#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-05-08

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[2:30] <crimson_penguin> Hello! So, I have an RPI3, the wifi used to work, and then I restarted once (I think after apt-get updating some random stuff), and it stopped working. ifconfig -a does not list wlan0, but lsmod does list brcmfmac; I can't figure out what to do next
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[2:36] <crimson_penguin> damn, didn't fix it
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[5:00] <brendenyule> Hello, I am experiencing micro-lag when in ssh on my pi. Is there a common fix for this? I am on JESSIE LITE.
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[8:40] <sexytime> how do i enable full file system on pi again?
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[8:43] <empty2> Do you mean expand disk space?
[8:43] <empty2> raspi-config as root.
[8:44] <sexytime> ah yes
[8:44] <sexytime> thanks
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[9:26] <harha_> Guys is there any reason as to why installing tigervnc, setting vncserver@:0.service to enabled and rebooting would make my raspbian lite install on rpi 3 unable to connect to a lan network with an ethernet cable? <_<
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[9:56] <Kontovers> how can I let google show not the mobile site when using raspian/iceweasel? already tried a browser plugin which pretends to be an other system
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[10:13] <PaulFertser> What would be the gotchas if I recompile the kernel with that option enabled?
[10:13] <PaulFertser> Hi there. The foundation-built kernels seem to have CONFIG_PM_RUNTIME disabled. Does anyone know the reason for that? I'm specifically looking into enabling usb autosuspend for a gsm/umts module which works nicely on my laptop, what might be the issue with rpi?
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[10:15] <Kontovers> Anyone knows how I could disable the build-in wlan in raspi 3?
[10:15] <Kontovers> want to use an own stick which should appear as wlan0
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[14:49] <Stanto> Kontovers: possible with either device tree or you just unload the driver and blacklist it, or alias it to something other than wlan0
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[14:51] <Kontovers> Stanto thx
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[15:53] <TH3-G0D5> I keep loosing control of my local shell, The session stops responding to the keyboard, I can CTL+ALT+F2 and log in again with no problems. cpu usage is normal but I cannot regain control of the unresponsive shell.
[15:53] <TH3-G0D5> This has happened at twice since the last reboot
[15:54] <TH3-G0D5> also, attempts to reboot fail
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[16:02] <diederik> PaulFertser: The network and USB are operating on the same chip and so if you disable one, you also disable the other
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[16:03] <TH3-G0D5> /join debian
[16:03] <TH3-G0D5> oops, soory
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[17:39] <PaulFertser> diederik: I'm not talking about disabling USB altogether.
[17:39] <PaulFertser> diederik: I'm talking about per-device dynimaci power management.
[17:40] <PaulFertser> diederik: of course I'm aware that the SoCs used in RPi lack ethernet MAC and so an external IC via USB is used.
[17:40] <diederik> ok. I don't know if you can control that
[17:41] <PaulFertser> diederik: have you ever tried powertop on your laptop? ;)
[17:41] <diederik> I don't have a laptop :P But you can run it on PCs too
[17:41] <PaulFertser> Yes, but people rarely do that on desktops.
[17:42] <diederik> True. Was also meant as indication that I'm familiar with the tool
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[17:42] <PaulFertser> The deal is, USB specification has a mechanism to suspend device (and for a device to signal "interrupt" to resume operation).
[17:43] <PaulFertser> And powertop usually suggests to enable USB suspend for individual devices.
[17:43] <diederik> Check whether that issue is reported here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues and if not, feel free to request it.
[17:44] <diederik> Those ppl make the raspberrypi.org kernel and thus are perfect to ask.
[17:44] <PaulFertser> diederik: I probably will, thank you. Just wondered what might be the reason behind not enabling it.
[17:45] <PaulFertser> As normal major distro kernels all have it enabled.
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[17:45] <diederik> If they don't grant your wish, I'm pretty sure they'll answer that question
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[17:46] <diederik> Another way to reach the kernel devs is through the forums, and maybe they're in #raspberrypi
[17:47] <diederik> GitHub would be the most direct and effective imo
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[17:50] <PaulFertser> diederik: I was told there're no kernel devs at #raspberrypi. I'd guess it's too hard to maintain PG13 guidelines for them.
[17:51] <diederik> probably
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[18:04] <Aristide> Hello !
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> PaulFertser, ask on the raspberrypi.org forums. that's the best place to get an answer from, I reckon.
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[18:47] <needle> howdy, is there a way to exctract the kernel config from a running arm7 rapbian kernel?
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[18:47] <needle> I'd like to figure out which modules are build in and which are not
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[18:48] <needle> Or, the other way around can someone tell me if these both options here listed, are build in ? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev#Setting_up_the_kernel_for_devtmpfs
[18:49] <needle> [*] Maintain a devtmpfs filesystem to mount at /dev
[18:49] <needle> [*] Automount devtmpfs at /dev, after the kernel mounted the rootfs
[18:50] <needle> the reason for this is, I'd like to use busybox/mdev instead of udev
[18:51] <needle> is a headless rpi2
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[18:52] <greg> anyone able to help me?
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[18:55] <greg> anyone?
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> greg, say what you need help with - don't ask to ask..
[19:05] <PaulFertser> gordonDrogon: sorry, I can hardly tolerate web forums due to their inferior usability even compared to a 20-years old NNTP client... I'll file a ticket on github instead when I get runtime PM at least barely tested.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> PaulFertser, your choice. good luck.
[19:06] <PaulFertser> gordonDrogon: well, it's not my choice to make webforums suck so much :( I can't understand why people do not realise that.
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> they don't know any better.
[19:06] <PaulFertser> But I guess that's too offtopic here to discuss, so I'll refrain.
[19:07] <PaulFertser> needle: if kernel supports /proc/config.gz then you have your config there. If not, you need to research build steps used to produce it.
[19:08] <PaulFertser> needle: rpi probably uses https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-4.4.y/arch/arm/configs/bcm2709_defconfig
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[19:14] <needle> PaulFertser: the URL helps further, and these modules mentioned above are build in. Thanks
[19:15] <PaulFertser> needle: welcome
[19:23] <JayLocke> Hello, I am a rookie when it comes to the raspberry pi but, I need some help in getting started on a simple project I want to do
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[19:24] <JayLocke> I have one retropie OS up and running well but, one thing that is kinda annoying is that unless I remote in, I dont get the GPU and CPU temp
[19:24] <greg> I no longer have power to my USB's on my RPi3?
[19:25] <JayLocke> My end goal is to have an Arduino request the CPU temp, GPU temp, IP address so that the arduino can display that on a 16x2 (I can setup the 16x2)
[19:26] <JayLocke> How can I send the information from the Pi to the Arduino using Python?
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[19:30] <PaulFertser> JayLocke: via UART would be the easiest, I'd say.
[19:31] <JayLocke> UART? As I said, I am fairly new to doing anything with the RPi, can you link me to a tutorial or documentation?
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[19:32] <PaulFertser> JayLocke: I do not have one handy, I do not even know how many UARTs does your rpi model have.
[19:33] <PaulFertser> JayLocke: if just one, you'll need to disable boot console on it (and *getty) to free it up.
[19:34] <JayLocke> Paulfester: I'll have to find out. I'll google it. Thanks!
[19:36] <Getty> i do nothing without payment
[19:36] <Getty> one char display at least 50 cent
[19:36] <Jusii> :)
[19:36] <JayLocke> lol
[19:37] <Aristide> xD
[19:37] <Aristide> Getty: I want to write my name on you
[19:37] <Aristide> :D
[19:37] <Getty> i am only there to deliver the chars to the display
[19:37] <Getty> and if i dont carry them, noone will
[19:37] <Getty> :-P
[19:38] * Aristide take a pen and write name on Getty's face
[19:38] <Getty> hehehe
[19:38] <Aristide> Sorry i'm little bored :x
[19:38] <Aristide> i say anything
[19:38] <Getty> yes, i notice
[19:38] <diederik> needle & PaulFertser: do 'modprobe configs' and then the config is available via /proc/config.gz
[19:39] <PaulFertser> diederik: heh, thank you, didn't know it's now can be a module.
[19:39] <Aristide> So, I have found my futur screen for my Pi <3
[19:40] <Aristide> Its a 320x40 screen , 2.4", and with 5 buttons \o/ I plan to use my Pi as « portable » MPD server with feature for connect automatically to Freewifi and on my mobile Phone via 4G
[19:41] <Aristide> And get music at home
[19:46] <Getty> peopel and their pis ;)
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[19:50] <Aristide> pis and love
[19:50] <Aristide> ... Sorry
[19:50] <Getty> i have so many pis, just for the sake of, and i dont use any of those ;)
[19:50] <Getty> i think 10 overall
[19:50] <Aristide> :x
[19:51] <Getty> i have a pi 3 which i never tried out
[19:51] <Aristide> I have a Olinuxino A20, Raspberry PI 2 B, and Odroid XU4
[19:51] <Getty> i bought it on day of availability
[19:51] <Getty> i tried the banana pi
[19:51] <Getty> BAD IDEA
[19:51] <Getty> that was a horrible mess
[19:52] <Getty> i think one plan of the raspberry production is to make us want always the next model
[19:52] <Aristide> (The first is for my Owncloud and MPD and VIDEOS because I have a HDD on Sata, the second for my project of « portable MPD », and third its for retrogaming on my TV lol)
[19:52] <Getty> while we still didnt figured out how to use the previous one at all
[19:52] <Getty> yeah video and micro computer ;)
[19:52] <Getty> always TOTAL AWESOME idea ;)
[19:52] <Getty> let me guess, you dont have a 60" TV, right? ;)
[19:52] <Aristide> Yes because, 2GB of ram and a beautiful x4 core CPU :x
[19:52] <Aristide> No
[19:52] <Aristide> I have a small TV
[19:52] <Aristide> :x
[19:52] <Getty> and you dont have a 5.1 sound system with dolby digital, right?
[19:53] <Aristide> No ....
[19:53] <Getty> if you have all this.... then you realize how stupid a micro computer is for that all ;)
[19:53] <Getty> and next step is the 4K display.... i already wanted to order, but its too much work to "reconfigure" my room
[19:53] <Aristide> Actually I only use Kodi on my TV and streams films from my Olinuxino A20
[19:53] <Getty> i built the room AROUND the TV
[19:53] <Aristide> (via FTP)
[19:54] <Getty> LOL yeah funny, tried to use kodi on my laptop where i used it all the time, and it just crashed around
[19:54] <Getty> since months i only use amazin fire tv
[19:54] <Getty> years probably
[19:54] <Aristide> Yes, freebox run Android TV lol
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[19:56] <Domi> Hello does Raspbian work on every version of the raspberry pi?
[19:56] <Getty> yes?
[19:56] <Getty> if i remember right it existed before Noobs, or not? ;) someone might correct me
[19:57] <Aristide> Getty: http://i.imgur.com/35hHH4w.jpg On the left of printer :x
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[19:57] <Getty> aristide: wanna cry?
[19:57] <Aristide> You can :x
[19:58] <Getty> http://i.imgur.com/RWiIuup.jpg
[19:58] <Domi> what OS was used bevor Raspbian?
[19:58] <Getty> Domi: no idea ;) just imagine it was the first
[19:58] <Getty> Domi: why you ask?
[19:59] <Aristide> Getty: Ok :x
[19:59] <Aristide> Can i Cry ?
[19:59] <Aristide> I cry *
[20:00] <Aristide> Getty: But I have a Atari STE 1040 with Cubase
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[20:01] <Getty> artiside: ok, thats glorious ;)
[20:01] <Getty> artiside: wanna hear my MOD music? ;)
[20:01] <Getty> ok XM ;) i was too poor for MIDI
[20:01] <Aristide> XM <3
[20:01] <Aristide> On my Nintendo DS
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[20:02] <Aristide> With Nitrotracker (But I use LMMS now)
[20:02] <Getty> there was a XM editor for nintendo DS?
[20:02] <Aristide> Yes xD
[20:02] <Getty> crazy shit, i should have bought one ;)
[20:02] <Aristide> But you must use a Supercard like flashcard
[20:02] <Getty> those are all mods: https://soundcloud.com/getty/sets/pif
[20:02] <Aristide> Getty: Or, you can use LMMS (under Linux, free, and open source)
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[20:02] <Getty> well, these days i would go with more luxuries software ;)
[20:02] <Aristide> Work under Windows and MacOS :x
[20:03] <Getty> sad that Buzz never went further
[20:03] <Aristide> http://download.lazyone.fr/resources/sounds/musics/aristide/06%20-%20UNIMENSIAL%20Infiltration-11.ogg Getty if you want to listen my last music
[20:04] <Getty> Artiside: is that horror house music? ;)
[20:04] <Aristide> :)
[20:04] <Getty> btw i have the same SATA docking station, be careful, they suck ;)
[20:04] <Aristide> Use a Raspberry Pi with a Steem (NO steam, steem, a STE Emulator) with Cubase and Midi, can be fun
[20:05] <Getty> i have bought Cakewalk and Music Creator 6
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[20:05] <Getty> still not tried yet, but its on my todo
[20:06] <Getty> LOL i bought them 3 years ago 8-)
[20:06] <Aristide> I don't like to pay for make music x)
[20:06] <Getty> nice todo
[20:06] * Aristide use Linux on all computers at home
[20:06] <Getty> well software developer need to earn money
[20:06] <Getty> so i have no problem giving out some bucks
[20:06] <Getty> and steam makes it far too easy
[20:06] <Getty> those bastards
[20:06] <Aristide> No steam, STEEM
[20:06] <Getty> yeah but i mean steam ;)
[20:06] <Aristide> :D
[20:07] <Getty> i bought them on steam cause some offer
[20:07] <Getty> as usual
[20:07] <Getty> i have 95% games i never played
[20:08] <Getty> i actually just bought the star wars collection :-/
[20:08] <Getty> you know... special offer..... <sick>
[20:09] <needle> diederik: thanks for the hint. I have exctracted the .config already :)
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[21:15] <esr> Is there some way I can test whether I'm running on a 2 or a 3?
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[21:28] <plugwash> hmm, interesting question
[21:29] <esr> plugwash: I may have found an answer:
[21:29] <esr> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/
[21:31] <plugwash> mmm, that's one way, note that the revision code is now a bitfield
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[21:36] <plugwash> There is some C code to decode the revision number at https://github.com/AndrewFromMelbourne/raspberry_pi_revision
[21:37] <spiderkeys> Out of curiosity, are there official kernel header packages for raspbian yet? I know the mhiienka packages are out there and up to date, but I really don't know anything about who is maintaining that or what is really in them.
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[21:38] <plugwash> If you are talking about headers for the raspberry pi foundation kernels then afaict they don't provide a package yet :(
[21:38] <plugwash> I heard shiftplusone was working on it but I don't have an ETA
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[21:39] <spiderkeys> Ah good to know someone is on it. I've got to patch the UVC kernel module each time the kernel version updates for my application. I used to use the BBB, which has header deb packages provided; makes life much simplere on the continuous integration front
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[21:44] <ShorTie> esr you can do that with a couple lines in bash
[21:45] <ShorTie> ifeq ($(shell cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "Hardware" | cut -d " " -f2 | awk '{print$1}'),BCM2709)
[21:45] <ShorTie> determines a rpi2, then
[21:46] <ShorTie> ifeq ($(shell cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "Revision" | cut -d " " -f2 | awk '{print$1}'),a02082 a22082)
[21:46] <ShorTie> to see if it's a rpi3
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[21:48] <PaulFertser> Oh my, grep, cat, cut and awk all in one pipeline...
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[21:49] <PaulFertser> ShorTie: also, you cite a portion of a makefile, not bash.
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[21:50] <ShorTie> and shell because it's in a Makefile
[21:51] <PaulFertser> Instead of grep+cut+awk a sed oneliner would be way more elegant...
[21:52] <ShorTie> i'm not that hipe on sed .. :/~
[21:52] <spiderkeys> Oh, hey paul. Seeing you reminds me that I need to submit a pull request for the RPI3 OpenOCD constants. Completely forgot about that D:
[21:52] <PaulFertser> Well, awk alone would be sufficient too.
[21:53] <PaulFertser> spiderkeys: hey :)
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[21:57] <esr> ShorTie: I'm old-school enough to write it that way if I have to, but in 2016 I prefer to write such things in Python.
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[21:58] <ShorTie> and i'm even less hipe on the snake, lol.
[21:58] <spiderkeys> esr: You trying to programmatically look up rpi cpu/board info?
[21:59] <esr> spiderkeys: Yes, I'm writing a scrupt to customize a Pi into Statum 1 timeserver.
[21:59] <ShorTie> if your just checking for a rpi2 or rpi3, then you just need to check the Revision
[22:00] <esr> ShorTie: That's what I just coded.
[22:00] <spiderkeys> esr: if you aren't too disgusted by it, I've got some Node.js that does that: https://github.com/OpenROV-Dev/openrov-pal/blob/dev/platforms/raspi/cpu.js
[22:00] <ShorTie> both report as a BCM2709
[22:00] <spiderkeys> matches it to this json file I wrote up based on the wiki: https://github.com/OpenROV-Dev/openrov-pal/blob/dev/platforms/raspi/config/raspi-info.json
[22:00] <esr> spiderkeys: :-) Thanks but I have working Python now.
[22:02] <diederik> plugwash: there is a really old bitcoind package in the archive which probably shouldn't be there (in Debian it's only available on Sid)
[22:03] <plugwash> hmm
[22:04] <plugwash> it looks like it briefly migrated to Debian testing back in 2012 and got picked up by us
[22:05] <plugwash> then Debian kicked it out of testing again
[22:05] <diederik> yep, sounds plausable
[22:07] <ShorTie> spiderkeys, you need the a22082 rpi3
[22:07] <diederik> This is the relevant bug (other bitcoin packages have similar bugs): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718272
[22:07] <ShorTie> 02 is uk made, 22 is china made
[22:08] <spiderkeys> ShorTie: Ah, didn't realize there was another version
[22:08] <spiderkeys> Thanks for the heads up
[22:08] <plugwash> you should really be decoding the bitfields and not just using hardcoded values
[22:08] <plugwash> otherwise if/when a new PCB revision or a new vendor or whatever shows up your code will break
[22:10] <spiderkeys> That's a good thing, otherwise I wouldn't know there was a change! We will be getting all of our boards from one manufacturer, so it should always be the same
[22:13] <spiderkeys> Unfortunately, failing tests have been the primary method of detecting board revisions, since the manufacturers sometimes "forget" to let us know. Generally it doesn't end up mattering, but there were some real issues between revisions for the beaglebone blacks
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