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[10:10] <incal> is there a CLI HTML validator? on my desktop Debian, in the repos are 'validate' which I like but cannot find now in the wheezy raspbian dittos
[10:11] <incal> or is it a matter of getting the source and compile manually?
[10:14] <incal> OK, found tidy, trying it
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[12:22] <devster31> given the choice between a start-stop-daemon init script and an LSB compliant one which should I prefer?
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[13:07] <rameshg87> Hello everyone
[13:08] <rameshg87> I am new to raspberry pi and I find raspbian interesting. I would like to contribute to raspbian. But I find “Get Involved” page in https://www.raspbian.org/ doesn’t exist.
[13:09] <rameshg87> Is there somewhere I can see where I can contribute ?
[13:12] <dwaller> if you google the topic, you will see a thread where it is recommended that you contribute to debian, which will then benefit the debian project, as well as the raspbian project, since raspbian is based off of debian
[13:13] <dwaller> if you are talking about monetary contributions, there is a page for that
[13:13] <dwaller> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianDonate
[13:14] <rameshg87> dwaller: thanks for the pointer, i will check the debian project.
[13:14] <dwaller> you're welcome
[13:15] * rameshg87 wonders if i can start by fixing the GetInvolved page
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[13:26] <plugwash> hmm
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[13:28] <plugwash> What sort of contributions were you looking to make?
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[13:32] <rameshg87> plugwash: i have worked on python for about 2 years and started learning golang recently. as suggested by dwaller, i was going through the debian get involved page.
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[13:32] <rameshg87> plugwash: is checking for some bugs/orphaned packages/project written in python a good place to start ?
[13:37] <plugwash> It's certainly not a bad place to start.
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[13:39] <rameshg87> thanks. will explore.
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[13:58] <c-pin> im confused
[13:58] <c-pin> lol
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[14:03] <plugwash> diederik_, you around?
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[16:07] <lilwiz> seems like raspbian.org is offline
[16:07] <thurstylark> down for me too.
[16:09] <HerculeP> works for me
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[16:10] <stiv> seems back
[16:10] <lilwiz> yup back online
[16:10] <thurstylark> whoop. back for me :P
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[16:38] <stiv> once again, the collapse of Western Civilization is narrowly averted
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[16:40] <thurstylark> Hooray! \o/
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[17:10] <Algyz> I wonder why I sometimes cannot start raspberry with mouse attached, but only with keyboard attached it is starting, then after connecting mouse is working well
[17:11] <stiv> Algyz, anything interesting in the system log?
[17:12] <Algyz> Where to look?
[17:12] <Algyz> var/log/messages?
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[17:33] <stiv> from memory (pi is not running) /var/log/messages
[17:35] <stiv> might be other useful stuff in /var/log. also dmesgs command shows stuff from bootup
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[17:37] <Algyz> Seems nothing special
[17:38] <stiv> nothing about usb devices?
[17:39] <Algyz> Something
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[17:40] <Algyz> http://pastebin.ca/3531372
[17:47] <stiv> hmm...
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[17:49] <Algyz> Just trying to start, some white letters, then restarting, and again cycling
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[20:43] <diederik> plugwash: I am now
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[20:49] <diederik> dwaller: the bootoffset specifies how much space at the beginning of the sd card should be left alone.
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[20:52] <dwaller> some magic with bc could be used to avoid having to create the temp partition, no?
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[20:52] <dwaller> and just specifying the start and end sector when creating the partition?
[20:52] <dwaller> or am i thinking too much into it?
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[20:54] <diederik> you need to be a bit more specific than that ...
[20:55] <diederik> do you mean the partition that is only created so the others are properly created?
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[21:00] <dwaller> yeah
[21:01] <dwaller> so instead of created the dummy partition to rely on the others being created properly, just using 'bc' during the install to calculate where start/stop should be for each partition
[21:01] <diederik> that's way more complicated and therefor error prone then the method that is used now
[21:02] <diederik> remember that that partition is only created 'on paper', but not commited to disk
[21:03] <dwaller> right, but if i wanted more than three partitions, i'd have to start worrying about extended partitions
[21:03] <dwaller> it mainly only affects how i'm doing things, and not the greater population
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[21:04] <dwaller> but i don't necessarily agree that it is more error prone because it is more complicated
[21:04] <diederik> my suggestion is to only have /boot and / (root) as primary partitions and do the rest as extended partitions anyway
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[21:15] <plugwash> I just thought I'd fill you in on the status of the Debian style kernels, i've got good news and bad news.
[21:15] <plugwash> The good news is I got a Debian style 4.4 kernel to boot successfully, the bad news is it seems to need newer firmware than is currently packages
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[21:17] <diederik> that's pretty good news afaic :)
[21:17] <diederik> The current firmware package is more then a year old now (iirc), so that wasn't much of a surprise to me
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[21:18] <diederik> you are aware of Ben Hutchin's and vagrantc's attempts to get the Debian kernel to work with the Pi 2 & 3?
[21:18] <plugwash> I was aware that things were going on there but I'm not sure of the status
[21:19] * plugwash thought there were still some significant things missing from the upstream kernel
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[21:20] <dwaller> what does that mean for raspbian?
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[21:22] <diederik> plugwash: is that 4.4 kernel online somewhere so I could test/play with it?
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[21:22] <plugwash> not yet, theres still some cleanup work needed before I make it available
[21:23] <diederik> ok, poke me when they are ready if you will :)
[21:23] <dwaller> diederik: i found an issue with the 'buildroot.sh' script if you are interested
[21:23] <diederik> sure
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[21:24] <dwaller> it is calling 'fdisk' and 'kpartx' without an absolute path, maybe assuming the script is run as root?
[21:24] <dwaller> both of those binaries exist in /sbin, which my regular user does not have in its path
[21:24] <diederik> that script must be run as root
[21:25] <dwaller> ah
[21:25] <dwaller> ok
[21:25] <dwaller> reading comprehension. i had just skimmed the doc
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[21:31] <dwaller> i am running into an issue with kpartx not creating /dev/mapper/loop0p1 as expected
[21:31] <dwaller> it keeps creating /dev/mapper/loop1p1
[21:33] <diederik> I _think_ that 'umount /dev/mapper/loop0p1' should fix that, but it happens so sparingly that I'm not sure
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[21:35] <dwaller> that's the thing, it doesn't actually exist on my system
[21:35] <dwaller> there are no other loop devices that i can tell
[21:36] <dwaller> i can turn it into a variable, but that assumes no other loop devices would be available at that given time, which is dangerous
[21:36] <dwaller> i could throw a verbose flag on kpartx, and examine the output, which would probably be the safest
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[21:39] <diederik> it's not the most robust part of the code, but as it rarely causes issues there hasn't been much incentive to make it fool-proof.
[21:39] <diederik> If you reboot your machine, the issue should be gone
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[22:46] <plugwash> dwaller, if you are talking about the support for the pi2/pi3 in the Debian kernel it doesn't mean much for raspbian at least in the short term
[22:47] <plugwash> even if it's fully functional (which I doubt it will be at least to start with) we still need to support the pi1/pi0 for a while yet.
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[22:50] <stiv> not to mention future pi < 0 versions
[22:54] <plugwash> I expect in time even the pi0 will be replaced by a model with at least an armv7 cpu, then after a reasonable legacy support period raspbian can reach the end of the line
[22:54] <plugwash> but how many years it will be before that happens I can't say.
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[23:02] <plugwash> a year ago I thought stretch would be the last releast of raspbian. IMO we clearly need at least one release beyond that now.
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[23:04] <dwaller> so eventually raspbian will be phased out, and pi will be supported by the mainstream debian release?
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[23:10] <plugwash> Eventually raspbian will be phased out, it's likely that the raspberry pi foundation will want to keep using their own kernels and various packages on top of Debian just as they do on top of raspbian now.
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> is there any particular reason for that? or is it just the case that debian/raspbian are similar enough
[23:13] <plugwash> Debian releases are supported for about 3 years which I consider to be a reasonable legacy support period for a product, so I would expect the last raspbian release will be the next release after the BCM2835 based pi models become legacy products
[23:14] <plugwash> Acou_Bass, the whole point of raspbian is to provide a hardfloat distro that supports the armv6 based BCM2835
[23:14] <plugwash> Once everyone is on armv7 or above based pi models we don't need it anymore
[23:14] <Acou_Bass> ahh ok
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[23:16] <Acou_Bass> i suppose if/when raspbian goes byebye ill start looking at alternate distros then - im not a huge fan of debian TBH, only reason im sticking with raspbian is because it 'just works' :P
[23:19] <dwaller> the same argument could be make for debian
[23:19] <dwaller> since that is what raspbian is built off of
[23:19] <dwaller> i really prefer debian over other distros, but am typically forced to work with RHEL in my professional life
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[23:22] <Acou_Bass> yeah im more of an archer really, and now that ALARm seems to run on the pi 3 with wifi and everything i may hop to that if raspbian dies
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[23:55] <Beautiful> hi there. i dont have access to my router configs. but i am trying to set up my rpi with noobs and raspbian. any ideas? i have no screen, mouse or keyboards
[23:55] <Beautiful> on rpi that is
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[23:59] <tepidtoaster> Beautiful, even know the LAN ip of the machine you're currently using?
[23:59] <Beautiful> yes tepidtoaster ifconfig gives me that
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