#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-04-08

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[4:41] <mercer> hi, i'm new to the raspberry pi 3b and I just installed raspbian... I have d/l'd some software from my d/l center but it hasn't posted itself onto the default drop down menu... I can't figure out what to do.. ?
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[4:45] <shiftplusone> your download center? What's that?
[4:57] <mercer> I think it's called download or remove software off of utilities
[4:57] <shiftplusone> What did you install?
[4:57] <mercer> VLC movie player
[4:59] <shiftplusone> Hm, would expect that to pop up. I'll try and see what happens on my end.
[4:59] <mercer> ok
[4:59] <shiftplusone> Btw, don't expect vlc to be usable, it's not hw accelerated.
[4:59] <mercer> then also do you know of a video player that would? what is the industry standard for viewing mpg s or avi s ?
[5:00] <mercer> or the raspbian standard?
[5:00] <shiftplusone> omxplayer, generally, but it's used from the terminal
[5:01] <shiftplusone> actually, I can't check the menu thing right now, my testing pi is in a somewhat borked state.
[5:01] <mercer> oh so is there a gui video player most ppl use?
[5:01] <mercer> that's ok
[5:02] <shiftplusone> I have seen people talk about omxplayer frontends, but haven't used any myself. There's kodi, but that's a full blown media centre.
[5:03] <mercer> is there a better software center u guys use?
[5:03] <mercer> on gui?
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[5:05] <mercer> I'm just tired of trying to d/l software from that center and installing it thru the center and it going no where for me to find
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[5:08] <shiftplusone> It doesn't matter which 'software center' you use. It all uses the same mechanism underneath.
[5:09] <mercer> so if I d/l from the software center it should be listed under my pull down menu otherwise there is a conflict or error?
[5:11] <shiftplusone> If there was an error, I would expect that you'd get a message about that.
[5:12] <shiftplusone> Not all software installs a menu entry, but I would definitely expect VLC to do so.
[5:15] <shiftplusone> Just installed VLC... got the menu entry.
[5:18] <mercer> hmm ok
[5:18] <mercer> and you are running the default menu?
[5:18] <mercer> on raspbian on a raspberry pi 3b ?
[5:19] <shiftplusone> yeah, but to be 100% sure, we're doing exactly the same thing, I'd need to flash a new image and use the same software center you used to install vlc.
[5:21] <mercer> why are we not using the same software center?
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[5:21] <shiftplusone> I do most things from terminal
[5:23] <mercer> ok so should I try to install omxplayer like you mentioned before and then in the future look into a gui?
[5:23] <shiftplusone> omxplayer should already be installed
[5:26] <mercer> so I guess you are more of a techie and deal mostly with the command line instead of the gui, doesn't that get awkward with multimedia or do you use it very rarely?
[5:29] <shiftplusone> On the pi, I either go all out with multimedia and use OpenELEC (a kodi-based distro) or just do the media stuff on my regular PC. For the rare times I do need to play a video in Raspbian, I use omxplayer and don't find it awkward. The command line is much faster and more flexible than the desktop, at least when you get used to it.
[5:30] <mercer> oh ok, so is there a way I can install OpenELEC after installing raspbian or do I have to wipe the sd card and reinstall noobs?
[5:31] <shiftplusone> If you already have NOOBS on that card, you can install OpenELEC and Raspbian on the same card, but it will wipe your existing raspbian install.
[5:32] <shiftplusone> When booting, you should see a screen saying "press shift to enter recovery" or something along those lines. That's where you can reinstall things from.
[5:33] <shiftplusone> maybe just install kodi in raspbian first and see if it suits you, because openelec can't be used as a general purpose distro.
[5:33] <mercer> so after that I will be given the boot option to load either OpenELEC or Raspbian?
[5:33] <shiftplusone> yup
[5:33] <mercer> ok
[5:34] <mercer> one last question (sorry to tear on your ear) what was kodi again in raspian?
[5:35] <shiftplusone> Not sure I understand the question.
[5:36] <mercer> nm I get it now thanks a lot for your help!
[5:36] <shiftplusone> you're welcome
[5:36] <mercer> ok back to the pi
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[7:34] <shiftplusone> plugwash: having some mirrordirector trouble here
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[8:08] <pendragoncre> hi someone can help me with this error
[8:09] <pendragoncre> W: Fallo al obtener http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/jessie/Release.gpg No se puede iniciar la conexi�n a mirrordirector.raspbian.org:80
[8:10] <shiftplusone> pendragoncre: yes, there seems to be some trouble with mirrordirector right now. You could specify the mirror manually to get around it.
[8:10] <shiftplusone> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors
[8:11] <pendragoncre> how i can do this
[8:13] <shiftplusone> pick a location near you and adjust /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly
[8:16] <pendragoncre> thx
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[8:31] <pendragoncre> it's works
[8:31] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[8:42] <dxmann> Hello! raspbian based on debian jessie is suitable for raspberry pi b+?
[8:42] <Gjax> yes
[8:42] <Gjax> jessie is just a newer version of wheezy
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[8:43] <dxmann> ok, beause I don't remember if the RPIb+ architecture is the same of RPI2 or RPI3
[8:43] <Gjax> B+ is a ARM6
[8:43] <Gjax> the others are arm7
[8:44] <dxmann> ok, thanks! :)
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[9:09] <pendragoncre> another question?
[9:10] <pendragoncre> how i can mount a cifs unit with my fstab after the network it's working
[9:13] <Gjax> are you using fuse?
[9:14] <Gjax> It is posible to add it to fstab
[9:19] <Datalink> anyone know a good split for Pi3 in graphic heavvy applications (thing's prototyping the config for a presentation loop)
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[9:25] <pendragoncre> no i dont know aht is fuse
[9:25] <pendragoncre> sorry
[9:25] <pendragoncre> i dont know what is fuse
[9:27] <Gjax> okay but what is your question? because it is posible to mount it.
[9:28] <outofsorts> pendragoncre: Use the _netdev option in fstab to mount a network device after network is working. See: man mount
[9:29] <pendragoncre> ok
[9:29] <pendragoncre> thanx
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[9:39] <Datalink> fuse: filesystems in userspace, basically lets you mount filesystems without having to have them compiled into the kernel, though yeah, not relevent to the question you had specifically
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[9:43] <stamba> hi all
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[9:49] <AndreeeCZ> hi!
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[10:08] <madz> Hi there ! Is the mirrordirector.raspbian.org down ?
[10:08] <madz> looks down from here
[10:08] <madz> can't make updates...
[10:09] <HerculeP> at least it is extremly slow
[10:09] <madz> Okay
[10:09] <stamba> madz : yep had the same problem but it's ok now
[10:09] <HerculeP> (again)
[10:10] <madz> I will retry
[10:10] <HerculeP> you could pick a mirror near you from (http|ftp)://ftp.igh.cnrs.fr/pub/os/linux/raspbian/raspbian and put it into /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:11] <HerculeP> err
[10:11] <madz> okay seems to work but very sloooowly ! Thanks HerculeP for the hint =)
[10:11] <HerculeP> from https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors
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[10:12] <HerculeP> ^^ some work, some don't
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[10:36] <AndreeeCZ> madz, down here also, i changed the mirror already
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[10:50] <Gjax> some here, I completly removed the mirror director
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[10:59] <payam> hey, does anyone have experience using omxplayer's --loop command?
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[11:28] <Datalink> what's Raspbian's default audio subsystem?
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[11:34] <stroke> hhh
[11:34] <stroke> Hi I want to know how to close epiphany browser using python
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[11:35] <l9> lo all
[11:36] <l9> anyone knows if there is away too reboot the raspbian and autologon at terminal
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[11:46] <stroke> No, not like that. Suppose the python script is hitting a php url passing certain value now I want python automatically close the browser.
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[11:47] <l9> huh no inittab in etc+
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[11:49] <Datalink> stroke, should just be able to send it's process a SIG_INT and it should respect it: https://docs.python.org/2/library/signal.html
[11:49] <stroke> let me check
[11:50] <Datalink> correction: SIGHUP, which is signal.SIGHUP in the signal library
[11:51] <Datalink> man signal(2) can give you more information on signal itself, though the C and Python implementations vary a bit
[11:51] <Datalink> mostly in how it's called, the functions are kernel level and pretty consistent across Linux
[11:53] <stroke> signal.CTRL_C_EVENT¶
[11:53] <stroke> this thing in python script can automatically kill the browser aspect?
[11:53] <Datalink> signal is the same as the console kill command, kill itself is basically a system for sending signals
[11:54] <Datalink> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_signal is more information on the signals, including a list of the posix standard ones.
[11:55] <stroke> Okay wonderful reply Datalink
[11:56] <Datalink> sure thing, I'd suggest SIGTERM for this application, if it's just to close the browser when done
[11:56] <stroke> I am following
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[11:57] <Datalink> signal does require that you know the PID of the browser
[11:57] <stroke> import os
[11:57] <stroke> os.system( "epiphany-browser")
[11:57] <stroke> exit()
[11:58] <stroke> this is my code in python
[11:58] <stroke> now kindly assist me
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[12:02] <l9> autologin with autologin.conf
[12:02] <l9> anyone?
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[12:04] <Datalink> stroke, you'd probably want to switch to subprocess.popen instead of os.system https://docs.python.org/2/library/subprocess.html#module-subprocess I'm afraid I'm not specifically good with Python
[12:04] <stroke> okay checking
[12:06] <Datalink> 19, the function for that's in raspi-config ('sudo raspi-config') under boot options
[12:06] <Datalink> afraid I don't know the autologin.conf specifics, as I usually haven't needed it
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[12:18] <stroke> Datalink, os.system( "epiphany-browser") this is something where I need to use the kill command.
[12:18] <stroke> because python is not going to next line without executing the browser phase
[12:20] <Datalink> os.system is locking, you need a subprocess https://docs.python.org/2/library/subprocess.html
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[12:30] <Datalink> stroke, I don't know python well enough to write code for you, and I'm sorry, my experience related to this is the PHP implementation, they both link back to the same C implementation so have similar concerns and handling, if you use popen right, it'll make an object you can interact with and it won't lock the python script to do it
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[12:30] <gentwo> #/join #gentoo-chat
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[12:31] <stroke> Datalink I am learning this from your efforts. Sicnere thanks friend
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[12:31] <AndreeeCZ> can raspbian provide for a hardware accelerated openglES context?
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[12:32] <Datalink> gentwo, I hope that was a typo and not spam
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[12:39] <gentwo> Datalink: typo sorry
[12:39] <l9> is there a way too change what tty is displayed from ssh ?
[12:40] <gentwo> anyone succcessful connecting pi3 to hidden ssid?
[12:40] <Datalink> 19, no
[12:40] <Datalink> gentwo, I just started trying to get mine on my wifi, haven't tried with hidden SSIDs yet
[12:41] <gentwo> Datalink: it seems really pain full
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[12:41] <Datalink> gentwo, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md may be of some help if you're using CLI
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[12:42] <gentwo> Datalink: tried almost everyting..no luck
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[12:43] <Datalink> gentwo, do you know the SSID and password of the hidden network? you could use wpa_passphrase to generate an entry
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[12:45] <Datalink> gentwo, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=25104 may be of some help
[12:45] <l9> Datalink: wrong!
[12:46] <Datalink> 19, really? how?
[12:46] <Datalink> not saying I doubt myself, saying I want to know
[12:46] <l9> chvt 1 2 3
[12:46] <l9> depending on what tty too show
[12:46] <Datalink> does that work for SSH? I thought it was just limited to the local consoles
[12:47] <l9> works for ssh too
[12:47] <l9> just did it ;)
[12:47] <l9> offcourse you need sudo
[12:48] <Datalink> oh right, I think I used this like... 4 years ago for something
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[12:48] <l9> hehe
[12:49] <Datalink> I used it to hide a Pi's boot thing on a presentation Pi... worked well too
[12:49] <l9> i have a RPI connected too a screen no keyboard running screen so when i ssh into it i do screen -x i have "realtime" keyboard on the screen
[12:50] <Datalink> heh, yeah, but that'll still restrict to the smaller screen session,
[12:51] <l9> not if you screen from the .bashrc on tty1
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[12:55] <l9> there :) now i have irssi running on console on tty fullscreen :P
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[13:33] <JonasJSK> Hey guys.
[13:34] <JonasJSK> When i do "sudo poweroff" on my pi 3, it's start to shutdown after a few seconds it also turns off the monitor, but the 2 led lights on my pi stays on, a red and a green one
[13:35] <JonasJSK> Is it turned off?
[13:35] <JonasJSK> Is it still turned off?*
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[14:10] <mia__> Hey all
[14:11] <mia__> I'm looking for a way to stream webcam
[14:11] <mia__> with audio and video
[14:11] <mia__> do you know what can do that
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[14:13] <TheLostAdmin> mia__, vlc should be able to do that. There are a few tutorials on the Internet. Most of them seam to be very camera dependant. I think ffmpeg can do it too, but is much more complicated.
[14:14] <mia__> none of them worked for me
[14:14] <mia__> I was not able to even start a video stream successfully
[14:14] <mia__> with audio? No luck so far.
[14:15] <TheLostAdmin> I haven't tried to get audio working, but I did set-up a stream of the Raspberry Pi camera using vlc on my Pi and it works pretty well (there is some garbage at the start of the stream but it smooths out in a few seconds).
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[14:15] <TheLostAdmin> If you are suing an actual webcam, I can't help as I haven't tried.
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[14:23] <gentwo> Strange, now that i am connecting to wifi with right password still not showing connected, Pi3
[14:23] <gentwo> isn't that it should be group=wheel, rathen than netdev?
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[14:33] <pitastrudl> hello
[14:33] <pitastrudl> so i made a bash script for setting up an ssh server and i used it first for ubuntu and then tried it on raspberian, but it cant seem to make the directories
[14:34] <pitastrudl> it worked when i did the commands manually
[14:34] <pitastrudl> the script: https://gist.github.com/pitastrudl/2a25c66cbe0a1344f943
[14:36] <byte> use touch ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; -> mkdir
[14:36] <byte> +dont
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[14:43] <pitastrudl> byte why not use that?
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[14:45] <pitastrudl> so i should just use the piping operator instead, e.g. ">"
[14:45] <pitastrudl> but for example, the "mkdir ~/.ssh;" never gets executed, or well doesnt create the directory
[14:45] <pitastrudl> executing the same command from the cli works
[14:46] <methuzla> pitastrudl, could it be issue using ~
[14:46] <pitastrudl> hm, maybe i should try $HOME
[14:46] <methuzla> same thing
[14:47] <pitastrudl> yeah
[14:47] <pitastrudl> supposedly one of the things im doing wrong is, not doing ssh-copy-id
[14:47] <pitastrudl> but not sure why JUST mkdir wouldnt work
[14:48] <methuzla> is the directory being created in root folder?
[14:48] <pitastrudl> no
[14:48] <pitastrudl> its created in the home folder
[14:48] <pitastrudl> root of the home folder
[14:49] <methuzla> here? /home/root
[14:49] <pitastrudl> /home/pi/
[14:50] <methuzla> if you run it as root, ~ resolves to something else
[14:51] <pitastrudl> ohh
[14:51] <pitastrudl> well i have to run it as root since im also modifying the ssh config
[14:51] <pitastrudl> hm, maybe i should make a subscript
[14:51] <methuzla> try using absolute paths
[14:56] <Gjax> gee why is apt pinning so confusing
[14:56] <methuzla> pitastrudl, this should show you were ~ for root is: cat /etc/passwd | grep root | cut -d ':' -f 6
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[14:59] <pitastrudl> hm
[14:59] <pitastrudl> yeah ,you're right
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[15:01] <pitastrudl> thanks methuzla
[15:01] <pitastrudl> had no idea
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[15:02] <Gjax> anyone with a good link that explains apt pinning?
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[15:05] <pitastrudl> https://www.howtoforge.com/a-short-introduction-to-apt-pinning
[15:05] <Gjax> doesnt seem to work as described...
[15:06] <Gjax> The system want to update lots of packages from testing even if i set between 500 to 900
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[16:44] <Kanerix> Does anyone have a proper 64 bit kernel working yet, or am I going to have to compile it myself?
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[16:55] <TankGirl> does anyone else have problems with snapping their SD Cards?
[16:56] <TankGirl> little chunks of the top left corner come off my cards (I swap them constantly)
[16:56] <TankGirl> only superglue seems to help :P
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[16:58] <TankGirl> I've used my GPIO so many times I broke the pins
[17:07] <TheLostAdmin> TankGirl, I have some cheap chinese SD cards that have that problem (full sized SD, not microsd). They work fine for me even when the plastic breaks.
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[17:32] <plugwash> any munin experts around?
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[17:39] <at0m> plugwash: if you weren't CEO/PDG here, i'd say ask your question :D or, probably, #munin
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[17:40] <at0m> irc is pretty sparse with self-declared experts
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[17:41] <plugwash> already tried #munin, not got a whole lot of help :(
[17:41] <at0m> :/
[17:41] <plugwash> basically the munin plugin for apache isn't working and i'm trying to figure out why
[17:41] <at0m> i've tried it once, same thing, didn't bother fixing it after
[17:42] <plugwash> yeah, i've got some fairly serious performance issues that I need to get to the bottom of and I need to get some visibility as to what is going on with apache
[17:42] <plugwash> people tend to complain when mirrordirector.raspbian.org doesn't respond to their requests
[17:43] <at0m> oh, right, i noticed some complaints on that lately. tbh, i've picked one of the mirrors and put that one in fstab
[17:44] <at0m> so can't comment on the mirrordirector
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[17:44] <at0m> err s/fstab/sources.list
[17:44] <at0m> maybe #apache then
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[17:55] <plugwash> I think i've fixed it, it appears that apache needed to be listening on and wasn't
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[18:41] <SirEel> I'm trying to move a C++ program to rpi, and I've got it all compiling against the SDL2 and SDL2_image dev libraries supplied by the package manager, but when run SDL_Init fails, and I get "no available video device" as the error, any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[18:42] <SirEel> from suggestions on the web, I've tried running as root, and I'm trying to run inside of X11
[18:42] <SirEel> Or is there a better place to ask?
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[18:49] <H4ndy> maybe better to ask in an SDL channel
[18:55] <SirEel> Maybe, but online I can see that people who are building SDL2 from source have got it working
[18:55] <SirEel> But the idea that the official package is bad seems unlikely, although not impossible
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[19:14] <SirEel> The answer from the SDL people is that the version in the package manager doesn't work correctly, and that I can build it myself or get one from their buildbot
[19:15] <SirEel> The package says it's maintained by "Debian SDL packages maintainers", does that mean this is just pulled from upstream, and hence has no raspbian-specific changes?
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[19:18] <at0m> SirEel: maybe debian-specific changes. cos raspbian is more or less debian.
[19:18] <at0m> you can even use debian repo's ;p
[19:18] <SirEel> at0m: well, the package *doesn't work*
[19:18] <SirEel> so obviously in this case it's the 'less' part that matters :P
[19:19] <at0m> then post your build errors. "doesn't work" is generally not a helping error
[19:19] <SirEel> not a build error
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[19:19] <at0m> or other errors
[19:19] <SirEel> SDL_Init fails with the error I listed above
[19:19] <at0m> and idk about SDL, others might.
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[19:20] <SirEel> it doesn't matter, the fix is 'build from source with the correct parameters'
[19:20] <at0m> oh, "no available video device" as in /dev/video0 ?
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[19:20] <SirEel> no idea
[19:20] <at0m> do you have a /dev/video0 ?
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[19:21] <SirEel> apparently not
[19:21] <at0m> if you do, are you in the group that owns it?
[19:21] <at0m> then check lsusb for the video device if it's usb
[19:21] <SirEel> it's a hdmi monitor
[19:21] <at0m> oh
[19:22] <at0m> video is usually video /in/
[19:22] <SirEel> it's failing to create a context to draw into
[19:22] <at0m> was the hdmi connected when you booted the pi? if not, it falles back to analog video
[19:22] <SirEel> yes it was
[19:22] <SirEel> also I've tried forcing it to use framebuffer, and forcing it to use x11
[19:23] <at0m> and hdmi client/display powered up, i suppose
[19:23] <SirEel> yes
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[19:41] <Fox682> Hey guys, i'm editing fstab and I'm trying to get a user (default pi) to be able to mount a USB stick with its own permissions rather than root... is there anything I need to be aware of?
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[19:46] <fred1807> I need to execute a sript, located in /boot, before the start of systemd! Is this possible?
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[19:53] <xtort-> can I ask why?
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[20:09] <fred1807> xtort-: I want to hardware a code like hello_audio to make a "power on" sound. My pi will be screenless, and inside a box
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[20:12] <fred1807> xtort-: So.. Can I execute this binary file before the start of systemd?
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[20:14] <niston> fresh raspbian install (image just downloaded), can't get DHCP to obtain an IP
[20:14] <niston> it like, doesn't DHCP at all.
[20:14] <niston> all it gets is a stinky MSAPIP IP
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[20:15] <niston> what might be the problem?
[20:15] <fred1807> niston: your router?
[20:15] <fred1807> how do I include a script into initramfs ?
[20:16] <niston> fred1807: everything else can DHCP.
[20:16] <fred1807> can you paste the result of ifconfig and router -n ?
[20:17] <niston> not until I can log onto the pi
[20:17] <niston> I suppose I could run back and forth and type whats on the other display :P
[20:18] <fred1807> niston: you dont have a keboard attached to it?
[20:19] <fred1807> niston: you can remove the sd card, and edit it on another computer. Look at the /etc/network/interfaces file, paste what is there
[20:19] <niston> fred1807: there is a console on it but I cant copypaste into IRC
[20:20] <niston> hold, I took a "screeshot" with the fone
[20:20] <fred1807> niston: ONly thing that matter is your /etc/network/interfaces file and the output of ifconfig and router -n
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[20:21] <niston> this is route -n and ifconfig output
[20:21] <niston> http://imgur.com/4bzn4f5
[20:22] <fred1807> niston: can you paste the output of: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[20:22] <niston> sec
[20:24] <niston> http://imgur.com/p1GSup3
[20:25] <niston> duly note that the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" contained "iface eth0 inet manual", and I edited it to try and see
[20:26] <fred1807> I guess you just fixed
[20:27] <fred1807> also if you are not using wifi, you could comment the stuff related to wlan
[20:28] <niston> its not working
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[20:28] <niston> however if I put another Pi with an older image on the same network socket, it works fine.
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[20:29] <niston> there is no port security or other bizarre stuff on the switch port
[20:29] <niston> quite at a loss here, finding myself unable to even get the box online :o
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[20:35] <Getty> i am a bit confused.... i bought a pi zero kit (and funnily an extra pi zero not knowing its in the kit) and now i see on the webpage of another distributor another picture of the pi zero then what i have: http://www.reichelt.de/RASP-PI-ZERO/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=446&ARTICLE=162609&artnr=RASP+PI+ZERO
[20:35] <Getty> are there 2 versions?
[20:36] <Getty> oh i see... computing unit != zero.... ok i get it
[20:38] <fred1807> Niston
[20:38] <fred1807> niston:
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[20:38] <fred1807> niston: your interfaces file is wrong
[20:39] <niston> suspected as much. so, what do I change?
[20:39] <fred1807> niston: add this line: allow-hotplug eth0 just up above the line iface eth0 inet dhcp
[20:39] <niston> alright
[20:40] <fred1807> and comment all the lines bellow iface eth0 inet dhcp They are related to wlan0 and we dont want wlan now
[20:40] <fred1807> restart the pi
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[20:43] <niston> no joy
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[20:49] <fred1807> ifconfig shows that you pi is getting an IP from the router
[20:50] <fred1807> ipv4 and ipv6
[20:50] <fred1807> are you sure that ping www.google.com result in timeout?
[20:50] <niston> this is not an IP from the router
[20:50] <niston> this is an autoconfig IP
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[20:51] <niston> 169.254
[20:51] <niston> and yes, there is no connectivity.
[20:52] <niston> gonna try static config
[20:55] <fred1807> niston: if your old pi gets internet. Why dont you delete this SD card and start fresh?
[20:55] <niston> fred1807: this is a fresh install.
[20:56] <niston> fresh as in downloaded image an hour ago.
[20:56] <niston> I doubt that rewriting the same image to the sd card will fix anything.
[20:56] <fred1807> niston: very very strange, maybe hardware problem?
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[20:56] <niston> that would #°@°#@°@
[20:56] <fred1807> niston: Can you try the SD card from the working pi , on this new pi?
[20:57] <niston> hmm
[20:57] <niston> maybe with an sd card adapter
[20:57] <niston> ah no, not that way around
[20:57] <niston> the nonworking one is a B+ with microsd card
[20:58] <niston> the other one is an older B with normal sd card
[20:58] <niston> it would be the second Pi with hardware problems, out of 8 or so I bought.
[20:58] <niston> I had one where the watchdog didn't work properly and always reset the system at random times.
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[20:59] <fred1807> Maybe the SD card is corrupted
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[21:00] <fred1807> you should try to record the image again
[21:00] <fred1807> sd card corruption can be very funny
[21:00] <fred1807> I doubt the hardware have problems
[21:01] <niston> trying the new SD card in the old model B now
[21:02] <niston> with this, it doesnt get any IP at all
[21:02] <niston> not even autoconfig one
[21:03] <niston> imma try rewriting
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[21:10] <fred1807> niston: So it is not hardware related, and probably your system may be corrupted. Good news is that the SD card may auto recogniza bad sectors, and it may work on a second rewrite
[21:10] <fred1807> niston: Also, you have a good power source right? Unsifficent power may break things down
[21:10] <niston> ample power source = yes
[21:11] <niston> also, sd card was brand new
[21:11] <niston> lemme try the rewritten card
[21:12] <niston> still doesn't work
[21:12] <niston> can I somehow revert to the "old" method of configuring the network?
[21:12] <niston> like, without dhcpdc and all that jazz
[21:12] <niston> I dont trust it.
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[21:19] <TankGirl> I damaged my second usb port traces, should I just patch wires to it?
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[22:04] <fred1807> niston: you can enter static config in the interfaces file
[22:05] <niston> fred1807, I redownloaded the image as ZIP (instead of torrent). it works now.
[22:05] <fred1807> probably your sd card corrupted something during first install
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[22:09] * plugwash guesses a lot of people have apt-get update on an hourly cronjob
[22:10] <plugwash> (or at least a cronjob set to happen on the hour at various random hours)
[22:10] <Acou_Bass> i personally dont, never heard of anyone else doing so either hehe
[22:11] * plugwash is looking at a munin graph and seeing spikes on the hour every hour
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[22:12] <Acou_Bass> well... distros like the *buntus i think poll for updates every now and then - could be a possibility that the Pi versions of those do too?
[22:12] <Acou_Bass> not sure :P
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[22:17] <plugwash> who knows, I'd have thought the devs of proper update notifier type programs would know how to be good netzins
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[22:22] <ShorTie> get the foundation to build in a once aday limit
[22:22] <fred1807> root ssh login is disable by default on stock jessie lite?
[22:22] <ShorTie> on stock jessie
[22:23] <fred1807> ShorTie: how do I enable the ssh login? passwd already there
[22:24] <fred1807> ShorTie: please send the last msg again
[22:25] <fred1807> ShorTie: I dont get it... You msg appear on the notification bar, but not here on IRC (using osx colloquy)
[22:25] <ShorTie> did it as a notice
[22:26] <plugwash> honestly I don't care too much about apt-get update, it's only burning CPU and network bandwidth both of which are plentiful
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[22:28] <fred1807> still getting permission denied for root ssh login
[22:28] <ShorTie> did you reboot ??
[22:29] <fred1807> duh
[22:29] <plugwash> fred1807, are you trying to use key or password?
[22:30] <fred1807> password, but I will reboot now, that is why the "duh"
[22:33] <plugwash> Have you checked the setting of PermitRootLogin in your sshd config file?
[22:33] <TankGirl> RIP PI
[22:33] <TankGirl> welp, time to get a model 3
[22:39] <fred1807> canI enable /etc/init.d/rcS on jessie?
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[23:12] <c-pin> ok ive decided to use myethernet hub to sp[lit my connection between my computer and the pi zero
[23:13] <c-pin> think thatll work at all?
[23:14] <c-pin> mfw i can use my phone omg
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[23:26] <c-pin> wait im confused
[23:26] <c-pin> i got my wireless to work but i dont know the codes for my router?
[23:28] <c-pin> so i cant connect to it
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[23:29] <fred1807> the stock /boot/config.txt in the new Jessie sems radically different from the older version I had.... It has a paramenter to start audio modele (?) and does not have device tree anymore
[23:30] <c-pin> this is weird... how the hell do i find my router?
[23:30] <c-pin> or ip address
[23:30] <c-pin> cant very well configure wireless without a "router"
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[23:32] <c-pin> idk theres gotta be a guide for configuring wireless...
[23:33] <c-pin> i have to use the interface dropdown box, but then it asks me for... dns servers, dns search
[23:33] <c-pin> isnt there a scan button?
[23:34] <methuzla> fred1807, what do you mean doesn't have device tree?
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[23:35] <fred1807> methuzla: My old raspbian had this line device_tree= on config.txt Now I dont see this line . Also now there is a line to start the bcm sound modelo, Something that did not existed before
[23:35] <methuzla> i think device tree is on by default, so no need for that line
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[23:36] <c-pin> so is there like an easier wifi config or do is there a weay to find this information its asking for?
[23:37] <fred1807> methuzla: how do I enable raspbian backports?
[23:37] <fred1807> jessie
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[23:39] <c-pin> i GUESS i found the ip... its the ip i use to login?
[23:39] <c-pin> now i need to know what the router field even means
[23:40] <methuzla> fred1807, don't know
[23:43] <c-pin> ok im stuck on step 1... launch wpa-gui from desktop
[23:44] <c-pin> there isnt a wpa-gui
[23:44] <c-pin> i have watsebasket
[23:46] <c-pin> is there a wpa-gui on jessie?
[23:46] <c-pin> cause that would be incredibly useful
[23:49] <c-pin> nah this is some horseshit. i cant get the dongle to even make a connection
[23:49] <c-pin> ill wait for the new cables to come in and see where that leads
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