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[0:08] <vagrantc> n1cky: i use the boot files from raspbian, a custom kernel, and otherwise plain debian armhf.
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[0:09] <vagrantc> i seem to recall security updates coming faster from debian directly, usually.
[0:10] <vagrantc> i think raspbian just pulls the updates after debian has released them, and it might even require manual verification or something
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[0:12] <plugwash> we don't do any embargo'd security stuff or anything like that so we will always be behind Debian
[0:12] <diederik> shiftplusone: afaik the virtual package selection is pretty basic, it just uses the first one that full-fills it. Or did I misinterpret your question?
[0:12] <plugwash> most of the time updates should feed through pretty quick ( < 12 hours) but there are exceptions
[0:12] <shiftplusone> diederik: yeah, you got it.
[0:12] <vagrantc> plugwash: like it something requires a patch to support armv6?
[0:13] <plugwash> if an update is important to you and it hasn't hit raspbian within 12 hours of hitting Debian please do feel free to poke me about it
[0:13] <diederik> shiftplusone: did you see this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1532559 ?
[0:13] * vagrantc is hoping to actually use the kernels shipped in debian soon, too ...
[0:13] <plugwash> if we have any changes to the source package then the update process requires manual intervention
[0:14] <vagrantc> makes sense
[0:15] <shiftplusone> diederik: nope haven't seen it, but it doesn't help in my case. I think I've accepted that people who'll want to use dkms with the foundation kernel, they'll need to explicitly specify which headers package they want to install.
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[0:17] <diederik> oh, yours does provide linux-headers too, but it still wants to install the 3.6-trunk-rpi one?
[0:18] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[0:19] <diederik> ... maybe I had installed the headers package before it was needed then ...
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[0:22] <diederik> ... and if it isn't installed, it uses the first one which lexically satisfies it and wants to install that one ...
[0:23] <shiftplusone> Yeah, not the best behaviour for this.
[0:23] <diederik> if you'd do 'apt install <your-headers-package> dkms' then it should work ... but the extra step is probably not what you'd like to see
[0:24] <diederik> indeed
[0:29] <diederik> probably the easiest way to work around this, is adopting the same/similar strategy as used by the raspbian.org linux-headers package (i.e. having a generic named linux-kernel/headers package which depends on the latest 'real' linux-kernel/headers package ... but it's still a workaround
[0:30] <diederik> (linux-headers-rpi[2]-rpfv)
[0:30] <shiftplusone> I've considered that, but given that 5 people will install packages which depend on linux-headers... >.>
[0:31] <diederik> my guess is that there are more, but I see your point
[0:32] <shiftplusone> Specifying which package to install doesn't seem like an insurmountable task for that particular user subset.
[0:33] <shiftplusone> And also seems to be the intended behaviour of apt, since in some cases it says you must explicitly specify which package you want to install. I haven't seen that message myself lately though, so I am not sure when that comes up O_o
[0:34] <diederik> true. (I do find it convenient, but it's quite easy to fix it myself)
[0:35] <diederik> sounds like a similar problem with getting/staying with sysv-init when upgrading wheezy->jessie like I tried a while a go (and reported about it here)
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[0:37] <shiftplusone> Except in that case it was doing you a favour
[0:37] <shiftplusone> *hides from the heretics*
[0:37] <diederik> LOL
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[0:39] <shiftplusone> actually, I haven't seen the mention of systemd make people talk about the unix philosophy and monolithic software and Poettering lately.
[0:40] <diederik> I think they've given up
[0:40] <shiftplusone> Or they're away plotting the revolution.
[0:41] <n1cky> (we moved to BSD)
[0:41] <shiftplusone> There's that too
[0:41] <n1cky> there weren't that many of us in the first place.
[0:41] <n1cky> Linux is for people that hate Windows.
[0:42] <n1cky> BSD is for people who love Unix
[0:42] <shiftplusone> I'll save BSD for when Linus retires.
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[0:42] <shiftplusone> I've used a few of the *BSDs and it didn't seem to be all that different.
[0:42] <n1cky> it's the small stuff.
[0:47] <diederik> shiftplusone: it may be a hack/cheating, but what happens if your headers package provides linux-headers-generic ?
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[0:52] <diederik> on second thought, it may just give you the response you want a single time. If you now have a linux-headers-4.1 package and later a linux-headers-4.4 comes along, it may still install the 4.1 version
[0:54] <shiftplusone> well, in our case, it's just raspberrypi-kernel-headers, so versions don't matter of all that much. We don't really support different kernel versions.
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[0:58] <diederik> that should make things rather easy :)
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[1:00] <shiftplusone> So what's the logic behind providing linux-headers-generic? Since it comes before linux-headers in the OR set of recommends for dkms, it will just get picked up instead?
[1:01] <diederik> that is indeed my reasoning
[1:02] <diederik> the order in which you provide packages to apt matters, so I'm guessing it also matters in the provides
[1:03] <shiftplusone> Is the generic package meant to have a purpose? It seems strange to have a 'generic' headers package like that.
[1:03] <diederik> 'apt install raspberrypi-kernel-headers dkms' will give a different result then 'apt install dkms raspberrypi-kernel-headers'
[1:03] <diederik> I think it's an Ubuntu thing
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[3:20] <a1exus> hello
[3:21] <a1exus> i got rasperry pi 3) and just installed raspbian)
[3:21] <a1exus> I used 64GB sdcard, yet my disk seems small by default... how do I resize it?
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[3:25] <a1exus> got it)
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[9:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[9:45] <klickklack> hi, anyone knows which license raspian is using?
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[9:51] <void____> can you recommend me some kind of extension or module for raspberry pi 3 for improving math computing performance ?
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[9:58] <klickklack> void____, first tought: gpu computing, but don't know if supported
[9:58] <klickklack> thought
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[10:16] <ries_nicked> void____: if you have control over teh software you can look if the algorithm is good/fastest for the task.
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[10:56] <Alexander-47u> hi guys
[10:56] <Alexander-47u> anyone here?
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[11:23] <cry5t41> hi guys, I want to ssh to my raspberry pi as root. I know password is good but I can't , Maybe there is some settings I need to do? But I dont know where to find it
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[11:30] <twolife> cry5t41: you need to set 'PermitRootLogin yes' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[11:31] <binaryhermit> and then restart ssh
[11:32] <binaryhermit> which is apparently done by running "service sshd restart" as root
[11:34] <cry5t41> twolife, tnx
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[11:47] <Alexander-47u> guys what is best "desktop-ish" os for raspberry pi 3. Just to be used for internet browsing
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[12:02] <Getty> ist not the OS you want to pick its the environment
[12:02] <Getty> and if you just want to open up a browser then you dont need actually anything really on that matter
[12:03] <Getty> you can like just start the graphical environment and start a browser and thats it ;) but you can also add up a window manager if you want to make more ;)
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[13:49] <klickklack> Alexander-47u I use Raspian
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[19:51] <net_conde> hello
[19:51] <net_conde> I would like to install mysql 5.7 on the raspi. Is there any available repository?
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[19:56] <net_conde> /msg NickServ
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[20:13] <nils_2> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43287/mysql-5-7-in-raspberry-pi-2/43292
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[20:29] <lib> Hello there, I try to cross-compile a simple module for my rpi, but it fails. I wanna use the rpi-toolchain, that's my makefile and the error: https://ptpb.pw/9R84
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[20:33] <Alpy> hello
[20:33] <Alpy> I seem to have a small problem with my RBPi 3
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[20:34] <Alpy> I tried to set up my WiFi connection using this link
[20:34] <Alpy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
[20:35] <Alpy> After doing all that, when I do ifconfig, i see that the adress isn't my network.
[20:35] <Alpy> Plus I can't connect to the net
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[20:40] <HerculeP> I don't have a pi3 (yet) but saw many ppl having such issues, NOOBs seem to work better than direct raspbian tho
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[21:06] <lib> Hello there, I try to cross-compile a simple module for my rpi, but it fails. I wanna use the rpi-toolchain, that's my makefile and the error: https://ptpb.pw/9R84
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[22:01] <phawq123> should I be able to copy some kind of music player from a usb onto raspberry pi if I have raspbian installed and running?
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[23:15] <AndrewMock> What is the lite image for?
[23:16] <AndrewMock> Is that minus the desktop, etc?
[23:17] <AndrewMock> look like no X but what else
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