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[0:00] <diederik> can you pastebin the output of dmesg and lsmod from your Pi?
[0:02] <diederik> you may want/need to remove the -2.fw file (first)
[0:02] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, http://ur1.ca/nu31r
[0:03] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, http://ur1.ca/nu31k
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[0:04] <diederik> in both the firmware gets loaded and also the same version, so that's good
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[0:05] <diederik> what does 'uname -a' say on your Pi?
[0:05] <thunderbirdtr> Linux raspberrypi 4.1.6+ #810 PREEMPT Tue Aug 18 15:19:58 BST 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux
[0:06] <diederik> and on your laptop?
[0:06] <thunderbirdtr> same
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[0:06] <thunderbirdtr> 4.1.6-201.fc22.x86_64
[0:06] <thunderbirdtr> so... (+) different
[0:07] <diederik> similar enough
[0:07] <thunderbirdtr> yeah
[0:07] <thunderbirdtr> just + and sub versions so same
[0:08] <diederik> if it was a (very) different kernel version then that could've explained it, but not now
[0:09] <diederik> Then I'm out of ideas. I suggest you make a post on raspberrypi.org/forums in the troubleshouting section
[0:09] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, okey thank you :)
[0:09] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, I'll...
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[0:10] <diederik> good luck
[0:10] <thunderbirdtr> thanks
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[0:12] <diederik> you should surely tell the USB ID, but it's probably a good idea to post/link to the dmesg and lsmod output as well.
[0:12] <diederik> Normally the more info others have, the better they can help you
[0:12] <thunderbirdtr> diederik,I'll re-check forum and googling before post
[0:12] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, I don't know maybe voltage problem
[0:12] <diederik> You REALLY should check that
[0:13] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, I checked and I ordered 2.1 A and 5 Volt
[0:13] <diederik> In the output I saw 'Hardware name: BCM2708' which is the Pi's hardware and power issues are a common problem
[0:13] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, yeah
[0:13] <diederik> but that's not what you're using now?
[0:14] <thunderbirdtr> I have old one and new one
[0:14] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, we worked on old one Rs-pi B v1
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[0:15] <diederik> on the Pi 1B+ the power part has improved, so I wouldn't be surprised if the power is the problem here. But 2.1A on 5V should be enough/plenty.
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[0:16] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, that one is very first gen
[0:16] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, so could be the problem
[0:16] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, I know next one and then 1GB one too just when I found my adapter in house give shot for make it work
[0:17] <thunderbirdtr> well seems like I need to find solution or back to cable
[0:17] <diederik> especially combined with a not-so-good power supply, like the one from a phone
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[0:17] <thunderbirdtr> diederik, I'm getting power directly from source
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[0:17] <thunderbirdtr> so It should be okey
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[0:17] <diederik> not sure what you mean here
[0:18] <thunderbirdtr> I mean "plug" 5V/2.1
[0:18] <diederik> I'm not talking about powering it through a mobile phone, but about a mobile phone charger (cable) used as power supply for the Pi
[0:18] <thunderbirdtr> I know I know
[0:18] <diederik> ah ok. then that shouldn't be the problem
[0:18] <thunderbirdtr> yeap
[0:18] <thunderbirdtr> not phone cable stuff
[0:19] <thunderbirdtr> that one is custom made for stable power source
[0:19] <thunderbirdtr> It's very fine...
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[1:59] <diederik> tuvok: the package version for wheezy and jessie will not change since they're (old)stable. The only changes permitted to a (old)stable release are security fixes.
[1:59] <diederik> Thus if you want kodi 15.1, you have to upgrade to stretch
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[4:46] <tuvok> diederik stretch have also not this package :( ... i found this on http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/k/kodi/ but i have no idea why i can not see the package under apt-get
[4:48] <tuvok> and when i will install the package manual with dpkg i have other many problems with other packages
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[4:57] <vagrantc> tuvok: it's almost surely targeted at a newer release
[4:58] <vagrantc> kodi is Debian stretch is 15.1+dfsg1-3
[4:59] <vagrantc> so it's probably built for raspbian's work-in-progress stretch release...
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[5:10] <tuvok> vagrantc what can i do to get the newest?
[5:10] <tuvok> the 14.2 have problems
[5:10] <tuvok> https://paste.debian.net/312809/
[5:10] <tuvok> on stretch the same
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[5:13] <tuvok> on #kodi they say all systems ..arch, osmc, openelec, xbian work fine but raspian nothing :>
[5:15] <vagrantc> well, learn how to compile and build debian packages, or maybe raspbian isn't the best thing for you at the moment if all you want is a newer version of kodi.
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[5:15] <tuvok> hm
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[7:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[8:53] <Chetic> I have 0 displays in /tmp/.X11-unix. How can I create/get one?
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[8:59] <M`vy> I don't either
[9:00] <M`vy> Do you have an X11 server running ?
[9:00] <M`vy> lordievader: Good morning too
[9:00] <lordievader> o/
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[9:03] <Chetic> M`vy: started X and that created one. But I was really just trying to start X applications over SSH, and that turned out to work if I set DISPLAY=:10 (ssh uses an offset of 10)
[9:06] <M`vy> You also have to have the allow forward X11 thingy in sshd config
[9:06] <M`vy> I was not aware of that offset. Maybe it's recent
[9:07] <Chetic> maybe it's just for my sshd_config, which says "X11DisplayOffset 10"
[9:07] <M`vy> Oh :)
[9:07] <lordievader> An offset of 10 is quite normal.
[9:13] <Chetic> how come ssh doesn't set the environment variable for me though?
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[9:15] <lordievader> Chetic: ssh -Y should do that.
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[9:33] <Chetic> lordievader: it does not
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[9:56] <at0m> Chetic: ssh -X for forwarding? ssh -X pi epiphany
[9:58] <Chetic> I think it's because I run everything in a screen session
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[10:03] <at0m> Chetic: ah, screen can have settings from when it was started
[10:03] <at0m> when started in X on the pi, display will be :0
[10:03] <lordievader> -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding. Trusted X11 forwardings are not subjected to the X11 SECURITY extension controls.
[10:03] <at0m> if you
[10:03] <at0m> err
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[10:04] <at0m> if you ssh -X (or -Y) then start screen, display will be :10
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[10:04] <at0m> throughout all screen windows
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[10:30] <zGrr> moin :)
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[10:39] <Chetic> at0m: I'm running screen 24/7 though to keep for example irc alive
[10:40] <at0m> +1
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[10:40] <at0m> didnt know about ssh -Y, usually i just launch -X outside of screen
[10:41] <lordievader> -Y should make some things easier.
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[10:45] <ansgar> ssh -X and -Y do the same on Debian by default.
[10:47] <at0m> ansgar: not in man ssh
[10:47] <at0m> -Y is "trusted"
[10:47] <at0m> -X will work until X cookie fail
[10:48] <ansgar> at0m: /usr/share/doc/openssh-client/README.Debian.gz: OpenSSH 3.8 invented ForwardX11Trusted[...] The Debian package therefore sets the default for this option to "yes"
[10:48] <at0m> hmm
[10:49] <at0m> oh didnt read far enough, there's debian-specific paragraph
[10:49] <at0m> sorry, and thanks :)
[10:50] <ansgar> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/08/msg00320.html also mentions that the X security extension is more or less unusable.
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[11:04] <pere> shiftplusone: around?
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[11:48] <teetch> sawp
[11:49] <teetch> have trouble enabling spi on my pi 2
[11:49] <teetch> used raspi-config to enable it
[11:49] <teetch> but when i run lsmod I don't see any spi
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> that's ok.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> what does ls -l /dev/spi* give?
[11:52] <teetch> no such file or directory
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> did you enable device tree at the same time in raspi-config?
[11:53] <teetch> i just enabled it and restarted my pi
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> basically you need device tree on + spi on in raspi-config, OR, both OFF then manually load the module.
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[11:54] <teetch> in my /boot/config.txt i have dtparam=spi=on
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> it still needs to make sure device tree is enabled.
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[11:58] <teetch> like so? dtoverlay=spi-bcm2835
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> I have:
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> dtparam=spi=on
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> dtparam=i2c=off
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> #device_tree=
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> on a pi and the SPI driver is loaded and I can access it:
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi ~/wiringPi/examples $ ls -l /dev/spi*
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> crw-rw---T 1 root spi 153, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/spidev0.0
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> crw-rw---T 1 root spi 153, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/spidev0.1
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> /proc/device-tree exists, so it's a dev-tree kernel.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> and the module is in the output of lsmod:
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi ~/wiringPi/examples $ lsmod | grep spi
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> spi_bcm2835 7980 0
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> #
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> Ah, /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf has the spi module commented out.
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> maybe that's it for you?
[12:02] <teetch> i've commented out the spi module in the blacklist
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> you could always try: sudo modprobe spi_bcm2835
[12:04] <teetch> should it return anything?
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> no, but now check lsmod and /dev/spi*
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[12:08] <teetch> lsmod returns spi_bcm2835 Used By 0
[12:08] <teetch> and ls still gives me the same error
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I am slightly confused at this point.
[12:09] <teetch> you and me both
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> however I have seen issues with the device tree enabled (and not enabled).
[12:09] <teetch> should i disable both
[12:09] <teetch> reboot and enable both?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> maybe, but in these modern days both should be enabled.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> I'd enable both via raspi-config and reboot.
[12:10] <teetch> will give it a try
[12:10] <teetch> hmm strange
[12:11] <teetch> when i enable spi in raspi-config
[12:11] <teetch> it returns an error
[12:11] <teetch> could not insert 'spi_bcm2708': no such device
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying to work this one out myself too - so that I can do the right thing in the gpio program (part of wiringPi)
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> it's confused me since day 1 of devTree )-:
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[12:14] <teetch> weird
[12:15] <teetch> brb
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[12:19] <diederik> tuvok: you have stretch in your /etc/apt/sources.list and ran apt-get update?
[12:21] <diederik> I think you should forget about trying to backport kodi to jessie. One of the indirect dependencies is on libstdc++6 > 5.2.
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[12:22] <diederik> That means you'd have to upgrade most of the core/essential packages on the system, thus a full upgrade to stretch would be wiser
[12:26] <tuvok> diederik yes
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[12:27] <tuvok> diederik i have make apt-get update apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade
[12:27] <tuvok> rpi-update
[12:28] <diederik> I just added stretch to my sources.list and did an aptitude update and then I get this: https://paste.debian.net/312858/
[12:31] <diederik> ah wait ... you're right.
[12:32] <diederik> according to apt-cache policy the version in stretch is 14.2: https://paste.debian.net/312859/
[12:33] <diederik> plugwash: ^^
[12:33] <diederik> not sure if the last message has any effect (as he's not online right now) ...
[12:34] <tuvok> the newest is 15.1
[12:34] <tuvok> stable
[12:34] <tuvok> ant 16. is in alpha
[12:34] <tuvok> the people on #kodi say to me many peoples have this problem
[12:35] <tuvok> and they say to me i must say the raspian devel.. they must do his work :D
[12:35] <diederik> since 15.1 is in Debian stretch that _should_ have meant that it should also be available in raspbian.
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[12:35] <tuvok> diederik yes
[12:35] <tuvok> but i can not found this with apt-get
[12:35] <tuvok> on this http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/k/kodi/ <- is the package online but i can not install this with dpkg -i
[12:36] <tuvok> other packages have problems
[12:36] <diederik> But apparently something went wrong and plugwash is the one who can fix that. Hence me mentioning his name
[12:36] <teetch> back
[12:36] <tuvok> hm okey
[12:37] <tuvok> but plugwash is not on irc?
[12:37] <diederik> not right now
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[12:37] <tuvok> hm :/
[12:37] <tuvok> !seen plugwash
[12:37] <tuvok> hm
[12:38] <tuvok> shit :()
[12:38] <tuvok> :(
[12:38] <diederik> don't worry he will come online, just don't know when that will be (he's rather busy afaik)
[12:38] <tuvok> hm
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[12:45] <tuvok> diederik i thin i must wait a long time :>
[12:45] <tuvok> think...
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[14:34] <Earthnail> Hi there. I have a problem with my regular on-board LAN interface (Pi B+). Using raspbian jessie. Looks like my eth0 interface doesn't exist. Any hints on how to debug that?
[14:35] <Earthnail> ifconfig -a lists an eth1 device instead. Looks to me like the numbering changed, but stuff like dhclient or networking all expect it to be on eth0.
[14:36] <diederik> 'rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' and reboot
[14:37] <Earthnail> diederik: thanks. That was fast.
[14:37] <diederik> may have seen the issue a couple of times in the past ;)
[14:38] <Earthnail> diederik: :D. Works. Thanks a lot. When googling your solution, I also find the corresponding SO post with the explanation. Seems like I didn't use the right keywords before when googling.
[14:38] <diederik> SO?
[14:38] <Earthnail> (SO post is http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/26155/cloning-sd-card-causes-interface-eth0-does-not-exist)
[14:40] <diederik> it also pops up when you install the system in one Pi and then move the SD card over to another
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[14:53] <Earthnail> Another question: networking.service takes very long to boot. systemd-analyze critical-chain gives the following output: http://hastebin.com/azicaxefin.py
[14:55] <diederik> I've noticed it too, but don't know what to do about it
[14:55] <Earthnail> Here is the corresponding journalctl output: http://hastebin.com/iwekidiyoy.vhdl . What's not visible in the logs is that during boot, I see a message "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces. (15s / no limit)
[14:56] <Earthnail> I was wondering if IPv6 might be a problem
[14:58] <diederik> you could try blacklisting it and see if that makes a difference
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[15:07] <Earthnail> diederik: I blacklisted it as described in https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 , but that didn't make a difference.
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[15:08] <Earthnail> diederik: interestingly, I had a regular raspbian jessie installation on another card, and that one boots really quickly. My raspbian mini image (created via a netinstall) takes much longer to boot. Which is kinda counterintuitive, right?
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[15:09] <diederik> I have seen massive differences from one boot to another
[15:09] <diederik> But it could also be the kernel, so you could try experimenting with that
[15:10] <Earthnail> diederik: indeed, I can confirm the differences
[15:10] <Earthnail> diederik: re: kernel, yeah, that's true
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[15:53] <Earthnail> Anybody had luck using an RTC on Jessie? I'm trying for two days now; followed instructions at https://gist.github.com/h0tw1r3/11191428 and https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=692662#p692662 , but I still have the problem that the RTC's content gets corrupted on reboot. It shows a date in 2066.
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[16:15] <diederik> Earthnail: if you installed with the net installer, then fake-hwclock gets installed which may interfere with RTC
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[16:16] <Earthnail> diederik: I already uninstalled fake-hwclock. I'm trying a newer kernel right now
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[16:20] <diederik> what does uname -a say?
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[16:20] <diederik> or put another way: did you install with the net installer?
[16:21] <diederik> if so, see https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/219
[16:33] <Earthnail> diederik: uname -a used to say 3.18.6 (I think), now it says 4.1.6+. The devicetree overlays finally work. The RTC also doesn't reset to date 2066 anymore
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[16:36] <diederik> do you use wheezy or jessie?
[16:36] <diederik> and Pi1 or Pi2?
[16:37] <Earthnail> Jessie, Pi1 B+.
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[16:38] <Earthnail> Actually, I just got the error again, it just reset to date 2066.
[16:38] <diederik> what does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi' say?
[16:38] <Earthnail> When rebooting, everything went fine for a couple of times though (I just got the 2066 error again, but before it worked). When unplugging, though it resets to year 2000. I've tried three different (but equal) DS3231 modules, just to make sure it's not a hardware thing (battery empty). It doesn't even store the time for 2 seconds when the power chord is unplugged.
[16:38] <diederik> I'm mainly interesting in the +rpiXX part of installed and candidate
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[16:39] <Earthnail> both rpi16
[16:39] <diederik> ok, thanks.
[16:39] <Earthnail> 3.18.5-1~exp1+rpi16
[16:39] <diederik> I just installed a wheezy system on a Pi1 B and there I got +rpi19, which does have a lot more rtc modules
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[16:40] <Earthnail> well, I'm on kernel 4.1.6 now, so that's fine.
[16:41] <Earthnail> seems like I can prevent the 2066 error with the scripts from https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=692662#p692662 .
[16:41] <diederik> true. But something seems to be fishy with the archive and this info helps me to pin it down
[16:41] <Earthnail> However, the clock is still reset to 2000 when I unplug the power chord. Which is really, well, stupid.
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[16:42] <diederik> indeed.
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[16:45] <Earthnail> I saw online that allegedly, the clock can be connected both to the 3.3V and 5V pins. I wonder if I should try the 5V one...
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[16:46] <diederik> I know pretty much nothing about those things, so hopefully someone who does responds ...
[16:48] <Earthnail> trial and error ;). At least I have a spare one...
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[16:49] <Earthnail> same error at 5V. This is so... weird.
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[17:11] <tuvok> hm is the P1 B+ and P2 B the same case?
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[23:24] <inomo> In my sources mirror I can see multiple versions of an application, yet in aptitude it doesn't
[23:24] <inomo> Mirror/application: http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/q/qbittorrent/
[23:25] <shiftplusone> different release
[23:25] <shiftplusone> you'll see wheezy, jessie and stretch packages all in one place on the server
[23:32] <inomo> Right, thanks
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