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[2:28] <benny__> Hello. I have a problem with Raspberry PI (model B)/Raspbian. Everything works fine, only one problem: Cannot boot the device until ethernet cable is plugged in. I want to configure it with twp USB wlan dongles, without eth cable, but until I connect the eth cable, the PI won't boot, and the LEDs remain red (with a litthe green fading and disapearing). I tried disabling eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, tried changing SD cards, tried changing device (I
[2:28] <benny__> have two PIs), but the problem still persists. Can anybody help me?
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[2:35] <klem> Both Pis are doing it?
[2:35] <benny__> Yes
[2:37] <klem> were they bought at the same time? ( I have no connection with the manufacturer or anyone who sells R-PIs)
[2:37] <benny__> Any ideas?
[2:37] <benny__> Yes, bought at the same time.
[2:38] <klem> are you certain they are genuine?
[2:38] <klem> are you using the Raspian image from the RaspberryPi.org website?
[2:38] <benny__> Hmmm....no. But how can I distinguish them? Never heard about PI clones...
[2:39] <benny__> ùYes, that image.
[2:41] <klem> Did it come in a white and red (reddish) box that said Raspberry Pi on the top and Element 14 near the bottom?
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[2:42] <benny__> I think so, Don't remember the Element 14, thought.
[2:43] <klem> and does it have a raspberry printed on the board near the power connector
[2:45] <benny__> Yes, just checked, with (c)ù
[2:45] <benny__> SO, it seems it's genuine?
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[2:46] <klem> Probably is then. Try the Noobs download and select Raspbian when it boots......in fact juet see if it boots at all with noobs
[2:46] <benny__> I'd prefer a clone, but working. :-)
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[2:47] <benny__> I tried the (just released) FreeBSD 10.2, but seems to hae the same problem.. Not done thorough checking yet.
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[2:50] <klem> This might help: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=58151
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[2:51] <klem> also be sure to check your power supply, I've had some strange things happen when power supplies either get noisy or can't deliver the power they have printed on them
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[2:53] <benny__> Already read, the only thing I'm not sure about, is the cable. As soon as I can,I'll try a thicker one, but this one is OK for tablets, so I don't think that's a problem.
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[2:54] <klem> let me check my pi with a wattmeter
[2:55] <benny__> OK.
[2:55] <benny__> BRB.
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[2:59] <klem> My RPi + power supply draws 3.3 watts while booting and 3.1 watts with raspbian desktop idle. USB is only 5VDC so a 750ma power supply should do it, I would suggest at least a 1 amp power supply to be sure. The current rating should be printed on the side of the power supply that plugs into the wall
[3:01] <benny__> Well, since _after_ plugging the cable everything works well, I don't think the problem stays in the power supply. However mine is > 1A.
[3:02] <benny__> I tried It's kind of wake-up-on-lan problem, it seems...ù
[3:02] <klem> cool, well good experimenting then. Actually I suspect the cable was loose and so you didn't get a good enough ground till you plugged in the Ethernet cable
[3:04] <benny__> I tried to exclude factory defects, but now i'm not sure any mi
[3:04] <benny__> any more
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[3:05] <benny__> I'm not a RPI expert, but I have plenty of years of GNU/Linux experience.
[3:05] <klem> Are you using a newer Pi with a locking micro USB? or is that just on the B+ I don't recall.
[3:05] <benny__> ùLocking?
[3:07] <klem> the older Pi's used a standard SD card that was held in with friction, the newer (at least B+ model ) uses a micro usb that goes in and clicks in place, then to remove it you push on it again like a retractable pen
[3:07] <benny__> Then I have the older one.
[3:08] <benny__> ALready read those type of problems, and it's not related to mine. :-)
[3:08] <benny__> I am getting crazy l
[3:09] <benny__> ALmost two days.
[3:09] <klem> well not that I recommend kicking your RPi around but it should be able to be handled pretty roughly (6 inch drop test) without failure. except that the SD card might come loose
[3:09] <benny__> I know.
[3:11] <klem> however in your case I'm afraid I'm just about out of ideas, have you tried booting it with a USB wireless dongle? I don't think it would make much of a difference but it might, never know
[3:12] <benny__> Tried that also.
[3:12] <klem> did it make a difference?
[3:12] <benny__> Well, we are both out of ideas, but I appreciate a loto your effort to help me. :-)
[3:12] <benny__> No, no difference.
[3:13] <klem> and you have tried both a different USB cable and a different power supply
[3:13] <benny__> Right.
[3:14] <benny__> And as I told you, everything works OK AFTER pluging the eth cable....
[3:14] <benny__> I amabout to consider it a factory defect... :-(
[3:15] <klem> yeah me too, but it seems odd to have 2 Pi's with exactly the same defect.....I sill suspect that you're not getting a good ground on the power port either inside the Pi or from the USB cable
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[3:17] <benny__> It would be strange, IMHO, that it starts working AFTER plugging the eth cable...
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[3:18] <klem> Are you doing an install with graphics or just to console?
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[3:18] <benny__> If there'were a bad power, them it wouldn't work after plugging, IMHO.
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[3:19] <benny__> Just console, without monitor, with SSH (after plugged in the cable). I also have hostapd and dhcp server configurednwith wpa_supplicant, everything woorking like a charm.
[3:20] <benny__> But the problemm that persists makes me crazy.
[3:20] <klem> I do a lot of work in analog, so I'm thinking of analog reasons. without a monitor you have to rely on the blinky lights to tell you when it's booted, have you checked that.
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[3:21] <benny__> yes
[3:22] <benny__> However, never mind: I'll try to check with a friends raspberry and my power suppply (and vice versa).
[3:22] <klem> no mouse no nothing but power and it still wont boot
[3:23] <klem> OK, well sorry I couldn't help
[3:23] <benny__> But now that I am on holidays I wanted to use it. :-(
[3:23] <klem> That's the way it goes more often than not unfortunately
[3:23] <benny__> You couldn't help me, but you were very helpful.Thanks.
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[3:27] <benny__> OK, I am leaving now. It's the morning here and I haven't sleep yet. :-)
[3:28] <benny__> Where are you from, if I can ask?
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[3:28] <klem> Colorado Springs Colorado
[3:28] <klem> USA
[3:28] <benny__> OK, you hav the evening now. :-)
[3:29] <benny__> Hope you'll sleep better then me. :-)
[3:29] <klem> I wish you luck in your endevours
[3:29] <benny__> Thank you very much, the same to you.
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[3:30] <benny__> Might happen we see again, who knows? But have my best wishes forever. :-)
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[3:30] <klem> Thank you and I wish the same for you
[3:30] <benny__> Bye, anf thanks again.
[3:31] <klem> you're quite welcom
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[7:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[8:03] <UMGeek> Need some advice guys
[8:04] <UMGeek> Is there a method to set up wireless networking on the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu Mate WITHOUT connecting an ethernet cable to install anything
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[8:06] <UMGeek> ...
[8:06] <lordievader> UMGeek: Is wpa_supplicant installed?
[8:06] <UMGeek> no
[8:06] <UMGeek> Cant install it without ethernet connection?
[8:06] <lordievader> Erm, network-manager?
[8:07] <UMGeek> no
[8:07] <lordievader> Heh, wicd?
[8:07] <lordievader> Or wi?
[8:07] <lordievader> Err iw*
[8:07] <UMGeek> no to both
[8:07] <UMGeek> no
[8:08] <lordievader> So you want to setup wireless networking without any userspace tools for managing your wireless nic....
[8:08] <UMGeek> there was a wpa_supplicant file though
[8:08] <UMGeek> but no wpa_supplicant function
[8:08] <UMGeek> ive modified the wpa_supplicant to have a wlan0 interface
[8:08] <lordievader> I'd install wpa_supplicant though a usb trannsfer.
[8:08] <UMGeek> I have a mac....
[8:08] <UMGeek> terminal connection?
[8:09] <UMGeek> or external USB?
[8:09] <lordievader> Download the deb, put it on a usb stick. Put the usb stick in the pi, install deb.
[8:10] <UMGeek> noob question, but deb?
[8:11] <UMGeek> .deb file?
[8:11] <UMGeek> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wpasupplicant ?
[8:11] <lordievader> UMGeek: The debian package.
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[8:12] <UMGeek> the arm64 version?
[8:13] <lordievader> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/
[8:14] <UMGeek> Im not using Raspbian
[8:15] <lordievader> Hmm, you do realize you are in #raspbian?
[8:15] <UMGeek> Yes
[8:15] <UMGeek> Yes i do
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[8:15] <lordievader> Anyhow you should have the package for your architecture, likely armv<something>
[8:15] <lordievader> Run lscpu to find out.
[8:15] <UMGeek> okay, thanks
[8:16] <UMGeek> Armv71
[8:16] <UMGeek> not what i was expecting
[8:16] <lordievader> Not?
[8:16] <UMGeek> armv7 or arm, not armv71
[8:17] <lordievader> armv71 is armv7 for as far as I know.
[8:18] <UMGeek> i'll go for iw
[8:18] <UMGeek> thanks for the help anyway
[8:19] <lordievader> You really want wpa_supplicant.
[8:19] <UMGeek> i'll look into finding the related files
[8:19] <UMGeek> thanks
[8:20] <lordievader> iw can probably do the job (even though I do not know how), wpa_supplicant is easier.
[8:20] <lordievader> wpa_supplicant + nm would be even easier.
[8:20] <UMGeek> Also, setting that up for a network that uses identity
[8:20] <UMGeek> i can do that in wpa_supplicant
[8:20] <UMGeek> and have done for raspbian
[8:20] <UMGeek> but ubuntu mate is new to me
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[8:24] <UMGeek> would it be easier to try and get an ethernet connection and install that way?
[8:27] <lordievader> Yes.
[8:28] <UMGeek> the only feasable ethernet connection would be a virtual one from my mac to the Pi or an ethernet connection with the ones at my university, and they are a bitch to configure
[8:29] <UMGeek> i had lots of trouble configuring it in Raspbian, doing it in Ubuntu will be a nightmare
[8:29] <UMGeek> and there is no GUI, it's all command line
[8:31] <UMGeek> UGT?
[8:31] <UMGeek> nope, no bot..
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[9:43] <mazert> hello, I have some problem trying to jail an user using sftp to their home directory, and do not allowing him to nav everywhere on the filesystem.
[9:43] <mazert> i followed this tutorial : https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/limiting-access-with-sftp-jails-on-debian-and-ubuntu
[9:44] <mazert> but when i log on sftp, and i do a cd .. ; ls . I can go extra my home_dir, that is not i wanted :p
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[14:24] -holmes.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname...
[14:24] -holmes.freenode.net- *** Checking Ident
[14:24] -holmes.freenode.net- *** No Ident response
[14:24] -holmes.freenode.net- *** Found your hostname
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[14:24] * Topic is 'Raspbian -- Debian hard float for the Raspberry Pi: http://www.raspbian.org/ Logs at: http://plugwash.raspbian.org/logs/ looking for mirrors in asia, africa and south america'
[14:24] * Set by plugwash!~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::1a3 on Mon Dec 10 22:15:29 UTC 2012
[14:24] <hid3> Sorry, have to leave now. Will discuss about that later. I've dropped you a private message so you know how to contact me if urgent assistance if required. Will be back today, a bit later
[14:24] <plugwash> YEAH
[14:24] <Tachyon`> grrrr
[14:24] <plugwash> raspbianlogbot has just rejoined the channel
[14:24] <plugwash> that means the server is back up
[14:24] <lordievader> whoop whoop
[14:25] <Tachyon`> and that I get disturbed by intrusive notices to no purpose apparently.
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[14:32] <plugwash> Tachyon`, sending a notice to a channel is a perfectly reasonable way for a bot to announce itself, if your IRC client is implementing that more intrusively than a normal channel message that is your client's problem
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[15:21] -leguin.freenode.net- *** No Ident response
[15:21] -leguin.freenode.net- *** Found your hostname
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[15:22] * Set by plugwash!~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::1a3 on Mon Dec 10 22:15:29 UTC 2012
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[15:36] <rockstar_> I just added new user using useradd . But why it doesn't create new user's home directory? Any suggestion?
[15:37] <lordievader> rockstar_: Because you didn't tell it to?
[15:38] <lordievader> rockstar_: Read the man page of useradd ;)
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[15:38] <rockstar_> lordievader: according to blogs, it should create one when I create the user account.
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[15:38] <lordievader> rockstar_: That is adduser you are confused with.
[15:39] <lordievader> Like I said, read the man page.
[15:39] <rockstar_> lordievader: so maybe this blog is wrong? http://www.tecmint.com/add-users-in-linux/
[15:40] <lordievader> "The ‘adduser‘ is much similar to useradd command, because it is just a symbolic link to it." <-- that is wrong.
[15:41] <rockstar_> lordievader: ok, so it is not reliable. If I already created user account without home directory, would create one fix the problem?
[15:42] <lordievader> rockstar_: Creating a homedir you mean? Sure, don't forget to chown it to the new user.
[15:42] <rockstar_> lordievader: okay
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[16:21] <Ketamin> hello folks, got a problem w/ rpi update: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=803146#p803146
[16:21] <Ketamin> any hint appreciated
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[16:23] <Odie_> rockstar_: -m, --create-home
[16:23] <Odie_> Create the user's home directory if it does not exist. The files and directories contained in the skeleton directory (which
[16:23] <Odie_> can be defined with the -k option) will be copied to the home directory.
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[17:02] <Ketamin> Can anybody tell me the preferred way to report problems with the kernel like the one I mentioned/linked above? It might me specific, but defenitly related to the kernel since older kernels work for me.
[17:03] <Ketamin> I have trried www.raspberrypi.org/forums, though it didnt help.
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[17:04] <Ketamin> How should/can I contact the authors of rpi-update/kernels for teh pi?
[17:07] <Ketamin> i.e. "Hexxeh"
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[17:11] <Ketamin> I will open a new issue on github, please stop me if thats a wrong option. ;)
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[17:19] <Ketamin> this: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/issues/188
[17:19] <hid3> Okay
[17:19] <hid3> I'm back
[17:19] <hid3> so how're the matters with the archive server?
[17:20] <Ketamin> works again
[17:20] <hid3> oh, at least it's OK now
[17:20] <Ketamin> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=118277
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[17:59] <hid3> plugwash, so what are the requirements for the backup server? Should a physical server be devoted to that or is it OK the one which is one of the mirrors to be in that function?
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[18:28] <totalconfusion> Could someone please have a quick look at this code? - http://pastebin.ca/3109312
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[18:28] <totalconfusion> 3 buttons as inputs and a GPIO pin (4) that will constantly get 3.3v then when it starts going low, it should initiate a shutdown
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[18:39] <lordievader> totalconfusion: "sudo shutdown now -h" is not valid Python.
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[18:40] <totalconfusion> lordievader, thank you. how might I get the result I'm after then?
[18:40] <lordievader> totalconfusion: Use subprocess.
[18:40] <totalconfusion> does the rest of the code look like it'll work?
[18:41] <lordievader> If it ain't in the os module.
[18:43] <lordievader> totalconfusion: Please keep conversation in channel.
[18:44] <totalconfusion> Sorry I'm quite new to writing in Python. would something like this work in place of "sudo shutdown now -h"
[18:44] <totalconfusion> subprocess.call (sudo shutdown now -h)
[18:44] <lordievader> totalconfusion: https://docs.python.org/2/library/subprocess.html
[18:44] <totalconfusion> thank you kindly
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[18:48] <lordievader> Allways read documentation ;) Anytime someone shows you something smart, they have read the documentation.
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[18:52] <totalconfusion> lordievader, haha, yes something about teaching a man to fish :)
[18:54] <lordievader> Exactly ;)
[18:55] <totalconfusion> lordievader, is this looking any better? http://pastebin.ca/3109367
[18:56] <lordievader> totalconfusion: It's better. Is your user authorized to call 'sudo halt' without a password? Else this will fail.
[18:57] <totalconfusion> I was thinking about this. no the user will not be super
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[19:00] <lordievader> As it should not be.
[19:00] <totalconfusion> ?
[19:00] <lordievader> Though you can authorize your mortal user to perform that command.
[19:02] <totalconfusion> ok, I will look into that. is there perhaps another command that will shutdown without need for super user/password?
[19:04] <totalconfusion> also I'm about to jump into a book http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ - can you reccomend anything else or am I on the right track
[19:04] <lordievader> Meh, it might be possible through dbus. But it is easier to just modify the sudoers tab.
[19:04] <totalconfusion> thankyou lordievader I will do just that
[19:04] <lordievader> totalconfusion: Do the codecademy course on Python, then learn the rest by doing projects (and start with Python3 as soon as possible)
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[19:05] <totalconfusion> codeacademy. wonderful, I've used them before to learn some basic HTML and it was a great interface to learn on. thanks!
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[20:09] <rpi_check> it looks to me like raspbian.org is down.. any info on that?
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[20:30] <klem> It's up now for me
[20:30] <klem> err wait checked the wrong site...sorry
[20:30] <klem> nope raspbian.org is up too
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