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[4:57] <plaztik> hey just got a raspberry pi 2 in the mail and it did not come with an adapter for micro sd, is there a port i am missing or do i need to go out and grab an adapter?
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[5:58] <plentybinary> is there any way other than ssh to run a headless pi?
[5:59] <plentybinary> if i go to freinds house there must be a better way than plugging it all in just to connect to the wifi
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[7:29] <M`vy> well if it's headless you ned some network anyway
[7:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[7:29] <M`vy> hi lordievader
[7:30] <lordievader> Hey M`vy
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[13:19] <rtc_noob> trying to set a rtc ds3231 for raspbian. I do hwclock -s in rc.local
[13:20] <rtc_noob> doesn't work. do i need sudo?
[13:21] <shiftplusone> the sort of questions that's probably better for the forum
[13:22] <rtc_noob> how do I get time from rtc and update it from ntp when online?
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[13:24] <rtc_noob> shiftplusone, I have been reading the forum without much sucess in this topic
[13:25] <shiftplusone> yeah, the whole rtc thing seems a bit ugly to me. Only poked around a little bit to report a bug, but haven't went out of my way to figure out all the details.
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[13:27] <rtc_noob> the sudo fix it for me, it seems to work and the system uses rtc time. but the ntp updating my rtc is not
[13:29] <shiftplusone> I believe the rtc time is meant to save when you shut down, not constantly
[13:30] <shiftplusone> The purpose of the rtc is to know the time to start with when you boot up, not to tell you the time once you're up.
[13:30] <shiftplusone> So it makes no sense to have it updated by an ntp client.
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[13:33] <rtc_noob> AFAIK i just need to configure etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf, /boot/config.txt, /etc/modules then /etc/rc.local sets the rtc device and there it loads the rtc time back to the system (sudo hwclock -s)
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[13:34] <rtc_noob> but if I go online how deos ntp update system date and rtc ?
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[13:38] <shiftplusone> They're not really related. the system time is just the unix epoch time, linux uses counters in the SoC to tick that at the right rate.
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[13:38] <shiftplusone> rtc is used to set the 'starting time' when you boot, to tick from
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[13:38] <shiftplusone> ntp tells you the exact time right now to very high accuracy
[13:39] <shiftplusone> so an ntp client will get the delta between your system time and actual time and adjust your system time accordingly
[13:40] <shiftplusone> then when you shut down, there should be an rtc service which saves the system time to the rtc.
[13:40] <shiftplusone> so they're 3 different things with different purposes with only some interaction, not necessarily an ongoing thing where they interact with each other constantly.
[13:41] <shiftplusone> the exception being ntp which may be configured to correct the system time more frequently
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[13:43] <rtc_noob> so then, ntp is supposed to save the time to rtc
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[13:46] <shiftplusone> nope
[13:47] <shiftplusone> you could have ntp updating your system time every second... there is no reason to save that time to the rtc
[13:47] <shiftplusone> you only need it to happen once
[13:47] <rtc_noob> awww...
[13:48] <rtc_noob> but does it happen already or do I need to tell my system so?
[13:50] <shiftplusone> that, I don't know. In my mind, the same service that reads the time should be the one to write it, which is why rc.local isn't the answer... it only runs once.
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[14:12] <rtc_noob> what does fake-hwclock do?
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[14:17] <shiftplusone> saves the time to a file and reads it back when it boots
[14:18] <shiftplusone> so if you don't have an RTC, your system doesn't think it's 1970 every time.
[14:18] <shiftplusone> then you don't end up with the system time being set to before the time your files were modified, which many programs will complain about.
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[14:35] <rtc_noob> do i need to remove it ?
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[14:35] <shiftplusone> remove or disable
[14:35] <shiftplusone> I've seen forum posts which document this
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[18:16] <ChunkzZ> can a bad usb cause a slow pi 2?
[18:16] <ChunkzZ> like the micro usb that goes in to a plug?
[18:17] <lordievader> ChunkzZ: What do you mean exactly?
[18:19] <shiftplusone> bad usb what?
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[18:20] <ChunkzZ> I am using my usb plug that I got with my galaxy tab a 9.7 - I had a usb (micro) that I got off ebay. change it to the samsung 1 (it's shorter) but my pi 2 seems faster?
[18:21] <lordievader> ChunkzZ: Is the Pi running off of the sd card?
[18:22] <ChunkzZ> yeah
[18:22] <lordievader> ChunkzZ: Ok, and the sd card is just like normal inserted in the sd card slot?
[18:26] <shiftplusone> When the power is inadequate, you'll generally have stability problems. It wouldn't affect the speed unless something happens which gets the kernel stuck in a loop it shouldn't be in or something. You'd probably see it spewing all kinds of stuff in dmesg if that was the case.
[18:28] <ChunkzZ> lordievader, yeah.
[18:28] <ChunkzZ> okay thanks shiftplusone
[18:29] <lordievader> ChunkzZ: So what did you connect to the usb port?
[18:29] <ChunkzZ> what?
[18:30] <lordievader> Never mind. I just don't understand the question.
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[18:33] <methuzla> ChunkzZ: power issue could be either the AC adapter or the cable, both need to be adequate
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[18:36] <ChunkzZ> thanks methuzla
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[20:06] <ChunkzZ> lordievader, basically, I have a Samsung usb plug (it came with my Galaxy Tab A 9.7 Wi-Fi) I had a micro USB cable I bought off Ebay. I was using the Ebay micro USB and the USB plug I got with my Tab A. anyway, after changing from the Ebay USB to the official Samsung 1, my pi 2 had a massive speed difference. that's why I asked if a USB (which is from the USB Plug to the power outlet on the pi 2) could cause an issue.
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[20:36] <lordievader> ChunkzZ-AFK: Hmm, it shouldn't have an impact on performance. That being said I wouldn't charge a tablet off of a pi...
[20:41] <ChunkzZ-AFK> yeah, for some odd reason ?? it's actually faster now. and I know, I wouldn't do that anyway. :p
[20:42] <ChunkzZ-AFK> is there a way to update midori to it's latest version?
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