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[0:00] <fabrizziop> hey guys, I'm having a huge problem and can't find a solution
[0:01] <fabrizziop> if I hook up both my computer and the raspberry pi to a router (they both have static IPs) I can connect via ssh to the rpi
[0:01] <fabrizziop> but hooking them up directly will cause a failure. My PC won't even ping the rpi
[0:01] <fabrizziop> they both have identical netmasks and ips under the same network
[0:01] <fabrizziop> what could be the cause?
[0:02] <fabrizziop> and fyi I just tried the same setup between two desktops and they can ping each other
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[0:07] <fabrizziop|2> any ideas on that?
[0:07] <fabrizziop|2> don't know if you got my earlier messages...
[0:07] <fabrizziop|2> ?'
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[1:04] <Fenhl> hello, I'm trying to finish setting up my pi but I no longer have access to a mouse. Is there a way to enable mouse keys via the command line or using keyboard shortcuts?
[1:05] <ppq> you can do everything by keyboard
[1:05] <ppq> both in terminal dialogues and in X GUIs
[1:06] <ppq> in X, use alt+tab to switch through windows. with tab you can switch through buttons or even links on a webpage.
[1:07] <ppq> and use the arrow keys of course
[1:07] <ppq> with alt+f2 you can run applications
[1:07] <Fenhl> alt+f2 doesn't seem to do anything
[1:07] <Fenhl> I tried that
[1:09] <ppq> try ctrl+escape for the menu
[1:09] <ppq> start a terminal from there, just in case
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[1:10] <ppq> ctrl+alt+t should also launch a terminal
[1:12] <Fenhl> actually I just noticed that autologin logs me into the pi user, but I want to login as a different user so I switched it to desktop without autologin
[1:12] <Fenhl> and now it just displays another login screen whenever I enter the correct user/password combo
[1:13] <Fenhl> oh, but logging in as pi works
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[1:15] <Fenhl> ctrl+esc works, but ctrl+alt+t doesn't
[1:16] <Fenhl> makes me wonder if the alt key is misconfigured
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[1:18] <Fenhl> oh right I set it up to input alternate characters to match my German hardware keyboard
[1:18] <ppq> i use the caps lock key for that
[1:21] <Fenhl> okay, remapped to use right alt only, now alt+f2 works too
[1:24] <Fenhl> ctrl+alt+t still doesn't do anything
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[1:38] <Fenhl> after a reboot, the login screen loops back into itself even if I try to login as pi
[1:40] <Fenhl> not even setting it to desktop autologin via raspi-config works
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[1:43] <Fenhl> any ideas what might be causing this?
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[2:29] <AHemlocksLie> Can anyone point me towards some resources for setting up transmission-daemon on Raspbian so a remote client can connect via SSL? I've tried working what guides I can find, and I managed to get it to access the web GUI via HTTPS, but I can't get a secure connection in a client. I've got lighttpd for HTTPS.
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[5:49] <anunnaki> is it easy to switch from systemd to sysvinit?
[5:49] <anunnaki> my file sharing isnt working now that i upgraded to jessie and it installed systemd
[5:51] <anunnaki> started samba /etc/init.d/samba start.. keep forgetting im using systemd and it starts teh services thru systemctl anyway. but when i went to try starting them services samba start it tell sme samba.service is masked. so googling that brought me to a bunch of threads saying its a bug debian
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[10:22] <spm_draget> diederik: I suggested it in the #debian channel, let's see what they say. But I have no wiki account, cannot edit it myself
[10:23] <diederik> ok, just joined that channel.
[10:25] <diederik> my only experience with swap is on my host system (for suspend/hibernate) on which it is a partition. So never tried to look at its contents
[10:26] <diederik> I never enabled/used swap on my Pi(s)
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[10:26] <spm_draget> I fell for this very same problem some years ago… big company server… swap file with world-readable permissions (on gentoo tho).
[10:26] <spm_draget> And some day a co-worker along wiht my boss joined my office and said: I was able to read interesting stuff from your servers memory…
[10:26] <spm_draget> xD
[10:27] <diederik> ah ok, so it's not a hypothetical issue. Nice :-)
[10:27] <spm_draget> Luckily my boss is cool about it and it was just a co-worker.
[10:27] <spm_draget> Not sure if debian has any other means of making sure swap is secure… but on gentoo, it did happen to me.
[10:27] <spm_draget> And in my raspbian I just tested 'strings /swap' with world-readable set.
[10:28] <diederik> but was it your own stuff or from a different user
[10:28] <spm_draget> Hmm… how to test this…
[10:29] <diederik> adduser swaptest
[10:29] <diederik> logout
[10:29] <diederik> login as swaptest and try to read it
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[10:29] <spm_draget> I'm dumping the output of 'strings' with one user and then create a test-user and try again, see what hapens
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[10:30] <diederik> excellent, thanks :)
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[10:35] <spm_draget> My first (unprevileged) user was about to dump *a lot* of strings… the freshly created swaptest-user which just was 'su swaptest' and 'strings /swap', seems to be outputting similar strings. I am pretty positive this is a problem, but I will also ask in ##linux…
[10:36] <diederik> ok, that sounds indeed like a valid concern!
[10:37] <diederik> can you alter your PR to target v1.0.x (instead of master)?
[10:37] <diederik> I can also do a cherry-pick or other workaround if not though
[10:38] <spm_draget> Arch agrees: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Swap#Swap_file :)
[10:38] <diederik> nice :) the arch wiki is awesome
[10:39] <spm_draget> I am not a regular github user… out of curiosity… what would be the preffered way of doing this. Opening an issue… then making a PR and attaching it to this issue?
[10:39] <spm_draget> Or is a PR right away like I did also okay? (I'll trarget it for 1.0)
[10:40] <diederik> a PR right away is fine, no need to create an issue first
[10:42] <diederik> on github a PR is actually (also) an issue. At least the numbering over issues and PR looks sequential
[10:43] <spm_draget> Uhm… I used the direct-edit possibility of GitHub… you know how I could rebase it against the 1.0 branch instead of master?
[10:44] <diederik> only from the command line
[10:44] <spm_draget> Uhm, wait… I'll manage… xD
[10:44] <diederik> git checkout patch-1; git rebase v1.0.x
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[10:53] <diederik> shall I just do a cherry-pick? It's quite easy for me to do ...
[10:53] <spm_draget> Nah…
[10:54] <spm_draget> I want to learn my git-kongfu
[10:54] <diederik> excellent. I'll just wait then :)
[10:54] <diederik> that project has been great for my git-kongfu
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[10:56] <teetch> hi all
[10:56] <teetch> is it possible to use GPIO pins on the PI for Rx/Tx?
[10:57] <teetch> i'm trying to hook up a touch screen as well as a barcode reader to the Pi, but both use RX/TX
[10:58] <teetch> otherwise I'm thinking of hooking both up to an arduino and then sending serial data from the arduino to the pi
[10:58] <teetch> but i'd rather not use more hardware
[11:01] <spm_draget> I did something…
[11:01] <spm_draget> Not sure if this was correct xD
[11:02] <spm_draget> git rebase --onto origin/v1.0.x patch-1~1 patch-1
[11:02] <ggfh_> teetch: is it rs232? I think I've seen it done somewhere, I remember figuring out the timing was a bit tedious - can't remember where I read it tho
[11:05] <diederik> spm_draget: did git report an error/issue?
[11:05] <spm_draget> Nope
[11:05] <diederik> git is often quite verbose/detailed when things go wrong (including possible fixes)
[11:05] <diederik> then I guess it all went fine
[11:05] <spm_draget> master a4a46b9 Merge pull request #301 from nagromc/fix-non-breaking-hyphen
[11:05] <spm_draget> * patch-1 42070f2 Security suggestion on swap permissions
[11:05] <spm_draget> And then I pushed. Something happened in the PR, but not sure what.
[11:07] <diederik> something did change ...
[11:08] <diederik> If you click the 'Edit' button on the PR, can you change the targetted branch?
[11:08] <diederik> I can only edit the description...
[11:08] <spm_draget> Nope, only the title
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[11:09] <diederik> ah ok, I'll do a cherry-pick then (anyway :-P)
[11:09] <spm_draget> It looks like I rewrote this commit with a different commit-id, but it is the very same commit, still targeting master <.<
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[11:10] <diederik> I just looked at github's CLI instructions and it's showing sth I try to avoid as much as possible
[11:10] <diederik> I like --ff-only
[11:10] <spm_draget> Mr Miyag would be dissapointed =(
[11:11] <spm_draget> (or what this guy from Karater-Kid was called)
[11:11] <diederik> I thought you were referring to him, I think it's Mr Miyagi
[11:11] <spm_draget> Can you link me to that article?
[11:12] <diederik> you mean with the CLI instructions?
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[11:12] <spm_draget> Yes
[11:12] <diederik> ahh, maybe you can't see that
[11:13] <diederik> You probably don't see the 'Merge pull request' button and thus also not the link next to it 'or view command line instructions'
[11:14] <spm_draget> A friend just found an older github issue with re-basing PRs onto different branches… github webinterface does not really handle this… they suggest simply doing a new PR…
[11:14] <diederik> http://picpaste.com/pr-cli-instructions-FgGi95PY.png
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[11:15] <diederik> yeah, that's also an option. But it's indeed github's webinterface that's lacking
[11:16] <diederik> it's also fine if you close the current PR and open a new one with v1.0.x as target (and reference #315).
[11:17] <diederik> But it is somewhat overkill ...
[11:17] <diederik> (even with cherry-pick you'd still get the credits)
[11:18] <spm_draget> Do not care about credits… shame on me for failing on git.
[11:19] <diederik> nah, not your fault. It's github's fault (it has annoyed me several times before)
[11:20] <diederik> I'll soon also try to figure out how to fix another github anomaly. master and v1.0.x are the same, but when you look at the branches you see a difference
[11:20] <teetch> ggfh_ UART
[11:21] <teetch> think i'll have to use an arduino and soft serial
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[11:21] <diederik> Linus himself has also critisized the github interface, so we're in good company :-)
[11:21] <spm_draget> https://github.com/DyegoCosta/right_branch xD
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[11:21] <spm_draget> Okay, enough spam, thanks, I'm out!
[11:22] <diederik> thanks for finding the issue and solving it :)
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[11:33] <diederik> spm_draget: haha, it worked! (but it did indeed close the old one and create a new one)
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[11:48] <spm_draget> I hope I am not annoying anything with git questions here… But out of curiosity: Shouldn't the PR be actually against master? And once accepted, you should cherry-pick it into v1.0.x if you want to have it there?
[11:48] <spm_draget> Because now it is not in master…
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[11:53] <diederik> no, you're not annoying :)
[11:55] <diederik> What we want is having PRs targetted at v1.0.x (or v1.1.x if a new parameter is needed) and then we (project owners) merge it into master when ready (tested and 'now' actually when released)
[11:56] <diederik> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
[11:58] <diederik> btw: I have an account for the Debian wiki so I can update it. Or do you want to do it yourself?
[12:01] <spm_draget> I do not have an account. I'd prefer not to make another zombie one… if you want to, feel free!
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[12:07] <diederik> done :)
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[15:25] <spm_draget> diederik: Sorry for me not reading CONTRIB first. I see your approach… targeting 1.x.y and then syncing it to master. Yet personally I think I'd prefer to work on master and either label issues, PRs or commits if they contain bugfixes that I'd like to backport to releases. And if it is time, I'd pick all commits from master that do not break the API and merge them into the release-branch.
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[16:16] <anunnaki> hello, my raspbian is holding back 156 packages.. when i run apt-get it always shows 156 not upgraded. maybe thats why samba isnt working for me?
[16:17] <PhotoJim> apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:17] <PhotoJim> that does a deeper upgrade
[16:17] <PhotoJim> Samba should work regardless though
[16:19] <anunnaki> PhotoJim: well i recently upgraded from wheezy to jessie and had an issue after running dist-upgrade that the login service wouldnt start. i had to remove some packages to get it to work.
[16:19] <anunnaki> so not sure what happened there with my ugrade.. ill try running it again though
[16:20] <PhotoJim> hmm
[16:20] <PhotoJim> well, image your SD card so you can return to where you are now
[16:20] <PhotoJim> then dist-upgrade, see if all is good
[16:20] <PhotoJim> if not, restore your image to your card
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[16:22] <Dsbeerf> Hello, someone managed to use raspbian-ua-netinstall to install the real debian 8.2 armhf netinstall ?
[16:27] <anunnaki> PhotoJim: good idea thanks
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[17:16] <spm_draget> anunnaki: As far as I understood: 'update' updates only packages that have security updates and are considered safe-to-upgrade by the debian devs. 'upgrade' also includes minor feature-updates and other updates that might need manual actions by the admin. 'dist-upgrade' will update to a compltely new repository/distribution if said repository is configured in apt… if not (regular case), dist-upgrade will do the same as upgrade.
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[17:41] <kb3vgw> hey guys
[17:41] <kb3vgw> whats the link for the raspbian nightly jessie img
[17:41] <kb3vgw> minibian has issues
[17:42] <kb3vgw> its lacking to many pkgs that should be installed by default
[17:43] <kb3vgw> we want the nheadless jessie img
[17:50] <kb3vgw> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=111144&p=799292#p799292
[17:50] <kb3vgw> found it
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[17:59] <diederik> spm_draget: I'm probably the only one who has read the CONTRIB document (and wrote it) :-P
[18:00] <diederik> Dsbeerf: it's currently not possible to install real Debian with the netinstaller
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[19:36] <nuxil> hi
[19:37] <nuxil> why does my raspberry not remember my keyboard settings? its really annoyting having to reset the keyboard layout eachtime i boot it up.
[19:41] <nuxil> i also have another problem. how do i enable my wifi card on the raspberry. i have connected it to a usb. i see it in my "ifconfig" but not in my gui anywhere.
[19:41] <nuxil> not sure how to enable it
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[20:55] * lupine has a cool little desktop based on raspbian jessie \o/
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[21:00] <lupine> just wondering whether I should stick with lxde or try to go even more minimal, I guess
[21:00] <lupine> planning on using it mostly for writing code on the go
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[21:08] <lupine> woo, golang 1.5.1 installed
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[21:11] <anunnaki> i just wento to do a autoremove after running dist-upgrade. i have 56 to remove but i get a "could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/"
[21:12] <anunnaki> is that somewhat normal?
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[21:20] <lupine> anunnaki: normally means another apt process is still running
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[21:32] <anunnaki> lupine: i dont think anything is running.. i had to run apt-get dist-upgrade to finish installing some packages but that finished then i did autoremove to remove packages but got that message
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[21:40] <lupine> ps aux | egrep '(apt|dpkg)'
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[22:37] <lupine> this could all go horribly wrong :D
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[22:57] <anunnaki> something just isnt right with my raspbian now that i upgraded to jessie.. cpu usage on reboot is hitting 100%
[22:58] <anunnaki> started samba but my folder isnt being shared as it was prio to the upgrade
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[23:11] <anunnaki> tried /etc/init.d/samba start and tried service smbd start and service nmbd start separately
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[23:23] <anunnaki> i know i sound like a whining ex-wife
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[23:49] <mybalzitch> anunnaki: have you checked the logs?
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