#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-04-11

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:08] <salviaD> can I add this repo to my raspbian? deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
[0:14] <tat_> any body in here that has some experience with the uart clock ?
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[0:51] <nexace-> just put together a Raspberry PI3 with Raspbian installed. I have the video output through HDMI connected to a TV but no sound is coming out. When trying to run a youtube video, I get a "Missing Plugin" alert then the video plays with no sound. Any ideas how to get sound working?
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[0:54] <migario> nexace: you running default desktop ? try the speaker on top right with mouse. if not misteken you can select output using hdmi or analog
[0:54] <migario> *mistaken
[0:54] <nexace-> yes volume is up and selected on hdmi
[0:54] <nexace-> still no sound
[0:54] <nexace-> default desktop
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[0:58] <methuzla> raspi-config -> advanced options -> audio -> force hdmi
[0:58] <methuzla> or read here and hack config.txt: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
[0:59] <migario> thank you methuzla. i was afk
[1:01] <nexace-> methuzla: the raspi-config thing didn't change anything - unless a reboot is required?
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[1:01] <nexace-> methuzla: i'm looking into the elinux site now
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[1:05] <methuzla> nexace- reboot required
[1:05] <nexace-> roger
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[1:29] <raphydaphy> Where can i find a cheap relay that can switch a 240v AC plug
[1:30] <shiftplusone> raphydaphy: keep in mind you can switch a relay directly with a pi. They require more current than you can safely source from a gpio pin.
[1:30] <raphydaphy> But i still need the relay to switch?
[1:31] <methuzla> *can't
[1:31] <shiftplusone> whoops.... bad typo!
[1:31] <shiftplusone> thanks, methuzla
[1:31] <raphydaphy> lol
[1:31] <raphydaphy> I was going to use an arduino to control the relay which would send the state over to the pi
[1:32] <raphydaphy> probably a esp8266 board to switch the relay
[1:32] <raphydaphy> Does this work? http://www.banggood.com/Two-way-Solid-State-Relay-Module-For-Arduino-p-979855.html?currency=AUD&createTmp=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_content=jude&utm_campaign=ele-xie-au&gclid=CjwKEAjw86e4BRCnzuWGlpjLoUcSJACaHG55i3Qakrt6Q1Z1xLLiQgIr6oUd4pUEI-oXGJhRCCIfVBoCQIPw_wcB
[1:34] <methuzla> in theory, yes (up to 2A)
[1:34] <raphydaphy> Oh - so what do i need to switch a lamp or something like that?
[1:35] <methuzla> same thing, but rated for current draw of lamp (or whatever)
[1:35] <raphydaphy> okey dokey, thanks :)
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[2:07] <bloodwire> My raspberry is connected with an hdmi cable, when I power it on, I see all the initializations and then when its finished it just shows a black screen and a blinken cursor. What could be the cause of this?
[2:08] <TopNerds> format and re-install the OS
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[2:08] <TopNerds> if you can download the OS via torrent
[2:09] <bloodwire> Its just weird how it was actively working 30 minutes ago... and now this issue..
[2:10] <TopNerds> did you force poweroff ?
[2:10] <bloodwire> yes
[2:10] <TopNerds> ... dont do that
[2:10] <bloodwire> just one time
[2:10] <TopNerds> it can cause problems on the OS / SD card
[2:11] <bloodwire> oo, aw man
[2:11] <bloodwire> oh well, just another os will do.
[2:12] <TopNerds> I'm having the same problem with the new version of raspbian
[2:13] <TopNerds> I format my SD card install the latest version of raspbian, istall all the updates using the command line "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y" and if i reboot sometimes the mouse dont work or the OS just dont boot
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[2:14] <bloodwire> My PI came with a 8GB SDCard. When I updated and installed gedit, my memory was already full -.0 so I went out and bought a 32GB.
[2:14] <bloodwire> Unless I had to tweak something else because that was just to quick...
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[2:16] <TopNerds> the blinken cursor is because of you force the poweroff
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[3:45] <derek0112> HI
[3:46] <derek0112> anybody tried to make a Email server on the Pi?
[3:47] <shiftplusone> yes
[3:48] <derek0112> I made one during weekend
[3:48] <derek0112> it seems to be working now
[3:48] <derek0112> but I have some question
[3:49] <derek0112> I have two same mail address like name@domain.com
[3:49] <derek0112> one is one other server
[3:49] <derek0112> so when people send email to this address, sometimes both mails can receive
[3:50] <derek0112> still, some emails cannot come
[3:50] <derek0112> why?
[3:51] <derek0112> when I tried to set it on my phone or thunderbird, it came out they could not find the server
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[7:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[8:41] <ermias> hi
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[9:02] <carel> hi
[9:02] <carel> anyone available for a quick chat
[9:03] <carel> no one?
[9:03] <carel> Is everyone AFK?
[9:03] <carel> can that be
[9:03] <carel> 335 AFKs
[9:04] <carel> wow
[9:05] <carel> was going to offer a mirrir in africa
[9:05] <carel> but yeah
[9:05] <carel> no worries
[9:05] <carel> chears
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[9:05] <lordievader> Pff
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[9:24] <robingr> This is IRC.
[9:24] <robingr> You have to be patient sometimes
[9:28] <M0SPN> people are strange
[9:28] <M0SPN> when you're a stranger
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[10:10] <lordievader> M0SPN: :)
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[10:55] <migario> i'm attempting to setup wifi access point with pi3/raspbian. i started with this guide http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot, but was later redirected to https://frillip.com/using-your-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-with-hostapd/. But i get stuck at editing /etc/default/hostapd. The file simply doesn't exist for me. I was unable to find similar related issue(s), and am now kinda stuck. Because topic is new to me following a guide see
[10:56] <migario> perhaps someone around have any pointers ?
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[11:37] <brianx> migario: a pi makes a lousy performance access point, the ethernet goes through USB and is a bottleneck.
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[11:45] <migario> brianx: i am aware of that, according to the reports on that subject. Thank you for the confirmation. despite being so, i can't seem to figure out what went wrong and why every guide on the nets is efering to that file, while i haven't.
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[11:46] <migario> *haven't got that file (something broke in mid sentence)
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[11:48] <brianx> migario: maybe you installed a different version of hostap? check their release notes for a recent version.
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[11:58] <migario> brianx: i took whatever apt-get throwed at me. Do you suggest to install a newer version ?
[12:00] <brianx> migario: i don't suggest installing it. but since you have, read the release notes to find out where they moved the file you're looking at editing.
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[12:56] <mia__> is it possible t use opengl without startx ?
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[13:00] <ries> mia__: it's been a while since I did anything with OPenGL but in theory that shouldn't be a problem,
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[13:14] <migario> you could always use mesa afaik
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[13:23] <migario> brianx: there must be something wrong with my reading skills. But, i think i noticed something from a sidetrack. Am i getting (any) closer mentioning interfaces and post-up ?
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[13:34] <mia__> ries, hmmm
[13:34] <mia__> I ws trying to run scummvm without going into startx
[13:34] <mia__> but it does not seem to work in opengl mode
[13:34] <mia__> it works in normal mode
[13:35] <mia__> Also I tried doing this: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-swx11
[13:35] <mia__> I think I broke something now startx does not start :(
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[13:42] <migario> mia__: http://www.geeks3d.com/20160209/raspberry-pi-new-version-of-raspbian-jessie-with-opengl-2-1-support/
[13:42] <migario> note the words experimental
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[14:29] <migario> brianx: found my culprit. thank you for the suggestions
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[15:25] <salviaD> how can I install ffmpeg from repo?
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[15:40] <Kanerix> You mean like 'sudo apt-get install ffmpeg' or some other thing?
[15:41] <Kanerix> ah, there isn't a package for that
[15:41] <Kanerix> one sec
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[15:42] <salviaD> yes... I am trying to find any repo I could add to be able to "apt-get install ffmpeg"
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[15:46] <Kanerix> In the past, I've had to compile it manually
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[15:47] <Kanerix> but that worked out for me because I only needed certain codecs and needed some optimizations
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[15:51] <Kanerix> I don't know if this one will work, but you could try it: https://packages.debian.org/sid/armhf/ffmpeg/download
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[15:52] <Kanerix> which rpi do you have?
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[15:53] <salviaD> b+
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[15:54] <Kanerix> That's hard float, right?
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[15:54] <Kanerix> Anyway, try that repo and see if you can install ffmpeg from that. If not, you might have to compile from source
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[16:00] <H4ndy> Aren't all Raspis Hardfloat?
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[16:01] <H4ndy> that was the selling point back "then"
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[16:02] <Kanerix> Probably. I couldn't remember
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[16:09] <salviaD> Kanerix: cannot install that pkg... need to learn how to compile
[16:10] <Kanerix> Yeah, sorry, you probably are
[16:10] <Kanerix> There's a lot of articles about compiling ffmpeg
[16:10] <Kanerix> you should be able to find some stuff to help you
[16:11] <Kanerix> It will be easiest to do it on the pi, because setting up cross-compilers is a pain in the ass
[16:11] <salviaD> probably
[16:11] <Kanerix> and compiling on the thing is very slow
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[16:53] <TaxicletteSan> Hello people
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[17:01] <devster31> why does raspbian use dphys-swapfile instead of a standard /etc/fstab mount?
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[17:11] <vagrantc> probably because it dynamically allocates a swap file of "appropriate" size.
[17:12] <TheLostAdmin> it makes it easier in terms of setting up the partitions on the SD card AND it lets you more easily move the swapfile off the SD card (which reduces the write count for the SD card).
[17:12] <Kanerix> noatime reduces the write counts as well
[17:13] <TheLostAdmin> Yes, but since the swap file is going to be written to every time a swap event happens, moving it eliminates all of those writes.
[17:13] <stiv> hey, what if we created the swapfile in a ram disk? that way it would be faster AND not take up precious SD card space
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[17:14] <TheLostAdmin> Knock yourself out stiv.
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[17:14] <stiv> heh
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[17:14] <TheLostAdmin> I find a 10 year old 1GB USB thumb drive makes a great swap location. I have a jar of them sitting on my desk that rarely get used. I don't care when it dies. I'll just pull the next one out of the jar.
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[17:15] <Kanerix> I just live dangerously and don't use a swap file
[17:16] <Kanerix> On my desktop machine, if my 32 GB ram machine has to swap to disk, I've got much bigger problems.
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[17:18] <TheLostAdmin> I haven't found a way to get 32GB of ram on my raspberry pi, or I would pretty much do the same thing.
[17:19] <Kanerix> Like I said, I live dangerously >_>
[17:19] <stiv> does the pi chip have the address lines for 32 GB of mem?
[17:19] <Kanerix> the 3 is technically a 64 bit chip
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[17:20] <TheLostAdmin> stiv, no.
[17:20] <stiv> that would be the buss width (presumably) and not the address space
[17:20] <stiv> TheLostAdmin, thanks
[17:21] <Kanerix> I didn't think there was a difference, but okay
[17:21] <vagrantc> is the pi3 actually able to run at 64-bit yet? i thought there were issues with the boot firmware that effectively limited it 32-bit mode.
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[17:21] <Kanerix> I haven't seen a kernel yet that can do it
[17:21] <Kanerix> So it is currently in 32 bit mode
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[17:23] <twolife> vagrantc: there is work in progress to get uboot in 64bit mode https://github.com/swarren/u-boot/commits/rpi_dev
[17:23] <TheLostAdmin> More specifically, the SOC that the Raspberry Pi is built on has 1GB of RAM built into the chip. There are no address lines exposed, so you can't add RAM. Additionally, the ARM CPU design used limits RAM to at most 1GB.
[17:24] <Kanerix> Oh, neat
[17:24] <Kanerix> Also, rpi-update just downloaded a new kernel
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[17:25] <Kanerix> I should reboot and see what it is...
[17:25] <Kanerix> brb
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[17:26] <Kanerix> Okay, this thing boots very quickly
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[17:26] <Kanerix> still not 64 bit =/
[17:27] <vagrantc> well, not going to see much difference using the same user-space even if the kernel was 64-bit capable
[17:27] <Kanerix> I'm not sure what the difference between armv7 and armv8 are, but in 32 bit mode, it only reports as armv7
[17:28] <TheLostAdmin> I don't see much value in 64-bit on a Pi. The only thing it is going to help is heavy duty number crunching and why would you do that on a Pi?
[17:28] <vagrantc> the differences are actually more complicated than any sane person would care to delve into (e.g. armv8 isn't strictly 64-bit)
[17:29] <Kanerix> TheLostAdmin, I'm planning on using it for real time video processing for my robot. I'm not sure if that counts as number crunching or if it will help in the end, but the added speed over the rpi2 is nice
[17:30] <Kanerix> and especially the built-in wifi
[17:30] <vagrantc> the rpi3 is noticeably faster than the rpi2?
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[17:31] <Kanerix> I haven't been able to test it yet, but higher clock at any rate
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[17:31] <Kanerix> I'm just hopeful
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[17:33] <TheLostAdmin> Kanerix, I'm not entirely sure about video processing (as far as getting any benefit with 64-bits) but I would imagine the increase in clock speed will help (although I've not tried mysefl).
[17:33] <TheLostAdmin> s/mysefl/myself/
[17:34] <Kanerix> Yeah, I'm scrounging for every last bit I can get
[17:34] <Kanerix> object and motion tracking, even on the 2, suffer dismal performance
[17:34] <Kanerix> But, it is to be expected, all things considered
[17:34] <Kanerix> and it is a very computationally difficult problem
[17:35] <Kanerix> Can't put a GTX980 on a few AA batteries and say go
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[18:11] <at0m> Kanerix: afaik, gstreamer does hw transcoding on rpi
[18:12] <at0m> the video chip is the same rpi2/3
[18:12] <Kanerix> It's not a matter of transcoding it. That's easy. This is trying to figure out what's actually in the video
[18:12] <Kanerix> What objects are shown
[18:13] <at0m> i see. sounds tough indeed
[18:14] <stiv> i wonder if the little pi has enough horsepower to run a previously trained neural network for image recognition?
[18:15] <Kanerix> The RPi2 got about 1.3 FPS in opentld on a previously trained image recognition model and created the model at 0.8 FPS
[18:15] * stiv is still at the blinky lights/temp sensor stage of his pi education
[18:16] <stiv> interesting Kanerix
[18:16] <Kanerix> Also, it's not exactly using a neural network
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[18:16] <Kanerix> That would imply lots of a little processors, whereas this has 4 normal processors
[18:17] <Kanerix> and blinky lights are a start
[18:18] <Kanerix> Everyone has to start somewhere
[18:18] <Kanerix> My start was more along the lines of other microcontrollers controlling a robot with an ultrasonic sensor and lego motors
[18:19] <Kanerix> but that was like 10 years ago
[18:32] <DK-HaZe> I have a server where I have mounted "through network to pi" an external drive, then I have mounted some Folders from my NAS. But I cannot copy between the external and the NAS folders. My transmission can write fine to the NAS Folders, Midtnight Commander gives out this "Cannot chown target directory "files" Permission denied (13)" I can use cp with no problem between the external drive and the NAS folders
[18:35] <Kanerix> I can't remember the details, but I think samba has a separate user permissions thing than linux
[18:35] <Kanerix> smbpasswd or something
[18:35] <asagk> By what protocol DK-HaZe? NFS? SMB?
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[18:37] <DK-HaZe> All drives are NTFS, mounted through terminal
[18:37] <DK-HaZe> smb it think_
[18:37] <DK-HaZe> ??
[18:37] <Kanerix> Yeah
[18:38] <DK-HaZe> Just cant figure out why I can cp but Midtnight Commander wont work witout it saying the permission denied
[18:39] <DK-HaZe> I have tried sudo into MC and tried not to, with no change in behavior
[18:39] <Kanerix> Are you running mc or cp as root?
[18:40] <Kanerix> I've never used mc, so I'm just guessing
[18:41] <asagk> Sounds odd, that cp works but mc does not.
[18:41] <DK-HaZe> I've sudo cp one file to the NAS folders no problem, then I sudo into mc and try the same, with error
[18:42] <DK-HaZe> asagk, my thoughts to
[18:43] <asagk> Did you try to create some folder on NAS where permissions are set by some Windows installation to "everyone" and "guests" having all permissions?
[18:43] <DK-HaZe> I have reset my NAS box, set it up exactly as before, everything works but MC
[18:44] <asagk> What you might miss is a permission for user on a folder on NAS, I guess. So good choice to test first if lowered permission settings for NTFS does make a change
[18:44] <Kanerix> Does mc have/need ntfs support?
[18:44] <asagk> Maybe create some "pi" user on NTFS
[18:44] <Kanerix> That should be handled by the OS, I would think
[18:45] <asagk> I am not sure if mc can see that, apart from generic smb
[18:46] <asagk> If at all...
[18:46] <DK-HaZe> I have external drives that are connected through another pi on the network, they run NTFS and connects fine
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[18:48] <DK-HaZe> Ive now tried to remove all other users only having the one I use to use..
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[18:48] <asagk> Hmm...I am not to much into smb, I must admit. I use NFS instead. One Pi running as a server and the rest booting via NFS from the pi-server. I am not sure if i can help really. More like guessing...
[18:49] <DK-HaZe> thats all I do, and have been doing all day asagk :)
[18:49] <asagk> Hehe
[18:49] <DK-HaZe> guessing
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[18:49] <DK-HaZe> I really want to start over, reinstall everything..
[18:50] <Kanerix> can you do it without mc?
[18:50] <DK-HaZe> no
[18:50] <brutus> what's an easy way to turn off ipv6? i added net.ipv6.conf.all.disable ipv6 = 1 to the /etc/sysctl.conf file but that doesn't work after a reboot
[18:50] <asagk> Sonar_Guy, did you compare settings from the other pi with the one that refuses access for mc? like smb-settings and passwords?
[18:50] <DK-HaZe> I handle all my data with mc though terminals
[18:51] <DK-HaZe> Kanerix
[18:51] <DK-HaZe> the program MC, is it member of an group or user ?
[18:51] <DK-HaZe> and can i change that somehow
[18:51] <asagk> both
[18:52] <asagk> always both...for any file
[18:52] <Kanerix> brutus, is dhcp starting it?
[18:52] <brutus> Kanerix: i assume so
[18:52] <brutus> just installed it. it's not getting an ipv4, only ipv6
[18:52] <brutus> and i'm unable to turn off dhcp for ipv6 on my router
[18:53] <DK-HaZe> then I need to find out how to see what it belongs to.
[18:53] <Kanerix> Which dhcp client is it using?
[18:54] <asagk> DK-HaZe, chaging mc group to like root is a very bad choice when it comes to security. Don't do something like that. There certainly is a correct solution, instead of creating flaws
[18:54] <brutus> whatever comes stock. dhclient i assume?
[18:54] <Kanerix> I think there's a conf somewhere that can force them to only do ipv4 instead of ipv6, but I don't remember off the top of my head and it depends on the client
[18:54] <asagk> Dk-HaZe, "ls -l <path>/mc"
[18:55] <DK-HaZe> oh yes,
[18:55] <asagk> might be "/bin/mc" or "/usr/bin/mc"
[18:56] <DK-HaZe> I don't know what I'm doing right now..
[18:57] <asagk> findign out what usr+grp for mc was like?
[18:58] <asagk> But I am guessing that is not the issue. It's more like difference in smbpasswd smb settings
[18:58] <Kanerix> brutus, I have dhcpcd running on my system
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[18:58] <Kanerix> Run 'ps -ax | grep dhc'
[18:58] <brutus> and it suddenly got an ipv4 address
[18:58] <brutus> strange
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[18:59] <brutus> well, that's good enough for me :P
[18:59] <brutus> dhcpcd indeed
[19:00] <Kanerix> Well, there's confs in /etc for either client
[19:00] <Kanerix> if you want to go digging
[19:00] <brutus> nah i'm good. just need to fix the locales because it set uk instead of a normal us keyboard. after that i'm good
[19:00] <DK-HaZe> no I just dont know what to do right now, I feel like I have tried so much, it makes no sense to me.. They connect and are able to cp in terminal but using mc wont work, permission issue.. but why. the Folders permissions is this when not mounted drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 11 18:41 folder
[19:01] <DK-HaZe> when mounted drwxrwx--- 2 root 11578 0 Apr 11 20:46 folder
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[19:01] <brutus> thanks Kanerix
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[19:03] <asagk> DK-HaZe try change permissions to 777 for the directory mount, when mounted. There are no user permissions for anything on that folder with 770 (drwxrwx--).
[19:05] <asagk> secondly the user 11578 might not be a user your system seems to notice. That is certainly a problem as well
[19:05] <asagk> Can you take a look from your other pi who maps to user 11578?
[19:06] <DK-HaZe> asagk I cant change the permissions when the NAS folder is mounted, the user 11578 is from NAS to
[19:06] <asagk> ah, ok
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[19:07] <Kanerix> Welp, I'm out. Being sick sucks.
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[19:08] <asagk> DK-HaZe On my system that works well, changing attributes on a mounted directory. are you sure "sudo chmod 777 <mount-dir>" does not work on your system?
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[19:09] <DK-HaZe> changing permissions of `/media/film': Input/output error
[19:09] <DK-HaZe> woops, no one saw that, wrong folder
[19:09] <asagk> hehe
[19:09] <DK-HaZe> well it's the same message
[19:13] <asagk> I do not get why that is. Changing permissions of the mount point does not interfere with NAS, cause it only happens on your system, not on the NAS file system. That is odd!
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[19:14] <asagk> Try take a look for the permissions of the /media by "ls -l /". That permissions are set on "/media"?
[19:15] <asagk> What permissions are set on "/media"?
[19:15] <DK-HaZe> drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Apr 11 18:39 media
[19:16] <asagk> okokok_, let's try a "sudo chmod 777 /media" first. We can remeber it was 755 before to change back later
[19:16] <DK-HaZe> should i unmount my various drive in there_
[19:16] <DK-HaZe> ?
[19:17] <asagk> no
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[19:17] <asagk> it does not change anything on the mount. everything before what is in /media/film is on your system, not the NAS
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[19:18] <asagk> btw. you can turn back by "sudo chmod 755 /media" later any time :)
[19:19] <DK-HaZe> did not do any difference
[19:19] <asagk> did the "sudo chmod 777 /media" work so far, DK-HaZe?
[19:20] <DK-HaZe> It is changed
[19:20] <asagk> Well, if that worked, try now a "sudo chmod 777 /media/film". Just to take a look if that might work now for you
[19:20] <asagk> or whatever the mount point name was
[19:21] <DK-HaZe> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/film': Input/output error
[19:21] <asagk> and "df -h" tells that this is the correct mount?
[19:21] <DK-HaZe> yes
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[19:23] <DK-HaZe> I can also se my files so it is mounted
[19:23] <asagk> what does "df -h" tell on your other pi then? as well as "ls -l <mount-point> on that other system
[19:23] <asagk> k
[19:24] <DK-HaZe> The other pi is media server, I only have SMB shared drives there, no ssh
[19:24] <DK-HaZe> media center not server :
[19:25] <asagk> How do you log into that system to take a look from time to time then?
[19:25] <asagk> not via ssh?
[19:26] <DK-HaZe> The Media Center is only connected to the tv, the drives is pluged in to it and shared over SMB, my PI Server then Mounts them, the same with NAS raid server
[19:27] <asagk> I see
[19:27] <DK-HaZe> I only look on the files on that system and update Kodi :)
[19:27] <asagk> :)
[19:27] <asagk> where is you mc located? "/usr/bin/mc" ?
[19:28] <DK-HaZe> /etc/mc
[19:28] <DK-HaZe> no your right..
[19:28] <DK-HaZe> what..
[19:28] <DK-HaZe> wait
[19:28] <asagk> your mc binary is in /etc? This might be true
[19:29] <DK-HaZe> I've got a dir called /etc/mc/ and there is the /user/bin/mc file to
[19:29] <asagk> take a look in /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[19:30] <asagk> okokok_, can you do a "ls -l /usr/bin/mc" just for remebering what permissions and owners are atm
[19:30] <DK-HaZe> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 775420 Oct 26 2012 /usr/bin/mc
[19:31] <asagk> with root group it should already be able to read/write into your mount ... but having mc rooted is not so good after all
[19:31] <asagk> did you try mc again?
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[19:32] <DK-HaZe> yes and with no luck
[19:32] <asagk> perhaps it was blocked from the 755 on /media
[19:32] <asagk> what a pity
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[19:33] <DK-HaZe> yes, maybe I should try starting from scratch, it just a lot of work
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[19:34] <asagk> can you change attributes on the mounted folder from the NAS side? like open it up a little more. I am guessing, but I believe the user 11578 is the issue in all this
[19:34] <asagk> your other pi might know what this user is... perhaps even kodi itself?!
[19:36] <asagk> A small chance is to fake this user in /etc/passwd and give mc a user that lists that id as well as some other like pi. but that is not so funny and not the best possible solution. NAS should learn to recognize you as pi user instead, not the other way
[19:37] <asagk> faking user number is always very bad approach
[19:38] <DK-HaZe> I don't even remember the 11578 being there before, the cheap NAS-Raid station I have is very minimalistic, I can ad a new user with password but that all. The other Media Center have never been connected to the NAS it all runs though the server.
[19:39] <DK-HaZe> I was thinking trying to fake it, but again. as you said it should be easier another way, and the correct way.
[19:40] <asagk> having mc root:root is also not so good. beter create a mc-user and change it's group by adding root to it's entry, so mc belongs to root group as well as whatever else group it belongs to
[19:41] <DK-HaZe> I'm not sure if I should try and reconfigure the NAS again, maybe I made an error somewhere and thats the reason it wont work as it use to
[19:41] <asagk> to the "/media" at 777 is fine. You do not need to revert this really. You kight just leave it that way
[19:42] <DK-HaZe> btw I have two root when I terminal 'users'
[19:42] <asagk> changing the NAS settings sounds like a good choice to me at this point
[19:42] <DK-HaZe> is that normal
[19:42] <DK-HaZe> okay, cus the nas is empty right now, so I can just reset the sucker
[19:43] <asagk> have a "cat /etc/passwd" to take a look if everything is ok
[19:43] <asagk> There should be one single root entry in the very beginning of the file
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[19:44] <at0m> http://venturebeat.com/2016/04/08/nexdock-the-149-laptop-shell-passes-300000-funding-goal/
[19:44] <asagk> something lokking like "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh"
[19:44] <asagk> *looking
[19:45] <DK-HaZe> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[19:45] <asagk> yes that's it. ans it looks fine :)
[19:45] <asagk> *and
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[19:46] <DK-HaZe> good
[19:47] <DK-HaZe> hmm, I've got another user on this system, didnt know that.
[19:47] <asagk> Try change the NAS for a little more open connectivity perhaps? The problem seems to be more like the user 11578 and no user rights available... but that is on the NAS, not on pi(debian) side
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[19:48] <DK-HaZe> okay, I just try and reconfigure it to begin with, it have worked before I changed drives in it.
[19:49] <asagk> tricking user id is not a solution really. You might not want to do that. But try change /usr/bin/mc to user and group pi
[19:49] <asagk> You should not have mc running as root all the time. That's not so nice
[19:50] <asagk> try a "chown pi:pi /usr/bin/mc"
[19:50] <asagk> perhaps with sudo at the begining of the cmdline
[19:50] <DK-HaZe> the NAS is formating :)
[19:50] <asagk> ^^
[19:50] <DK-HaZe> might take some time, but I'll give it a go if this does not do the trick
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[19:52] <DK-HaZe> alright, nearly dropped 1L water onto my keyboad, I hit some buttons now it removes text in front of text and is english layout.. how the _
[19:52] <DK-HaZe> t?
[19:52] <DK-HaZe> random hit and two functions changed :S
[19:53] <asagk> ouch
[19:53] <DK-HaZe> I cant change it back, dont know how :D haha
[19:53] <DK-HaZe> this is not my day
[19:53] <DK-HaZe> I'll just need a smoke, then the NAS should be done, BRB
[19:54] <asagk> how about raspi-config. just to keep things easy
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[19:55] <DK-HaZe> easies solution would to put in the old drives again, they are still configured for the working NAS setup..
[19:56] <asagk> ah, noes
[19:56] <asagk> you will make it finally
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[20:05] <asagk> for your mc perhaps safest solution might be to create a mc user, and add additional groups pi and root to it, but no home-dir, no login and no passwd. look into the command "adduser" and it's options by "man adduser" for that and when done change "usr/bin/mc" to the mc user and group by "sudo mc:mc /usr/bin/mc"
[20:06] <asagk> *"sudo chown mc:mc /usr/bin/mc"
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[20:29] <DK-HaZe> okay reconfiguring didnt do nothing
[20:29] <asagk> what does "ls -l /media" tell then? Still this odd UID of 11578?
[20:30] <DK-HaZe> yes
[20:32] <asagk> is there any way to share a folder from the NAS and set permissions for that, like full access to everyone, so it will be possible to make some minor changes to that folder and revert this completely open folder to some more safe configuration?
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[20:33] <DK-HaZe> asagk I have just tried to make an guest connection instead of normal login, they have same permissions but when ls -l it now reads drwxrwxr-- 2 root root 4096 Apr 11 21:18 film
[20:34] <asagk> It's a pity I have so little knowledge about smb to tell wehter there is some way to mangle with UIDs by that. I almost never use this SMB stuff, just NFS
[20:34] <DK-HaZe> the funny thing is the guest login is with password and so on, just as the other user
[20:34] <asagk> Sounds at least a little better
[20:34] <asagk> yes, that seems to be from the smb settings on the NAS
[20:35] <DK-HaZe> okay, so that is not changeable
[20:35] <DK-HaZe> holy cow, all that for finding out I have a cheap crappy nas raid system :D
[20:35] <asagk> can you make a change with this guest settings to get this folder to some else UIDs? like "chown 1000:1000 <path>" ?
[20:36] <asagk> just to get rid of this UID=11578
[20:36] <asagk> but this would need to be done from the NAS side, not the pi side
[20:36] <DK-HaZe> no, I have no idea on what 11578 is for, the NAS has no SSH.. http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00000298
[20:37] <DK-HaZe> or maybe I'm to much of a newb to realize how >(
[20:37] <DK-HaZe> :)
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[20:38] <asagk> oh, you can do NFS with this?!
[20:38] <DK-HaZe> yes
[20:39] <DK-HaZe> Don't know why I haven't done that, btw
[20:39] <asagk> why not try NFS with this thingy
[20:40] <DK-HaZe> There were a reason I didnt use NFS, cant remember if it was problems with Media Center to mount drives when they were NFS or something else.
[20:40] <DK-HaZe> but no matter what, I can give it a try now
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[20:41] <asagk> can you configure your NAS to export the film directory via NFS?
[20:41] <DK-HaZe> I can only create a new dir as NFS
[20:41] <DK-HaZe> or CIFS
[20:42] <DK-HaZe> then add the user to the dir, and read/write privileges
[20:42] <DK-HaZe> it's very limited to setting it up, even though it runs unix
[20:42] <asagk> bloody hell
[20:43] <asagk> can you add a user to the CIFS as well? like UIDs?
[20:44] <DK-HaZe> I can only set up users by a name.
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[20:45] <asagk> well, there might be something about names with this smb stuff. perhaps smb client can mangle names into permissions with different UIDs client side. But as mentioned I am not into SMB really
[20:46] <DK-HaZe> it's just funny MC is the only real problem, why does cp work ?
[20:46] <asagk> not having one and the same folder exported via CIFS and NFS at the same time is poor actually
[20:47] <DK-HaZe> but heres a link to how it looks in the setup of the NAS system http://aphnetworks.com/reviews/thermaltake_muse_nas_raid/3
[20:47] <DK-HaZe> very minimalistic
[20:48] <DK-HaZe> So normally you would have one folder exported as CIFS and NFS?
[20:48] <asagk> well, "sudo cp" might have some different effective Groupid then mc will have. It's not a user thing. the user cannot write to this folder anyways, it's via groupid
[20:48] <asagk> yes, you can do so, if you want to access data from windows as well as from some pi at the same time. that's not a problem really
[20:50] <asagk> when you look into the permission bits it is rwxrwxr--. So users cannot write at it. just groups can. that is the problem with this NAS
[20:50] <hds-> hi there
[20:50] <DK-HaZe> asagk I need to be sure both OS can access the data, as it is for both some PI setups, server and private data.
[20:50] <hds-> i’m trying to get alsa (yes, alsa because shairport-sync doesn’t support pulse) to use my usb sound card but I can’t figure out how, can anybody help?
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[20:52] <DK-HaZe> asagk I can create groups would that help?
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[20:53] <DK-HaZe> I only would have two users in their having full access, but would it make any difference on the NAS part instead of individually adding users to the folders permissions
[20:53] <DK-HaZe> -permissions
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[20:54] <asagk> DK-HaZe, I take a look into this pdf doc from your NAS...just a minute
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[21:03] <asagk> DK-HaZe, perhaps having two users in the same group could help. The document does not tell about this is handled internally into file system GID:UID. But it's worth a try at least
[21:04] <asagk> try configure NAS for one and the same export folder with two different users but in the same group. You might need to change smb settings on your pi afterwards then
[21:06] <DK-HaZe> we think alike, I've just made two users, that are in the same group, none of the makes a difference even if the group I add to the permission table or individual users
[21:07] <DK-HaZe> the only one where I can get access is with the build in guest user that is open to everyone.
[21:07] <DK-HaZe> I cannot change the guest password either.
[21:08] <asagk> well, add something like a user pi with a password then?
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[21:10] <DK-HaZe> Just added a pi user with pass, out of the group, and added it to the folders permission table.. no change
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[21:11] <asagk> well, now you need to configure your smbpasswd and add that user in there. else it wouldn't work. your local smb client does not know right now what user and password to use for connection
[21:11] <asagk> you have to tell it first
[21:12] <DK-HaZe> I have done following "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=pi,password=1234 // /media/folder"
[21:13] <asagk> so what does it tell then? can you work on it?
[21:14] <DK-HaZe> same as the other
[21:14] <DK-HaZe> no luck
[21:15] <DK-HaZe> I think this NAS station is too locked to be able to do anything really, I have until now only been able to get Guest account on NAS to work
[21:16] <asagk> that's kind of poor. try export the folder via nfs. just to give it a chance.
[21:17] <DK-HaZe> Yes, I'm gonna try it out now
[21:17] <asagk> you could have had a cheaper NAS I guess using a pi+USB-drive or banana+SSD I guess -.-
[21:19] <DK-HaZe> still if I use pi my networking speed is way to low.
[21:19] <DK-HaZe> Don't know how banana does in that field
[21:21] <asagk> Well, banana does 1000/100/10mbit and has a single SATA interface onboard. At least fair enough for some 2" HDD/SSD
[21:22] <asagk> Cheap but not to bad I'd say
[21:24] <DK-HaZe> I need something new, as I run server on RPi2, and I have a NAS / Raid that sux, I want something that can run both, with a minimum of 4 disk or more.
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[21:25] <asagk> Let's see if we get yours working first :)
[21:26] <asagk> so, how about exporting NFS then? Did you manage to export your folder via NFS?
[21:26] <DK-HaZe> I need a user for NFS, but got a bit lost, It tells me that I should put in the IP of the user
[21:27] <DK-HaZe> I made a folder but it is called something else, to be able to make a user for the folder I need to set static IP for the user and so on..
[21:27] <DK-HaZe> I don't like that
[21:28] <DK-HaZe> then I cant use the NFS user from other then one station
[21:28] <asagk> there is no chance to export the same folder, you have already exported via CIFS? perhaps export some folder inside of the exported CIFS folder then?
[21:29] <DK-HaZe> no, I can create a new folder in NFS
[21:29] <DK-HaZe> thats all
[21:29] <asagk> that's true. and not a really good solution ... more kind of a work around
[21:29] <DK-HaZe> well
[21:29] <asagk> crappy NAS, I must admit
[21:29] <DK-HaZe> haha, very crappy
[21:29] <asagk> how about the idea of sharing data then?
[21:30] <DK-HaZe> what you mean ?
[21:30] <asagk> well, NAS is maybe for sharing data in a workgroup isn't it? Your NAS does not like this idea to much it seems
[21:32] <DK-HaZe> haha, thermaltake they thought we'll make a nas with linux, open source, and locked muhaha
[21:33] <asagk> But perhaps there is something I do not get about SMB/CIFS cause I am not into that. I don't like this file system actually, as I do not like Windows. Sorry. Perhaps you will find someone else having mor sophisticated ideas about how to get this work via SMB, then I could do. :)
[21:33] <asagk> Sorry, mate!
[21:35] <DK-HaZe> asagk, I really don't think anyone can help with this junk :D You were a big help for me, thank you. I'm still new to linux so it was nice with some help.
[21:35] <DK-HaZe> If you didn't help, I would still sit here in 3 days, trust me
[21:37] <DK-HaZe> I just make a fast solution, when I need the data to get transfered from my servers to the NAS folders I give the guest access only when I use it. Permanent solution must be a new tiny tiny computer, under 45W with 4 Disk of about 2TB running server, NAS
[21:41] <asagk> you might get into trouble with just 45W. Might be to little for the 4 drives. Finding a computer consuming less then 20W is possible (ARM/ATOM/MIPS architecture). But 45W for 4 HDD might not work after all. They are more 15-25W each HDD. Just SSD is some less
[21:42] <asagk> Perhaps some of the mobile 2" HDD have some less around 10-15W each? Don't know really...
[21:44] <asagk> Well, good night for you. Getting late over here in Berlin and I think I will have some horizontal meditation for some hours now. Bye!
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[21:45] <DK-HaZe> Well good night then, It's late in Denmark to thanks again for you help..
[21:46] <DK-HaZe> Hopefully I can get something to work soon so I can relax to
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[22:16] <buddhajuke> What are folks using for youtube on omxplayer, without gui?
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[22:17] <buddhajuke> I tried a few things, nothing working great. Was a lot smoother with kodi but I want to dump kodi
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[22:19] <stiv> what is the problem with kodi?
[22:20] <buddhajuke> No problem. I'm on pi 1, so it's a bit slow. Also the most recent update to openelec crashed it for me... and instead of reinstalling it I wanted to tinker with raspbian without gui
[22:20] <buddhajuke> I got the airplay working, that was great.
[22:21] <buddhajuke> But youtube would be excellent. I tried a few of those omxplayer scripts but it only works rarely and never smooth.
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