#raspbian IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-05-10

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:23] <jernest> Apparently sudo apt-get install bluez does not match sudo apt-get source bluez on Raspbian (Bluez 5.23_2 latest) because the source does not have the 3 patches for 5.23_2+rp1 that the release version has, which is the difference in whether or not your internal BT on RPI3 works or not.
[0:23] <jernest> Even if you rpi-update the result is the same.
[0:24] <jernest> Compiling a new tarball of 5.39 or another version didn't work for the same reason because hciattach needs to be patched for the internal BT.
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[0:26] <jernest> I've been working on this problem for like 5 days and finally figured it out by looking at the diffs between the release and source.
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[0:26] <jernest> Now I can actually finally modify my Gatt server
[0:27] <plugwash> do you have a deb-src entry for the raspberry pi foundation repository?
[0:28] <jernest> This is the one I've got
[0:28] <jernest> deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free rpi
[0:29] <plugwash> Thats for the raspbian repository, not the rasperry pi foundation repository
[0:31] <plugwash> open /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list , add a corresponding deb-src entry and run apt-get update
[0:31] <plugwash> and you should be able to download the source packages (where they exist) for packages in the raspberry pi foundation repo
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[0:35] <jernest> well I got some crappy direction somewhere on a forum to add the deb-src going there, I'm new and not sure what's what.
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[0:38] <jernest> What's the corresponding deb-src entry?
[0:40] <plugwash> copy the line, change "deb" to "deb-src", leave the rest of the line alone
[0:40] <jernest> oh ok
[0:40] <jernest> well I did that in sources.list, did an update, got the package
[0:40] <jernest> And it doesn't have the patches to get to rpi1
[0:42] <jernest> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free rpi # Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source' deb-src http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free rpi
[0:42] <jernest> That's the whole thing
[0:43] <jernest> The first three of these patches here are applied in the release version of Bluez from apt-get.
[0:43] <jernest> https://gist.github.com/pelwell/c8230c48ea24698527cd
[0:43] <jernest> If those first 3 aren't applied, hciattach doesn't work, and thus your internal Bluetooth on the RPI3 doesn't work.
[0:44] <jernest> No matter if you rpi-update, or source compile a higher version of Bluez like 5.39.
[0:44] <jernest> At least that was my experience.
[0:44] <jernest> You'll get BD addr AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA if those patches aren't applied to hciattach.
[0:45] <jernest> Except those 3 patches don't seem to be carrying over in the source downloads anywhere unless you know of a better URL.
[0:46] <plugwash> In /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list you will find a deb entry for the raspberry pi foundation repository (NOT the raspbian repository)
[0:46] <plugwash> you need to add a corresponding deb-src line for that as I described
[0:47] <plugwash> (personally I hate sources.list.d because it causes a lot of confusion but for whatever reason the raspberry pi foundation decided to use it)
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[0:47] <jernest> This is what I have in mine
[0:47] <jernest> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui # Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source' #deb-src http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui
[0:47] <plugwash> hmm
[0:47] <jernest> It's just the archive except it's /debian/ I guess instead of /raspbian/
[0:48] <jernest> Yeah, that's a doozy.
[0:48] <jernest> I tried to google raspberry pi foundation deb-src and came up with nothing
[0:48] <plugwash> archive.raspberrypi.org != archive.raspbian.org
[0:48] <jernest> oh yeah
[0:48] <jernest> hah
[0:52] <jernest> ok thank you that actually did it I think
[0:52] <jernest> dpkg-source: info: applying 0050-bcm43xx-Add-bcm43xx-3wire-variant.patch dpkg-source: info: applying 0051-bcm43xx-The-UART-speed-must-be-reset-after-the-firmw.patch dpkg-source: info: applying 0052-Increase-firmware-load-timeout-to-30s.patch dpkg-source: info: applying 0053-Move-43xx-firmware-to-lib-firmware.patch
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[2:25] <lunarmage> hello, does the latest Raspbian use systemd?
[2:25] <lunarmage> I am downloading March 2016 lite
[2:25] <methuzla> yes
[2:26] <lunarmage> alright, thanks
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[5:39] <wbill> Could not exec dpkg! E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100)
[5:40] <wbill> has anyone got this error before im on a pi 3
[5:41] <wbill> i get it when i try to install any packages and then it "blows up" the machine i have to reboot to be able to use any commands or do anything
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[8:53] <Gerritjan> I have installed boost1.49-all-dev and im getting the error when i try to use #include <boost/asio/ssl.hpp> that it doesnt exist
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[8:59] <Gerritjan> question with Slackware ARM you can still program the pins?
[9:01] <Lartza> Gerritjan, Are you still on wheezy?
[9:01] <Lartza> That include should work just fine, but just wondering
[9:02] <Gerritjan> tell me what do you want to know :D
[9:03] <Lartza> Why libboost 1.49? jessie should have 1.55
[9:03] <Gerritjan> well its not working either with 1.55 the ssl part it doesnt exist
[9:03] <Lartza> also is the error exactly that that doesn't exist?
[9:03] <Gerritjan> yes
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[9:04] <Gerritjan> Cannot find include file <boost/asio/ssl.hpp>.
[9:04] <Lartza> Do you have /usr/include/boost/asio/ssl.hpp ?
[9:04] <Gerritjan> yes
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[9:04] <Gerritjan> and the strange part is when i try to use it in netbeans and press crtl+space it give the right info
[9:05] <Lartza> Maybe your project settings are wrong
[9:05] <Lartza> Wrong includes or something
[9:05] <Gerritjan> no thats the problem i did install the same boost on ubuntu server and did compile it with that and there was no problem
[9:07] <Lartza> Does g++ give you the same error?
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[9:08] <Gerritjan> http://pastebin.com/T3nxUcCx
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[9:14] <Gerritjan> Lartza: did you see the errors
[9:14] <Lartza> Gerritjan, Yeah, I guess you want to use use_tmp_dh_file
[9:14] <Gerritjan> yes
[9:15] <Gerritjan> well i do want to create a ssl server :D
[9:15] <Lartza> use_temp_dh is not in 1.49 but even if it was it doesn't take a filename as an argument
[9:15] <Gerritjan> with boost :D
[9:15] <Gerritjan> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_54_0/doc/html/boost_asio/example/cpp03/ssl/server.cpp
[9:15] <Lartza> Yeah?
[9:15] <Lartza> What about that
[9:16] <Gerritjan> thats the tut im using :D
[9:16] <Lartza> Well even there the code is different
[9:16] <Lartza> Fix your code
[9:16] <Lartza> use_tmp_dh != use_tmp_dh_file
[9:17] <Gerritjan> :( okw did changed it
[9:18] <Gerritjan> oke problem solved :S
[9:18] <Gerritjan> :)
[9:18] <Gerritjan> Lartza: Your imba :D
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[10:24] <Gerritjan> how can i get the http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org and the pool dir in apt-get?
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[11:46] <raybangs> hi lads
[11:47] <raybangs> anyone have any experience with using raspbian through an authenticated proxy?
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[12:03] <raybangs> so no one has used their pi's through an authed proxy?
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[14:52] <AppAraat> hi, I was wondering whether Samba is required for setting up a RPi print server. According to this guide it isn't - http://www.raspberry-pi-geek.com/Archive/2013/01/Converting-the-Raspberry-Pi-to-a-wireless-print-server - but according to this guide it is - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-wireless-printer-raspberry-pi/
[14:53] <AppAraat> the environment has windows computers, some mac and well, I'm the only guy here with linux so I guess linux too.
[14:53] <AppAraat> but I rarely print on dead trees
[14:56] <methuzla> but you type with dead dinosaurs
[14:56] <AppAraat> yeah, but at least I can blame that on giant rocks from space.
[14:57] <thurstylark> Huh. didn't know that Windows could print to a cups server...
[15:01] <thurstylark> AppAraat: that seems to be the main difference between the guides. The first uses just cups, and has windows print to it directly (which I have never tested but would be interested to know if it works), and the 2nd uses cups for linux and OSX (i think) and supplements this with samba for windows.
[15:02] <thurstylark> idk about needing to install samba first, though.
[15:02] <thurstylark> that seems like a dubious claim, and there's no explanation.
[15:02] <AppAraat> ah ok, so samba for windows clients is the path of least headache?
[15:02] <twolife> AppAraat: you can print directly from ms-windows to a CUPS based server. Samba add some "cool feature" like "Point'n'Print" (automatic driver installation on the windows client). if there is << 10 people involved, i wouldn't spend time on that & i would just manually install the drivers on people's computer & use CUPS directly
[15:02] <thurstylark> AppAraat: in my opinion, yes.
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[15:03] <thurstylark> for those reasons
[15:03] <thurstylark> :P
[15:04] <thurstylark> but if you don't want samba on your pi (which I definitely wouldn't) cups should be fine, then.
[15:04] <AppAraat> oh, is samba such a pain to configure, even for this simple scenario?
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[15:07] <thurstylark> AppAraat: it's ...multifaceted. imo, hard to get my head around, not very useful unless you have a windows client that demands it, and really easy to mess up.
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[15:13] <wbill> can you do an fsck on raspberry? or somethig similar????
[15:14] <thurstylark> wbill: yes. What are you having troubles with?
[15:14] <wbill> sorry raspbian
[15:15] <wbill> it was not load the journal file seemed like the filesystem or card was corrupt
[15:15] <wbill> should i use NOOBS or just install the image
[15:16] <wbill> i wanted like triple boot between openelec though
[15:16] <wbill> i hd everything up and running and it got failed(s) whe nit came to the filesytem
[15:16] <thurstylark> the "nit"?
[15:17] <wbill> after i installed like 1000 things
[15:17] <wbill> when it
[15:17] <thurstylark> oh
[15:17] <thurstylark> gotcha :P
[15:17] <thurstylark> wbill: did you expand the filesystem? You may have just run out of space.
[15:18] <wbill> i then tried to change the id to a different one by adding one thatmirroed perms of pi
[15:18] <wbill> no just the base install and it was only about 50 % full i have a 32 GB acrd
[15:19] <wbill> i logged into the id and the n when i rebooted it failed all over the place even froma cold boot
[15:19] <thurstylark> wbill: if you just imaged without expanding the fs, then you still might be running out of space. the image comes with a shrunk fs so that it can fit on a large range of cards.
[15:20] <thurstylark> you have to expand the fs to take advantage of the rest of your sdcard.
[15:20] <wbill> df -k will tell me if it is right?
[15:20] <wbill> but how do i get back so i can tell or fsck it?
[15:21] <thurstylark> wbill: I would use another linux computer if you have one.
[15:21] * thurstylark uses linux pretty exclusively, so that's my first try on everything :P
[15:22] <wbill> is there a guide its 2 late now i got mad and just did a reinstall or my minion(s) did cause i said go ahead just was wondering if there was a guide i need to follow before i start pumping it full of packages and before i even put it on the ineternet for security reasons
[15:23] <thurstylark> wbill: run sudo raspi-config, and there's an option for expanding the fs.
[15:23] <wbill> to login im on a mac useterminal like i was born in it
[15:23] <wbill> how do i get to a prompt ?
[15:24] <wbill> if it fails starting up
[15:24] <wbill> take the card out and use a linux lke box to mount it?
[15:25] <thurstylark> wbill: as it stands now? I'd suggest just reimaging it. OSX can't mount ext4, and you wouldn't have the right tools to work with it anyways.
[15:26] <wbill> oh duh i have my mac triple booted withubuntu linux and wondows also
[15:26] <wbill> keep forgetting that
[15:26] <wbill> linux mounts ext4
[15:27] <wbill> im reimaging just curious if it happens again if there was a good tutorial or what to do at this point
[15:27] <wbill> andi appreaciate any help
[15:27] <thurstylark> wbill: np :)
[15:27] <wbill> and im reimaging using noobs if you think thats ok
[15:28] <thurstylark> whatever floats your goat :P
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[15:29] <wbill> ok so do you or anyone have a preference wether to install with noobs or an image???
[15:29] <methuzla> image
[15:30] <thurstylark> Yeah, if you know you want raspbian, why mess with noobs? :P
[15:31] <wbill> ok got a website thatwoud work for the image istall im new be gentle pls ...lol
[15:32] <thurstylark> wbill: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[15:32] <wbill> ok also should i change the pi user to something else and delete it? for security reasons etc...???
[15:33] <thurstylark> wbill: At the very least change the password if you plan to make it availible publicly.
[15:34] <thurstylark> otherwise, no reason to bother.
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[15:36] <AppAraat> hmm, I guess I'll try doing this without samba then, thanks :)
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[15:42] <wbill> ok if i delete pi do you rhink it wll causeissues
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[15:46] <thurstylark> wbill: what do you mean by delete pi?
[15:46] <wbill> im about to delete user pi anyone think i should not???
[15:47] <wbill> im doing this
[15:47] <wbill> sudo useradd -m -G adm,dialout,cdrom,sudo,audio,video,plugdev,games,users,netdev,input,spi,gpio USERNAME
[15:47] <wbill> to replace user pi
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[15:47] <wbill> does that sound like it will cause issues
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[15:47] <thurstylark> oh, delete the user.
[15:47] <wbill> yupper
[15:48] <thurstylark> Haven't tried, but I'd be interested to know what you find out :D
[15:48] <wbill> ok ill let you know
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[15:49] <wbill> thanks again for the help thurstylark
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[15:49] <thurstylark> np :)
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[17:38] <three_legs> soo
[17:38] <three_legs> what's with the raspbian images on the pi 3 b
[17:39] <three_legs> there is like 20 different errors
[17:39] <three_legs> apt doesn't work
[17:39] <three_legs> if i were a new user i would freak out
[17:40] <HerculeP> latest img from march 18th worked like a charme here
[17:40] <HerculeP> w/o any issues
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[17:41] <three_legs> hmm weird
[17:41] <three_legs> i'll try again
[17:43] <HerculeP> three_legs: don't forget to expand the filesystem
[17:43] <methuzla> ^that
[17:44] <three_legs> I got an error while trying to
[17:44] <three_legs> does the expand fs script no longer work ?
[17:45] <HerculeP> su raspi-config , 1st option
[17:45] <HerculeP> sudo*
[17:45] <three_legs> yes that's what i did first thing
[17:46] <three_legs> got an error while it was running
[17:46] <three_legs> i'm going to try re installing the img
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[17:49] <ekarlso> hey guys, what screw size fits for the rpi B+ 1.2 ?
[17:51] <methuzla> the four mounting holes are for M2.5
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[17:55] <ekarlso> i've tried m2.5 I think methuzla (standard screws that are used in computers (atx) ?
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[17:56] <Lartza> standard pc screws are M3
[17:58] <ekarlso> ah
[17:58] <Lartza> Or rather, HDD and such screws
[17:58] <Lartza> I think case screws and disc drive screws are different
[17:58] <Lartza> But none are M2.5 :)
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[17:59] <methuzla> whatever it is, if it doesn't fit, it's not M2.5
[17:59] <Lartza> That's extremely true :P
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[18:11] <Robin_Watts> Hi all.
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[18:12] <Robin_Watts> Possibly a strange question here. I've got a Raspberry pi, running a pretty recent version of Raspbian. By default this will use hardware floating point, right?
[18:12] <Robin_Watts> Can I tickle it into using software floating point for a particular program I want to build?
[18:12] <Lartza> Why would you need that?
[18:13] <Robin_Watts> The reason behind this is that we have performance numbers for MuPDF and Ghostscript running on the Pi, using the hardware FP.
[18:13] <Robin_Watts> We have customers that want to know how it performs on chips without FP.
[18:13] <Robin_Watts> So being able to generate a set of numbers on the same hardware just using the software libs would be a useful result.
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[18:18] <Lartza> Well the answer to being able to use softfloat is, I think so :P
[18:18] <Lartza> Though the libraries it would use would still be hardfloat I'd imagine so it wouldn't be a completely good test
[18:18] <Robin_Watts> When I try to build using -msoft-float, I am told that gnu/stubs-soft.h does not exist.
[18:19] <Robin_Watts> The libraries are not an issue as I'd be using my own libs rather than system libs.
[18:19] <Lartza> Oh yeah, it might not be possible without rebuilding some system libs as softfloat too
[18:19] <Lartza> No but stuff like, libc that you pretty much always use :P
[18:19] <Lartza> standard libraries
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[18:20] <Robin_Watts> Just trying to think if we ever use libc for float... :)
[18:20] <Lartza> Someone else will probably have better knowledge of this than I
[18:20] <Robin_Watts> We do our own atof etc anyway.
[18:21] <Robin_Watts> Possibly a way to do this is to find a very early Raspbian image that didn't have hardware fp support and just use that :)
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[18:40] <kollaesch> hi
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[18:43] <kollaesch> I got a recent problem with my RaspberryPi2 (Rasbian )
[18:44] <kollaesch> I froze a couple of days ago. Since then approx. 3min after reboot the cpu-load is at 100%. (because of processes kswapd0 and dphys-swapfile)
[18:45] <kollaesch> ideas / approaches?
[18:45] <kollaesch> thanks in advance
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[18:59] <DroYeR> Hi, can someone help me?
[18:59] <kollaesch> `sudo service dphys-swapfile status` reports 6000+ rows of ‚/bin/sh /sbin/dphys-swapfile setup‘
[18:59] <Lartza> DroYeR, Ask don't ask to ask :)
[18:59] <DroYeR> install raspbian in 32gb and enter ssh something I have a little space on the 32gb?
[18:59] <DroYeR> :((
[19:00] <Lartza> I think raspi-config has an expand filesystem option
[19:01] <DroYeR> as I can do it for ssh? I can not do anything, not update anything
[19:01] <DroYeR> /dev/root 3747352 3492872 44408 99% /
[19:01] <DroYeR> :/
[19:01] <Lartza> Ohh
[19:01] <DroYeR> only debian
[19:01] <DroYeR> :/
[19:02] <DroYeR> impossible, I need more than half to work, as I can configure
[19:02] <DroYeR> ssh :`(
[19:03] <Lartza> What did you do after install?
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[19:03] <Lartza> It shouldn't be like that
[19:03] <DroYeR> I always walk through ssh and
[19:04] <DroYeR> I always walk through ssh and then apt-get update
[19:04] <HerculeP> 1st step should be expand filesystem
[19:04] <Lartza> Why...
[19:04] <DroYeR> it seems impossible that debian linux that take up little pass this
[19:05] <Lartza> Yeah that partition is only 3GB not 32
[19:05] <Lartza> So you haven't expanded I guess
[19:05] <Lartza> Or I am wrong
[19:05] <Lartza> also why is it /dev/root and not /dev/mmcblk0p*
[19:05] <DroYeR> no, not how to do that
[19:06] <Lartza> raspi-config
[19:06] <DroYeR> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[19:06] <DroYeR> /dev/root 3747352 3492872 44408 99% /
[19:06] <DroYeR> devtmpfs 469688 0 469688 0% /dev
[19:06] <DroYeR> tmpfs 474008 0 474008 0% /dev/shm
[19:06] <DroYeR> tmpfs 474008 18264 455744 4% /run
[19:06] <DroYeR> tmpfs 5120 4 5116 1% /run/lock
[19:06] <DroYeR> tmpfs 474008 0 474008 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[19:06] <DroYeR> /dev/mmcblk0p1 61384 20416 40968 34% /boot
[19:06] <thurstylark> ayikes
[19:06] <DroYeR> tmpfs 94804 0 94804 0% /run/user/1000
[19:06] <DroYeR> ssh ?
[19:06] <HerculeP> sudo raspi-config, 1st option
[19:06] <DroYeR> ok
[19:07] <Lartza> apt-get shouldn't fill 3GB though, not sure why it does
[19:07] <DroYeR> what else
[19:07] <DroYeR> 0 About raspi-config Information about this configuration tool ?
[19:08] <Lartza> [22:00:19] <Lartza> I think raspi-config has an expand filesystem option
[19:08] <Lartza> [22:06:34] <HerculeP> sudo raspi-config, 1st option
[19:09] <thurstylark> this is like the 3rd expanded filesystem issue today -_-
[19:09] <DroYeR> I'm already inside raspi-config sudo
[19:09] <Lartza> DroYeR, And you've been told multiple times what to pick there
[19:10] <DroYeR> Root partition has been resized. │
[19:10] <DroYeR> │ The filesystem will be enlarged upon the next reboot
[19:10] <DroYeR> sorry I speak little English
[19:10] <ShorTie> might want to run 'apt-get clean' to get a little more free space
[19:10] <DroYeR> :(
[19:11] <DroYeR> after that I will restart
[19:12] <DroYeR> /dev/root 30646804 3495816 25850424 12% /
[19:12] <DroYeR> :****
[19:12] <DroYeR> thanks thanks thanks thanks
[19:13] <Lartza> No problem
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[19:14] <kollaesch> any ideas on my swap-problem ?
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[19:16] <Lartza> Not really no, I googled it a bit and people seemed to have that same problem though
[19:16] <Lartza> Even on regular computers not just the Pi, and different distros too
[19:16] <Lartza> So good luck :P
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[19:16] <ShorTie> you could zero out the swap file size and reboot
[19:17] <ShorTie> might help, but it's more like file corruption and time for a wipe-n-reload
[19:17] <Lartza> Yeah since it happened after a freeze it really does point to corruption
[19:17] <Lartza> The good old Windows way of fixing things, reinstalling :P
[19:19] <ShorTie> and then get a better power supply and/or cable
[19:19] <kollaesch> not prefered, but thanks !
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[19:20] <kollaesch> well - was a fixed set (power supply)
[19:20] <kollaesch> my immediate fix: sudo systemctl disable dphys-swapfile
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[19:21] <kollaesch> and reboot => runs smooth for now
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[19:23] <ShorTie> you can probily put it back to 100 now
[19:24] <kollaesch> looked like a nasty self-caused problem
[19:25] <kollaesch> the first and only line in the config appeared to be wrong
[19:26] <kollaesch> was: CONF_SWAPSIZE=1024 dphys-swapfile setup
[19:26] <kollaesch> now: CONF_SWAPSIZE=1024
[19:27] <kollaesch> restarted the service => fixed
[19:28] <ShorTie> 1024 is kinda big, it's normally like 100
[19:28] <kollaesch> well as I remembered from my old linux days: RAM = swapfilesize ?!
[19:29] <Lartza> That's not really true nowadays
[19:29] <kollaesch> ok, so 100 is correct even if mysqld is running ?!
[19:29] <Lartza> And swapping on RPi isn't that good of an idea at all usually, since it will just kill the SD card and be extremely slow in the process
[19:29] <Lartza> Mysql runs fine even on 512MB systems
[19:30] <Lartza> And 100 is not any standard
[19:30] <kollaesch> my rasbian runs on a usb-stick (not the sd-card) :)
[19:31] <Lartza> Well that won't be much better but at least won't die as soon
[19:31] <Lartza> It's not much faster usually
[19:32] <kollaesch> correct - but I use a usb-3.0-stick - there still bit better (did my research) - bottleneck is the usb-2.0-hub
[19:32] <ShorTie> standard as in that is what the foundation sets it too..
[19:32] <Lartza> The Pi doesn't support USB3
[19:32] <Lartza> ShorTie, Well I guess there's that :P
[19:33] <kollaesch> usb3 - i know. - but the throughput with an usb3-stick (limited to 2.0) is still better
[19:33] <kollaesch> but no need to discuss this here
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[19:34] <kollaesch> ShorTie: Thanks !
[19:37] <Hootch> which usb type will supported by pi3?
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[19:39] <ShorTie> pi's are usb2
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[19:46] <kollaesch> thanks again & bye
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[20:44] <elastix> hi how can I use java in the epiphany browser?
[20:48] <elastix> ?
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[20:51] <Lartza> elastix, icedtea-7-plugin
[20:51] <elastix> java 8
[20:51] <Lartza> is there java 8 for jessie?
[20:52] <Lartza> if so then I guess icedtea-8-plugin
[20:52] <elastix> I'm using oracle java
[20:53] <Lartza> You can switch pretty easily though...
[20:53] <elastix> should I install also openjdk-7?
[20:54] <Lartza> It should pull that automatically but yes, openjdk-7-jre
[20:55] <Lartza> How did you even install Oracle Java?
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[20:57] <elastix> download the package from oracle
[20:58] <Lartza> mhh...
[20:58] <Lartza> The oracle java has it's own plugin that comes with the package
[20:58] <elastix> ok and how can I use it with epiphany?
[20:58] <Lartza> It won't be available if you just randomly get the binaries from oracle...
[20:59] <Lartza> That's why you have apt-get
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[21:00] <Lartza> And Oracle wanted to be a bit of a d*** and changed their licenses so that's why you don't have Oracle Java in Linux anymore but OpenJDK
[21:03] <elastix> so is it not possible?
[21:04] <Lartza> Is there a reason you can't use openjdk?
[21:04] <Lartza> I don't know if java-package works on arm or includes the browser plugin
[21:05] <elastix> ok
[21:05] <elastix> I'm trying to install openjdk
[21:06] <elastix> another question.... this is more related to the raspberry pi
[21:06] <elastix> I bought a pi3 and sometimes I 've notice with raspbian mainly this issue.... I can't run any command from shell and the gui became broke
[21:06] <elastix> I don't know why this happen,.... is it maybe a bug?
[21:07] <Lartza> It freezes or what?
[21:08] <elastix> ls command not found
[21:08] <elastix> df command not found
[21:09] <elastix> reboot command not found
[21:09] <elastix> I need to hard reset the pi3
[21:09] <elastix> I can't understand if it's an issue of raspbian or my sdcard or of the pi3
[21:10] <elastix> I've checked the sdcard and it hasn't any block damaeged
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[21:11] <Lartza> I don't know really, there are multiple things that can do that but nothing that should happen just on it's own
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[21:16] <elastix> on it's own ???
[21:16] <elastix> what do you mean?
[21:18] <Lartza> It shouldn't just happen
[21:18] <Lartza> And there are too many possible reasons to determina a cause for that immediately
[21:19] <Lartza> And it's weird if it only happens some time after boot
[21:19] <Lartza> Since it sounds like you are overwriting PATH or something like that
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[21:20] <plugwash> diederik, I just uploaded A debian-style 4.4 kernel, note that this needs newer firmware than is currently packaged, I won't change what linux-image-rpi*-rpfv points at until that is resolved
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[23:05] <ThisGuy445> Hey! How do I get a service to start with appropriate permissions (as root?) on startup? Having trouble with DNSmasq and nm-applet
[23:06] <ThisGuy445> sudo service dnsmasq restart has to be performed before my pi passes DNS requests forward.
[23:06] <thurstylark> ThisGuy445: systemctl enable dnsmasq
[23:07] <ThisGuy445> ok cool ty I'll give it a try - I'm a bit of a noob :)
[23:08] <thurstylark> np. :)
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