum> i had the oldest model and it took maybe 2h
[20:09] <molgrum> i think
[20:09] <lala> I just got the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B.
[20:09] <molgrum> ah ok
[20:09] <molgrum> should be way faster then
[20:09] <lala> How long will it take?
[20:09] <molgrum> i cannot say
[20:09] <lala> It says "deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi"
[20:09] <lala> So change wheezy to jessie?
[20:10] <molgrum> lala: yes
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[20:10] <H4ndy> I upgraded to Jessie via SSH only without issues
[20:10] <H4ndy> just make sure to say no to disabling root access
[20:10] <molgrum> say yes to that...
[20:10] <molgrum> :P
[20:10] <lala> It says I need permissions...
[20:10] <lala> I need to use sudo.
[20:10] <molgrum> lala: yes
[20:11] <lala> Okay.
[20:11] <lala> I changed it.
[20:11] <lala> Now I use sudo apt-get update?
[20:11] <molgrum> yep
[20:11] <molgrum> i'm not sure if you can just dist-upgrade directly or you have to upgrade first. maybe H4ndy knows
[20:12] <H4ndy> I just edited sources.lst, apt-update | apt dist-upgrade
[20:12] <molgrum> then do dist-upgrade
[20:12] <lala> So I did sudo apt-get update.
[20:12] <lala> Now I do sudo apt-get diet-upgrade?
[20:12] <lala> dist*
[20:13] <H4ndy> yes
[20:13] <H4ndy> it will take about 1 hour
[20:13] <molgrum> H4ndyman
[20:13] <lala> Okie dokie.
[20:13] <molgrum> he knows
[20:13] <H4ndy> check from time to time, it will ask you some stuff
[20:13] <CookieNapper> h4ndy what's the dist-upgrade for?
[20:14] <molgrum> i said yes to every config it wanted to replace
[20:14] <lala> It says "708 upgraded, 382 newly installed, 14 to remove and 0 not upgraded.\m Need to get 466 MB of archives.\n After this operation, 14.0 MB of additional disk space will be used."
[20:14] <lordievader> lala: About your git story, wheezy is old. So the git in it's repo is old ;)
[20:14] <lala> \n
[20:14] <H4ndy> CookieNapper: it will tell apt to use latest version, not just minor fixes
[20:14] <CookieNapper> ah
[20:14] <lala> So it'll download a lot of stuff...
[20:14] <lala> Is that oaky?
[20:14] <lala> okay?
[20:14] <H4ndy> yes
[20:14] <lala> Okay thanks!
[20:14] <H4ndy> you are upgrading the whole system to the next release
[20:15] <molgrum> lala: i said yes to the config replacements
[20:15] <molgrum> if you wonder
[20:15] <lala> What config replacements?
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[20:16] <lala> And why does the Raspberry Pi website still have Raspbian Debian Wheezy?
[20:16] <lala> Why isn't it Raspbian Debian Jessie?
[20:16] <molgrum> lala: i wonder that too...
[20:17] <H4ndy> will follow probably "soon"
[20:18] <lala> Do you recommend me using Raspbian Debian Jessie? Or can I just use stock Debian Jessie? Or Ubuntu Server 15.04?
[20:18] <lala> What's so special about Raspbian?
[20:20] <lordievader> lala: Do you have the newer RPi B v2?
[20:20] <lala> lordievader: Yes.
[20:20] <lordievader> lala: The original Pi used an older arm core which Debian and Ubuntu didn't support.
[20:20] <lordievader> On yours you can run stock Debian.
[20:20] <lala> Oh...
[20:21] <lala> lordievader: Are there any disadvantages of not running Raspbian?
[20:21] <lordievader> Don't know.
[20:22] <lala> Hmm...
[20:22] <lala> What do you run on your Raspberry Pi?
[20:23] <molgrum> i run a irc bouncer and web server
[20:23] <molgrum> and soon owncloud
[20:24] <molgrum> i hope :)
[20:24] <lordievader> lala: Rasbpian here, I got the original B.
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[20:29] <lala> molgrum: That's so cool!
[20:29] <lala> I want to be able to run an IRC bouncer.
[20:29] <lala> I don't know how yet.
[20:29] <molgrum> lala: i've been able to turn off the computer ever since. it's so damn good
[20:29] <lala> I've tried to set it up before on my Mac, but I stopped in the middle.
[20:30] <lala> Hmm...
[20:30] <lala> That sounds good.
[20:30] <molgrum> i personally use ZNC
[20:30] <lala> But are you able to use it outside your local network?
[20:30] <molgrum> yes
[20:30] <molgrum> if i open ports
[20:30] <lala> Oh.
[20:30] <molgrum> a port
[20:30] <lala> My ISP blocks certain ports...
[20:30] <lala> I learned that I can't use port 80 for web stuff.
[20:31] <lala> Because my ISP blocks it.
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[20:33] <lala> molgrum: I also have a dynamic IP address, and so it might be tricky.
[20:33] <molgrum> lala: ah, i use openwrt on my router and customized it to renew my IP at duckdns.org
[20:34] <lala> Oh.
[20:34] <molgrum> but you can use a DDNS and manually update too
[20:34] <lala> molgrum: My router doesn't support openwrt or dd-wrt or any of those.
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[20:34] <molgrum> lala: then you have to update manually :)
[20:35] <lala> Yeah...
[20:35] <lordievader> You can script that and throw it in in cron.
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[20:46] <H4ndy> just install ddclient
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[21:06] <ralu> hello i have broken /bin/tar that is installed from wheezy-backports
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[21:07] <ralu> how shoul i fix this
[21:07] <ralu> when I run it is sais segmentaion/fault
[21:07] <ralu> and apt-get doesnt work
[21:07] <lordievader> ralu: Untar the package on another machine and scp it over?
[21:08] <ralu> i did
[21:08] <ralu> but same issue
[21:09] <ralu> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tar/tar_1.27.1-1~bpo70+1_armhf.deb
[21:09] <ralu> i took this one
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[21:10] <ralu> i have checked md5sums
[21:11] <ralu> what else could be broken?
[21:14] <lordievader> I don't know what you have done ;)
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[21:15] <ralu> otherwise i have woking system
[21:15] <ralu> i am running nginx and mail server on
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[21:25] <Slabdabs> Oh wow, this channel has been pretty active today.
[21:25] <Slabdabs> Maybe it's just during work hours haha
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[21:32] <H4ndy> it was prime time in europe tho
[21:32] <H4ndy> that beeing said, I am out to bed. good night and stay greasy my friends!
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[23:14] <lala> molgrum: Eh...
[23:14] <lala> This dist-upgrade has been running for a long time.
[23:16] <lala> It has asked me to overwrite configuration files, which pauses the installation...
[23:16] <lala> And then I have to type Y for all of them manually.
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