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IRC Log for 2015-09-26

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[1:12] <GreeningGalaxy> hey, I just upgraded from raspbian wheezy to jessie, and all my kernel modules appear to be broken. none of them will load on boot or manually with modprobe/insmod, and I suspect this is because their directories in /lib/modules are called 4.1.7, while my kernel version is 3.18.11
[1:13] <GreeningGalaxy> can anyone give me an idea of why this might've happened and what I can do to fix it?
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[1:14] <vagrantc> dpkg -l 'linux-*' | grep ^ii
[1:15] <vagrantc> should tell you waht kernel packages you have installed
[1:15] <GreeningGalaxy> linux-libc-dev:armhf 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4+rpi1 armhf Linux support headers for userspace development
[1:15] * vagrantc wonders where the kernel comes from then
[1:16] <vagrantc> raspberrypi.org images do hackish things with the kernel.
[1:16] <vagrantc> as do dozens of other images...
[1:16] <GreeningGalaxy> couldn't say. I have yet to do a single successful upgrade of debian versions, it's not really something I'm good at
[1:17] <GreeningGalaxy> probably I just need to reinstall with wheezy and be done with it here, but I'd like to keep with jessie if it's possible
[1:20] <GreeningGalaxy> so is there some package I should install that will populate /lib/modules with ones of the right version number, or...?
[1:22] <vagrantc> apt-cache search ^linux-image
[1:23] <vagrantc> then you may have to copy /boot/vmlinuz-x.y.z to /boot/kernel.img or /boot/somethingorother/kernel.img
[1:23] <vagrantc> ditto for initrd-x.y.z
[1:23] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm, alright
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[1:24] <vagrantc> i don't use the images, so i don't much know how they do it ...
[1:24] <GreeningGalaxy> what do you use?
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[1:25] <vagrantc> i manually build an image with debootstrap usually
[1:25] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
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[1:25] * vagrantc wonders if https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/ is still in working order
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[1:26] <vagrantc> some recent activity, at least...
[1:26] <GreeningGalaxy> what's the copying of vmlinuz and stuff do?
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[1:27] <GreeningGalaxy> I told it to grab the package "linux-image-rpi-rpfv - This metapackage will pull in the raspbian kernel for the raspberry pi 1" and it's doing that now, no questions asked
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[1:31] <vagrantc> good choice.
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[1:31] <vagrantc> that's basically a build of the raspberry pi foundation kernel but done with better packaging...
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[1:32] <GreeningGalaxy> also copied /boot/vmlinuz-whatever to /boot/kernel.img, backing up the original kernel.img to kernel.old
[1:32] <GreeningGalaxy> ah, ok
[1:32] <GreeningGalaxy> woo, lsmod is no longer empty!
[1:32] <GreeningGalaxy> thanks
[1:32] <vagrantc> ah, it matches your running kernel?
[1:33] <GreeningGalaxy> guess so
[1:34] <vagrantc> did you reboot?
[1:34] <GreeningGalaxy> yes
[1:34] <GreeningGalaxy> it's changed to 3.18.0-trunk-rpi in uname -a now
[1:34] <GreeningGalaxy> and I can scan networks with the wifi adapter, so that's also a new thing
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[1:35] <vagrantc> glad it's working now ...
[1:35] <GreeningGalaxy> (wicd doesnt work, but that's a different kettle of fish)
[1:35] <vagrantc> wonder what left it in such a bad state
[1:36] <GreeningGalaxy> dunno. I'd hoped doing the upgrade to jessie from a clean install of wheezy would make it go more smoothly, but I still ended up with broken stuff left and right that had to be dealt with
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[1:37] <GreeningGalaxy> ended up with lightdm trying to start on boot, failing, and bricking the system, so I plugged the card into my laptop and uninstalled lightdm from proot
[1:39] <GreeningGalaxy> not sure when display managers even became a thing on the raspi, but there it is
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[1:53] <diederik> GreeningGalaxy's kernel version 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 seems to come from upstream debian, the only strange part is +rpi1
[1:53] <GreeningGalaxy> huh
[1:53] <diederik> uname -a on my debian jessie server: Linux cknowsvr01 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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[1:55] <diederik> vagrantc asked you for the output of "dpkg -l 'linux-*' | grep ^ii" and you gave "3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4+rpi1" as response
[1:55] <diederik> are you running a Pi 2?
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[1:56] <GreeningGalaxy> nope, pi 1 model B
[1:57] <GreeningGalaxy> dpkg -l 'linux-*' | grep '^ii' now looks like this - http://pastebin.com/b7KCZwby
[1:57] <diederik> then I have no idea where you got your kernel from
[1:57] <GreeningGalaxy> alright then
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[1:58] <diederik> the linux-image-rpi-rpfv and linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi do look very familiar :)
[1:58] <vagrantc> diederik: it was linux-libc-dev ... which is probably just a rebuild of Debian's linux package
[1:58] <GreeningGalaxy> I just downloaded the wheezy image from the site, dd'd it to an SD card, booted it up, did the usual apt-get update/upgrades, and then just switched wheezy to jessie in apt/sources.list and went ahead with dist-upgrade(s)
[1:58] <vagrantc> well, linux source package.
[1:58] <diederik> I'm guessing that now too, just started up my Pi 1B to check
[2:01] <diederik> that is odd; normally ppl only have linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-rpi when they use raspbian-ua-netinst
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[2:01] <diederik> not impossible, but otherwise it should've a deliberate action (afaik)
[2:01] <vagrantc> maybe someone built an image out of raspbian-ua-netinst?
[2:02] <vagrantc> out of an install, that is
[2:02] <diederik> that could be
[2:02] <GreeningGalaxy> I didn't look at what it was before I started the upgrade, but I wouldn't be surprised if something weird happened during that process
[2:02] <diederik> GreeningGalaxy: from which site did you download the image?
[2:03] <GreeningGalaxy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[2:04] <diederik> linux-libc-dev from the raspbian.org mirrors is indeed 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4+rpi1
[2:04] <diederik> (on jessie)
[2:06] <diederik> then I'm stumped as to how that kernel got installed. The raspberrypi.org foundation does not use them afaik.
[2:06] <diederik> vagrantc: raspbian-ua-netinst should still work ;)
[2:07] <diederik> it was quite on the development from because I didn't have much time and _very_ few issues were reported
[2:08] <diederik> s/from/front/
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[2:11] <diederik> on the raspberrypi.org images, the kernel (and firmware) come from the raspberrypi-bootloader package
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[2:39] <NigMaster> Greetings! :)
[2:40] <NigMaster> After some advice please.
[2:40] <NigMaster> I have a Raspberry PI2 + 3.5" LCD screen.
[2:40] <NigMaster> Can someone suggest a good SD image to use that will worl with the LCD
[2:41] <NigMaster> I want the PI2 to be a media streamer for our LAN. Like plug a USB TV dongle into it and have other PC's on the LAN be able to watch live TV and recorded TV.
[2:41] <NigMaster> Recomendations please?
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[3:35] <NigMaster> Anyone actually here?
[3:40] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, I'm here, I just don't know how to answer your question intelligently
[3:40] <GreeningGalaxy> I can try, though. How is your screen connected? GPIO?
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[4:08] <NigMaster> OK. Plugs into the top of the PI2 via all the pins that stick up.
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[4:09] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, the GPIO port. I imagine the official raspbian images will work fine for that.
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[4:09] <GreeningGalaxy> but I don't know, I've never used one of those.
[4:10] <NigMaster> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-5-inch-B-B-LCD-Touch-Screen-Display-Module-320-x-480-F-Raspberry-Pi-V3-0-OK-/252027846808
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[4:10] <NigMaster> It's this one.
[4:11] <GreeningGalaxy> is that just a resell of one of the ones from adafruit, or some kind of custom thing?
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[4:12] <NigMaster> It's got adafruit 3.0 on the back I think.
[4:13] <NigMaster> I installed this.
[4:13] <NigMaster> 2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezy-pitft35r.img
[4:13] <NigMaster> But it only comoes up on the HDMI
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[4:13] <NigMaster> And it gets stuck at fbtft_of_value: fps = 20
[4:14] <NigMaster> And goes no further.
[4:14] <GreeningGalaxy> you might need to do something extra to configure it. tried googling already, I presume?
[4:14] <NigMaster> Yep
[4:14] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
[4:14] <NigMaster> I thought maybe I could SSH into it. But I can't seem to find it's IP.
[4:15] <GreeningGalaxy> found this? https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/software-installation
[4:15] <GreeningGalaxy> well, if it doesn't finish booting, you probably won't be able to ssh in.
[4:16] <NigMaster> Yea. That's what I thought too.
[4:17] <NigMaster> I think that site is where I got the image from.
[4:18] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm afraid I need to go to bed now; stuff to do tomorrow. I may be back about this time tomorrow, though, on the off chance you haven't found someone with actual experience by then.
[4:18] <GreeningGalaxy> good luck, anyway.
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[4:23] <NigMaster> Thanks.
[4:23] <NigMaster> Yea I'm going out tonight so I will get at it again tomorrow.
[4:23] <NigMaster> Or late tonight.
[4:23] <NigMaster> Getting on the Piss at the Pub
[4:24] <NigMaster> I will walk home soon and get the Aldi USB TV dongle to try with it also.
[4:24] <NigMaster> Thanks.
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[8:58] <Guest95734> Lets say option 1] a 5 inch lcd with touch screen or option 2] small oled display + buttons/joystick for user input I know option 2 is will bw bwwtter for battery option but what about writing Ui for option 1 and 2 . What do i have to use to write UI? I can figure out how to load it on boot. What are my options? Any examples?
[9:01] <Guest95734> also I am sticking with debian but should i go arch or something else?
[9:02] <Guest95734> no exp with arch+ rasp
[9:02] <Odie_> personally I don't think there is not much difference between distros
[9:02] <Odie_> if you have the packages you need with the one that you have, why swap
[9:03] <Guest95734> yes. i tam thinking smae
[9:03] <Guest95734> what about Ui but.
[9:03] <Guest95734> what do I use for Ui
[9:03] <Odie_> I hate touch based ui's
[9:03] <Odie_> but I don't know what you are trying to do with yours
[9:03] <Guest95734> yah but if I am using oled how do I write Ui . No exp with oleds
[9:04] <Odie_> errm
[9:04] <Odie_> ui is ui
[9:04] <Odie_> connecting your display to raspberry is different thing
[9:04] <Odie_> nothing to do with the ui
[9:04] <Guest95734> Ahh yes.
[9:04] <Odie_> or are you thinking of just generic display to run xserver with
[9:05] <Guest95734> i was thinking xserver
[9:06] <Guest95734> start xserver autolog in to user and run fullscreen app
[9:06] <Guest95734> or something like that
[9:07] <Odie_> then I'd suggest you to take a display that is supported by that
[9:07] <Odie_> that can run xserver with the pi
[9:08] <Odie_> easy way is to have display that connects to the video out or hdmi ports
[9:08] <Odie_> then its nothing special
[9:08] <Odie_> but for displays that you'd connect to gpio, you'd need to have special drivers (I have no idea if there are some that are supported or not)
[9:08] <Odie_> alternative is to write your own application that runs the display
[9:09] <Guest95734> yah that will be painful
[9:09] <Odie_> depends on what you want, but yes
[9:10] <Odie_> especially if you want to run x11 apps on it, then it'll be very painful
[9:10] <Odie_> (unless you find someone who has already done something close to that)
[9:13] <Guest95734> yes. I think i need to investigate this some more. If oled stuff is not painfull i will that way. but right now using hdm looks really nice. what about the diplay port. cant we connect lcd there directly? may be it wont run x11
[9:14] <Odie_> I think there was display published for raspberry
[9:14] <Odie_> maybe that would be best option_
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[9:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[9:16] <Odie_> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-eagerly-awaited-raspberry-pi-display/
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[9:21] <Guest95734> hmm
[9:22] <Guest95734> now i see why everyone use hdmi
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[9:32] <Guest95734> kivy looks nice
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[13:34] <sine`> If I get a pi2 and just swap the sdcard over will it work as normal
[13:34] <sine`> i have a b+ atm
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[14:13] <Chomie22> Hi newbie here, is there anyone who can help me get my hplaser 1000 running for raspberry pi thanks
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[17:32] <work_alkisg> Hi, minecraft shows 10 FPS on dual core PCs, is minecraft for PI playable, and if so how? Is it a reimplementation without java?
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[17:56] <sine`> W: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org'
[17:56] <sine`> i have tried to get this locally too, and its 404
[18:00] <sine`> seems I have changed my soures.list now
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[18:42] <forestjohnson> Hi all, I'm trying to install node.js on my pi. looks like mirrordirector.raspbian.org is down
[18:42] <mybalzitch> yep
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[18:43] <forestjohnson> any advice on how to use a different mirror or get around this issue ?
[18:44] <forestjohnson> im new if you cant tell :)
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[18:44] <JessicaRN> hey folks, is there a decent toturial of the boot order after kernel load out there?
[18:44] <mybalzitch> either wait for them to fix it, or substitute a mirror for mirrordirector.rasbian.org in your sources.list
[18:45] <JessicaRN> I don't need the low order hardward stuff.
[18:45] <JessicaRN> just the stuff following the kernel
[18:46] <JessicaRN> Also, in wpa_supplicant, what would be the syntax to connect to -any- open wifi?
[18:47] <forestjohnson> im on a web irc thing and I cant tell if it is sending the messages
[18:47] <forestjohnson> thanks -- /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:47] <JessicaRN> forestjohnson: i see them
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[19:13] <tcpie> Hi all! It seems to me that mirrordirector.raspbian.org is down... (confirmed by www.isup.me .) Any way I can work around this so I can use apt-get?
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[19:22] <sine`> tcpie: I posted the same
[19:22] <sine`> change the sources.list
[19:22] <sine`> #deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main firmware
[19:22] <sine`> deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.raspbian.org/archive/raspbian wheezy main firmware
[19:23] <sine`> /etc/apt/sources.list
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[19:27] <tcpie> sine`: thank you!, it seems to be working now
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[19:40] <fred1807> Could not resolve 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org'
[19:41] <mybalzitch> yeah its broken for everyone
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[19:46] <fred1807> sine workaround dont work form me...
[19:46] <fred1807> any other workaround ?
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[19:54] <fred1807> a workaround for the workaround
[19:55] <fred1807> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian is down :(
[19:55] <mybalzitch> we know
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[20:01] <fred1807> how do I avoid mirror list and go to a defined server?
[20:02] <mybalzitch> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[20:02] <fred1807> http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.raspbian.org/archive/raspbian/ as sugested by sine doenst seem to work
[20:02] <mybalzitch> works for me (tm)
[20:02] <fred1807> can you pastebin your sources.list ?
[20:03] <mybalzitch> I dont run raspbian sorry
[20:04] <valdur55> Hello, i reinstalled my raspbian at sunday and i can't get epiphany-browser working. It seg faults after site opening. Using epiphany 3.8.2.0-0rpi21rpi1 (installed from archive.raspberrypi.org). I am using http://raspbian.insideelectronics.co.uk/raspbian/ for other source and it gives 3.4.2-2.1
[20:04] <fred1807> this is my sources.list right now http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hb68maEC
[20:05] <mybalzitch> you need wheezy main after the url
[20:05] <valdur55> add it end of url: wheezy main firmware
[20:07] <valdur55> maybe add non-free also
[20:08] <fred1807> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=22j6RKVY
[20:08] <fred1807> not working yet
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[20:09] <valdur55> erros ?
[20:09] <fred1807> Reading state information... Done .... E: Unable to locate package gdebi-core
[20:09] <valdur55> you need to do: apt-get update
[20:10] <fred1807> i see
[20:11] <valdur55> and maybe keep http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian at list ;)
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[20:12] <fred1807> $apt-get surf leads to: The following packages have unmet dependencies: surf : Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.26.1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (>= 1.3.10) but it is not going to be installed
[20:13] <valdur55> yes. uncomment second line
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[20:16] <fred1807> what seccond line?
[20:16] <fred1807> from my sources?
[20:16] <valdur55> fred1807: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
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[22:01] <nickthatisnotreg> can somebody help. i want to install raspbian server to my raspberry pi 2. projects faq did not even mention the raspi2 and there is nothing about rpi1/rpi2 on images page
[22:01] <nickthatisnotreg> so does all images support both versions? i tried one but it did not booted
[22:07] <mlrds> nick - i think all versions of rpi are supported
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[22:07] <mlrds> i use this to load raspbian: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[22:08] <nickthatisnotreg> hmm. i tried one image and it booted only in rpi1b+
[22:09] <nickthatisnotreg> but thanks for the link. ill try it
[22:09] <mlrds> its slick, just use linux/mac to copy the .IMG file to the sd card
[22:09] <mlrds> then boot --- everything else comes from the internet
[22:10] <mlrds> you can dump a file called "installer-config.txt
[22:10] <mlrds> to customize the initial install, but that's optional
[22:11] <nickthatisnotreg> okay. thx. but this is minimal right? it does not install x?
[22:11] <nickthatisnotreg> okay
[22:11] <mlrds> yes, that's a very minimal install
[22:11] <mlrds> i've never used mine as desktops, so not sure how to install that
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[22:23] <nickthatisnotreg> one more question: where the "installer-config" file should be?
[22:23] <nickthatisnotreg> i mounted the sd card and there is no such file
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[22:23] <mlrds> you must create it
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[22:24] <nickthatisnotreg> just touch it?
[22:24] <mlrds> by streaming the image to the sd card, it should have created a fat partition
[22:24] <mlrds> the file isnt required
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[22:25] <nickthatisnotreg> okay. i found the example of that file
[22:25] <mlrds> yep, it's fairly simple ... hostname=mypi
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[22:26] <nickthatisnotreg> yes. if i create it should there be every field filled
[22:26] <nickthatisnotreg> or can i just fill part of it
[22:26] <mlrds> it will use defaults if you dont specific
[22:26] <mlrds> just parts will work
[22:26] <nickthatisnotreg> okay. thx
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[22:30] <nickthatisnotreg> yep, it boots. thank you very much
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